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[Smoothy]

So when I say free I mean free. When I say paid, I mean no more than 1200 baht LT.

Like anyone else, I can get plenty of free or cheap girls. Unfortunately, I like my girls to be good looking. Like top 2 or 3 girls in a top gogo good looking. Life is too short to be shagging mediocre poontang. We all have different priorities.

I will shag the occasional midget or unique wild looking girl just to change things up. haha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVp_y5dvd9w

[Kickoffs]

Why is it that some guys believe every woman in particular countires are on the take? Or is it that they believe since they can not get a woman to sleep with them that does not want money then it means no man can get a woman to sleep with them that does not want money? Since I got here last Friday I have fucked 3 paid women and 5 non-paid women. One of the unpaid women is new to me and works at Central Festival and stayed over 2 different night. Another unpaid woman I have been fucking over 2 years and she always sees me with other women on my bike. Spent the night at her place last night and she cooked for me.

What is the point of your post? While I had freebies in Thailand as well and didn't take the same approach as the person you replied too, I can understand why he would offer money. Some guys offer to pay money to get rid of the girl. Your specific experiences are all too common and not worth mentioning. Why is it that some guys have to take the opportunity to brag about a sex buddy that is all to common with men in their own countries?

[Rohanpi1980]

Hi guys,

Long time lurker, first time poster. I've mongered in Bangkok before and this forum has been very helpful. Quick question for this time. Are the girls at the pimp (assuming they agree to go home with you) prettier than the ones at the top escort agencies? Assuming money is not an issue and I want to bring back a super pretty, sexy girl (yes possible starfish, I know. Its a last trip before settling down for me), would Pimp be a best option?

Realize beauty is in the eye of the beholder, etc but on average what would my best option be?

[Franciscass]

Well I met her on Tagged. I am only 47 no, so when I am 60+ it may be a totally different ballgame.

My forties were a different trip. Wasn't living here then but I never paid for pussy wherever I laid my hat and I had all I could handle and with cuties. Enjoy it while you can MR. E. It will begin to cost more as you hit the fifties even more still when you hit the sixties and well if you survive as I'm expecting to I imagine the seventies will be a seriously out of pocket experience not to mention an out of body experience.

[EihTooms]

... Maybe you aversion relates to getting BBFS, but I don't see that as a huge problem.

That is only partially it. But that part of it is bad enough. My approach is to get an upfront agreement from the girl to provide BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM. Getting a massage shop girl to agree upfront to BBFS+CIP is essentially impossible when the girls are clustered in a group, standing in a line up or anywhere near another human being other than me and her. So that leaves BBBJ+CIM, something easier to get an upfront agreement for since it is sometimes on the menu, with the possibility of evolving it into BBFS+CIP while "going with the flow to see what happens in the room". That will be fine the 20% of the time the girl might agree to BBFS+CIP in the room. But it is a huge buzz kill the 80% of the time she will not. Btw, I am being very generous with that 20% success rate with me and massage shop girls (in the shop). My experience has been they are on Auto Pilot not only in the way they have sex but their replies to any and all such requests. And the Auto Pilot response to me much, much more often than not is No.

So, let's say I do get an upfront agreement for a BBBJ+CIM, she is in the 80% no go for BBFS+CIP group, but a BBBJ+CIM is going to be fine with me anyway, right? Probably not. If I walk in the room or I check out the room ahead of time and there is only a bed and a floor or, worse, a table and a floor, I'm out. I need a much more comfortable arrangement than that for a pleasurable blowjob. The kind of simple set up I have in my apartment and one I have not seen in any massage shop anywhere in Thailand.

And even when I have reluctantly gone along with a blowjob in a massage shop, I have never had one with an iota of eroticism or sexiness applied to it. Without exception they have been mechanical and too fast, too robotic and the girl is utterly incapable of following simple instructions (thanks to Auto Pilot) that most girls NOT working in a massage shop seem to have no problem following.

Even when I get a click of Interest from massage shop girls on the dating sites, freelancing on the side or whatever, I can bet big money it will either be NO to both of my requirements or some of the worst, mechanical, robotic, unerotic sex I have ever had.

[CzarNicholas]

I don't see why one has to build strong aversions unless it to ladyboys or gay men. I am prepared to use an MP because I need a fuck to be all done and dusted in 90 minutes, no time wastage, or if in even more hurry would consider a BJ shop.

The girl still has to be a sexy pretty girl of a good standard. Maybe you aversion relates to getting BBFS, but I don't see that as a huge problem. Skinny and cute will do me. My last two regulars are 45 Kg at 165 cm and 48 Kg at 168 cm so that shows I really like slim.

I may have contempt for MP management sometimes, but I don't let that bother me too much. I can dislike a shop but still like a girl there. One of my skinny regulars is an ex MP girl (used to be in Orient). Don't see any reason to cut that source off even if is not my usual, and even I am not after pure filth or anal, etc.

Go to AC LOL.

You can find 30 kg LOL.

Seriously, 18-19 yo 30 kg 4 feet tall, its crazy.

My theory is, severe pre-natal malnourished.

I did about 50 of them in my visit.

It was interesting (true spinners), but got boring after awhile.

[Syzygies]

And that is only because I have such an aversion to the massage shop scene I don't meet many massage shop girls unless one clicks on my dating site profile.

I don't see why one has to build strong aversions unless it to ladyboys or gay men. I am prepared to use an MP because I need a fuck to be all done and dusted in 90 minutes, no time wastage, or if in even more hurry would consider a BJ shop.

The girl still has to be a sexy pretty girl of a good standard. Maybe you aversion relates to getting BBFS, but I don't see that as a huge problem. Skinny and cute will do me. My last two regulars are 45 Kg at 165 cm and 48 Kg at 168 cm so that shows I really like slim.

I may have contempt for MP management sometimes, but I don't let that bother me too much. I can dislike a shop but still like a girl there. One of my skinny regulars is an ex MP girl (used to be in Orient). Don't see any reason to cut that source off even if is not my usual, and even I am not after pure filth or anal, etc.

[Mr Enternational]

I don't find any of those scenarios hard to believe. I have experienced much the same in Bangkok except for the massage shop girl part. And that is only because I have such an aversion to the massage shop scene I don't meet many massage shop girls unless one clicks on my dating site profile.

Well I met her on Tagged. I am only 47 no, so when I am 60+ it may be a totally different ballgame.

[EihTooms]

I never run into those kind of problems with free chicks. So when I say free I mean free. I don't mean buying them gifts or non of that shit. Maybe we will get something to eat together or go see a movie together and I will pay. But no money or gifts are coming from me and going to them.

The last couple of days I have been seeing a massage chick. Things are really slow for them so she will leave work and come to my place for a couple of hours. She pays a motorbike to bring her here. The first day I took her back. Yesterday when I was about to take her back she said no because she was going to Jomtien for something. She did not ask money for transportation there.

Well she is 26 with no kids and cute enough for me! The only thing ahe wanted from me was to take her to dinner in Jomtien because sbe had never been there. So I took her to that seafood place right before the end. The bill was 1200 baht. 800 baht for me and 400 baht for her. She has her own motorbike so she comes and goes on that.

Other free chick is from Bangkok. I met her in March when they had that beach soccer championship here in Pattaya. She was a translator for the officials. She came to stay with me everyday when she finished work. This time when I arrived she was already in town for some other translator gig and was staying at the Avina (old Marriott). She came to get some dick while her boss was in a meeting. She went back in less than an hour. Now she said they are in Sattahip.

One of the new free chicks was not my type so I will not be seeing her again.

So when I say free I mean free. When I say paid, I mean no more than 1200 baht LT.

I don't find any of those scenarios hard to believe. I have experienced much the same in Bangkok except for the massage shop girl part. And that is only because I have such an aversion to the massage shop scene I don't meet many massage shop girls unless one clicks on my dating site profile. And in Bangkok I will volunteer to pick up the tab for transportation, 200-300 baht, when it comes to the "free" stuff. If I am seeing them long enough I would buy a gift for a supposed birthday or whatever special event.

Maybe I see that as the "60+ year old farang who only accepts BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM" surcharge. LOL.

[Mr Enternational]

Do you ever offer to pay your "free" ladies the cost of their transportation to and from your apartment or to help pay some of their rent when they come up short?

I never run into those kind of problems with free chicks. So when I say free I mean free. I don't mean buying them gifts or non of that shit. Maybe we will get something to eat together or go see a movie together and I will pay. But no money or gifts are coming from me and going to them.

The last couple of days I have been seeing a massage chick. Things are really slow for them so she will leave work and come to my place for a couple of hours. She pays a motorbike to bring her here. The first day I took her back. Yesterday when I was about to take her back she said no because she was going to Jomtien for something. She did not ask money for transportation there.

And, BTW, are you saying the Central Festival lady and the others qualify as the cute/attractive young girls Franciscass and I were referencing?

Well she is 26 with no kids and cute enough for me! The only thing ahe wanted from me was to take her to dinner in Jomtien because sbe had never been there. So I took her to that seafood place right before the end. The bill was 1200 baht. 800 baht for me and 400 baht for her. She has her own motorbike so she comes and goes on that.

Other free chick is from Bangkok. I met her in March when they had that beach soccer championship here in Pattaya. She was a translator for the officials. She came to stay with me everyday when she finished work. This time when I arrived she was already in town for some other translator gig and was staying at the Avina (old Marriott). She came to get some dick while her boss was in a meeting. She went back in less than an hour. Now she said they are in Sattahip.

One of the new free chicks was not my type so I will not be seeing her again.

So when I say free I mean free. When I say paid, I mean no more than 1200 baht LT.

[Franciscass]

Sorry, I am just catching up with this one.

As I said in my post, in my experience females are virtually always looking for "something in it for them". It usually comes down to something resembling money; security, support, a home, companionship that is very much about sex, companionship that is rarely about sex, whatever. My 22 year old current regular girlfriend first clicked Interested in me on ThaiCupid when she was still 19 even though the desired age range she cited on her profile was 20-35.

Why must those be the only two options available to attractive young girls? I have no doubt the 2-3 rare girls I mentioned encountering could easily get farang men closer to their own age to date and fuck them. Some people like to experiment with everything within reason. Just as I know a very good looking 27 year old man who lives half the year in Thailand who is always on the look out to shag an older lady, even in her 50's if she has kept herself in good shape and has enough charm about her.

However, as I also mentioned in my original post, it would not be nearly so easy for them to date THAI men closer to their own age (or any age for that matter) for the reasons I cited. So that reality does move 60 year old farangs a bit higher on the available options ladder..

E. T,

You sure appear to have whatever it takes using social media to get these dates. You have genuinely awakened my envy and more to the point my curiosity so all I need now is a pic that shows me looking my best and a profile so attractive it will be like moths to the flame. Got to go and download the app.

[EihTooms]

Why is it that some guys believe every woman in particular countires are on the take? Or is it that they believe since they can not get a woman to sleep with them that does not want money then it means no man can get a woman to sleep with them that does not want money? Since I got here last Friday I have fucked 3 paid women and 5 non-paid women. One of the unpaid women is new to me and works at Central Festival and stayed over 2 different night. Another unpaid woman I have been fucking over 2 years and she always sees me with other women on my bike. Spent the night at her place last night and she cooked for me.

I don't assume regular girls I meet are on the take. But it does come up a lot. Eventually. They would say they are not on the take but just came up short on rent or phone bill this week. LOL. I go along with it until the Value For Money begins to tilt away from the Value part. Still less costly than a LT with a go-go dancer. Except for the free LT CzarNicholas reported getting from a Butterflies go-go dancer a few days ago, that is. But they have happened on occasion, too.

Pattaya is a pretty small and easily navigable town vs Bangkok. I would say the cost of living is lower for most Thais vs Bangkok, too. Do you ever offer to pay your "free" ladies the cost of their transportation to and from your apartment or to help pay some of their rent when they come up short? In Bangkok, taxi (after BTS/MRT close or if there is no practical BTS/MRT option and a bus would take forever) could easily get close to 400-500 baht for the round trip from where some of these girls live.

And, BTW, are you saying the Central Festival lady and the others qualify as the cute/attractive young girls Franciscass and I were referencing? Could be an Apples and Oranges comparison here.

Even in Bangkok I believe it would be very easy for me (and most other dudes) to fill my weeks with ladies coming over to stay overnight or two or three for free if I invited mostly mid-late 30s or older ones who really have very little options other than me or the toy.

[Syzygies]

As I said in my post, in my experience females are virtually always looking for "something in it for them". It usually comes down to something resembling money; security, support, a home, companionship that is very much about sex, companionship that is rarely about sex, whatever.

Most of my girls of more than 20 years age gap, must have been for economic reasons at least initially. It can change. Could be an exception. Some girls really prefer older guys. Maybe they think we will be less selfish and try harder to look after them like a princess. They may value our extra experience. My low 30's girl today got 3 pops so my age is not exactly worrying her, as long as I can manage a long session (even if I needed a booster) and give good DATY. I was going to write something else detailed but thought best to omit it as would make me too identifiable, should she be reading the forum. Postponed.

[Mr Enternational]

And I would volunteer to give money without being asked to every lady I meet who does not mention money upfront if it weren't for the fact that there have been several cases where the girl got very upset and stormed out, never to date or fuck me again, because I "think all Thai ladies are the same! I am not lady bar!" LOL. Yes, that has even happened with young cute girls I have met outside the direct P4P scene here.

Why is it that some guys believe every woman in particular countires are on the take? Or is it that they believe since they can not get a woman to sleep with them that does not want money then it means no man can get a woman to sleep with them that does not want money? Since I got here last Friday I have fucked 3 paid women and 5 non-paid women. One of the unpaid women is new to me and works at Central Festival and stayed over 2 different night. Another unpaid woman I have been fucking over 2 years and she always sees me with other women on my bike. Spent the night at her place last night and she cooked for me.

[EihTooms]

Sorry, I am just catching up with this one.

Actually ET whether she is 20 or 28 doesn't make a lot of difference in my failing to understand why they sleep with a sixty year old unless it is for the money.

I sometimes with nothing better to do peruse genuine international dating sites and I have rarely if ever seen a girl in her twenties or indeed thirties indicate she is happy meeting up with men 30 to 40 years older than her.

As I said in my post, in my experience females are virtually always looking for "something in it for them". It usually comes down to something resembling money; security, support, a home, companionship that is very much about sex, companionship that is rarely about sex, whatever. My 22 year old current regular girlfriend first clicked Interested in me on ThaiCupid when she was still 19 even though the desired age range she cited on her profile was 20-35.

I am also for the sake of the conversation talking about attractive girls who are not short of possibilities with guys closer to their own age. Those challenged by the figures of beauty may decide a shag with jolly old Jim is better than staying at home with her 6 inch dildo.

Why must those be the only two options available to attractive young girls? I have no doubt the 2-3 rare girls I mentioned encountering could easily get farang men closer to their own age to date and fuck them. Some people like to experiment with everything within reason. Just as I know a very good looking 27 year old man who lives half the year in Thailand who is always on the look out to shag an older lady, even in her 50's if she has kept herself in good shape and has enough charm about her.

However, as I also mentioned in my original post, it would not be nearly so easy for them to date THAI men closer to their own age (or any age for that matter) for the reasons I cited. So that reality does move 60 year old farangs a bit higher on the available options ladder.

Your explanation that it's possibly a novice intending on entering the P4P business deciding on checking it out first with an old guy of her choice before going all in I find a stretch.

To finish I find paying for it less complicated, more satisfying and I would feel more than guilty if there was even a hint that she was playing the long game and I had no intention of ever helping her with the vet bills for the sick buffalo.

But I also added that the girls who did Line me a day or two later about their sick grandma and hospitalized buffalo knew in their heart and mind it was P4P all along and so did I. Not much of a stretch there, imo.

Some girls are too shy to outright state they are freelancers/hookers (or trying to be) or admit it to themselves and stick out their hand for the money on the way in or out of a date and shag. In some ways, being much older than such a shy or reticent girl works in my favor. She might naturally assume a much older man would volunteer to give her money for her time and body without her asking or do so after she asks (the sick grandma) without a fuss or confrontation. By contrast, a man closer to their own age might take great offense at being asked for money afterwards if he more naturally assumed he really was on a strictly non P4P date and fuck. To the girl, I am simply a safer bet to understand and agree to give her money for that date and fuck.

I agree with your last statement. And I would volunteer to give money without being asked to every lady I meet who does not mention money upfront if it weren't for the fact that there have been several cases where the girl got very upset and stormed out, never to date or fuck me again, because I "think all Thai ladies are the same! I am not lady bar!" LOL. Yes, that has even happened with young cute girls I have met outside the direct P4P scene here.