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**Gaienmae** · 09-23-07 10:49

Originally Posted by Jungle Bluebird

Not sure how you can compare Thais to Japanese. During a recent Tokyo visit I did not see phone wires hanging in the trees :-)

JB

Oddly enought, when visiting Bangkok for the first time (after many years of Japan) one of the first things that occured to me was "OMG, they seem to have got their utility wire laying techniques from the Japanese", i.e. string it all (telecoms, power) up on a pole and hope it doesn't fall down.

Thailand reminded me of what Japan might have been like if, after WWII, they'd said "screw the high-intensity economic growth, let's sit back and party!".

**AsiaTraveler2** · 09-23-07 10:15

Originally Posted by jungle bluebird

yes, all nice enough people, but by god, when they are upset, i.e. the no speech treatment, it may take month for them to somewhat return to 'normal'.

lol! i have seen the "no speech treatment" by many people and all races, and for longer than a month. i do understand that everyone's experiences are different. we can also look at the same event and have very different interpretations, since bias/perception affects what we see. i don't think it's good to put anyone of any race, in a position where they lose face. so it's really a non issue for me.

appreciate the comment.

thanks!
at2

**Jungle Bluebird** · 09-23-07 07:26

at2

feel the need to comment here. yes no one likes to be embarrassed, particularly not in front of others.

however, i found thai's tend to interpret the loss of face however it fits their current agenda. not sure how long you 've been in thailand, but you will find that lower class thai's in particular, are thick as wood when it comes to emotional intelligence.

yes, all nice enough people, but by god, when they are upset, i.e. the no speech treatment, it may take month for them to somewhat return to 'normal'.

also need to be careful. at times these type of people make it their mission, as a response, to hurt you bad. newspapers are full of documented crime of passion.

i've given up long ago to ask the big 'why'. it's part of thai character so best is to try to avoid any confrontation.

jb

Originally Posted by asiatraveler2

i always hear asians and the concept of "losing face" brought up as a golden rule. in my experience, "losing face" is a universal concept. i see it applied in japan, china, thailand and korea and i also see it applied in the u.s., europe and south america. have you seen anyone anywhere who enjoyed losing face? how about your bosses, loved one's, business associates, and friends?

i understand these concepts get passed on from person to person and they become some unwritten rule, but most often, i find people are people. we all have pride, we all love sex and we all love money. at least to some degree. keep an open mind where ever you go, treat people like individuals and not a stereotype, and you will have a good time and make new friends.

at2

**AsiaTraveler2** · 09-23-07 01:53

Originally Posted by Msands

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Now Asian chicks may be more subdued before boning, but if you connect they will go wild in bed and take care of your needs 200%. Just treat em nice and they will more than return the favor. BTW, its really important that you know that Thai's are big into 'preserving face', thus don't embarass a girl in front of other girls or you will miss out big time. Let us know how you make out in Thai! Must get a soapy massage.

I always hear Asians and the concept of "losing face" brought up as a Golden rule. In my experience, "losing face" is a universal concept. I see it applied in Japan, China, Thailand and Korea and I also see it applied in the U.S., Europe and South America. Have you seen anyone anywhere who enjoyed losing face? How about your bosses, loved one's, business associates, and friends?

I understand these concepts get passed on from person to person and they become some unwritten rule, but most often, I find people are people. We all have pride, we all love sex and we all love money. At least to some degree. Keep an open mind where ever you go, treat people like individuals and not a stereotype, and you will have a good time and make new friends.

AT2

**Daddy07** · 09-22-07 20:33

I suppose there are more ways than one to acquire a Thai long-stay non-immigrant type “O-A” retirement visa, but after much thought and consideration, I decided to apply for one in my home country at the Royal Thai Consulate General’s office in Chicago. It’s a good thing I started my planning early because I encountered frustrating bureaucratic problems at every turn. Let me explain:

The Pattaya Expats Club has excellent information and advice about Thai visas on their web site: http://www.pattayaexpatsclub.com/. They invite inquiries by e-mail, but don’t bother trying because if you have any questions they will not be answered. I discovered that after contacting them several times but receiving no replies. The site suggests that the Thai Consulate in Denver is the most helpful for obtaining visas, but they wouldn’t help me because I don’t reside in Colorado. So I finally ended up on the Chicago web site: http://www.thaichicago.net/ where I found rather cryptic and contradictory information along with downloadable visa forms and applications. They invite questions by e-mail as well but never reply.

So I copied all the instructions, information, and downloaded the forms. First, I needed to fill them out properly with my personal information, including the name of a “sponsor” in Thailand. WTF, I don’t know anyone in Thailand except bar girls and I don’t even know their real names. What to do? Luckily, I remembered the American guy who owned the hotel where I stayed at last time. I e-mailed him and he gave me permission to use his name. I also had to list an address where I would be living in Thailand. Geez, I didn’t know where in the hell that would be and I still don’t know yet. So I just listed that same hotel’s address.

Now I had to go to Wal-Mart and get 3 passport sized photos taken. No problems with that --piece of cake. Next, I had to come up with a notarized certificate from my local police authority to the effect that I have no criminal record. After calls to the county prosecutor’s office, the district court, and finally the state police department, I was told that I would have to come down to the station in person to be fingerprinted and fill out an application to be sent to the state capitol central office for a records search. What a fucking indignity! I’ve never been fingerprinted before. Now I have. I asked the cop how much this would all cost, and he said, “There is no fee.” Gee, that’s nice, I thought.

So I sent the stuff to the state capital, and eight days later it all came back to me, with no certificate, but only a notice that: “There is a $30 fee for this service.” Shit. (They couldn’t have just held it and called me about sending them the money … oh no, they had to send it all back and make me send it to them again just to satisfy their irrational bureaucratic bullshit). So I wrote out the check, stuffed it all back in a new envelope, paid the postage again and sent it off. Eight days later I had my notarized certificate from the director of state police that says I’m not a crook.

Meanwhile, I was also required to come up with another notarized sealed certificate from a medical doctor proclaiming that I’m not afflicted with “elephantitus, third stage syphilis, tuberculosis, or any other disgusting disease.” So I called my family Dr.’s office and the nurse told me to send in the form and he would sign it, have it notarized, sealed, and send it back to me without having to come in for a visit. Gee, that’s nice and convenient, I thought, as I sent him the form. A week later the nurse is on the phone telling me the “Dr. will sign this form but he wants to see me first.” “Oh, come on,” I protested. “He’s been treating me for years, and now he has to see me again just to certify that I don’t have any disgusting diseases?” “I’m afraid so,” she replied, “Sorry I told you different before,” and then she scheduled the appointment two weeks hence. “Dr. will sign it then and you’ll have it before you leave,” she insisted. Shit, I thought. I know why he needs to see me. How else is he going to collect his $70 for an office visit? So two weeks later, I go see my Dr, who pats me on the back, laughs and jokes about my wanting to go to Thailand, takes my blood pressure, and signs the form, which essentially says that I am not a public health hazard to the kingdom of Thailand.. Then he goes to get it notarized and comes back and says: “Guess what? The person who notarizes stuff for me is not here today. It’s her day off. I’ll give it to her to notarized next Monday, and then she’ll send it to you in the mail, OK?” “Yeah, OK,” I said. (Shit!) A week later I had the certificate.

Next, I had to come up with certified copies of my latest brokerage statements together with a notarized and sealed letter of guarantee from the financial institution that I have the required amounts of money in my accounts to qualify for a retirement visa. So I e-mailed my brokerage firm with the request. No reply. I e-mailed them again. No reply. Again, and finally a response advising that “We’ve never done that before and can’t do it.” (Shit!) So, after several desperate calls, they tell me that they can send me copies of my statements but they have no form for a guarantee letter so their attorney advises them not to do it. The Thai Consulate provided no such form either. What to do?
Well, I just drafted my own form. I just made it up to look like an official form from the Thai Consulate complete with blanks to be filled in with all the necessary information, etc., then scanned it and sent it as an e-mail attachment to the brokerage with another request. A week later… Viola!!! They call and tell me they will fill it out, notarize it, seal it and send it to me. Ten days later, I have the documents.

OK. Now I’m finally ready to send my application with all the necessary documentation as well as my passport to the Thai Consulate with the appropriate $50 fee in the form of a money order or certified cashiers bank check. (They don’t take personal checks or credit card orders like most civilized businesses … Oh, no … they are a bureaucracy. And, twice on the web site they said the fee is $50 for this visa). Oh yes, and it must be sent by certified mail, return receipt requested along with a self addressed envelope for the return of the documents to me with all the required pre-paid postage for certified mail. So, I get it all together and take it to the post office. Off it goes. After all that has gone wrong so far I’m mighty queasy about sending my passport away in the mail. I might not ever see it again, and there goes my trip to LOS. This should only take about 10 days, I figured – no more than 5 business days at the Thai Consulate according to the information on the web site plus mailing time.

Two weeks elapse -- nothing in the mail. So I go to usps.com in the Internet to track the letter, and find that it took 6 days for a certified letter just to go the 250 miles to Chicago. Six fucking days!! Oh, well, I thought – It’ll be here any day now. Another week goes by – nothing in the mail. Just as I’m about to call the Consulate, my phone rings, and it’s a secretary at the Thai Consulate. “We have your visa application,” she politely intoned, “however; the fee for this visa is $60.” “But your web site says $50 twice,” I replied. “It’s $60” she said. “OK,” I answered, “If you just hold it there for me, I’ll send you a certified check for $10 immediately tomorrow morning by priority mail. “We can do that,” she said. “Thank you,” says I. (Shit! But at least I know my application has been approved, all is in order, and I’m sure to get the visa now, I thought) So the next day I’m at the post office again, spending another $6.42 to send a $10 check after a visit to my bank make sure it is certified. Five days later – 28 day after sending for it -- I finally have my visa.

Now, I suppose I could have just shown up in Thailand with no visa at all on a 30 day entry permit, and applied for a long stay visa in Pattaya. That was one option. But then I would have been required to show the immigration officer a return airline ticket within 30 days and I would not have had that. I might have been denied entry into Thailand right then and there at the airport, and I was not about to take that risk. I would also have to show immigration that I had sufficient money in the bank in Thailand for at least three months, and I could not do that either. So my application in Thailand might have been denied. What then? Perhaps I could have applied for a simple 60 day tourist visa in the US, and then changed it to a long stay visa in Pattaya. So many choices. So much red tape. So much to think worry about. So many potential problems and pitfalls. That’s government for you. There here to help us they always say.

But now at least I have the peace of mind to know that I can go to Thailand in just 3 more weeks and stay as long as I like. It’s been a long and painful odyssey. Sure hope my experience will save some of you guys some of the same trouble. Now I simply need to relax. I need some pussy. I’m sure it will all be worth it.

Regards,
Daddy

**Dinghy** · 09-18-07 14:40

The beach is much better over in Jomtien. 10B ride on the bahtbus from the corner of South and Second - if they are going that way - get one that's "going" - the guys sitting there try to stick you for 50

**Rodeo9112** · 09-16-07 22:16

Thanks alot guys for not giving me the typical RTFF newbie responses. Great insight and now I have a couple of jumping off points. I may use Thailand as my first trip with one of my buddies. He's Asian and has been trying to explain to me the finer qualities of his women. I'm definitely going, just for the experience, so, we'll see. I'm looking forward to it and thanks again for your help!

Rodeo

**Msands** · 09-15-07 23:26

Hey Rodeo,

Saw your post and this and wanted to give you some info since you helped with me with Panama. First off, I've never been to Thai but spent lots of time in HK, KL and Singapore (many Thai's there too). I too am most fond of Colombianas/Venezolanas/Equadorianas. I still think they are the hottest women on the planet -- both physically and performance wise.

But Asians have their own special appeal. If you go to HK or Sing, you will see some absolute Thai hotties. Some of them will be really curvy, full figured and voluptious. Also, two of the best chicks I've ever had were a Vietnamese and a Cambodian. I've heard Pattaya is just a ***** party everywhere, plus you have beach in the daytime.

Now Asian chicks may be more subdued before boning, but if you connect they will go wild in bed and take care of your needs 200%. Just treat em nice and they will more than return the favor. BTW, its really important that you know that Thai's are big into 'preserving face', thus don't embarass a girl in front of other girls or you will miss out big time. Let us know how you make out in Thai! Must get a soapy massage.

**El Greco** · 09-14-07 13:51

If you are not prepared to try a different world Thailand will not be good for you.

There is not comparison between Latinas and Thais. If you prefer the only one being that both are having tits and pussies.
Latinas are energetic, enthusiastic, full of fun and they will not only fuck your body but your brains too if they like you.

Thais, as AT2 said, are mostly on the shy side. You have to be initiative but will treat you as an emperor at times. eg getting with you in the bathtub, washing you, giving you a massage and full service afterwards in the soapies.
Something you can not easily get in Latin America.

But they are very clean and have perfect skin and nice & clean saved pussies.

Also not black or blond pussies there unless you hit an eastern European beauty somewhere.

My two centavos amigo.

El Greco

**Hotman 666** · 09-14-07 13:43

Hi Rodeo,

I have travelled in SE Asia and S. America quite a lot over the last 20 years or so and love them both.

Yes the countries and girls are very different and almost impossible to compare but even within S. America it is allmost impossible to compare Chile with say Brazil or Venezuela!.

Please do not think that ALL Thai girls are very slim with few curves. There are many with “outstanding” figures, either real or silicone so I do not think you will have problems finding ones that meet your specification.

Of course you will not find many blue eyed blondes in Thailand but then again there are now quite a few Eastern European girls working there, mostly to satisfy the Asian punters.

Regarding the best cities for a first visit I would recommend Bangkok and Pattaya. Not that I think that these are necessarily the best cities in Thailand but as a first timer it will give you a good insight into the Thai scene with minimal traveling!
For a relaxing few days Chang Mai and the north can be interesting. Chang Mai is Thailand’s 2nd city but only around 1/40th the size of Bangkok.

My advice is go with an open mind and I will take a bet that you will enjoy Thailand just as much as S. America. I know I do!!

Enjoy,

Hotman.

**AsiaTraveler2** · 09-14-07 09:02

Originally Posted by Rodeo9112

Hey, I'm thinking of taking my first trip to Asia (Thailand) soon. I am ready to do my own research, but I'm just trying to figure out where to start. Can anyone give me their opinion on the 2 top cities in Thailand (and why) so I can go from there? I'm not typically into Asian women, so I'the prefer an area where I can find Asian (or other) girls with some meat on their bones. Not fat, but just nice juicy assess and tits, like the Colombianas and Dominicans I have become so fond of in Latin America! Also, if there is a place in Thailand that has girls from all over the world, that would be great too. Thanks! By the way, I always pay back info provided with great reports. Check out my reports on Bogota and Panama City, Panama!

Rodeo

Rodeo9112,

You may end up disappointed, if you are not into Asian woman and are into the Latin American woman. They are so different, that if you like one type, you may not like the other. I'm the other way around. I love Asian woman and only spend minimal time in Central and South America. I prefer the Asian models! Sleek, shy, but very lovable and loving. LOL!

There are some options, so I hope someone with that expertise can help you out.

AT2

**Rodeo9112** · 09-14-07 00:12

Hey, I'm thinking of taking my first trip to Asia (Thailand) soon. I am ready to do my own research, but I'm just trying to figure out where to start. Can anyone give me their opinion on the 2 top cities in Thailand (and why) so I can go from there? I'm not typically into Asian women, so I'the prefer an area where I can find Asian (or other) girls with some meat on their bones. Not fat, but just nice juicy assess and tits, like the Colombianas and Dominicans I have become so fond of in Latin America! Also, if there is a place in Thailand that has girls from all over the world, that would be great too. Thanks! By the way, I always pay back info provided with great reports. Check out my reports on Bogota and Panama City, Panama!

Rodeo

**NicFrenchy** · 09-10-07 10:50

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**NicFrenchy** · 09-10-07 04:20

Originally Posted by Jungle Bluebird

Not sure how you can compare Thais to Japanese. During a recent Tokyo visit I did not see phone wires hanging in the trees :-)

JB

Hahahahaha quite right.

**Jungle Bluebird** · 09-09-07 14:42

Not sure how you can compare Thais to Japanese. During a recent Tokyo visit I did not see phone wires hanging in the trees :-)

JB

Originally Posted by Sanook D

You could substitute "Japanese" for "Thai" above and still be pretty close to the mark. The cultural similarities are astonishing, and what is especially astonishing to me is the radical difference in outcome. The Thais really are like the Japanese- like lazy Japanese on Prozac (thankfully the Thais don't show so much interest in killing themselves). A bit overly broad, I know, but I wonder what accounts for the most salient differences- I. E. , work ethic and competitiveness- against a fairly similar cultural background (including the strikingly similar synthesis of Buddhism and animism found in both cultures). Could it be the difference in environments? Thailand being quite fertile and forgiving in comparison to the perpetually hostile environment of the Japanese archipelago (earthquakes, volcanoes, typhoons, snowstorms, etc.); it is easy to be lazy in a place where if you drop a seed you get a plant, throw a net get a fish, eat mangoes in the mango season and durian in the durian season, etc. (Of course, back when much of Thailand was covered in jungle it probably wasn't all that gentle a place to live.) Or is that Thailand never experienced an overarching military dictatorship like that of the Tokugawa shogunate, ruling Japan with an iron fist for 200 years, dominating all aspects of politics and economy while ruthlessly suppressing any dissent?

Just thinking out loud here, enjoying the conversation and wanted to try to contribute something.