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[Syzygies]

Wouldn't the promise of a tip for good service make up for the lack of enthusiasm for buying a lady drink? Personally, I refuse to buy more than one drink. I like to spend some time getting to know the girl I intend to bring back to the hotel for sex, and a few hundred baht seems like a small price to pay. If I decide to bar fine the lady, no more drinks seem necessary (to me). Certainly the girl is making more money with ST or LT than she will earn on a few lady drinks.

It is essentially because of the bar fine system and the lady drink quotas that I prefer bars with FL girls and the soapies to the go-go bars.

In a Soapy, the Management is getting a high portion of the fee. In a bar you know how much the management is taking roughly in the barfine and the drinks. The girl gets all of what you pay her. An MP has a component for the management as well. So really the BF is not the reason you avoid bars, logically.

The true reason you avoid the bar, is because the girl price is higher than you want to pay, and because you are bored in there, or you don't know if the girl is a dud. Soapy girl can be a dud just as easily, in fact even more easily for customers like me.

In Ocean, you can pay as little as 1700, from which the girl might get only 800. So 900 to the management, plus any drinks. The reason you take this, is because the girl gets so little. Annies is another example where management gets a high portion of the fee. It's probably similar at all Soapies. Plenty of Oily girls are making about 1200 or 1300 per customer (the girls lose something out of the 1500 you pay them). Freelancers available on the street for 1000 to 1500. This is the true way to get a girl without management overhead. Hence the popularity of Thermae also with some customers.

The problem with the bar is mainly the girls are asking for too much money, because they think they can get it. Okay Some girls still can be found for 2000. Not much below that.

A top girl in an Oily makes good money but only because she has to fuck many times. The bargirl has a lot less customers, and fucks less. Less wear and tear on the body. Can be fresher. Many have only one fuck per day. Many average much less than one fuck per day, failing to get BFed often.

Very expensive Soapy girls don't need more than 1 customer per day, perhaps, as well. If a Soapy girl at The Lord cost 6000 Baht including the Farang surcharge, I don't know how much the girl makes. Probably not much more than half of it at a wild guess.

If I went back to 20 years ago, there were Soapies where sex was not included in the initial price. At CP2 I used to pay the "Ancient Thai Massage" girl a cash tip of 1 K to include sex in the session. She probably got a very small amount from the massage fee as well, but the total management fee was somewhat under control.

[Member #4643]

Exactly. Although the girl will appreciate the guy slipping her 100 baht on the side instead of buying her a first or second Lady Drink, when a deal has been struck for barfine take-out the girl might very well and often will still ask the guys trying this method to please buy her 1-2 Lady Drinks before they leave to help her satisfy that quota. That is the moment he will need to decide if his saying no will spoil the lovey-dovey chemistry established for that take-out by saying no, go along with her last second request or cancel the whole thing and move on. That's a lot of risk in order to save a buck or two.

We've all probably thought of it and tried some variation of it to varying success. I've even had great success here and there by cutting out the Lady Drink bit all together and just negotiated a take-out without buying a Lady Drink at all. Or even a drink for myself! LOL.

Wouldn't the promise of a tip for good service make up for the lack of enthusiasm for buying a lady drink? Personally, I refuse to buy more than one drink. I like to spend some time getting to know the girl I intend to bring back to the hotel for sex, and a few hundred baht seems like a small price to pay. If I decide to bar fine the lady, no more drinks seem necessary (to me). Certainly the girl is making more money with ST or LT than she will earn on a few lady drinks.

It is essentially because of the bar fine system and the lady drink quotas that I prefer bars with FL girls and the soapies to the go-go bars.

[EihTooms]

They have a monthly quota of lady drinks to fulfill.

Exactly. Although the girl will appreciate the guy slipping her 100 baht on the side instead of buying her a first or second Lady Drink, when a deal has been struck for barfine take-out the girl might very well and often will still ask the guys trying this method to please buy her 1-2 Lady Drinks before they leave to help her satisfy that quota. That is the moment he will need to decide if his saying no will spoil the lovey-dovey chemistry established for that take-out, go along with her last second request or cancel the whole thing and move on. That's a lot of risk in order to save a buck or two.

We've all probably thought of it and tried some variation of it to varying success. I've even had great success here and there by cutting out the Lady Drink bit all together and just negotiated a take-out without buying a Lady Drink at all. Or even a drink for myself! LOL.

[UltraHappy]

They have a monthly quota of lady drinks to fulfill.

Feels like you have put a lot of thought into circumventing the system in order to "scam" the bar out of $1 USD.

SL.

Good point. Sounds like the first phrase I should learn how to say in Thai is, "No, I am a Cheap Charlie!" Haha.

I have no problem paying the girls well. I just don't like the idea of paying a bar for a bunch of unwanted drinks. I am just used to other countries where we pay one admission fee that covers all facility use, unlimited food, and other amenities. I suppose I just need to get used to the idea of paying for a bunch of stupid drinks whether I want them or not.

I mean the bar is going to get a bar fine out of me if I take one of their girls -- this I am happy to pay. But I am reluctant / resistant to the idea of paying for a bunch of drinks. Maybe I am just use too used to the way they do things in other countries.

[Breadman]

Yes some girls will sit for a long time and not push you for drinks. I usually reward those girls at the end of the night with a 200 baht tip or whatever change I have coming back to me

Don't forget to mention all the girls asking for a tip when you pay your tab and the change comes.

[Sunlover2]

Anyways, what's wrong with this plan of cutting the bar out of the whole lady drink nonsense and giving the girl her commission directly? Or, would her head simply explode, not being able to compute what stupid foreigner me is trying to do?

Just curious.

They have a monthly quota of lady drinks to fulfill.

Ok, sounds like my "scam" wouldn't work then.

Feels like you have put a lot of thought into circumventing the system in order to "scam" the bar out of $1 USD. It seems our subcontinent friends do have some worthy competition.

SL.

[Banana Boi]

Oh, I did not realize that the girl sits with you for more than half an hour for the price of just one drink. That seems like an awfully long time. I was imagining it would be a far shorter time.

If I am really enjoying hanging out with a girl, maybe I just buy her first lady drink, then after 30 minutes, I discreetly slip her 100-150 baht and tell her no more lady drinks before I leave or take her home? Better plan?

Yes some girls will sit for a long time and not push you for drinks. I usually reward those girls at the end of the night with a 200 baht tip or whatever change I have coming back to me. Girls make 50 baht per drink in most places. Other places have quotas the girl must make for the night. So really if you order 1 lady drink for a girl and tip her 200 baht after 2 hours then she made the equivalent of 5 drinks which is a pretty decent pace for most girls. Some bars don't allow this with pushy waitresses and mamasans. If the waitress is friendly and cute I may also tip the waitress 100 baht too to go along with this. Remember, in Thailand any tip money left in the folder goes to the bar. Any money you take out of the folder and give directly to the waitress goes to the waitress.

edit - I'm reading Syzy's post now. I basically said what he said. Girls are all for the tip at the end as long as they're not on a drink minimum quota getting a weekly salary.

[UltraHappy]

Ha ha. I normally drink Soda or Coke Light, occasionally juice.

You have to understand that the way the bar makes money is to sell drinks. So guys that sit on a single water all night are useless waste of space customers. Even more so, if unwilling to buy any lady drinks. A lady will not sit with you if you do not buy her drinks, simply because it is her job to get customers to buy drinks for her.

Now we come to the subtle part. You can keep her drinks to a reasonable minimum such as 1 drink per 40 minutes, and give her a good tip afterwards. She will certainly get far more by receiving 200 Baht directly than from buying her a single drink.

Oh, I did not realize that the girl sits with you for more than half an hour for the price of just one drink. That seems like an awfully long time. I was imagining it would be a far shorter time.

Ok, sounds like my "scam" wouldn't work then.

If I am really enjoying hanging out with a girl, maybe I just buy her first lady drink, then after 30 minutes, I discreetly slip her 100-150 baht and tell her no more lady drinks before I leave or take her home? Better plan?

[Syzygies]

If a girl comes to me and asks me to buy her a lady drink, I understand that might cost around 140 baht of which she gets half as commission.

So, if a girl asks me to buy her a lady drink, why don't I just give her 100 baht instead? She gets more than the commission she would have gotten from a lady drink and she doesn't have to pretend to drink something that she probably doesn't want to drink. Everyone is a winner except the bar. But, I assume that the bar won't give me any trouble or ask me to leave as long as I have a non-finished drink sitting in front of me.

I'm a non-drinker, so my drink would just be a Sprite or some juice thing anyways I suppose.

Anyways, what's wrong with this plan of cutting the bar out of the whole lady drink nonsense and giving the girl her commission directly? Or, would her head simply explode, not being able to compute what stupid foreigner me is trying to do?

Just curious.

Ha ha. I normally drink Soda or Coke Light, occasionally juice.

Firstly the cost of lady drink varies a lot. As high as 200 Baht in some bars and rarely as low as 140 Baht. 170 might be typical. The customer drink could well cost less. The lady typically gets less than half the cost of a lady drink. So if the price is 200 Baht in Suzie Wong, I would be very surprised in the girl gets 100 Baht. Might be 60 Baht or 80 Baht.

Some bars have happy hour when drinks cost less.

You have to understand that the way the bar makes money is to sell drinks. So guys that sit on a single water all night are useless waste of space customers. Even more so, if unwilling to buy any lady drinks. A lady will not sit with you if you do not buy her drinks, simply because it is her job to get customers to buy drinks for her.

Now we come to the subtle part. You can keep her drinks to a reasonable minimum such as 1 drink per 40 minutes, and give her a good tip afterwards. She will certainly get far more by receiving 200 Baht directly than from buying her a single drink.

It is better not to buy drinks for any other staff, unless you want them to sit with you as well, and keep asking for more drinks.

Buying Ping Pong balls to throw around, I think gives the girls a 50/50 split with the bar from commission they get per ball, however, then your money starts to be indiscriminately spread around the bar. So I don't play ping pong balls. Have even seen someone get injured in the mad rush to grab the balls flying around the bar.

You can try slipping a girl 100 baht notes, instead of buying her drinks, but I think management will probably tell her not to sit with you. If they see you are doing this to circumvent buying drinks, they may ask her to hand over the money. So I don't believe the management will accept everyone trying to buck the system. They may not ask you to leave as long as you keep buying drinks. If you go too long without buying any more drinks, perhaps you could be asked to leave. I am not too sure what they tolerate, and depends on the bar. If bar is short of available seats, they won't appreciate waste of time customers.

So I believe a girl will not sit with a customer not buying her drinks, because she will be ostracized for doing that. So her time with you should run out quickly if she has not got a drink.

Indians especially may be told the club is members only, if there is a suspicion that they might want almost free entertainment by sitting on a drink all night. Guys from that country seem to have the worst reputation for being not willing to part with any money, and wanting a free ride. Maybe an unfair reputation.

I know some bars provide no viable entertainment at all. In that case it is best not to sit in those clubs for long.

My drinks buying varies a lot. If no girls are interesting me, my Soda can last quite a while at low cost. If I "entertain" a girl or two, it is going to cost me, however that is fair because I am less bored. I don't buy girls two drinks at a time unless she is simply amazing, and I want to get her out of there very quickly and get to the bed. However there is a girl I will buy a drink for, simply because she is my friend, even I won't be fucking her.

If girls entertain customers, but fail to sell enough drinks, they could easily be told not to come back to work any more. I. e. They are cheating the bar. They are just not doing their job.

The bar also makes money fro barfines, but selling drinks remains very important. They expect the average customers' drinks bill to be higher than their barfine bill, at least in bars I have been in. Even when my bill is very low, since in that case, it has no BF component. The waiting staff have to get paid for somehow.

[UltraHappy]

If a girl comes to me and asks me to buy her a lady drink, I understand that might cost around 140 baht of which she gets half as commission.

So, if a girl asks me to buy her a lady drink, why don't I just give her 100 baht instead? She gets more than the commission she would have gotten from a lady drink and she doesn't have to pretend to drink something that she probably doesn't want to drink. Everyone is a winner except the bar. But, I assume that the bar won't give me any trouble or ask me to leave as long as I have a non-finished drink sitting in front of me.

I'm a non-drinker, so my drink would just be a Sprite or some juice thing anyways I suppose.

Anyways, what's wrong with this plan of cutting the bar out of the whole lady drink nonsense and giving the girl her commission directly? Or, would her head simply explode, not being able to compute what stupid foreigner me is trying to do?

Just curious.

[Syzygies]

Syzygies or others: this translating tool was just posted in the Chang Mai forum by Werqweq. Does it seem good to you? It appears to be convenient and free.

https://www.thai2english.com/

My detailed answer is on the Chiang Mai forum. In short, I don't think it is any better than Google Translate. Can't get a simple common expression right. Possibly suited better to more formal Thai sentences, than to girl chat like typing. Remains to be seen if any use at all.

[Allover]

For anyone with a very small amount of Thai language knowledge, the way to improve it is spend time with Thai girls that have no English, preferably take them on holiday with you. Be armed with a "Thai-English English-Thai Talking Dictionary" (by Paiboon and Word in the Hand) on smart phone. The best little book I ever had in my early days was Robertson's Practical English- Thai Dictionary. It is oriented to simple phrases or clauses rather than single words. Not comprehensive but covers a lot of important basics. Never seen anything else like it. Single English words have multiple meanings. Single Thai words have multiple meanings also. Therefore books translating single words do not work.

https://books.google.co.th/books?id=...MC&redir_esc=y

The Paiboon dictionary gives examples in context frequently. It also has a naughty words section. Or love words section. LOL.

For sexual phrases also have a look at this:
http://www.thai-language.com/id/589875

Syzygies or others: this translating tool was just posted in the Chang Mai forum by Werqweq. Does it seem good to you? It appears to be convenient and free.

https://www.thai2english.com/

[JackRow]

You did pretty good in the lions' den for a first time. A very good learning experience. A few tips. Don't be getting too involved with mamasans until you need them. So not necessary to buy mamasan a drink at all unless you like her and you want it to become a habit.

Most experienced guys here would bail out as soon as the rip off scams started re 5000 and the room for 800. Fortunately you got to a better deal, where a lot of guys would just not bother, and bail out, expecting that the girl is not likely to be great. I normally take a lot more than 10 minutes talk to decide if I really want a girl, but that is just me. I am very untrusting of new girls till I am sure the chemistry is good. However I am different because I am quite willing to miss out altogether, and as a new guy you don't want to go unfucked.

So I suggest maybe more than one drink for the girl and less for mamasan. Take more time to build chemistry perhaps unless scared the girl will be stolen away by another customer. I don't know the average price paid for a ST for Bacarra. It is years since I did a Bacarra girl. However correct you are only likely to get one shot. If you agree to more it will cost you more..

Thanks Syzygies for tips. One thing you mentioned, really helped me was dealing with Mamasan. Went out again at Baccara and ignored the Mamasan. The girl which I took couple days back recognized me and tried to push me for another ST. However I just was not interested in repeating same one again. Just started walking out off the club after finishing my beer and two more girls immediately jumped in. They didn't approach me till I was with the previous girl. I decided to wait and went back in corner area which was much dark and away from attention. One of the girl started asking for lady drink. I order two and this time Mamasan brought the drink and started asking for tips after paying for lady drinks. I simply left 10 baht coin in the cup and promised to pay for girl which I can take back for ST. She agreed and walked off. Instead off deciding which one to take back, I started chatting and within no time two hands were on my cock. I also started pressing boobs touching them down with one girl sitting on my lap. This went for about 20 minutes, one of them (number 16 tag) had to go on stage. So I continued with (number 12 tag). Ordered another lady drink for her (no tips to Mamasan only promise to take the girl back to my hotel and it worked). I was enjoying every moment with lip kiss, boobs press and good lap dance for about 40 to 50 minutes. After sometime I made excuse to smoke and went out of the club. This time I paid only about 400 baht and enjoyed every bit of action without any rip off. This is where seniors really come to help.

From Bacarra I then went to Suzie Wong and picked up a really hot girl. Who is still with me.

Thanks Syzygies.

[Golfinho]

For anyone with a very small amount of Thai language knowledge, the way to improve it is spend time with Thai girls that have no English, preferably take them on holiday with you.

That is about the most tedious chore imaginable. Taking two though might improve somewhat the likelihood you're not being bored senseless.

[Syzygies]

For anyone with a very small amount of Thai language knowledge, the way to improve it is spend time with Thai girls that have no English, preferably take them on holiday with you. Be armed with a "Thai-English English-Thai Talking Dictionary" (by Paiboon and Word in the Hand) on smart phone. The best little book I ever had in my early days was Robertson's Practical English- Thai Dictionary. It is oriented to simple phrases or clauses rather than single words. Not comprehensive but covers a lot of important basics. Never seen anything else like it. Single English words have multiple meanings. Single Thai words have multiple meanings also. Therefore books translating single words do not work.

https://books.google.co.th/books?id=...MC&redir_esc=y

The Paiboon dictionary gives examples in context frequently. It also has a naughty words section. Or love words section. LOL.

For sexual phrases also have a look at this:
http://www.thai-language.com/id/589875

Everyone needs a proper teacher in earliest stages to get pronunciation corrected. Don't want to learn it all wrong.

My biggest frustration in early days, was knowing what I want to say, but not knowing best way to say it in Thai, or how would a Thai person say it. To say something to a girl like "when I stroke your skin, it feels so smooth and nice" was such a challenge. Much harder than to say "I am hungry". "I need to sleep", etc.