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11-02-20 00:21 #31209
Posts: 1693Originally Posted by FLHawk [View Original Post]
You would need to make such request casually as in "I can't find your factory on my map. Can you send me your location to help me understand?“
If she has nothing to hide, she will do it. If she says she is in BKK while she is actually in Pattaya, she will make excuses and not send it.
I've had several non-P4P girls send me pictures of interesting things and I ask location. Never have they hesitated to send their location. Camping vacation places. Temples. Beaches. Floating market. Rivers. A couple have even sent location from parents homes in Isaan. But these are non-P4P girls who aren't hiding anything, all of whom I've gotten to know from time spent together and many hours in video chat.
I've also done it with P4P girls that I met on ThaiFriendly or at the bars. In those cases it has been when we were trying to find each other. That's where imprecise accuracy is sometimes a problem.
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11-01-20 22:08 #31208
Posts: 542Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]
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11-01-20 21:57 #31207
Posts: 926Originally Posted by Paolo99 [View Original Post]
But as you probably noted, she said that she doesn't work in the factory.
For the second sentence, I'm sure of the translation, she likes to work in the bar.
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11-01-20 21:11 #31206
Posts: 15926Originally Posted by FLHawk [View Original Post]
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11-01-20 20:32 #31205
Posts: 926Originally Posted by FLHawk [View Original Post]
If she effectively wrote in Thai first and then translated it via an application or google translate, the meaning of these sentences is very clear, misunderstanding what she meant is not possible.
She said she doesn't like working in the factory, she likes working in the bar.
Thais don't use the word "like" as a synonym of the word "same".
If she wanted to say "working in the factory is the same as working in the bar" or "working in the factory is not the same as working in the bar" she would have used another word that would have been translated as the word "same" by google translate or another app. And she would have used the word "same" also if it came out of her mind without using a translate app.
The only Thais that could use the word "like" as a synonym of "same" are Thais that are highly educated and can write and speak English very well, what seems to not be the case with your girl.
You're going to tell us what she said after that in your next update but for me the translation seems correct, she likes to work in the bar.
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11-01-20 18:58 #31204
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11-01-20 17:54 #31203
Posts: 411Age is always important. If it's not please disclose age of secret and yourself.
I know quite a few Seniors who think young Thai girls really like Loving Old Farang Man. They say it's Thai culture. In person I give them the You go Man Power Fist.
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11-01-20 16:51 #31202
Posts: 21Secret. FLHawk
I am late to the party, but some observations.
1. Seems all events were as per expected except for Secret's level of devotion, all things considered. I might even suspect there was more going on behind the scenes with her than what was reported or recognized.
2. Money and feelings are orthogonal to one another. They are not two ends of the same spectrum. Wanting money does not equate to not having feelings. Not wanting money does not equate to having feelings. The challenge in many situations such as these is that one person has an abundance of money and opportunity and the other does not. Should the one who does not be subject to excess scrutiny because she would like something of substance from the one who has money?
3. Even when receiving money from someone, it is fully understandable if the girl continues to seek money elsewhere. Their careers, if we can call it a career, are short. They can see beside them people who are at the end of their earning power and are about to return to life with next to nothing. Is it wrong of them to try to maximize earnings during the short time they have to make money?
4. Why should she stop working under vague promises from a foreigner? Would you go to work for a year or two or three without pay or being paid much less than you are worth under a non-contractual promise that all back pay will come to you in 2025?
5. Even in the present day, the girls are more often than not working from word of mouth, and urban myths about money, while facing so many people who are trying to free them of whatever money they are able to extract from foreigners. Is it not unsurprising that sometimes they make curious or seemingly silly decisions?
I mention all of this because when we contextualize this to the Secret story, then we actually see a girl who has interest in a foreigner, is willing to bend for him, but is confused because he seems to be testing her and not bending completely for her. She cannot trust him and even if she can trust the foreigner, she knows she should not trust him because her clock is ticking and she needs to take care of her financial responsibilities and her life while the short window to do so exists. Put another way, she incurs substantial opportunity costs in the relationship, so not surprising she becomes cold and distant as she feels that she is not understood and that maybe the guy in whom she had genuine interest, is only playing her for the short to medium term.
If one is generally interested in a relationship with any SE Asian girl from a bar, then you have to be prepared to take a leap of faith and bear some financial risk. Who knows, it might work?
As for my own case, over the past couple of decades I have had a few all-in relationships, that have not been cheap (a few houses spread across three to four different countries attest to this), but for the time in which I was interested in the person, the relationships went as well as could be expected. But maybe that is a series of stories for another time.
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11-01-20 16:44 #31201
Posts: 1693Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]
Sometimes its precision isn't so good, maybe off by 200 meters. I've never seen it show the wrong city unless VPN or something else is involved.
Knowing lies are involved is one piece of the puzzle. If you are just banging her from time to time, it really doesn't matter. If you are paying off the farm mortgage and dreaming of a life together, it is a big deal.
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11-01-20 16:28 #31200
Posts: 15926Originally Posted by HorseTrader [View Original Post]
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11-01-20 16:15 #31199
Posts: 1693Location
The three most important things about a Thai "girlfriend" are the same as real estate: location, location, and location. If she won't send her location via Line, you know she is lying. The internet has various farang sob stories about Thai girlfriends claiming to be in Isaan working at parents' farm while they are actually in BKK or Pattaya working in the bar. Not too different from the Secret story.
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11-01-20 15:43 #31198
Posts: 926Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]
If she wrote that sentence in Thai, and if FL wrote it exactly as she send it to him, the meaning is very clear and cannot be misunderstood.
It means she doesn't like to work in the factory. She likes to work in the bar. There cannot be any misunderstanding unless she wrote it in English out of her mind, and even then I really doubt she would wrote it that way.
Thais never use the word "like" as a synonym to the word "same" as we do in English. The Thai words that would translate to "like" are either the verb "to like" or "to love". If she was meaning "the factory is not the same as the bar" or "working in factory is same working in bar" as other forum members said, she would have used another word that translates directly to word "same". In this case, for me, it's very clear she said she likes working in the bar, and I'm not surprised at all by that statement.
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11-01-20 15:28 #31197
Posts: 926Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]
If she wrote this sentence in Tha.
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11-01-20 11:11 #31196
Posts: 3116Seems I'm alone?
First I think Google is one of the worse for translation I wouldn't use it for anything more than a word! Facebook translation is even worse you can't even make out what they are talking about from the translation.
These application when it comes to Thai conversation take all the human factor out of the equation. I do a better job based on what they are saying add that with facial and body language.
Based on what FH, posted I'm more than convinced she really meant? That she doesn't work in a bar any longer but now a factory that being said I don't have the time I did when as a bargirl! Whether she does or doesn't isn't even in the equation maybe for another subject.
Those who say ask for a clarification is just opening another can of worms! Think about it! First most likely they don't even know or recognize the mistake now you want a clarification. As I noted the more one talks the more question if you were right there would see their facial expression that they aren't even listening they have tune you out. Critical thinking being criticized isn't in their teaching in Thai local govenment schools one of the reason when they get lost they don't even bother to do the simple thing and that is ask for direction! It makes them look stupid the same students don't ask questions in class either!
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11-01-20 09:46 #31195
Posts: 244Context
Originally Posted by FLHawk [View Original Post]
I don't like Thai girls that much. So, I never even tried to repeat a session. (I save my money for FKK Germany.) But I have tried to talk to them via Google translate. Then still all these problems of misinterpretations keep coming up. They get bored by it before I do. Well, just enjoy the show. I do agree that once a girl asks for money beyond her fee, she is not to be trusted. But as far as I read this story, Secret just did not do that. Well, maybe her cunning plan was of a different kind. Who knows.