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  1. #12959
    I will never understand why anyone would sponsor a lady living in a bar district like Pattaya.

    If the lady wants to retire from the biz, she will go home. If she still lives in a bar area, it is to service customers. It's that simple.

    I have fucked ladies who were texting their sponsor. Most ladies have zero loyalty to someone who sends them money.

  2. #12958
    The biggest change for me was in 2017, when I started getting social media addresses from ladies. Before 2017, it was fuck them and forget them, because on my subsequent trip, my previous barfines were mostly long gone from their bars.

    Now, I can repeat with the same ladies over the years. That's one of the reasons why some of my sessions are so good, the ladies are more comfortable with a repeat customer.

    "Customer before" is very powerful for a bargirl. They will escape from their boyfriend and go fuck a customer because they can rationalize it as "customer before".

  3. #12957
    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodilexp  [View Original Post]
    Sir, if you can't see the changes between 2004 and 2019 (except for cellphones and tattoos), you and I must have been visiting two completely different Thailands.
    In 2018 there were many hotties at Lords soapy massage. If I recall, prices were 6000 to 11,000 THB for 90 minutes, much more expensive than what is usually discussed in this forum.

    Were the pre-2004 top flight girls even hotter than the 2018 11,000 THB soapy girls?

  4. #12956
    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodilexp  [View Original Post]
    Sir, if you can't see the changes between 2004 and 2019 (except for cellphones and tattoos), you and I must have been visiting two completely different Thailands.

    Back in the 2000's there was a ton of semi-amateurs who might have dabbled on the scene but had a day job, or reluctant new bargirls who saw it as a stepping stone on a way to something else, perhaps a marriage to a Farang. Post 2015 or so (no sharp cutoff), it's mostly long-time hardened hookers who are unwilling and unable to do any other job.

    Standing advice to newbies back in the day used to be "don't marry a bargirl", these days nobody would even think about doing it. In 2019, even getting a long-time was not too appealing.
    Plenty of hardened bargirls in Pattaya pre-2010. Walking Street was filled with them.

    Conversely, I run into fresh off the bus new ladies all the time, until Covid closed the bars.

  5. #12955
    Quote Originally Posted by Explorer8939  [View Original Post]
    I started coming to Thailand in 2004. The quality of the ladies hasn't changed much, except there is more silicon, tattoos and cell phones.
    Sir, if you can't see the changes between 2004 and 2019 (except for cellphones and tattoos), you and I must have been visiting two completely different Thailands.

    Back in the 2000's there was a ton of semi-amateurs who might have dabbled on the scene but had a day job, or reluctant new bargirls who saw it as a stepping stone on a way to something else, perhaps a marriage to a Farang. Post 2015 or so (no sharp cutoff), it's mostly long-time hardened hookers who are unwilling and unable to do any other job.

    Standing advice to newbies back in the day used to be "don't marry a bargirl", these days nobody would even think about doing it. In 2019, even getting a long-time was not too appealing.

  6. #12954
    Quote Originally Posted by IHeartIpa  [View Original Post]
    In the top tier of Thai society typically either you are connected to the royal family somehow or you're of Chinese decent or mixed Thai / Chinese. I'd guess more than half of the top 0. 1% of wealthy in the country are at least part ethnic Chinese. Until very recently a large % of upper middle class Thais also fell into this category.

    That's why in nearly 10 years I saw maybe 2 Thai Chinese working girls. Extremely rare because you won't find a poor Thai - Chinese person.
    Oh, I found one, sort of. Her father is from China, but is Zuang, not Han Chinese.

    The rich Chinese Thais typically had ancestors who came from Guangdong in the late 19th century, so they typically don't speak Cantonese anymore. They are Chinese genetically, but much of the culture has been lost.

  7. #12953
    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodilexp  [View Original Post]
    Have you been in Thailand prior to 2010?

    In 2020, after tourists stopped coming, girls became increasingly easy to get. Sadly, the numbers and quality of girls on offer to Farang, across all venues (including online like ThaiFriendly) is pathetic compared to 10 years ago. A monger who is happy to choose between scattered remnants of what was there in 2019, which was already a shadow of the previous times, you'll be happy. Those who actually remember the golden times, surely won't.

    A freelancer who was unenthusiastically quoting me 1500 baht in Jan 2020 was begging me to go for 500 in October. What good is that when she has tats, monster eyebrows and an unattractive vibe, so I wouldn't go with her anyway, and she was the best looking one still available?

    I do agree, however, than June-Nov 2020 was pretty the best time for Bangkok freelancers since 2014 or so. After the Mahachai wave in December, not so much.
    I started coming to Thailand in 2004. The quality of the ladies hasn't changed much, except there is more silicon, tattoos and cell phones.

    Of course, now with no customers, the ladies are eager to please. It is possible that one big difference is the lack of availability of local men, apart from customers. The number of random Thai men hanging around is small, and many ladies don't have cash to support a man. So, I suspect some ladies that visit me actually horny. Some complain about not having sex for a long, long time time.

    If women thought like men, they could just go down to a homeless shelter or food donation area and give a guy a couple of hundred baht for a quickie, but it doesn’t work like that.

  8. #12952
    When I was last in Bangkok around 2018 I thought the Soapy Massages. Poseidon, Emmanuel, etc. Had plenty of excellent options.

  9. #12951

    I agree with you about this

    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodilexp  [View Original Post]
    Have you been in Thailand prior to 2010?

    In 2020, after tourists stopped coming, girls became increasingly easy to get. Sadly, the numbers and quality of girls on offer to Farang, across all venues (including online like ThaiFriendly) is pathetic compared to 10 years ago. A monger who is happy to choose between scattered remnants of what was there in 2019, which was already a shadow of the previous times, you'll be happy. Those who actually remember the golden times, surely won't.

    A freelancer who was unenthusiastically quoting me 1500 baht in Jan 2020 was begging me to go for 500 in October. What good is that when she has tats, monster eyebrows and an unattractive vibe, so I wouldn't go with her anyway, and she was the best looking one still available?

    I do agree, however, than June-Nov 2020 was pretty the best time for Bangkok freelancers since 2014 or so. After the Mahachai wave in December, not so much.
    I wasn't coming here from about 1995 to 2012 and can't compare Pattaya today to pre-Covid times because I have not gone there to monger in at least a year. But the pickins' are extremely slim for doable P4P girls in Bangkok these days, and I'm certainly not talking about body weight. Good new girls are a rare find. More difficult than it has ever been.

    Sure, getting them cheaper is easier. But my god they are pathetic at their job. And it isn't that the girls showing up lately are new to the game. They are not. Just bad at the job even under supposedly significant economic pressure to find a customer and repeat with him.

    And the few remaining "lookers" are still the worst. I get multiple Line messages every day from one of the best lookers that gathers nightly outside of Thermae begging for a repeat. She would have to pay me to repeat that dreary experience.

    But my favorite repeats from pre-Covid times are still winners for me, thankfully. And I am dating more non P4P girls who come through like champs in the sack.

  10. #12950
    Quote Originally Posted by Explorer8939  [View Original Post]
    I have been to Thailand many times over the years, but there has never been a better time than this.
    Have you been in Thailand prior to 2010?

    In 2020, after tourists stopped coming, girls became increasingly easy to get. Sadly, the numbers and quality of girls on offer to Farang, across all venues (including online like ThaiFriendly) is pathetic compared to 10 years ago. A monger who is happy to choose between scattered remnants of what was there in 2019, which was already a shadow of the previous times, you'll be happy. Those who actually remember the golden times, surely won't.

    A freelancer who was unenthusiastically quoting me 1500 baht in Jan 2020 was begging me to go for 500 in October. What good is that when she has tats, monster eyebrows and an unattractive vibe, so I wouldn't go with her anyway, and she was the best looking one still available?

    I do agree, however, than June-Nov 2020 was pretty the best time for Bangkok freelancers since 2014 or so. After the Mahachai wave in December, not so much.

  11. #12949
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleBigMan  [View Original Post]
    On a personal note the way the Thailand leaders got their head up the ass of the CCP they shouldn't get any help from the USA Regardless if they are the oldest partner. The reality is they aren't any longer and no matter how much the USA Helps blood is thicker than water since many Thai leaders openly have stated in the past the Chinese are their brothers. While the Thai leaders were buying the CCP Sinovac months back and still Sinopham they don't have the balls to say it isn't effective if they do there goes their bullet train and future submarine deal..
    In the top tier of Thai society typically either you are connected to the royal family somehow or you're of Chinese decent or mixed Thai / Chinese. I'd guess more than half of the top 0. 1% of wealthy in the country are at least part ethnic Chinese. Until very recently a large % of upper middle class Thais also fell into this category.

    That's why in nearly 10 years I saw maybe 2 Thai Chinese working girls. Extremely rare because you won't find a poor Thai - Chinese person.

  12. #12948
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleBigMan  [View Original Post]
    On a personal note the way the Thailand leaders got their head up the ass of the CCP they shouldn't get any help from the USA Regardless if they are the oldest partner. The reality is they aren't any longer and no matter how much the USA Helps blood is thicker than water since many Thai leaders openly have stated in the past the Chinese are their brothers.
    This pretty much sums it up: https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/t...t-dirty-farang.

  13. #12947
    I have been to Thailand many times over the years, but there has never been a better time than this.

    The ladies have few customers, and a lot have lost boyfriends due to lack of cash. So the ladies are eager to please, and some are dick starved. And very polite "can I suck your dick now? I line them up, and they come to my place, most come early (I don't miss the bars, talking to other Farangs, or any of that social stuff). In exchange, I get ladies fucking my face with their pussies while another lady does cowgirl on my dick. Just about every day.

  14. #12946
    Quote Originally Posted by Franciscass  [View Original Post]
    I'm usually a glass half full optimist but living here and experiencing firsthand the keystone cops fiasco of the past 6 months does not give me confidence that Thailand will be anywhere close to normal even by the first quarter of '22. Procurement of vaccines is mired in red tape and other shenanigans and assuming a level of 70% fully vaccinated requirement to reach herd immunity it will be well into '22 before that happens. That said I feel it's not all doom and gloom because economic circumstances will force the powers that be to reopen the country sooner albeit to nothing like it was precovid. A lot seems to be riding on how well the "sandbox" experiment in Phuket pans out. Question is what will this look like to those arriving for the ladies and what will the availability be of said ladies. P4P is not going away, not here or anywhere else so it's becomes a question of quantity, quality and price. I personally feel there will no issue with quantity, even under present conditions, with bars and clubs etc closed some members are managing to entertain 2, 3 even 4 ladies a day. Price will reflect demand. The very top tier providers will still be expensive but the median price will be lower for the foreseeable future. That leaves quality and here I am not so upbeat. This as most of us who have lived here for some time will know attractiveness less so service has been going in the wrong direction for years. Lots of reasons are put forward to explain this, my own sense is that many of the best lookers as soon as they get their bearings go overseas where the pickings while not easier are more bountiful. Those that stay though are for me still some of the most beautiful and affectionate working ladies on the planet.
    This is a pretty good assessment of the situation here in Thailand. I think if you come here to stay long-term (3 months or more), then it could still be worthwhile to get to Thailand; assuming that all you cared about was straight-to-the-point P4 P inside your room all day (and nothing else). But if you need all that other extra stuff besides the P4 P (nightlife atmosphere, social crowds, etc.), then you are better off staying back in your home country. And in my opinion, anything less than 3 months would not be worth it.

    Based on my own perspective of the bureaucracy here in Thailand, I had previously predicted a mid-year '22 timeframe of when things could start to get back to normal. After this 3rd wave of Covid here in Thailand, that prediction might be considered optimistic on my part. But I'll stick with that prediction for now and still say that things will start looking up again for Thailand when the requirement to wear facemasks is no longer there. This will be my gauge of when things are returning to normalcy.

  15. #12945
    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodilexp  [View Original Post]
    I share your attitude, but spoiler alert, we will fuck it up.

    The future of our hobby is grim. Demand will be there, a steady stream of horny punters with all the pent up sperm is inevitable. On the supply side, numbers and quality of providers was already in serious decline before Covid, and will go down even further given how anyone who could find a way out of the profession during the crisis already did. Increase awareness and paranoia about new health risks will seriously diminish the attractiveness of entering the business, thin out the already dwindling girls, make service worse (good luck finding DFD), and give the authorities one more reason to crack down.
    What you need and I imagine most mongers have is a stable of regulars. True allot went home and will probably never come back. I get text everyday. When you come back. ASAP dear when practical. Also remember how many thousands are turning 18 everyday that want to give it a try. Over the year's new ones have always showed up either as freelancers or Go-Go bars Supply will always return. In a few years maybe less we will be back to normal, maybe not the girls you once knew but a whole new group. Variety is the spice of life. Stay positive.

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