General Reports

[PinkPearl]

Now let me see if I have this right. You actually want me to go out of my way to visit the Thailand revenue office to ask them if they want me to file a return and pay income taxes on my Social Security pension from the US, and see if they laugh at me or make me pay, right?

I believe that's what I referred to when speaking about putting your "money where your mouth is". Shouldn't be anything to worry about since, as you claim, they "know everything" about you & your finances already, right? But if that's too much trouble, picking up the phone or an email might be easier, either to the revenue authorities or some tax lawyers or both. I wouldn't want you to go out of your way to ease the fearful minds of the Mr Pauls of this world, so they can retire happily in LOS!

Hahahahahaha! You want me to stick my head in the crocodile's mouth and beg the beast to bite it.

In your dreams, Pink.

So now you've changed your tune 180 degrees? You are scared of the big bad Thai tax man? Before you were singing a different song about hysterical nonsense, them being baby bunny rabbits who could care less about taxing people such as you, & the like. Now all of a sudden they are crocodiles who'd love to eat you alive & drain you of every penny you have.

I challenge you to find and report to us just one verified instance of a foreign expat living in Thailand on a non immigration retirement visa who was prosecuted by the law for failing to file a tax return and pay income taxes on his Social Security pension. You can't get in any potential trouble for that, Pink. Can you do it? If you can, I'll be willing to concede to your Thailand tax expertise.

I'm not sure the Thai government controlled media would be aware of, or interested in, or allowed to report a case where such a farang paid a fine for tax evasion, whether for 100 baht or one billion baht. Or a case where a 500K bribe was paid under the table to avoid paying 10 million. Who would report the latter case, the officer who received the bribe? LOL. The guy who paid it & doesn't want to pay the full amount or have a mysterious accident slipping off a 20th floor balcony?

In the unlikely event a guy like you even posted about being caught for tax evasion, due to being ratted on by an angry ex TGF, or whatever, it may take me my next 10 incarnations to find it. But if you're up to the task of searching out thousands of obscure online sites re Thailand to discover such gems, feel free. I wouldn't want to return here with it, only to hear you say it wasn't "verified" by God.

I'll be spending my time focusing on relaxing in a more tax friendly haven:

"Overseas income derived outside Singapore, Singapore dividends and bank interest are tax exempt in Singapore."

http://iras.gov.sg/irasHome/page.aspx?id=9790

"Any income arising from sources outside Singapore and received in Singapore on or after 1 Jan 2004 by an individual (other than partners of a partnership) is exempt from tax."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individ...x_in_Singapore

[AwiBkk]

Sorry guys for posting here.

I'm going to get some time off from my dear BKK for Hk wan chai area 4 about 2 weeks next month

Would love to get some PM about good places or outcall girls for HJ / BBBJ

The forum about Hk is rather weak I'd say.

So that is why I'm posting here hoping for some tigers help.

Thank all

[Dewdrops]

Can you please be specific in what place you saw?

How much they charge, age, can speak english, photos if any?

Yes. You can find them in all those places if you look hard enough. I've found a few.

[FlashCard]

Those of you who are interested in a fun method for learning how to read and speak some Thai, should check out this site:

http://thailanguageflashcards.com/

[Daddy07]

I have a pregnancy fetish. Is there any place where pregnant girls can be found? Bar, street worker, red light area?

Yes. You can find them in all those places if you look hard enough. I've found a few.

[Daddy07]

I challenge you to put Mr. Paul, whoever that is, at ease by going to the Thai revenue people & reporting back here that they kicked you out of the building when you tried to pay your taxes. If they laugh you out of the building, then Mr Paul has nothing to worry about. If they make you pay, then maybe his concerns are justified. I'll be looking forward to your report.

Now let me see if I have this right. You actually want me to go out of my way to visit the Thailand revenue office to ask them if they want me to file a return and pay income taxes on my Social Security pension from the US, and see if they laugh at me or make me pay, right?

Hahahahahaha! You want me to stick my head in the crocodile's mouth and beg the beast to bite it.

In your dreams, Pink.

I challenge you to find and report to us just one verified instance of a foreign expat living in Thailand on a non immigration retirement visa who was prosecuted by the law for failing to file a tax return and pay income taxes on his Social Security pension. You can't get in any potential trouble for that, Pink. Can you do it? If you can, I'll be willing to concede to your Thailand tax expertise.

[Scorchin]

Scorchin, Its generally considered that this is the Thread for stuff unrelated to fucking. You should not bother to read this thread at all. Why waste your time? I don't read many other Threads since their topics are of no use to me and I cannot provide anything useful as well. E. G. I have not been to Pattaya for over 15 years so I don't bother to read that thread.

Arn't half sensitive. I am sure there are other fora where you can indulge in tax discussions.

Just because several of you with all the time in the world topmost daily if not more often I think you unwise to think you own any thread.

The ISG is about sex. General ought to be about general issues of sex. I certainly would not, even were it relevant, look for tax advice here.

But if my gentle suggestion offends, please continue to discuss it. Rather than tax.

[Syzygies]

Do think you guys could start a separate thread on tax in Thailand. Ninety percent of us are not interested and prefer discussing fucking.

Scorchin, Its generally considered that this is the Thread for stuff unrelated to fucking. You should not bother to read this thread at all. Why waste your time? I don't read many other Threads since their topics are of no use to me and I cannot provide anything useful as well. E. G. I have not been to Pattaya for over 15 years so I don't bother to read that thread.

[Dewdrops]

I have a pregnancy fetish. Is there any place where pregnant girls can be found? Bar, street worker, red light area?

[BionicMan]

Do think you guys could start a separate thread on tax in Thailand. Ninety percent of us are not interested and prefer discussing fucking.

There are well over 20 threads about Thailand, a handful of them have "generic but useful" topics, not strictly sex realted. And you are moaning about a doze or two of messages about tax? In the GENERAL thread? What do you want us to talk about in here? Let us know.

[PinkPearl]

well, pink, you have interpreted what you think the law is as applied to my situation, but i am not convinced that i am responsible on my own to file a tax return in thailand, or that i am liable for taxes on the retirement pension i bring into the country to satisfy my daily living requirements.

it is undeniable that, according to the law,"tax residents of thailand" are required to file and pay if anything is owed. according to practice may be another thing, but as no one here is omniscient as to all that happens in los, it cannot be said with certainty that the thai revenue department has never gone after a farang retired expat tax evader for taxes owing on foreign income such as a pension. certainly the thai revenue people have been known to go after other types of tax evaders. moreover, as a poster on a thai visa forum opined:

"not much to laugh about if the tax authorities change their mind how to proceed and those of us (including me) who pay no taxes (as they should according to the law) are prosecuted for tax evasion."

if you are a gambling man & want to take that risk, up to you. others may prefer to play it more safe and abide by the law.

look, i have disclosed to the thai government every fact it needs to know as to my tax liability. what the thai immigration authorities know, the thai government knows, including the tax authorities if they care to know. i've filed my returns in the usa on money i've received there. i receive no monies in thailand, so even on the off chance that i'd have to file a return, i could not be subject to double taxation on the same money and therefore i would have no tax liability.

double taxation may not exempt one from paying taxes to thailand in such a situation, according to the following opinions, but may merely minimize what you owe:

"the provisions of these tax treaties minimize or exempt certain types of income from taxation."

http://www.helplinelaw.com/law/thail...n/taxation.php

"it appears that if i were to pay thai taxes on my expected pension income, thailand would give me credit for the taxes that i would have to pay under us federal income tax system. due to a us-thailand tax treaty. but, i would have to pay additional taxes, which would go to thailand, because its income tax rates are higher than the us."

"almost all double tax agreements contain a clause which entitles the "secondary" tax authority to levy the difference between taxes already paid and taxes due."

"example: if a thai resident earns income 'x' in country 'a' having a double tax agreement with thailand and pays the amount 'y' in country 'a' which is less than thai income tax 'z' then thai tax authorities can levy the difference between 'z' and 'y' assuming 'z' is greater than 'y'."

"that's the legal part. what happens in "real life" might be a different story."

"jailing people for not paying taxes is a favorite weapon of the us government."

now, we hear stories all the time in news about ****s and other foreign criminals who have violated the laws in thailand, but not one single story about a rich farang who now resides in the bangkok hilton for failure to file an income tax return. no farang has complained about such a requirement in any forum that i have read. in short, such a thing is unheard of. so you can cite all these internet laws until you are blue in the face, but if they are never enforced, if no farang is ever arrested and imprisoned on account of them, then there is absolutely no reason to worry about them. it's just a lot of hysterical bullshit over nothing.

that is an excellent point. a very important one that i have addressed above & in a previous post or two.

you seem extremely confident in your position. so you should have no worries about testing it by putting into practice what this guy said:

"try to go and pay tax here in the revenue department and they'll laugh you out of the door if you do not have a work permit."

i would suggest that there are people in your position who do file a thai tax return and some who also even pay income taxes to thailand. just ask some thai tax lawyers. i'm sure they'd know. they have many sites on the internet telling farangs in your position that they may owe taxes, so isn't it naïve to think they'd have no customers interested in staying at peace with thai tax law? i can't wait to hear your report on isg what they told you.

good try at attempting to scare me though. i appreciate your efforts but i'm not exactly quaking in my boots. it's a shame that all this hysteria about phantom tax laws will probably scare mr. paul and others off from enjoying a great retirement experience in thailand. you don't pay income taxes here, neither do i, nor lbm (who incidentally didn't disappear because of a u-turn) , nor any other farang in the kingdom who is here on a nonimmigrant retirement visa and receives no income for sources in thailand.

i challenge you to "put your money where your mouth is", so to speak.

i challenge you to put mr. paul, whoever that is, at ease by going to the thai revenue people & reporting back here that they kicked you out of the building when you tried to pay your taxes. if they laugh you out of the building, then mr paul has nothing to worry about. if they make you pay, then maybe his concerns are justified. i'll be looking forward to your report.

either way, the truth is always going to soil someone's undies. others it will empower to make informed intelligent choices towards the goal of a happy future. so i don't apologize for speaking it. you either speak it or return to the dark ages.

[RBDave]

Visakha Bucha is tomorrow, Friday.

About an hour ago I popped by Bier Gardon for a beer and have a look at this afternoons selection. Not much to hang in the Christmas tree as we use to say in my country. I asked the waitress if they are open tomorrow and she said yes.

Could this really be possible? I thougt the whole city would be dead tomorrow.

You who live or has been here before during holidays, will there be anything open tomorrow. Massage shops, gogo's, SOL?

Massage open, gogos closed. Some bars may be open. Biergarden may be open because it is a restaurant. Also, I heard some discos were open on the last big holiday.

After midnight, some of the street bars might set up shop.

[Daddy07]

Do think you guys could start a separate thread on tax in Thailand. Ninety percent of us are not interested and prefer discussing fucking.

Congratulations, Scorchin! Only 16 posts and Jackson has appointed you moderator of the Thailand General Reports Forum. Now, while you are at it, why don't you follow your own advice? Ninety percent of us are not interested in having a newbie nanny telling us what to write about in the General Reports thread.

[Gmandk]

Visakha Bucha is tomorrow, Friday.

About an hour ago I popped by Bier Gardon for a beer and have a look at this afternoons selection. Not much to hang in the Christmas tree as we use to say in my country. I asked the waitress if they are open tomorrow and she said yes.

Could this really be possible? I thougt the whole city would be dead tomorrow.

You who live or has been here before during holidays, will there be anything open tomorrow. Massage shops, gogo's, SOL?

This is one of the bigger religious holidays so I would expect closure.

I had a Nana girl a couple of days ago and she said they had Friday off.

I lean more towards closure than being open.

[BionicMan]

Point taken, but you should have read a little further into the article where it states:

"Tax is levied as follows: Pensions and retirement pay brought into Thailand."

That is the unanimous opinion of all the Thai legal sites I've seen on the subject as well as the Thai tax law itself, which I've read and previously quoted recently in this thread with a link. You might try reading it sometime, eh?

You should talk to or refer to tax authorities about tax matters, not immigration people. Why should immigration people baby you about matters that don't concern them? When you go to your barber do you seek medical help? .

Well said. Just The same reason why when One enters a country he goes through immigration to see if he is allowed to get into the country, then afterwards, once he can physically enter, he goes through CUSTOMS. British call it customs & excise, others call it customs and revenue, whatever, that is the place where you have the last chance to voluntarily declare anything "too much" before they find it for you, LOL.

Not for nothing the customs forms has to be signed and it is often validated by the immigration officer as an official statement.

All countries have similar rules as they have to cash taxes to survive.

A very basic principle. A they want them unless paid elsewhere.

Countries are not happy one tries to speculate and create his own grey area, not paying neither country.