General Reports

[ThaiGoodTimes]

I am being subjected to an attempt by a bargirl to be my bargirlfriend (not the same as a girlfriend). A bargirlfriend's aim is barfines, drinks and cash gifts. She will be your girlfriend in the bar and when you barfine her. One standard tactic is to post on Facebook her love for an anonymous male, which is seen by her 100's of Facebook friends, but you are supposed to think it's about you.

The upside is enthusiastic sex, which will last until she realizes I am not a chump.

Unless you are willing to part with a lot of cash, it's best to ignore the attack. That would make her Thai boyfriend sad, though.

A lot of guys can't distinguish between attempts at a real relationship and a bar relationship, and the result is great sadness and loss of your savings. You sometimes see posts about chumps who buy gold baht for bargirls during their 2 weeks in Thailand, or the girls will brag about some guy throwing cash at them. Don't be that guy.

Every guy will be "that guy" sometime in their Thai punting.

You don't learn it if you don't earn it.

[Turgid]

That made me chuckle. I remember a girl doing an interview on the Bangkok post years back and explaining that she was a Freelancer because she could not work in an establishment. They tested often and since she had AIDS, she wouldn't be able to pass the tests. She also mentioned that all her customers were having sex with her without condom and she didn't care because it's not her job to care for other's wellbeing.

Food For thought.

It may be worthwhile to contemplate that many of her customers may already have AIDS and could not care less for her wellbeing as well.

[Explorer8939]

I am being subjected to an attempt by a bargirl to be my bargirlfriend (not the same as a girlfriend). A bargirlfriend's aim is barfines, drinks and cash gifts. She will be your girlfriend in the bar and when you barfine her. One standard tactic is to post on Facebook her love for an anonymous male, which is seen by her 100's of Facebook friends, but you are supposed to think it's about you.

The upside is enthusiastic sex, which will last until she realizes I am not a chump.

Unless you are willing to part with a lot of cash, it's best to ignore the attack. That would make her Thai boyfriend sad, though.

A lot of guys can't distinguish between attempts at a real relationship and a bar relationship, and the result is great sadness and loss of your savings. You sometimes see posts about chumps who buy gold baht for bargirls during their 2 weeks in Thailand, or the girls will brag about some guy throwing cash at them. Don't be that guy.

[EihTooms]

My combined #1 tip for enjoyers of BBFSCIP in Thailand is the following:

1) Freelancers never ask for condoms, at least the younger ones.

2) Never bring up condoms when communicating with them (e. G. On Tinder / Thaifriendly). Only one brought it up out of 12-15 girls. Good thing you have a vasectomy.

Thanks for the uplifting report and tip with a very happy ending for, well, almost all of us.

However, you and I must be meeting and choosing radically different Freelancers in Thailand. Or maybe I am choosing them while they are in a more elevated state of awake and alert sobriety. Or it could simply be that I am too disgusting and hideously ugly for more than about 20%, one out of five, Freelancers who I don't vet for BBFS+CIP upfront before I take or meet them in person to agree to it for any amount of money in "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" mode.

That is about my rate of success in getting BBFS+CIP with all hookers in Thailand whether they are Freelancers online, in a bar, in a club or on the street, go-go dancers, beer bar girls or massage shop girls, girls in their early 20's to ladies in their 30's and 40's, whether it was during normal times or during the past two years of supposedly "dire economic" conditions. It doesn't matter. For the past nearly 10 years of living here, speaking fairly competent Thai, smiling a lot and not being the least bit stingy with my money, only about 1 out of 5, roughly 20% of the girls I take to my room in "go with the flow" mode will relatively easily go along with BBFS+CIP with me instead of blocking me with a clear verbal and / or body language resistance to BBFS+CIP. That means from outright declaring "No" followed by a "No condom, no sex" lecture to blocking their pussy at the point of penetration when nothing was said, to wiggling away and rolling out of bed to avoid it.

Then again, I am not really a drinker and don't take any other mind-altering drugs. So maybe I am also in enough of an elevated state of awake and alert sobriety to recognize a verbal "No" when I hear one and a body language "No" when I see one. Who knows. I should also mention that I have had a vasectomy, tell the girls about it in Thai and offer to show any of the resistant ones a recent negative, normal HIV / STD blood check document from Thai Red Cross. It still doesn't matter or change my overall 20% success rate in "go with the flow" mode.

In fact, even about 20% of the Thai hookers I vet thoroughly upfront for BBFS+CIP before I meet them from dating sites, pay their barfine and take them from a bar or walk off with them from a club or the street will still hit me with something like, "No, I misunderstood!" in the bed. In which case, I will abort the mission, thank them for their time, give them some small token of payment I deem fair, thank them for their time and wave bye at the door. Virtually none of those types change their minds and return to renegotiate money or terms before they step into the elevator and disappear with nothing more than an additional 100-200 baht taxi fare in their purse.

Now, I am not complaining. I am just offering my personal experience here with the Thai girls I meet and choose, comparing notes and tips with the assessment you made from your experience in your post.

Actually, for all of the past almost 10 years of living here my dance card has been quite full with girls eager to have and repeat BBFS+CIP with me, pester me for it day and night, from adorably cute ones, hot and sexy ones, young ones, middling ones, older ones and, sure, some who most of us would consider hard cases one takes more out of charity than anything remotely like desire. So there are still plenty of more than doable, even quite objectively lovely and desirable Thai girls here who apparently can look past my disgusting hideousness to endure BBFS+CIP with me any time I want anyway.

But is it anywhere close to "all" or "most" on a first or even second meeting? No way. Not for me, that is.

[NicFrenchy]

My combined #1 tip for enjoyers of BBFSCIP in Thailand is the following:..... Good thing you have a vasectomy.

That made me chuckle. I remember a girl doing an interview on the Bangkok post years back and explaining that she was a Freelancer because she could not work in an establishment. They tested often and since she had AIDS, she wouldn't be able to pass the tests. She also mentioned that all her customers were having sex with her without condom and she didn't care because it's not her job to care for other's wellbeing.

Food For thought.

[DoktorEn]

My combined #1 tip for enjoyers of BBFSCIP in Thailand is the following:

1) Freelancers never ask for condoms, at least the younger ones.

2) Never bring up condoms when communicating with them (e. G. On Tinder / Thaifriendly). Only one brought it up out of 12-15 girls. Good thing you have a vasectomy.

[Axel Heyst]

Nic, I hear what you are saying. This is why I never name names or post pictures in my reports on an open forum. I report on my experiences, yes, my MO (more or less), and I name all the bars where I had both good and bad experiences, but after that it is up to each individual to make it happen.

But some guys start off with various bad attitudes or have poor strategies in place, so they are much less likely to have as good a time as myself in the same bar with the same girls. Other guys, who speak the lingo and have good attitudes can and will do a whole lot better. As the old proverb says, 'You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.'

And then there are the girls; As you so rightly point out, they are not automatons. They are first and foremost woman. That said, they are in a service industry, so I appreciate an establishment that maintains a consistent minimum level of performance, and as I said above, I name those establishments in my field reports. But, there are a scores of reasons why a girl might perform better for one guy than another. That's were having a good attitude plus knowing what signs to look for before making a final selection pays off big time in the long run.

[NicFrenchy]

Now guys post about their nights out without even naming the bars they visited or girls

I used to make that mistake myself, being very detailed and it did cost me quite a bit. Not monetary, obviously but sometimes we underestimate the amount of guys lurking these pages, for every 5 or 10 replies to a review, there's probably a couple hundred guys taking note and actually wanting / demanding to repeat the same experience you wrote about.

These girls are women before they are prostitutes and sometimes they let themselves go and cross a line doing stuff with you they wouldn't usually do, so do you write about that? What if guys want it and that same girl says no? How many angry guys do you think will show the girl the ISG report? What are the chances she will deny doing this at all?

Also, as I said earlier, when you write a glowing review about a girl, chances are hundreds of ISG readers will now go after her and you might miss your chance to repeat. When you do get a chance to see her again she will be tired and might not have the same bubbly / GFE / pornstar service she once had.

It is a pickle, writing a report, it's not as easy as it seems when you're in it for the long game and expect to repeat.

Do you report the girl on the day of the encounter? Or do you wait until you're back home so as to make sure you're able to repeat if needed?

Maybe I ramble too much but these are questions that interest me, more so than which girl charges 1 K for ST and lets you do Anal (just an example). However I understand that info is VITAL to a forum like this.

We used to have a thread for reports of distinction, for exceptional and informative reports. Maybe we can have stickies with only places and prices.

[Sunlover2]

I remember a time 15 years ago when a Noob to Thailand would come and ask questions only to be told to RTFF (Read The Fucking Forum) and, I never really understood that hostility.

I was once a Noob, and even though back in early 2000 I would devour hundreds of pages of these forums like ISG (BTF, Stickman, BA. All defunct now) but they never seemed to really answer all the questions I had. I always was left with 1 or 2 grey areas that I would have loved cleared.

Back then you could RTFF and actually find quite a bit of useful information and actionable intel.

Now a days the forums are increasingly cluttered with jive talk, smack talk, combative alter egos, politics, untruths, falsehoods, third hand information consolidators, and people who have never been to Thailand yet talk authoritatively.

It is entertaining for the short time trolls who come and go, but bad for the punters and hobbyists looking to gain some practical knowledge.

SL.

[Banana Boi]

Haven123 and (more recently) FL Hawk who seem to have disappeared.

FL still goes to Thailand more often than most of us. So dedicated he even did the full 14 day quarantine when it first came available. I believe he stopped posting because there was just too much negativity on this board. Anyone who has met FL knows he's a glass half full kind of guy.

I think I was with Haven his final nights in Thailand. He just seemed to have dropped off the scene after that. No longer in touch with him so don't know how he is. Can't believe that was 4 years ago.

[NicFrenchy]

Mick Licker...Hope these guys are OK

Mick is probably still here under another Alias 😊.

He was MP LURKER, SYZYGIES and probably another handle by now.

[Explorer8939]

I have only a few more nights in Pattaya before I leave for Brazil. So, I am going with my favorite ladies from 2021.

Tonight, I booked a room at the Cape Dara Resort, and will drink drink some wine with a Mamasan who works in LK Metro. The hot tub generally motivates Thai ladies, probably because it's rare for them.

[Allover]

I sometimes wonder about the good posters like Giotto, OTH, Mick Licker, Duniawala, 1 Ball, Pita123, Haven123 and (more recently) FL Hawk who seem to have disappeared. I know Giotto made a surprise reappearance here last year. Hope these guys are OK. Some of us are getting up there in age.

[Banana Boi]

I have encountered this multiple times with my own friends. Asking the same damn questions over and over. I got to the point where I do not give any information until they show me they have a ticket.

So true. So many guys have told me they're coming to Thailand for the past 7 years. I've told them they missed the boat, even in 2020 pre-COVID. Same for Germany for the past 12 years. Show me you're serious and I will help you.

I spent from February to October reading and following the Thai forum daily. I asked some questions. I had the help of some experienced guys who I knew from the Germany forums like Breadman, Finnish Fucker, and Syzygies. I got called out by a prominent member on ISG to RTFF and ironically he has since become a good friend of mine in real life.

However, to be fair to new guys when we first started there was plenty of useful information on the board. Now guys post about their nights out without even naming the bars they visited or girls. Someone like ET and I haven't gotten along over the years but I will be the first to thank him for his posts now as they are detailed and provide information.

[Mr Enternational]

I remember a time 15 years ago when a Noob to Thailand would come and ask questions only to be told to RTFF (Read The Fucking Forum) and, I never really understood that hostility.

Bottom line, do what you feel, ask what you want and ignore the passive aggressive or negative replies, no one owns this forum and last time I checked, it's not against the rules to ask questions.

I came to this forum 17 years ago and asked a question. I was told by OTH to RTFF. I did not understand it then, but I do now.

When I travel with chicks or go visit chicks I always ask them what we are going to do. Most have no clue. I tell them to look on the internet then. They will try the we will figure it out when you get here card. No. I need to know what to pack, how much money I will need, and other sorts of things depending on the activities that are planned. Most chicks are just too lazy to do the simple google searches and want someone else to figure it out. It is the same for people that come up and ask questions before they have read tff.

In primary school we would go to class and the teacher would teach us something, then she would send us home to practice what we had learned that day. When I got to graduate school we had to do what people mean when they say RTFF. We were expected to have already have read over and studied the new material, then we came to class and asked specific questions about things we may not have understood.

Some guys come on here with a primary school mentality expecting someone else to take the time to plan out their vacation and hand them the itinerary. People saying RTFF are grad school professors saying to put your big boy pants on and plan out your own vacation and then ask for clarification on any specifics.

It really is sad for someone to come on here and ask where are the best girls or how much do I need to pay chicks. To me that gives off a vibe that they don't have intentions of even traveling in the first place. I have encountered this multiple times with my own friends. Asking the same damn questions over and over. I got to the point where I do not give any information until they show me they have a ticket.