General Reports

[NicFrenchy]

I remember a time 15 years ago when a Noob to Thailand would come and ask questions only to be told to RTFF (Read The Fucking Forum) and, I never really understood that hostility.

I was once a Noob, and even though back in early 2000 I would devour hundreds of pages of these forums like ISG (BTF, Stickman, BA. All defunct now) but they never seemed to really answer all the questions I had. I always was left with 1 or 2 grey areas that I would have loved cleared.

At the time, it was also pretty hostile to newbs and their "stupid" or "Repetitive" questions, but thankfully, there was always a few guys willing to help out and I will always be grateful to them. GIOTTO, OTH, MICK LICKER, DUNIAWALA, 1 BALL, PITA123 to name a few (names from another set of decades, I know).

My HUGE advantage was that I was coming to Bangkok to work, I had time to discover everything, trial and error type of thing and so I did.

I tried places and reported on them, shared with everyone so that a few people would benefit (the same way other guy's reviews helped me).

However, P4 P is not simple and I quickly learned it was NOT OK to write descriptive reviews anymore. Several reasons:

1. Pricing is not always fixed and the price a girl charges for Customer A isn't the same as the one she charges Customer be:

A) She discriminates by skin color.

B) You're cute, she likes you and wants you to take her, even for a little less than the other guy sitting across the bar she's not very fond of.

B) You're the only customer willing to take her that day.

C) She's tired from 3 customers that day so to be her 4th you have to be generous.

D) She needs a place to stay the night, she's willing to go LT for ST price (that day).

2. She's doing something with you she's not usually doing with others.

3. As soon as you write a glowing review about a girl, be prepared to say goodbye to her, for her to disappear, Busy with all the forum readers now hunting for her.

4. Not everyone reading this forum is trustworthy.

Girls have been upset with me because some customers PRINTED my review and showed it to her, demanding exactly the same! (I'm serious).

Bottom line, do what you feel, ask what you want and ignore the passive aggressive or negative replies, no one owns this forum and last time I checked, it's not against the rules to ask questions.

If people want to help you great, if not, just can move to the next post.

I understand tourists here for a short time, you don't want to make mistakes, you want to get it as right as you possibly can. Also guys visiting with their families and with only a window of a few hours to play.

Aren't we here because we want to build a loyal, harmonious brotherhood? Ready to help each other have the best time possible?

Or maybe I misunderstood the purpose of the forum.

[Chimpo Chinn]

The irony of this response when you talk about wasting bandwidth has not been lost on me. Hilarious.

Me Neither.

[Lefeu]

...Every gent is full of questions before his first trip to Thailand. No shame in that.

But it's poor form to ask basic questions here that have been asked and answered in this forum dozens, if not HUNDREDS of times before. Questions of that nature clutter the forum, waste bandwidth and suggest the new guy is too lazy to do even basic research...

I agree with you, poor form at its best.

[SidewaysOnTour]

Every gent is full of questions before his first trip to Thailand. No shame in that.

But it's poor form to ask basic questions here that have been asked and answered in this forum dozens, if not HUNDREDS of times before. Questions of that nature clutter the forum, waste bandwidth and suggest the new guy is too lazy to do even basic research.

Mr. Sideways should go back at least 100 pages in the forums for Bangkok and Pattaya and read all the traffic up to the present day. He should take notes as he does so. He should also use his favorite search engine to locate points of interest on a map, which will give him a basic understanding of the areas of interest to naughty boys visiting both cities. Finally, he should look at the web sites collecting hotel and restaurant reviews.

Once he has done his homework, Mr. Sideways can ask specific questions about topics that have not yet been addressed, or about topics where the guidance may have changed recently. Otherwise he's just wasting everybody's time.

The irony of this response when you talk about wasting bandwidth has not been lost on me. Hilarious.

[Bunky]

If I am approached by a lady on the street what is the "ball park" for 4 hours? If in a bar and I take a girl home how much can I expect the bar fine to be?

Every gent is full of questions before his first trip to Thailand. No shame in that.

But it's poor form to ask basic questions here that have been asked and answered in this forum dozens, if not HUNDREDS of times before. Questions of that nature clutter the forum, waste bandwidth and suggest the new guy is too lazy to do even basic research.

Mr. Sideways should go back at least 100 pages in the forums for Bangkok and Pattaya and read all the traffic up to the present day. He should take notes as he does so. He should also use his favorite search engine to locate points of interest on a map, which will give him a basic understanding of the areas of interest to naughty boys visiting both cities. Finally, he should look at the web sites collecting hotel and restaurant reviews.

Once he has done his homework, Mr. Sideways can ask specific questions about topics that have not yet been addressed, or about topics where the guidance may have changed recently. Otherwise he's just wasting everybody's time.

[Crocodilexp]

I think it's fair to say most reveal their LB status in short order as they wish to avoid unnecessary drama as well. However, if you have any doubt at all, just ask. Only the rare bird would deny, unless, of course, "she" is post op and then may try to get away with the subterfuge

During normal times, yes. However, these are desperate times, and LBs who are desperate for customers might be more willing to conceal their status.

[SidewaysOnTour]

To everyone that has replied offering advice. I have also spent a day reading through the forum. All very insightful and I feel more informed as to where to go in Bangkok, the rules of engagement (LOL) and approximate prices. I appreciate the guidance gents.

[HorseTrader]

In Theory, yes, but not for a busy girl, and especially not if you're a tourist.

These girls are experienced and they can smell a fresh tourist, which means, if you only say ST, she's going to leave as soon as she makes you cum.

These girls can easily spot that I'm a tourist, but for my short time girls I've come up with a phrase that reduces the rush: "I'll be here for another 3 weeks. " They then see me as a potential repeat customer and tend to stick around longer than I want them.

[Chimpo Chinn]

You always want to make sure that it's a lady that approaches you, and on Sukhumvit right now, it's a toss up. That is why, I always advise Tourists to go to an establishment and not pickup from the street.

Trust me, depending on the amount of alcohol consumed, you won't be able to tell that easily.

Barfine from a BAR, it's safer and the 500-600 they will charge you is your safety / tranquility.

If you mistakenly take a Ladyboy to your room, you will still have to pay the full price even though no sex occured (unless you want tantrums and Drama and hotel security showing up, everyone in the hotel hearing about your. Misadventure).

Have a look at that video, there are a lot of Ladyboys in there, just can't hurt to practice spotting them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_f1g1jtpzE

15 years ago Rainbow Barfine was 500. Just before closure it was up to 1,000.

[Tomasb]

I think it's fair to say most reveal their LB status in short order as they wish to avoid unnecessary drama as well. However, if you have any doubt at all, just ask. Only the rare bird would deny, unless, of course, "she" is post op and then may try to get away with the subterfuge, usually under the cover of darkness. Needless to say, if you bang the post op or receive a BJ etc. And are not aware, perhaps it falls under the old saying "if a tree falls in forest and no one is there, does it make a sound"?

You always want to make sure that it's a lady that approaches you, and on Sukhumvit right now, it's a toss up. That is why, I always advise Tourists to go to an establishment and not pickup from the street.

Trust me, depending on the amount of alcohol consumed, you won't be able to tell that easily.

Barfine from a BAR, it's safer and the 500-600 they will charge you is your safety / tranquility.

If you mistakenly take a Ladyboy to your room, you will still have to pay the full price even though no sex occured (unless you want tantrums and Drama and hotel security showing up, everyone in the hotel hearing about your. Misadventure).

Have a look at that video, there are a lot of Ladyboys in there, just can't hurt to practice spotting them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_f1g1jtpzE

[NicFrenchy]

if I am approached by a lady on the street

You always want to make sure that it's a lady that approaches you, and on Sukhumvit right now, it's a toss up. That is why, I always advise Tourists to go to an establishment and not pickup from the street.

Trust me, depending on the amount of alcohol consumed, you won't be able to tell that easily.

Barfine from a BAR, it's safer and the 500-600 they will charge you is your safety / tranquility.

If you mistakenly take a Ladyboy to your room, you will still have to pay the full price even though no sex occured (unless you want tantrums and Drama and hotel security showing up, everyone in the hotel hearing about your. Misadventure).

Have a look at that video, there are a lot of Ladyboys in there, just can't hurt to practice spotting them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_f1g1jtpzE

[NicFrenchy]

ST is 1-2 hours for most girls.

In Theory, yes, but not for a busy girl, and especially not if you're a tourist.

These girls are experienced and they can smell a fresh tourist, which means, if you only say ST, she's going to leave as soon as she makes you cum.

Some girls may even add insult to injury and tall you "you finish too quick" and ask for an extra 500 or 1000 for the extra pop.

Be firm with what you want before you agree. ST for me is 2 hours and 2 pops. And 2 K max.

You'll get the usual suspects: BBBJCIM, COF, COB, DATY, Covered FS. No Anal or no threesomes (unless negotiated in advance, price will depend on how desperate she is to get money).

[Banana Boi]

what is the "ball park" for 4 hours?

ST is 1-2 hours for most girls. There is no 4 hour rate per se. Anything more than 2 hours is generally considered LT (ie. Overnight). LT rates can be anywhere from 1000 baht to 10,000 baht depending on where you pick up the girl. And if the girl sees you as a tourist or an expat.

[Mogwai]

With the walk back up sukhumvit towards phrong pong or back down towards Nana, if I am approached by a lady on the street what is the "ball park" for 4 hours?

Better read dozens of pages in this forum first, before you decide on where to stay and where to go, and to get a general idea of the prices. That's what this forum is for after all. Read first and then come back if you still have questions.

[NicFrenchy]

I arrive in April so will post reviews then of how I go.

April is a lifetime away. Best check back here mid-March.

Open places, girls availability, prices quoted. Everything's a bit off balance at the moment. It could all change by April, best to wait.