General Reports

[Tonedog]

Good to know that a few of you had flown with Air Asia, and found the ticketing process satisfactory. I will make sure my carry-on does not exceed the 15 kg limit.

I will be flying directly (from what I understand on the website) from Macau to BKK, so there's no transfer/transit, so it should be an easy and relatively quick 2. 5 hr plane ride to Suvarn Airport, then directly to Pattaya on the AC bus. Can't wait. He he he

The only thing is, I will be there in Dec, which means shit-load of other tourists and fellow "hunters", so the picking must be thin and prices at the upper end, hence no chance for bargains. Oh well

Tonedog

[Lama Di Bali]

once again the mongers with a predilection to ****philia cry foul!

it is they, the deviates, who are the victims of laws designed to protect children from men like them.

i have no problems with sex with girls who are old enough to make the decision whether they sell themselves or not.

you can debate the age of consent until you are blue in the face (my country for example it's 16) but don't go trying to tell me an 8 year old is fair game.

[PinkPearl]

I know nothing of such things, but my middle class Thai friends say the baht has reached its peak and should decline over the next year or so. Factors to which they refer include the election/political change, and the bad economy in Thailand.

I was wondering with the election upcuming it might coincide with a decline in the Baht and a good time to exchange Canadian dollars. A couple days ago I got about 35 to the loonie, yet did not buy much since I could not open a bank account to stash it, not having the required work permit or letter from a consulate.

[Professor 1]

How did it come to be that 18 is the magical age at which sex would be okay?

U.S. law is very clear on this topic. A U.S. citizen cannot engage in relations with anyone younger than 18 while outside the U.S. As a practical matter, one would be advised not to take pictures if age may be at issue. Even if you win at trial, you will lose thousands of dollars in your defense.

[Blunderer]

my point is that one should be cautious. it seems that one can be prosecuted in the us under us law for actions in a foreign country even if those actions are legal in that foreign country.

the us has a bit of a reputation for that sort of thing... in a thread recently in the philippines section, someone was asking 'why do all korean's hate all us citizens - they owe us etc' * that is as may be, but, the americans will be rarely thanked for going somewhere and imposing their will by either economic or military might, whether what they are doing it for what they judge to be moral reasons or not. (even as a child we were all taught that might does not make right). this arrogance (and i think we can safely call it arrogance - defiance of the un, extraordinary rendition... not to mention further back, the cia being instrumental in overthrowing certain governments) has now spread to its own citizens (i mean the government is arrogant, not all the citizens). as far as i know, there is only one western country in the world that restricts where its own people can travel - and that is the us (cuba). that the electorate puts up with it is a constant source of amazement to me. howard marks had a bit of a rant about it in his book - something to do with passports, and something about (paraphrasing) 'the us government prosecuting a non us citizen for doing naughty things with non us passports on non us territory, and not planning to use said passports for traveling to the us" - the subtext was, anything connected to the drug trade anywhere was ultimately for our big us brothers to sort out.

all that being said, ****philia is a bit of a different fish to all that, and, without googling at all, i recall an agreement from a while back between the cambodian and various western governments (including but not limited to germany, uk, us, australia). the logic behind it was that the cambo police might have the ability to sniff out some ****philia, but lack the funding to properly prosecute it. they would stamp the offender's passport with "deported for sexual deviancy" and leave the foreign government to deal with it. i assume the programme is still running, but i've no idea how the details work - ie, collection of evidence etc. i don't think of this as an altogether bad idea.

i'd also be fascinated to know how this whole photo thing at us customs works. photos of someone who might be under 18 in a possibly compromising position that just happen to be in someone's possession can hardly constitute anything beyond reasonable doubt - so what happens? are you then bound over while further investigations take place? how long can you be held for?

with regard to being prosecuted for actions in a foreign nation that weren't illegal there, but would be in the us, i've never heard of american's doing that (as policy anyway). if an american goes to amsterdam and smokes it up, then comes back with lots of photos of themselves smoking, can they be prosecuted for it? is it only select laws that the us gov't tries to enforce amongst its citizens outside its own borders? if i am a foreign citizen and got to a country where the age of consent it 16, do the business then fly to the us can i be prosecuted for statutory [CodeWord123]? if a us citizen does the same
can they? what if it is a 16 yo prostitute where 16 yo's are allowed to be prostitutes?

* my first thought after reading that was, it probably isn't all americans that they hate, just the ones who go around with the attitude that they are owed something. americans, like any other group, are a mix of absolute fuckstains and the best people you could ever hope to meet. koreans, like any other group, are a mix of absolute fuckstains and the best people you could ever hope to meet.

i realize these are touchy subjects, so no offense is intended for anyone unless they happen to be a fan of current us policy, but i've not met anyone who's been outside the us who is a fan, so, my guess is i am pretty safe in that respect

[Yankee 617]

Sex with children is just not acceptable. Not. Ever.

I guess I would take a more nuanced view.

When I was 15-16, I was enjoying sex with girls my age (14-16 mostly, but one was 18) and I don't feel that I was being exploited, nor do I feel that I was exploiting anyone. In fact, I don't feel that what I was doing is wrong.

How did it come to be that 18 is the magical age at which sex would be okay?

A few centuries ago, people were marrying at 13 (and typically dying at 30). This had some basis in the biological fact of puberty. Somehow, as our health care improved (control of sewage & drinking water, antibiotics) our life span grew as did the time we spent in school. Along with this came the idea that teenagers (since they were no longer middle-aged) were too irresponsible for many things: like drinking, driving, voting, soldiering, and sex.

Yeah, I don't think is cool for some 50-year-old fart to be screwing around with some 6-year-old tot... I think its downright wierd for the 50-year-old to have such desires and the 6-year-old probably needs protection. But in 10 years time its not surprising or wierd to me that the now-60-year-old would be attracted to the now-16-year-old... and while some 16-year-old kids may need protection, others do not as they are quite capable of making adult desisions. I know I felt capable of making adult decisions when I was 15... even now as an over-50-year-old guy I think I was capable of adult decisions when I was 15.

I don't think its possible to name a single age that applies well for everyone, in every culture, throughout the world. But if I were to name a single age that I think is appropriate in the majority of cases, I would say that 15 seems about right and 18 seems too high. I just don't know how 18 came to be the magical age.

That said, I personally have no interest in girls younger than about 19... and 21-25 would probably be my most preferred age range for a short-term relationship. For a longer-term relationship, I'd want a somewhat older young woman -- perhaps about 30. But I can see how others could be attracted to at least some 15-year-old girls... its the same simple biology that makes post-menopausal women less appealing: guys are attracted to girls/women that can bear children.

[Rebad]

asian girls look a lot younger then they really are we all know that. i have had during my years in asian country’s many surprises in this field, thinking the kid looks like 18 or so, asking there id and they turn out to be 23 or 25.

the big problem is that if you are on the picture together with the young kids how can you prove to the cops at home she is 23 and its mainly hard when the shot is taken under sexy circumstances.

my point of view is, i never take pictures with to young looking kids, even with our without your own face on it.

john euro

editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here for more information.

what we need is a mongers model release form.
you could also take a picture of her id and have it available if ice wants to hastle you.

i would love to see that play out.

ice: these girls look ****, i think we have a problem here.
me: sorry to bust your bubble, yes im a perve who like to take pictures, however the id of the girl you see naked says she is 23 years. step off!

[Yankee 617]

what's your point yankee?

i'm neither condoning nor condeming the accused in this article.

my point is that one should be cautious. it seems that one can be prosecuted in the us under us law for actions in a foreign country even if those actions are legal in that foreign country. moreover, i was amazed to see that they are trying to make the creation or possession of certain fake images illegal. at that rate, doodling on a napkin could be a crime. talk about the long arm of the law! anyway, i know that lots of guys on isg enjoy taking photos and posting them... i'm just suggesting that they be very careful. if someone finds your photos and takes offense, you could find yourself before a judge who says "yup, sure looks **** to me. lock him up!" and all your protests that she's really 19, you saw her id, will be worthless. is the photo really worth it?

personally, i do not own a camera and articles like this help reduce my desire to buy one. if i can't simply remember my experiences, i guess i'll be forced to repeat them :-).

[Lama Di Bali]

I've used Air Asia several times and have never had any problems with the booking or ticketing process.

One thing to bear in mind is that it is essentially a point-to-point airline, and it has several separate companies under the name, ie, it has Thai, Malaysian and Indonesian components and you have to book each sector separately.

I would use them again for a point-to-point flight, but never again between Bali and Bangkok return. It was a giant hassle trying to figure out connections.

I had to fly Bali. KL, clear customs and immigration in KL, check in again with all that hassle for the KL. Bangkok leg. The same coming back.

What's more the connections are not that great. A four hour layover in KL on the outward trip and a seven hour stop coming back. It just wasn't worth the hundred bucks or so I saved rather than fly direct with either Thai or Garuda.

Also, be warned, that they are really fierce with the 15kg baggage allowance and you WILL get charged if you're over, even by a kilo or two. Or anyway, that was the experience of all the people I was queuing with.

[John Euro]

what i don't get is how they could determine that the photos were of "**** and teenage girls in bangkok". anyway, photos may be fun.- but they can also be dangerous.

it’s a good point to consider

if you get caught with sex explicit pictures with " **** looking girls " include possession of drugs at the same time your in big trouble of course, at least for the drugs and mainly in the us, it is not with disrespect for us guy’s but my question is how can these hypocrite us cops judge from the pictures only if the girls are **** or whatever if they have no knowledge of asian culture or never been there, having your laptop full with sexy or porn pictures is no problem in europe or at customs as long if they don’t catch you for something else that is not allowed and then use these picture as additional evidence that you are a criminal or bad guy. a question also is what is the difference between a sexy picture or porn? i have hear and widely read enough story’s from guys having a search trough there laptop when entering the us after being in asia, never hear about that in europe and never experienced myself.

asian girls look a lot younger then they really are we all know that. i have had during my years in asian country’s many surprises in this field, thinking the kid looks like 18 or so, asking there id and they turn out to be 23 or 25.

age prove example, chinese girls can look very young and they always lie about there age (even thai) they telling you they are older than they actually are to get access to clubs and job’s and they can play with two years differ at it, i keep a little horoscope calculation list with me and ask them under which chinese horoscope she is born to make sure, and they don’t lie about that one: if she say’s she is 20 y and is born under the snake, that’s 1989 so she is only 18 and so on. i don’t know if that kind of calculation exist for thai also, not easy to prove there age as not all girls are carry a id with them all the time or difficult to read, embarrassing to ask it the first moment you meet. last week, i have seen several girls in spice girls at soi cowboy, looking so petit and skinny, they could have been by looks easily 12 or 14 years old.

the big problem is that if you are on the picture together with the young kids how can you prove to the cops at home she is 23 and its mainly hard when the shot is taken under sexy circumstances.

my point of view is, i never take pictures with to young looking kids, even with our without your own face on it.

john euro

editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here for more information.

[ThaiLearner]

Thanks for your feedback regarding Air Asia.

I do find the online prices on Air Asia flights tend to be very reasonable. My only concern is that I have seldom used online booking for flights. So I'm being a little more careful.

Certainly, if I could find a ticket from an agent at a similar price, I will opt for that. It just feels much more secure when you have a tix in your hand with a confirmation

i find it easier to book on line you do not get any hassle of the agent trying to sell you something else

[Opebo]

I am wondering if now is a good time to buy some, or maybe a lot, of Thai Baht...

I know nothing of such things, but my middle class Thai friends say the baht has reached its peak and should decline over the next year or so. Factors to which they refer include the election/political change, and the bad economy in Thailand.

[Raverboy]

Thanks for your feedback regarding Air Asia.

I do find the online prices on Air Asia flights tend to be very reasonable. My only concern is that I have seldom used online booking for flights. So I'm being a little more careful.

Certainly, if I could find a ticket from an agent at a similar price, I will opt for that. It just feels much more secure when you have a tix in your hand with a confirmation

Speaking from someone who has booked online numerous times with Air Asia (and other carriers), I'd dare say its mostly psychological. By the way, you do get a confirmation number when you book online with them.

[1Ball]

on the other hand, Old Thai Hand, (hehehe), I have heard the girls prefer the old farts. They go to bed early, don't boom2 all night, (except for me, of course), and the girls don't have to work so hard.
A young stud might drag the girl out drinking all night, then take her back to his cave and "slam" her for hours, when all she wants to do is sleep.

[Old Thai Hand]

Hi everyone,

I'm planning on travelling to Bangkok, Thailand early next year and I have a bit of an odd question.

I'm quite young, 19, and was wondering how I would be treated at all the bars. Just to clarify what I mean, it's my understanding that most of the girls target mature men as perhaps they would be more wealthy.

I don't mean any disrespect by this question, just something I hoped somebody could shed some light on. Thanks guys.

Make the rounds and spend a bit of cash and you'll probably be mobbed by the girls, if for no other reason than your youth (they are young women afterall) because I'm sure they'd like a change of pace from all the old farts they have to shag.