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07-30-06 20:33 #547
Posts: 2534Originally Posted by Member #2041
as I already said, we agree on that.
Originally Posted by Member #2041
Originally Posted by Member #2041
I am well aware that a post directed at an anonymous handle on an internet forum most likely won't have any effect on his behaviour, but opposite to you, I haven't give up hope that he may at least think about what I say.
People, who have already resigned and given up hope will never change anything. Therefore I keep trying even though it might be in vain. It's like bargaining, if you don't try, you won't get a lower price and it doesn't cost you anything, you can only win.
Originally Posted by Member #2041
Don't we have responsibilities ?
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07-30-06 19:46 #546
Posts: 2534Originally Posted by Horatio
fat chance, that's an option I was already thinking about
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07-30-06 19:32 #545
Posts: 1600Will it fly?
Originally Posted by JuiceSpike
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07-30-06 19:22 #544
Posts: 1600Originally Posted by The Traveler
BTW Traveler, do you spend the rest of your time lecturing Grand Prix racecar drivers that they are endangering themselves, as well as the general public that chooses to attend a race, because they drive so fast?
And of course, the reason I bring up the last point is that this entire discussion up to know has dealt with risk and how to mitigate it. But of course, there is also varying reward that goes along with varying degrees of risk. Just as the aforementioned Grand Prix driver has, by driving fast enough to win, knowingly incurred additional risk, AND added a de minimus incremental risk to the general public at large through their behavior, they most certainly have done it because they perceive a greater reward opportunity at the end. And your assumption that they act because they do not appreciate the risk is entirely invalid - they probably fully well understand the incremental risk, and have judged for themself that the incremental reward justifies the taking of that added risk.
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07-30-06 19:07 #543
Posts: 1600Originally Posted by The Traveler
Originally Posted by The Traveler
My point was very specific - that if ANYONE actually uses the posts of other anonymous sorts on an internet forum that purport to describe their own practice or lack thereof of safe sex to make decisions about how they conduct their own business is an imbecile.
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07-30-06 15:36 #542
Posts: 492Originally Posted by The Traveler
Maybe he doesn't like you.
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07-30-06 15:02 #541
Posts: 4689The End
the traveler,
speech is silver, but silence is golden.
giotto
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07-30-06 13:09 #540
Posts: 1341Will it Fly?
The new airport is being tested and some speculate if it will work... It has to work and it will. It is a huge accomplishment for Thailand and the new airport is much needed...
From the Post:
http://www.bangkokpost.net/News/30Jul2006_news01.php
juices
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07-30-06 12:36 #539
Posts: 2534Giotto,
I got his point, but you don't get mine.
He says far more than just be as careful as you can because others aren't careful. We agree on that.
He also says that it makes no difference if he would go bareback or not, because others do anyway.
Didn't we just agree that we all have to make our own decisions without depending or relying on our expectations and assumptions of other people's behaviour ?
We don't know about other people's behaviour and therefore we (possibly) can make a difference.
You are also not in complete control of your own risks - ok you are, you can decide to not partake in this hobby, but if you decide otherwise - there is still a residual risk you can't control no matter how careful you are. Even though this residual risk can never be eliminated, it could be dramatically decreased if everybody would refrain from going bareback.
In this context it doesn't matter if he actually goes bareback or not as long as he justifies going bareback by saying that it makes no difference, others will do too.
If you still think that I did not get it I would be glad if you could explain me what I have missed.
Originally Posted by Giotto
Why can't you refrain from any personal attacks ? Remember your own analysis and stick to your own advice.
You again show exactly the sort of behaviour you are criticizing others for.
Originally Posted by Giotto
I also noticed that Member #2041 wording ("imbecile", "stupid", "blatant stupidity") indicates some sort of aggression, but ignored it. Wonder why someone who is able to express himself so eloquent needs to do that.
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07-30-06 12:04 #538
Posts: 4689The End
Originally Posted by The Traveler
You are right, The Traveler, for sure and as always, and we all appreciate to be advised again.
For me and my personal understanding of the post of Member #2041 you are not even close to understand what he has written. But it is not up to me to explain that to you, may be Member #2041 will do.
If I read my own post which you thankworthy researched out of the stacks of old report I realize, that I also did not think that part of it to the end before - but yesterday, when reading the post from Member #2041 I learned something.
Today I would write that report slightly different.
Giotto
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07-30-06 08:54 #537
Posts: 2534Originally Posted by Giotto
even though I agree with most of what he has said, I dare to disagree, as he doesn't thinks it to the very end.
He completely denies the responsibility of those who actually are going bareback. Of course everybody is responsible for his own behaviour and has to take his own precautions regardless what he might think about other people's behaviour. But as already pointed out, those precautions can fail, condoms can break. Call it bad luck if you like. But if it happens your chances of catching HIV or any other disease will largely depend on the overall ratio of infected people. Having bad luck you will of course still be able to hit the jackpot.
He also denies the fact that many girls don't know about all risks involved and are often forced to comply with customers requests due to their economical situation. Many girls are still ill-informed about HIV and most have never heard of Syphilis, Hepatitis, Clamydia and other nasty stuff. Due to this the girls don't make their decision to agree on going bareback as the well informed and (hopefully) mature persons we are. This makes us mongers responsible for them and all who will follow in the chain.
And what about the partners of those who go bareback ? Read your own post regarding that issue http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...&postcount=577
In short : We all should be careful regardless our expectations and assumptions regarding other people's behaviour and we should condemn going bareback.
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07-30-06 08:37 #536
Posts: 2534Originally Posted by Member #2041
I totally agree with the above.
Originally Posted by Member #2041
Do you know the saying : "Save one man's life and you safe the whole world" ?
If everybody would think like you, nothing would matter anymore. Who knows, maybe you are the first one who goes bareback with her. Remember, someone has to be the first. You also said that nobody should act depending on other people's behaviour but now you use their behaviour as an argument to justify going bareback. This is inconsistent.
This way of thinking is the root for most evil in the world.
Originally Posted by Member #2041
I agree that everybody is responsible for his own behaviour and has to take in count that others are going bareback - never denied that or said otherwise - but it doesn't change the fact that the more people are going bareback the higher is the risk of getting infected yourself even when being careful. Condoms can break just like planes can crash.
But if you only post to post something, don't do as you say and don't say as you do, not meaning what you are saying, any discussion is indeed use- and senseless. But then your below posts are also nothing but empty words.
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07-30-06 00:14 #535
Posts: 2533You are correct, Sir
2041, you are 100% correct, and it is a highly enjoyable read. Your cat and mouse game is amusing. You can be assured, however that there will be several more posts, claiming your foolhardiness for doing or not doing something which of course you know very well to be foolhardy
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07-29-06 19:52 #534
Posts: 1600Anyone who actually believes that lecturing me about behavior that I might or might not actually be doing, but which I most assuredly already understand with respect to all of it's consequeces, somehow alters their own risks and in any way their own behavior and THOSE consequences is an idiot. I really have nothing more to add on this subject, as my prior post #532 really said it all. These discussions and the direction that they invariably take are utterly pointless, and THAT is my point.
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07-29-06 19:41 #533
Posts: 1600And of course, none of you actually know whether or not I am going bareback. The fact is, I am completely cognizant of the issues involved.