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[Diyexplorer]

I do not know whether anyone else had posted this in the forum, but I think this info is important and this is the only thread that I think is appropriate for such news.

PHUKET: -- The Royal Thai Consulate in neighboring Penang, Malaysia, has stopped issuing double-entry tourist visas for Thailand. The only tourist visa currently available there is a 60-day single-entry one.

An official at the consulate this afternoon told the Gazette that Consul Pramote Pramoonsab had issued an order to cease issuance of double-entry tourist visas.

Other visa categories are unaffected by the order, the official added.

The Royal Thai Consulate in Kota Bharu and the Royal Thai Embassy in Kuala Lumpur are, for the time being, still issuing double-entry tourist visas.

Fareeda Chewae of the Royal Thai Embassy in Kuala Lumpur warned that this may change in the near future, however.

The Gazette contacted the consulates following the news that from October 1 Thai Immigration will limit to three the number of visas on arrival it s officers will issue at Immigration checkpoints in Thailand.

To cope with the new policy, many long-stay “tourists” who currently do ‘visa runs’ every month are looking for alternative ways to spend more than three months with their families or friends in Thailand. As a possible short term solution to the problem, some foreigners had been contemplating short trips to Penang where they would obtain multiple-entry tourist visas that would not go against their limit of three visas “on arrival [in Thailand]”.

The chiefs of all Immigration offices will meet in Bangkok tomorrow to discuss the details of the new Immigration policy, after which they will make a much-awaited statement.

While intended as a crackdown measure on foreigners working illegally in the county, the policy has created widespread concern across broad segments of the foreign community in Phuket, particularly among the large numbers who do not work and have no interest in working.

Perceived correctly or incorrectly as a move to discourage foreigners from spending much time here, the new policy has alarmed local residents, both Thai and foreign, about the future of Thailand’s all-important tourism and property development industries.

--Phuket Gazette 2006-09-14

[Admin]

Greetings Everyone,

As it has become increasingly obvious that a small number (one?) of Forum Members just can't observe the basic rules of civility that I have developed for everyone's benefit, I have decided to place the Thailand Forum under the "No Crosstalk" restrictions. Effective immediately, any report that directly addresses another Forum Member by name or reference will be deleted without comment.

If you feel that you need to exchange comments directly with another Forum Member, then do so in the designated Fight Club so that the rest of us can you and return to the purpose of this forum, which is:

"The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex."

Thanks,

Jackson

[The Traveler]

I have RTFF and know that western- style condoms are hard to get, impossible to get, and/or very expensive, but how much so?

Pete,

if you have really RTFF you should know that western-style condoms (Durex) are easy to get at any 7/11 and other supermarkets like Tops etc. all over the country. A package contains 3 pieces and will cost between 35-50 baht. Several sizes are available 49, 52 and 54, flavoured (mostly strawberry) and others.

Several years ago (in the 1980's) condoms were heavily advertised by Senator Mechai Viravaidya, also called Mr. Condom, and given out for free.

[Petemcc]

Hey guys,

Those of you who have read my postings( probably in the China thread) will know that I am doing a degree in nursing here in OZ. One of my modules is something called health sociology- and it is pure shite, but I need help with an assigenment:
This stuff is all about how society influences people's actions etc, and I am interested in how governments promote health awareness, particularly sex health awareness. I am posting this on many sites, including here, where it is obvious that condom use should be as much a part of Thai life as prostitution is, given the government condones it. I have RTFF and know that western- style condoms are hard to get, impossible to get, and/or very expensive, but how much so? Not all Thai men can have small dicks, and the young guys especially must be very sexually active, given the gorgeous Thai girls I have seen, so does the government allow the sale of cheap, decent sized, themed ( liked ribbed, flavoured) condoms, etc, or not? Especially ex pats, how do yuo get your man-sized condoms?

Please guys, a price, if they are available would be good. I'll not quote you as references in the bibliography, but this would be a really good angle. Before 18 Oct please, as assignment is due in by 20 Oct.

Thanks guys

Pete

[1Ball]

I spoke to Coma Boy about 2 months ago. He told me he had grown tired of ISG, the bickering, and found the whole thing pointless.
He and I however will probably hook up for a drink in 3 weeks. I will tell him you all say hello.
(OMG, I hope this is considered to be real info. I would hate to be given 40 lashes for posting worthless banter).
Oh, who cares.............cucumbers, towel holders, Jacuzzis, dungeons, hahahahahaha (maniacal laugh).
Is it Ok to talk abt cucumbers in this thread? (Rhetorical question....)

[Phantomtiger2]

. It's a matter of taste. Lots of Thai men have money and still wouldn't go to the places you guys monger at because they consider the women at places like Nana, Soi Cowboy and Pattaya, etc. to be butt-ugly.

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Yes, I do agree on this as I've met a few Thai men that were on levels with our Western standards of living. I met them mostly waiting at MPs and started chatting while we waited for the gals. They were paying the same 1800-2000b/session and wanted only fair skin gals to come out. But, most of these higher class Thais are only in the bigger cities (ex: BKK)
So just to clarify: The locals I was refering to on my post are the poorer, everyday workers all over the country (ex; construction workers, farmers, everyday laborers etc making perhaps 150-250b/day working 10 hrs/day.) They cant afford any of the venues we all visit, but can have the "slave brothel" as an option in their local towns/cities etc..
The one slave place I was let into only quoted me 100b for 1 hour.--I couldnt believe the price at first so I had repeated it and he said "chai=yes". And I assume this is already the mark up price for an outside foreigner so local men get even cheaper prices. Therefore, like I said, its something cheap enough for local Thai mongers to indulge. But even with the cheap price (less than $3) I was so totally turned off by what I saw that I didnt want any part of it.
BTW: I should have included a disclaimer as I'm NO expert in this matter( nor do I want to be) but just reporting what I've seen for myself and what others have told me when I inquired about this whole "underground trade" out of curiousity when all this happened to me.

Peace all

PT

[Old Thai Hand]

Its a matter of economics. Local Thais all over the country cant go mongering to places we do as its too expensive for them

This is not the reason. It's a matter of taste. Lots of Thai men have money and still wouldn't go to the places you guys monger at because they consider the women at places like Nana, Soi Cowboy and Pattaya, etc. to be butt-ugly.

There is a whole Thai go-go bar scene, for example that caters to them and it's almost the same cost, if not more expensive than it is at Nana. It's simply that the girls are white-skinned and beautiful, as opposed to what you find in the Farang-oriented P4P scene.

[Phantomtiger2]

I hope the "thousands" of places is a massive exaggeration.


Its hard to imagine the locations staying secret for long with all the modern day GPS equipment available.

Cannot be justified by just saying that corruption exists.

Freedom is supposed to basic human right.

Thailand is a big place and as almost every town and city in LOS may have these places, who really knows but thousands may not be an exaggeration (but exact count will never be known). The tuk tuk originally took me to over 5 places but I was simple not let in as I was not a Local, only the last one let me in for a look. So that was already about 6 places in only 45 mins time with just ONE driver.
As I pointed out, the locations of these places are NOT secret. It is only a secret to us foreigners as we are not intended to use them so we are never told about them. Most local Thai men who also monger will know them. Its a matter of economics. Local Thais all over the country cant go mongering to places we do as its too expensive for them (700-1500b for a gal is not much for us but it could be a week salary for them) so they use their own local mongering places on the cheap and nothing cheaper than slave labor.
Corruption is just one of the problems why these places will never go away as they are "protected". Yes, I'm sure raids are done when reporters/NGO get word of locations, but as reported , local police already know of them and do nothing as its often extra income for them to remain silent. The other problems have to do with social acceptence of these places by all the locals so they wont reported it as its their only mongering holes they can afford.
Just try to remember Prostitution is actually illegal in LOS and none of us foreign mongers will insist to the govt and police to shut all the MPs, go-go, beer bars, SW etc. that we all love. So we have our own places and locals have theirs. We may not like it but sure its been going on long time, way before we started mongering.
Finally, basic human rights sounds great on paper but its still a dream worldwide. Many civilized countries and govts still detain and torture people for just speaking out or just being in the wrong places etc. So in many places, the lack of basic rights is accepted as normal. We can only look outward and realize no matter how badly we think of our own countries, it's not so bad afterall.---IMO

PT

[The Traveler]

trav, I am sure Giotto, Piper, T1234, Vandalnn, Juice, Duni, OTH, Brain, Chalky, and a slew of others will join me in offering our most hearltfelt and humble apologies to you.
You are right, I am wrong, as are all the others, so let's just agree to disagree.
ROFLMAO.

1ball,

fine that you finally see the truth

But I wonder how you can speak for all the others you mentioned. You named at least two members I stay in contact with via PM who do not necessarily share your point of view. Better only speak for yourself and don't try to pretend to have their support. Or do you feel lost without it ?
They will speak for themselves if they want to.

[Old Thai Hand]

http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/10Sep2006_news04.php

Thailand intends to stop the "permanent visa on arrival"

Personally, I think this is a good thing and too long in coming.

There are too many people doing this visa run thing and circumnavigating the law. Given the hoops those of us who are legit have to go through to get proper visas, work permits and pay taxes, these guys who are living here on the margins, essentially for free deserve to be sent packing, if they don't get a proper visa to stay here for whatever reason they are living here. I know of many Farang who are doing business in Pattaya or upcountry, teaching English illegally, running various online businesses, including doing online trading; all earning money while living in Thailand, but doing so on essentially a tourist visa and without paying taxes. The law is if you are a resident for more than 6 months, you are required to get a TIN tax number and pay taxes.

Given the huge amount of taxes I pay (at least compared to your average Thai), I want to see these guys either brought to account or thrown out of the country.

[Sukhumvitter]

Check out the Thai dancers on http://sexicuties.********.com

[Brain666]

http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/10Sep2006_news04.php

Thailand intends to stop the "permanent visa on arrival"

But is does not affect most of the frequent visitors coming to Thailand for mongering. It only affects the ones who more or less in fact are residents here and just don't go the officiell way. These also don't pay taxes on their hidden business etc.

So I can't see any bad thing in that. There are the same rules e.g. for Japan. There it is not allowed to stay in the country for more then 90 days in a year without beeing registered. And the 90 Days count as collective, however often you enter and go out.

So probably the new Thai rule with 3 entries needs some time limitation.

But the new rules only cause some inconvenience for the ones using this obvious leak of immigration regulations. Some simply need to register.

regards
Brain666

[Dinghy]

http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/10Sep2006_news04.php

Thailand intends to stop the "permanent visa on arrival"

[M P Lurker]

Can I do anything about this?---No, I couldnt even find the place if I tried.

Did this bother me to witness all this in person?--Yes, I'm not a heartless thug.
Will the police stop this?---No way, From what I had heard afterwards, the police is ALWAYS in on this. They all know about these places and are often paid "protection money=bribes" and use police resourses to track down and return girls that runs away.

Try to affect an end to it????----Like it or not, its part of the Thai society we will never see. I only accidentally saw one house but there are thousands of them all over Thailand as gals are often "sold" to sex slavers by their own family for money and drugs and many others are kidnapped, never to be seen again. We may find all this depressing but its all normal and accepted business for the local men as they use these houses all the time, They are the main and only customers.

It's the Dark Side of P4P.

Before you become a hero and "try to affect an end to this" in another country. Think about what you are asking as sex slavery exist in your own countries.--just pick up a newspaper and once in a while you'll read about so and so sex traffikers caught in so and so cities at home. We cant even clean up our own act, how can we possible clean up the rest of the world.

PT

A search of the internet will show that sex slavery occurrs all over the world. e.g. UK, USA, Australia, Dubai, just to name a few.

The girls often can't escape because they are illegal immigrants.

But I'm referring to any held against there will who wish to get out.

I remeber a big raid on a pace in Ranong a while back.

Many young girls freed.

I hope the "thousands" of places is a massive exaggeration.

Naturally any known places in Thailand should be exposed to both police and media to ensure something is done. We can always find non-corrupt people somewhere. So information must be given to multiple recipients.

Its hard to imagine the locations staying secret for long with all the modern day GPS equipment available.

Cannot be justified by just saying that corruption exists.

Freedom is supposed to basic human right.

[M P Lurker]

LBM,

absolutely correct, but the new numbers aren't in effect by today.
I am calling LOS on a daily basis and neither DTAC nor 1-2-call have changed to the new system so far. I assume they will do so in Nov.

TT,

Not correct, as of yesterday I couldn't my girlfriend any longer without adding the 8.