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  1. #3517
    If you want a guarantee DDG, your best bet is to go to MP like Utopia. Go to the high end level and pick a girl. The MP usually close at 11pm. You can always make a side deal with them for after work activity.

    Girls are not easy to pick up in places like Hollywood if you can not speak Thai. DDG is a matter of taste. If you are looking for semi pro, the local usually go to the coffee house at the Siam Hotel in Petchaburi or the In Love coffee house in Ratchadapisek area. This is usually where my colleagues take me when I am in BKK.

    The Thai men prefer more fair skin girls. If this is your taste then the above recommendation will hold. If you prefer the dark skin girls, then any of the bars in Sukhumvit lower Soi area will be the place to be.

    The local Thai girls who like to party usually hangs out in the Soi 55 Thonglor area in Sukhumvit.

    Good luck and good hunting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayk007
    Thanks for the advance,

    Much appreciated, from previous experiences I won't be mongering day and night every day will need to give myself time to recover evry couple of days! Will be booking all hotels etc before I come so spending will just be on the usual stuff. Can't say I would drink black label far to strong for my liking! Rather stick to a few beers!

    Any recommendations on where I can go for the DDG girls, I've heard the pent club or hollywood club are quite good, anyone been there? Would like to treat myself and have atleast 1 DDG gal whilst I'm in BKK!

  2. #3516

    Fetish Club

    Hey Mich,

    Try BarBar in Patpong: http://www.barbar-bangkok.com/home.html
    I've never been there but it looks interesting. If you go, please give a report.

    TKP1

    Quote Originally Posted by Mich69
    Hi all,

    I tried both well known dungeon places in Bangkok, Chateau jade and Midori. Chateau Jade I found much more friendly and more exciting than Midori. However, both places do not offer any sexual practices.

    Does anyone know a place where one gets a mixed treatment - painful pleasure combined with sex?

    Please let me know. Thanks.

    Regards,

    Mich69

  3. #3515

    Always Pay

    -But if she does, and we end up in bed fooling around, do I have to pay her or something? Maybe the more experienced mongers here can advise me. I know very well about Massage joints and etiquette but what about Bars and these situations? I am not looking for a relationship, and especially not with a bargirl.-

    Hey Frenchy,

    If you do not pay her EVERYTIME, you will pay a much, much higher price emotionally & maybe physically later.

  4. #3514
    Thanks for the advance,

    Much appreciated, from previous experiences I won't be mongering day and night every day will need to give myself time to recover evry couple of days! Will be booking all hotels etc before I come so spending will just be on the usual stuff. Can't say I would drink black label far to strong for my liking! Rather stick to a few beers!

    Any recommendations on where I can go for the DDG girls, I've heard the pent club or hollywood club are quite good, anyone been there? Would like to treat myself and have atleast 1 DDG gal whilst I'm in BKK!

    Quote Originally Posted by Fox Two
    In my opinion, £1600 will be more than enough for one short time/massage during the day, a LT during the evening and plenty left over for food/travel/incidental expenses, everyday for your entire trip. This assumes your tastes do not require absolute DDG model quality girls every night and your regular drink doesn't include large quantities of Old #7 Black Label or Don Julio Tequila Anejo.

    Expect the asking price for LT to range from £31 for moderately attractive to £62 for model quality. What you actually pay will depend on your chemistry and your negotiating skills.

    There are always women around. I was in LoS around July/August last year and the hunting was quite good. There's less competition since it's not the "high season" yet. The following reports describe how I experienced things during my visit:

    Part 1:
    http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...232#post488232

    Part 2:
    http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...546#post488546

    Part 3:
    http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...984#post490984
    Part 3 Addendum:
    http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...340#post491340

    Part 4:
    http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...363#post491363

    Part 5:
    http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...928#post497928

    Part 5 has a list of my suggestions based on my experience/tastes/interests.

    To add to that, I would comment that sex two/three times a day for 12 days straight can be pretty strenuous unless you have the lebido of a teenager or use some sort of "recreational pharmaceutical". You will probably have a day or two in there that you just want to rest alone and "recharge".

    Cheers,

    Fox Two

  5. #3513
    I agree with the comments from JB and Brian.

    It is completly normal for a bargirl to behave like this in this type of situation. They are always on the lookout for a "boyfriend, but not" type guy who will give them a sense of security in their chaotic bargirl life.

    Although for the most part I agree with JB's "when in doubt, pay" philosophy (as that will keep everything business orientated and eliminate any risk). There is a middle area between pure business and a realationship.

    She obviously enjoys being around you, so there is a very good chance that if you see her again, money may not come up at all. If she is hot like you said, she makes plenty of money.

    Does that mean she's your girlfriend? No

    Does that mean you are automatically locked into some sort of commitment? No

    I don't think she would just show up at your place without calling, but I suppose there is always a chance.

    I deffinetly understand your concern and its warrented, but I'm just saying its completly possible to have a 'friendship' with a BG without things getting out of hand.

    Keep us updated

    (New here. Nice to meet you all, BTW.)

  6. #3512
    Quote Originally Posted by Brain666
    ...I think overall experience here is that it is better to complete 'transactions' at a time and avoid any situation that somebody could potentially sum up somehow later...
    I second your wise suggestion. If you don't complete transactions you build up obligations. And that's exactly what you don't want.

    I once picked up a girl on Sukhumvit at 2 am who actively refused to accept any money I offered her. (Hard to believe, even for me now). It was kind of difficult to get out of this without trouble, but she is really nice and I managed finally without bad feelings from both sides. That only because I told her that I am married when we first met.

  7. #3511
    Quote Originally Posted by NicFrenchy
    Started out Soi 8:
    ......

    Got her her money and sent her home, she asked me for my phone number (which I never give) but took hers, she asked me if she could come by Tomorrow (today) if she feels lonely, I was very evasive and this is exactly the reason why I hate bringing girls to my condo.

    Call me crazy, but I hope she doesn't show up.

    But if she does, and we end up in bed fooling around, do I have to pay her or something? Maybe the more experienced mongers here can advise me. I know very well about Massage joints and etiquette but what about Bars and these situations? I am not looking for a relationship, and especially not with a bargirl.

    All in all, I'd say it was a Good Evening and a GREAT night.
    Hey NicFrenchy,

    Not being able to call me an expert in that, but some common sense may reach.

    I am sure that you may not need to pay for it next time! But what does it mean?

    The girl felt obviously comfortable in your environment. And I guess about 80% of them would feel the same, combined probably with a somehow nice attitude of you, with which I assume.

    The girl sees a luxury apartment, a dream to live in. You may have behaved nice to her.
    The result is, she will do the utmost to qualify (or come closer) to a ' more girlfriend status'. You are for sure the primary target for a longer relationship for many of the girls. Who of the girls will insist on any short minded money discussion at that time, given that chance? Sooner or later she will see (as she expects) a benefit out of that. Instead of direct payment for sex it would be indirect. Living in nice environment (sometimes), being somehow in another lifestyle (with some clothes occasionally, some diner etc.).
    I expect it can be a nightmare and you have to decide which way you go.

    If she is so hot that you want to bang her occasionally then I recommend to better pay her each time instead of sum it up. (Payment each time could be reduced by 500 baht - what by the way did you pay?- given a repeitive somehos stable income for her.)

    It would indicate that it is still a business relationship and not a private one (for her it would be a business anyhow, just the 'private' would be more indirect payment/ payment in goods). Otherwise it can end in a nightmare.

    I think overall experience here is that it is better to complete 'transactions' at a time and avoid any situation that somebody could potentially sum up somehow later.

    Let us know your decision

    Regards

    Brain666

  8. #3510

    Teen Massage.

    All the tims I been to Bangkok, never tried massage parlour, but this time took the courage to try one, and ended up at Teen massage on soi 33.
    The girls were mostly on the 6 scale but I kinda took a liking to Nat with her ample tits.
    Not bad service, french kissing, DATy and bit of rimming and she took full load in her sexy mouth, she was not keen for owo but I persuaded her with picture of the king.
    I sneaked her contact tel no but time never permitted to do so.

    Abse2

  9. #3509

    If in doubt, pay.

    hi nicfrenchy,

    good to see your posts again. not sure if i count as experienced lol, but my advise is, keep it clean. pay.

    yes, i guess most of us rather not pay. i went through a similar situation before and i messed it all up by not paying. girl did not say anything, but the following time turned out awkward.

    jb


    Quote Originally Posted by nicfrenchy
    started out soi 8: all the little massage shops were open, aviva was closed (can understand why, they aren't even busy on regular days) but pornvillai massage (across from aviva) was open.

    walked a little farther to inspect the girlies at [CodeWord900]: closed. mmhhh no sucking tonight.

    as i walked out soi 8, a tuktuk hustler asks "where you go? " "massage? " i chuckle and decide to stay with the man. i ask him "where? which massage? " he then asks me if i am on holiday or not? i tell him not and he says "you don't know this massage, very good ladies", i insist "where? " he tells me "only for thai people, only thai people go" i laugh and ask "if only thai people, why you take me? " he is a little speechless but recovers quickly "but i say you my friend and we can go" hahaha i laugh and after another few minutes he tells me the name: j-one, thanks but no thanks. see ya.

    he grabs me back and asks: "where you go, i take you" i tell him i am going to nep and he says "today buda holiday, nep, cowboy, patpong, all closed" i laughed hard and told him i was at sc earlier and they assured me 80% of the bars would be open and even serving liquor.

    i moved on and walked down to soi 7/1: eden was closed and the other little bars were open but not to my taste.

    soi 7: went down to bg7, had a look, the usual typical customers and the girls did not look very good.

    soi 5: gullivers was booming, nice action, nice girls and same story: loads of farangs drinking beer.

    did not feel like going to nep so i went to soi oily (24/1): walked the whole soi and i can assure you of 1 thing: angel has got to be the most popular oily in bangkok.

    i passed the whole bunch of teens, matsutake, rynda, menthol etc. (there is even a pizza joint there now) and they all had loads of girls outside, bored and screaming for you to come for a massage. all massage had girls outside, all but not 1: angels. angels had about 10 japanese blokes smoking outside (wow, that's a different welcome bunch lol), i entered, just out of curiosity. well, there must have been another 20 japs inside, waiting on sofas, smoking, talking, looking at the book. when i approached the counter, the lady (that knows me) gave me a sad look and pointed at the japanese: many people waiting for room, maybe 2 hour for wait (god damn! ) that meant all of their 31 rooms were already full and another 30+ people waiting. wow, angels is surely popular.

    soi 24: lotus was closed (well, who cares anyway, this place is dead by now), orient was open, pink was open but i did not even consider it reading the negative reviews lately.

    took a mototaxi to soi22: hana massage was open, kornwan was open (very difficult to notice them at night, they have no glowing sign, you could easily miss it), lavender was open and nuan also.

    decided to go to sc: afterskool, shark were closed, the other gogos seemed open. did not even think about trying jj, fannys, toy and moonshine (no reason to go there anymore) so i ended up in sw (suzie wong). had 1 beer and left (talent was below average, way below). long gun was ok, dollhouse was soso, our place was open but i did not check it out.

    i was on my way home when a hostess from baccara reeled me in (she was a stunner), i told her that i would have a drink with her and then go home. she was very nice, her face was adorable (as well as her ass), stayed with her for 2 drinks and she was a lovely conversationist. when i told her i was going home, she asked me if she could come because she is lonely and she like me (yeah yeah yeah, that's the first time i hear that one).

    strange enough, it's not that late and she insists on lt. she says that she could have st and come back to have another but she wants to go lt with me. fine, who am i to refuse spending more time with this cutie (now hopefully she's as energetic in bed as she is in the bar).

    went back to my condo and she started to make herself comfortable (like it was her home), it was certainly funny to watch. she was getting acquainted with the place and was amazed by its size. it's a 2 bedroom, high floor with a very nice view, she asked me " how can young man like you work in thailand have apartment nice like this? " (expensive but since the company is paying for it, why not take a nice place). i usually don't like to bring girls back to my place for the simple reason that i don't want them to show up out of the blue when they need a place to crash, are drunk or for whatever other reason, but this bird was different, given she'd only go lt, i wasn't going to book a hotel room.

    she opened the fridge and claimed she was hungry, i offered to go buy something outside but she insisted we open the ice cream box i had. ok honey, knock yourself out.

    she sat on the sofa and watched tv for a while, eating the ice cream right out of the box. i went to shower and she soon followed "why you shower without me? " well, i didn't have an answer to that and was pretty dumbfounded. she grabbed the shower cream and started to wash me, she wouldn't allow me to wash myself, i think she wanted to show me she was the one controlling the pace of the action and that was fine by me.

    things got really hot in the shower and i had to fight hard not to fuck her in there, bareback. she was playing with me rubbing her pussy against the tip of my cock and she could see in my eyes that i was dying to insert it (i think she took an evil pleasure in doing this).

    sex was great, but with the kind of foreplay and her beauty, i couldn't hold for long. after i shot, i was still rock hard and she did not need any other invitation: cleaned the stick, covered it and impaled herself on it. second time took long but i could see she did not mind.

    after sex, we showered again and she got hungry, we munched on potato chips and drank ice tea while watching tv. the way she cuddled herself with me felt like she has been my girlfriend for years, she eventually fell asleep and i carried her over to the bed.

    morning was early for me (work) and i was too tired for another sex performance so i woke her and asked her to get ready. she asked if she could stay and wait for me until i came back but being the cautious prick i am, i told her that i couldn't do that. she understood and went to get ready. damn she looked good in that lingerie! unbelievably tough inner fight between my big and small brain over a morning sex session, but the big brain prevailed.

    got her her money and sent her home, she asked me for my phone number (which i never give) but took hers, she asked me if she could come by tomorrow (today) if she feels lonely, i was very evasive and this is exactly the reason why i hate bringing girls to my condo.

    call me crazy, but i hope she doesn't show up.

    but if she does, and we end up in bed fooling around, do i have to pay her or something? maybe the more experienced mongers here can advise me. i know very well about massage joints and etiquette but what about bars and these situations? i am not looking for a relationship, and especially not with a bargirl.

    all in all, i'd say it was a good evening and a great night.

    editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here for more information.

  10. #3508

    Misstresses in Bangkok

    Hi all,

    I tried both well known dungeon places in Bangkok, Chateau jade and Midori. Chateau Jade I found much more friendly and more exciting than Midori. However, both places do not offer any sexual practices.

    Does anyone know a place where one gets a mixed treatment - painful pleasure combined with sex?

    Please let me know. Thanks.

    Regards,

    Mich69

  11. #3507

    Bamboo Beer Bar, Soi 3, Sukhumvit

    Never seen it open at 5. 00am. Standard opening times are from 10. 00am. 1. 00am.

    I usually stay at the Nana Inn Soi 3 (Not Nana Hotel where the cab drivers insist on taking me from the airport) which is a stones throw from the Bamboo Beer Bar.

    A flying start to the tour is to get settled in at the hotel then stroll down to Annies soapy massage parlour (Soi 4) for a couple of hours then head into the Bamboo to check out the talent and collect a few telephone numbers.

    Heaven Heaven Heaven

    As an aside. Rather than Patpong, Nana Plaza and Cowboy bashing every night. My enjoyment mostly comes from hunting down the talent during afternoon shopping strolls around the Sukhumvit area. Amazing the quality what can be found readily available in and around the shopping malls.

    On a note of caution, I had the misfortune of venturing into the elevated ground floor coffee shop area of the Grace Hotel last month only to find drugged out, used up, worn out Russian women for the price of 500 baht short time. Scarred me for life it did!

  12. #3506

    Bamboo Bar

    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous
    The best place to try your luck after bar closing time is the Bamboo Bar. Its almost in front of Grace hotel in Soi 3. Good live band and dancing and the drinks are reasonable specially the tequila. All the Russian girls that did not have customers in CM2 or other bars heading to this bar and many Thai girls that didn't find a customer can be had at discount rates. They close about 5 am.
    It's been a while, since I have hit the Bamboo Bar. I can't imagine they are still open to 5 am., but there were some nice finds there from time to time. Hit and miss, though.

    AT2

  13. #3505

    sorry...?

    Sorry, you give THB 200 tip and you are upset to get charged for drinks. Girls call that a 'cheap charly'.

    JB.


    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
    3 days in BKK included 2 visits to the Eden Club

    Eden Club is located right near Nana Skytrain, about midway down Soi 7/1 on the right side (look for the metal sign painted with the red devil, just as you walk past the Paulaner beer bar).

    On Monday, hit the Eden Club at 1.15pm. Eden Club is arguably the most Terma-like place in BKK. When you walk into the bar, the girls line up – there are about 30 working. Ones to the left of the yellow line painted on the wall do anal, ones to the right don’t. You pick one girl, she takes a friend, and you go up to a nice terma-style room for some 2 v. 1 action. 3600 baht all-in, for 90 mins and guaranteed 2 pops. The girls are “kinky” by BKK standards – they use toys on each other and on you (if you like). They also seem to have genuinely good attitudes, and do "nice" things like wash you in the shower and towel you off. I had a great time. On my way out, the owner (the French guy) gave me a free water. Props to him, as I just dropped 3600 baht plus 200 each to tip the girls.

    According to the owner, best time to come is either just after 1pm when they open (as there are a lot of girls) -- or between 7pm - 9pm when many customers are out to dinner, and there are more girls. They also do "take away" service after 10pm: 3000 baht buys you all night with one of the girls. That's a pretty good deal.

    Tuesday - hit Eden Club again around 1.30pm. Another good 2 girl session, with one of the same girls from day before (“Waa”), who really knows her way around a strap-on. Hung out at the bar for about 15 minutes afterwards. The bar girl actually charged me for a bottle of water, as well as a glass of coca-cola. Which kind of pissed me off. Granted, they need to make $$, I understand that. But if you just spent 3600 baht there, and tipped the girls each 200-300 baht, it would be nice to at least not be charged 70 baht for the glass of coke they pour you from a 2 ltr. Bottle. *shrug*

    Overall, a great place. Highly recommended. They actually have a spiral notbook at the bar where customers leave comments -- check it out, it's a fun read.

    Cartman

    EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here for more information.

  14. #3504

    Visakha Bucha day Hunting

    started out soi 8: all the little massage shops were open, aviva was closed (can understand why, they aren't even busy on regular days) but pornvillai massage (across from aviva) was open.

    walked a little farther to inspect the girlies at [CodeWord900]: closed. mmhhh no sucking tonight.

    as i walked out soi 8, a tuktuk hustler asks "where you go? " "massage? " i chuckle and decide to stay with the man. i ask him "where? which massage? " he then asks me if i am on holiday or not? i tell him not and he says "you don't know this massage, very good ladies", i insist "where? " he tells me "only for thai people, only thai people go" i laugh and ask "if only thai people, why you take me? " he is a little speechless but recovers quickly "but i say you my friend and we can go" hahaha i laugh and after another few minutes he tells me the name: j-one, thanks but no thanks. see ya.

    he grabs me back and asks: "where you go, i take you" i tell him i am going to nep and he says "today buda holiday, nep, cowboy, patpong, all closed" i laughed hard and told him i was at sc earlier and they assured me 80% of the bars would be open and even serving liquor.

    i moved on and walked down to soi 7/1: eden was closed and the other little bars were open but not to my taste.

    soi 7: went down to bg7, had a look, the usual typical customers and the girls did not look very good.

    soi 5: gullivers was booming, nice action, nice girls and same story: loads of farangs drinking beer.

    did not feel like going to nep so i went to soi oily (24/1): walked the whole soi and i can assure you of 1 thing: angel has got to be the most popular oily in bangkok.

    i passed the whole bunch of teens, matsutake, rynda, menthol etc. (there is even a pizza joint there now) and they all had loads of girls outside, bored and screaming for you to come for a massage. all massage had girls outside, all but not 1: angels. angels had about 10 japanese blokes smoking outside (wow, that's a different welcome bunch lol), i entered, just out of curiosity. well, there must have been another 20 japs inside, waiting on sofas, smoking, talking, looking at the book. when i approached the counter, the lady (that knows me) gave me a sad look and pointed at the japanese: many people waiting for room, maybe 2 hour for wait (god damn! ) that meant all of their 31 rooms were already full and another 30+ people waiting. wow, angels is surely popular.

    soi 24: lotus was closed (well, who cares anyway, this place is dead by now), orient was open, pink was open but i did not even consider it reading the negative reviews lately.

    took a mototaxi to soi22: hana massage was open, kornwan was open (very difficult to notice them at night, they have no glowing sign, you could easily miss it), lavender was open and nuan also.

    decided to go to sc: afterskool, shark were closed, the other gogos seemed open. did not even think about trying jj, fannys, toy and moonshine (no reason to go there anymore) so i ended up in sw (suzie wong). had 1 beer and left (talent was below average, way below). long gun was ok, dollhouse was soso, our place was open but i did not check it out.

    i was on my way home when a hostess from baccara reeled me in (she was a stunner), i told her that i would have a drink with her and then go home. she was very nice, her face was adorable (as well as her ass), stayed with her for 2 drinks and she was a lovely conversationist. when i told her i was going home, she asked me if she could come because she is lonely and she like me (yeah yeah yeah, that's the first time i hear that one).

    strange enough, it's not that late and she insists on lt. she says that she could have st and come back to have another but she wants to go lt with me. fine, who am i to refuse spending more time with this cutie (now hopefully she's as energetic in bed as she is in the bar).

    went back to my condo and she started to make herself comfortable (like it was her home), it was certainly funny to watch. she was getting acquainted with the place and was amazed by its size. it's a 2 bedroom, high floor with a very nice view, she asked me " how can young man like you work in thailand have apartment nice like this? " (expensive but since the company is paying for it, why not take a nice place). i usually don't like to bring girls back to my place for the simple reason that i don't want them to show up out of the blue when they need a place to crash, are drunk or for whatever other reason, but this bird was different, given she'd only go lt, i wasn't going to book a hotel room.

    she opened the fridge and claimed she was hungry, i offered to go buy something outside but she insisted we open the ice cream box i had. ok honey, knock yourself out.

    she sat on the sofa and watched tv for a while, eating the ice cream right out of the box. i went to shower and she soon followed "why you shower without me? " well, i didn't have an answer to that and was pretty dumbfounded. she grabbed the shower cream and started to wash me, she wouldn't allow me to wash myself, i think she wanted to show me she was the one controlling the pace of the action and that was fine by me.

    things got really hot in the shower and i had to fight hard not to fuck her in there, bareback. she was playing with me rubbing her pussy against the tip of my cock and she could see in my eyes that i was dying to insert it (i think she took an evil pleasure in doing this).

    sex was great, but with the kind of foreplay and her beauty, i couldn't hold for long. after i shot, i was still rock hard and she did not need any other invitation: cleaned the stick, covered it and impaled herself on it. second time took long but i could see she did not mind.

    after sex, we showered again and she got hungry, we munched on potato chips and drank ice tea while watching tv. the way she cuddled herself with me felt like she has been my girlfriend for years, she eventually fell asleep and i carried her over to the bed.

    morning was early for me (work) and i was too tired for another sex performance so i woke her and asked her to get ready. she asked if she could stay and wait for me until i came back but being the cautious prick i am, i told her that i couldn't do that. she understood and went to get ready. damn she looked good in that lingerie! unbelievably tough inner fight between my big and small brain over a morning sex session, but the big brain prevailed.

    got her her money and sent her home, she asked me for my phone number (which i never give) but took hers, she asked me if she could come by tomorrow (today) if she feels lonely, i was very evasive and this is exactly the reason why i hate bringing girls to my condo.

    call me crazy, but i hope she doesn't show up.

    but if she does, and we end up in bed fooling around, do i have to pay her or something? maybe the more experienced mongers here can advise me. i know very well about massage joints and etiquette but what about bars and these situations? i am not looking for a relationship, and especially not with a bargirl.

    all in all, i'd say it was a good evening and a great night.

    editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here for more information.

  15. #3503
    Quote Originally Posted by Sean_Double
    Yo AT2,
    Well, there's this from Google:
    Zees Zone
    Ramkhamhaeng Soi 89/2
    Phone: (0) 86733 - 8273
    Large popular local style pub/disco located where Dude/Sea True used to be in the Lamsari complex. Upmarket decor, mostly local and student crowd, mostly Thai/remix music. Does not get going till late.

    This was from a gay listing. The pics don't look like ladyboys to me though. I've never heard of it.

    Cheers,
    Sean
    Sean,

    Yeah, I saw that on Google, but was not sure if that was it. The one on the left makes me think they could both be LB's. Probably best to move on and find another topic! LOL!

    AT2

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