Pattaya Reports

[Pimpampoumpipo]

Do not fall in love.

Clearly yes it is the best option.

Unfortunately easy to say but not always easy to apply.

I was the first to give this advice to anyone who would listen to me: "rule number 1, never fall in love". It did not prevent me from falling in love with a bar girl from Pattaya. For 1 year I experienced the same pangs and she continued to have customers in the bar or elsewhere. I had even visited her family in Isan, seeing her daughter, her mother, her friends. I had the same silences from her, the same reproaches that I did not understand. I thought noticed that she did not like telling lies, she preferred not to say anything. Visibly, lies and omissions did not bother her.

Of course, there was talk of me moving to his home province. But the personal and financial stakes were such that I did not take the step. She would like come to travel in my city but she would never have settled there.

I took 6 months to get out of this headache. Every day, every night I was torn by torments.

Just think how happy and healthy you will be when you will be free from this love prison.

Classic situation of an unhappy love.

[AmPervert]

Are there any Tulip / Snow White type places in Pattaya? Serious PSE. How much do they charge? I have been to Pattaya twice and never found any.

[Paolo99]

One girl in a Soi Cowboy go-go, not pretty and not popular, told me a farang pay her 40.000 bath every month. They chat occasionally but he does not visit her! She speaks very limited English so it is hard for them to communicate.

Don't believe everything they tell you.

Most of the time it's BS, especially when it's about a guy that give (or send) them money for nothing.

[Aviator12]

Well, any of the hope I thought I had when I entered the bar was squished. I don't see any way of winning. The game was over last month. No way the dude can enforce his requirements, so should I want to pursue this the only option is, as I said, would be to buy him off. But no, as I know if I did the relationship would still end as I simply will not move to rural Thailand, or probably any place in TL, to live. And I know Secret will never leave family to move to the USA.

Thank you for sharing this strange story. I feel for you. As I can understand you had real feelings for this girl. But money always wins in Thailand. I know of several cases where men pay bargirls large amount of money every month, without asking anything in return or even visiting Thailand. It is hard to believe. One girl in a Soi Cowboy go-go, not pretty and not popular, told me a farang pay her 40.000 bath every month. They chat occasionally but he does not visit her! She speaks very limited English so it is hard for them to communicate. It is as bizarre as it gets. I wish you all the best and look forward to your next report. My best advice is to shrug this incident off and move on. Do not fall in love.

[Smoothy]

Hi All,

I am visiting Thailand in September and staying in Pattaya for few days. I want to know how can I contact model type of girls in Pattaya? Is there any escort agent or private agent? Please help me on this and send me private messages (if you can't share the details here). Thank you in advance for your kind support.

Cheers.

I know a girl who models for a store called "PLUS SIZES ONLY'. She's way too big for my taste, but I can send you that model's number if you want.

[Goferring]

Hi All,

I am visiting Thailand in September and staying in Pattaya for few days. I want to know how can I contact model type of girls in Pattaya? Is there any escort agent or private agent? Please help me on this and send me private messages (if you can't share the details here). Thank you in advance for your kind support.

Cheers.

Do you want 'model types' or 'models'.

Model types are in any gogo. Obviously, your personal preferences will determine which you find attractive or otherwise.

Models are in IG. Many are on the game. Just follow and contact. Be prepared for sticker shock when price is discussed.

Enjoy. G.

[Suriyaf]

Hi All,

I am visiting Thailand in September and staying in Pattaya for few days. I want to know how can I contact model type of girls in Pattaya? Is there any escort agent or private agent? Please help me on this and send me private messages (if you can't share the details here). Thank you in advance for your kind support.

Cheers.

[FL Hawk]

Trip Report, Saturday, Day 6, August 23, Part 1.

Get ready guys. You would never guess how things proceeded after Part 1.

Ok. This is Saturday night of the day Secret and I seemed to make the obvious official were terminating whatever type of loving relationship we may or may not have had. I was trying to understand what had been happing but for whatever reasons Secret was not answering my questions and it seemed appropriate to simply end it, not really that there was anything to end. Though we may have shared a few special moments that I will fondly remember forever, it was not a relationship based on exactly honesty, and that coming from BOTH sides.

So after trying to experience some extra fake love with Bea, from Part 1, I get the two messages from Secret: "You said you understand me, but you never understood me. " And "I work for what you should know. " Wow, is this an opening to have a real talk with her and maybe let me plead by case where she will listen? The first message seemed to imply that, that she was now ready to talk rather than remain silence. I am not really sure about the second message, but it might mean that I kept, the woman I told I loved, working as a bar girl rather than pay the debt off. I didn't, at the time, understand that, simply finding it confusing, but I replied that I did indeed understand and we were having a huge misunderstanding between us. I asked to see her again so we could finally have a conversation about it. She said to come for her, so I turned around and headed back to her bar. Did I have a chance to recover her? Should I really even attempt to get her back though? If I knew that I could never live in her hometown or face supporting her family for the test of our days, why not just let this end. I have accepted the end, why face putting me, or even her, through pain again if it was bound to fail again? Sigh. What am I doing? Am I playing some kind of game with her. I told that I was by a responded to Part 1. I denied it, but in thinking about it, he may be right. There are numerous games people play that will leave them devastated, to include gambling, sports, etc. Why do it? Because the awards can be high. But here, what was the ultimate goal here? To win her love? But if I did manage to pull this thing out, I end up hurting her when I refuse move to Issan. I don't intend to win games in order hurt others. But, at this point I have lost, and just like losing at chess, I want to recap the game to find out where I went wrong.

So I go back. Much of what happens will be via a translation app, which makes things harder, but I will give it a try! And I am in the mood to try to get to reconsider trying a relationship. I had already told her it might be a longshot, but I want to see what may be possible. When I tell her I am returning she sends a happy emogi. That has to be good news, right? If she didn't want be back why send me the message and now a smiley face I was actually thinking at that point that I can turn this around and hold on for a few more days anyway, and then we will see after that. I get another text that says she is sorry and that she is sorry she disappointed me. I reply that no, I disappointed her and I will do better.

So I enter the bar and she comes to me she doesn't seem quite so cold. But again, I had much of this written out on my computer and my crazy fingers deleted it all. This part was painful to write the first time, and it has taken me a couple of extra days to complete it. I will mostly summarize things. And guys, this will be really bizarre.

This time she was forthcoming and I got some answers. She reviewed that she felt I didn't understand her in that her family was the most important thing. I said I did understand that, but in effect she said I never offered to help her get out of Pattaya. Well, we dudes know the reason for that! How foolish would I have been to turn over 300,000 baht to a woman I had known for a short while, bar girl or not? I said I needed to know she actually loved me first, and that the reason I scheduled this was to spend time with her and learn if we really got along and if a life together was possible. Then she mentioned a foreign man, around 60, who frequently visited Soi 6 and well off financially and was known to help out a few of girls. She said this foreigner took a liking to her, got to know her and he flat out gave her the money as he felt she was not meant to be on Soi 6. He gave her the money with condition: she continue to work in the bar until the end of August, but that she didn't have to BF anyone; then she had to go home but never fall in love; and never return to sex work.

In a post a few weeks back I said that she had quit her job and returned home but would come back when I visited just to see me. Then I posted she was back at work in Pattaya. I thought she came back because she couldn't find work at home. My understanding is that she did quit but the foreigner was displeased and made here come back to finish the month of August for whatever reasons. I guess the dude was not buying sex in the future from her. She said he was happy and funny and he like to call girls and simply talk to them and she was happy with him in that way. She said she enjoyed that more than the sex anyway, and if her family was now debt free, they could get on with life and living without love would be ok.

So, she was upset at me for claiming love for her but I had no expressed that love by giving her the money she needed to pay of the family debt and to go back home. She said I felt sorry for her, but if I really loved her I would have gotten her out of the job she hated doing. I told her this current trip was supposed to help me decide if there really was love between us. If there was, then I would have paid the debts. Instead, this dude beats me to it, and now (so she says guys, so se says) she has to live without love.

I was now able to answer some questions. I asked if this happened in July, which was the time her messages to me died down. Yes, it was. I try to make a case for me but how I can compete with this? She made the deal, the debt is paid and why should she be interested in me now if she can't fall in love again even if she wanted to? I was flabbergasted with her story, and not really sure how much of it I believed, but why would she lie about how she finally found a way to leave Pattaya. I mean, I can believe a dude paid her debts and demanded she exit the sex business, but why make her come back to finish August? And he wanted nothing else out of this, other than to get to call her occasionally?

There was really nothing I could say or do. How true or not her story was, this is what she told me and I had to accept it. What else could I have done, called her a liar? Yeah, that would help things! The option I had was to possibly offer to pay the dude out, to break that contract or whatever, but that is not something I am prepared to do at this stage. She said she did have love for me but after he paid, she knew things had to end with me but she didn't know how to do, and she apologized for failing to do so. I said she knew I was coming over, but she said the guy was offering money to her and though she didn't like the requirement about no more love, she didn't know if I would ever give her anything and she couldn't face working another month in that bar not knowing if I would help. I guess if she had not taken his offer to wait for me, the deal would die. I could not fault her logic.

Another thing to prove I didn't really understand her was that I was taking her to WS. She said she hated WS! Huh? Each time I asked her if she wanted to go there and she said ok. She had even said Stones House was our special place she would never take a client. (I could probably verify that as the band members know me by sight and I could ask, but that would be just wrong of me to do.) But then, of course, it hit me. She never seemed to really have fun in there after the first time or two last April / May. These last two times she would look at her watch and I failed to understand that she wanted to leave. She indicated she thought I liked it which is why she didn't complain, but was sad I didn't know how she actually felt. So, things like this she brought out made her statement correct – I really didn't understand her.

I think the thing here is that she needed money to take care of her family, and she based a man's love for her on his willingness to provide support. She kind of laid that out for me. I could not do that in the time frame that was open to me before it closed. That I said I was waiting until the visit to try to see how she really felt about me first was of no relevance now. She would have loved me if I paid, but I was too late. I think that is the bottom line. I did say I didn't want to buy her love or ever have her think she had to love because we had some sort of contract. But, yeah, strange, right?

She was patient with me and as I struggled a bit. She held my hand and said she was sorry many times. She said she had been bad to me. At least she was talking and warm, not like earlier in the day. I asked why she didn't tell me in July about the payoff, and I don't think she had a real answer, but she apologized and said she knows she did wrong. She said I was supposed to tell her when I was coming to Pattaya and she could reserve time off work and avoid the BF, but I didn't, which I think perturbed her a bit. Even though I was saying I would be there in x weeks, without a firm commitment she couldn't take a chance, so when the offer came, she took it.

Well, any of the hope I thought I had when I entered the bar was squished. I don't see any way of winning. The game was over last month. No way the dude can enforce his requirements, so should I want to pursue this the only option is, as I said, would be to buy him off. But no, as I know if I did the relationship would still end as I simply will not move to rural Thailand, or probably any place in TL, to live. And I know Secret will never leave family to move to the USA.

So, I have some answers now. I am a bit miffed that she kind of strung me along, and she said she was sorry and I do kind of understand it, but. I like to think she did have strong feelings for me and this whole thing is difficult for her too, and her punishment will be to never fall in love. So I tend to think she held on to me for a while out of hope for escapement, with love possibly being in there later.

I am certainly bummed. Man, I am here in Pattaya because of her (well, ok, partially because of her – there are thousands of other ladies to hang with). I had joked to Secret that she had a man who traveled halfway around the work to be with her and she left on a side street! Sigh. I will be ok. The predicted outcome arrived, though a few days sooner than I would have wished. If Secret was the typical BG she would not have told me this stuff and would have worked me to get more money out of me for as long as I was here. She also didn't have to tell me about her deal to leave and tried to work on me to get a second handout, but she didn't. Secret did engage in some deceit, but I can't say it was deliberately planned necessarily.

With Secret over, I will try to enjoy my last few days here, though I will leave Pattaya earlier planned, probably Friday. On the bright side, I have the full soi open to me now and won't have to worry about her finding me out in another bar. I presume she will retire as a bar girl Saturday and I wish her the best. And Mr. E will be coming to town Monday, and we have plans to meet up. He will certainly be able to cheer me up and kick me in the head if necessary!

I have not commented on the weather. It has actually been quite nice. Just a little rain and lots of clouds that have kept the temperatures relatively mild. Only today, with some sun, have I actually sweated while walking around.

But be forewarned, the story is not over yet. Sigh.

[LittleBigMan]

I find that taking responsibility for their actions is no strong suit either. Even when you catch them red handed and a simple I fucked up will do, they will point the finger in every direction except their own.

As I try to note to Mr. Falcon taking responsibility or simple apologize for being wrong is taking responsibility for one's action and learning from it so you won't do it again. They, of course, I'm talking in general rarely if ever are told thus the reason they act the way Secret acts and of course what she is doing is sizing up her customer to see how strong or weak he might be in dispensing future benefits or not one can also think this as being a chess game but her action far exceeds what she is doing with a foreign customer. This immature behavior happens daily even with their Thai to Thai relationship in many forms. They never want to take responsibility nor do they ever want you to go back and mentioned the past we know if you don't except the past and learn from it you will go back and do the same thing again that being said am I being clearer as to what is going on here and sadly it really has nothing to do with being able to have a child by a child if that was the solution to being mature then the West might need to rethink having children at an earlier age?

[Mr Enternational]

Their culture their education development and lack of critical thinking is a major reason the production line will continue for many of you.

I find that taking responsibility for their actions is no strong suit either. Even when you catch them red handed and a simple I fucked up will do, they will point the finger in every direction except their own.

[LittleBigMan]

I disagree that the Thai girls are mentally and emotionally children. Many are single mothers and also start working at an early age in order to support their parents back in the province. To me, this is maturity that surpasses that of their Western counterparts. There are some girls that act totally childish around their foreign boyfriends. But this is a different issue because the girl is probably manipulating the guy for money.

I do not disagree with this point of view see it live it every day as I noted but proofreading is something you need to do yourself.

My comments aren't about being a single mother as you stated you might want to proof-read yourself. I personally believe and hate to say it because I have a Thai son here but the women are the strength of this nation without them the place would fall apart.

Yes, they support the family but this is a condition somewhat brainwashed from centuries that this is what is expected of them and raising kids it takes a lot of mental strength more than maturity, in my opinion. Being a single mother happens all over the world women doing it in the West women are less because the chances are less they also have to support their parents? Thai women have the mental strength to sell spread their legs to men they dislike or have to stay with because of the monetary benefits. Raising kids in their early teens don't mean the frontal cortex of their brain has developed fully at that age this I believe science is on my side. Their culture their education development and lack of critical thinking is a major reason the production line will continue for many of you.

I understand more than anyone the contribution of the women in this country especially in sacrificing themselves for their children and their families but that doesn't mean one bit they are mature enough to handle criticism, have a conversation to try to fit or compromise to a problem which is one major reason the male kids who contribute to other kids in having kids when it gets tough they take out.

My opinion comment was related to the behavior of Secret towards a foreign boyfriend that is the real issue here! " There are some girls act totally childish around their foreign boyfriend then you say " but this is a different issue because the girl is probably manipulating the guy for money " How? Are they different? The poster comments he has a certain expectation as to how she should act to try to settle their problem yet she acts like a child what she most likely learned in her family setting growing up it is a monkey see monkey do society when it comes to the poor. I have seen this immaturity behavior for near two decades upfront personally with my own family watching kids grow up to be adults in my neighborhood and a lot of bargirls.

As I noted my Daughter-in-law came into our lives by accident she is a super smart girl in school, she and my son are finding out easy to have a child my lovely granddaughter is now 16 months they both have taken responsibility and are getting mentally strong and discipline wait up every morning to go to work or school but does that mean they can act maturely and make decision to behave properly in a relationship? What is written about Secret or similar behavior I've seen more than I care to see wish it was different but from my experience and opinion I wish it was just some?

Sorry have to agree to disagree.

[Dg8787]

The test is to put Sponge Bob or Doraemon on the TV and see if they watch it.

If I was watching a foreign language tv I would be watching cartoons too. Basic vocabulary that I could understand.

[Rob Jones]

The test is to put Sponge Bob or Doraemon on the TV and see if they watch it.

I fear I will watch SpongeBob too LOL.

[Smoothy]

I disagree that the Thai girls are mentally and emotionally children.

The test is to put Sponge Bob or Doraemon on the TV and see if they watch it.

[Crocodilexp]

And you think starving myself, not sleeping, being conflicted and confused and feeling helpless is FUN?

I don't know how old you are, but after a certain age, feeling the whole range of emotions associated with falling in love (the early stage variety) is a rare privilege, and that includes the negative ones which make you feel torn at the time.

You should take a step back, keep things in perspective, and know with the rational part of your mind that a relationship with a someone you need to barfine every time to see will never work out. On the other hand, enjoy the emotional part of it as much as you can, as one old wise man said "To fear love is to fear life, and those who fear life are already three parts dead".

Don't plan a lifetime with her, but relax, tell her you'll barfine her and do it, love her and make her comfortable for all you can and ride the wave as long as there's any enjoyment left in it for you. She's clearly not 100% into you and throwing herself at you without reservations, but she clearly likes you to some extent (even if she likes other punters too). Good thing it's Pattaya where you can pay for it, so do. This will run its course and end, so you need to be ready to move on, but you seem to still have the passion for her, so there's no need to make it end earlier than it has to.

Don't lose out on life by standing up for principles and pride in a city which knows none, but know your limits, don't throw away money. Remember that this is just mongering and make-believe, although both of you are still real people with real emotions. Good luck.