Pattaya Reports

[NewbExcited]

I've been in Pattaya for a week and I'm disappointed with my stay so far. I'm here for 3 more weeks and struggling to crack this honey pot. A little background, This is my first trip to Thailand. I'm Indian origin but from the US. I initially tried going to the discos on walking st. In Insomnia, most of the girls turned their back to me when I approached them. This was shocking to me, but I did sense a pattern that the Indian crowd here does not have a good reputation with the girls and I'm trying to figure out a way to overcome that. I ended up going to Nashaa and a couple of other Indian clubs on walking st, thinking that the girls would be willing to give Indians a shot. The girls in these clubs quoted high numbers like THB 5000-8000 or I could not approach the girls due to the huge crowd for every girl, so I skipped these and decided to try beach road.

I picked up a girl from beach road for THB 2000 and took her to my hotel. She wanted half the money upfront and even though I know this is a bad idea, I gave her THB 1000 as I was not thinking clearly. She then started laying out too many rules, no DFK, no licking tits, no touching pussy etc, so I asked her to leave as I knew that this was not going to be an enjoyable experience..

I am of Indian origin as well. I never had a problem finding a girl when I visited Bangkok and Patayya. Reading your post makes me wonder why you seem to have such a hard time. What you said about Indians may be partially true but it definitely isn't as bad as you made it sound. Wish you better luck.

[CamelToePokema]

I've been in Pattaya for a week and I'm disappointed with my stay so far. I'm here for 3 more weeks and struggling to crack this honey pot. A little background, This is my first trip to Thailand. I'm Indian origin but from the US. I initially tried going to the discos on walking st. In Insomnia, most of the girls turned their back to me when I approached them. This was shocking to me, but I did sense a pattern that the Indian crowd here does not have a good reputation with the girls and I'm trying to figure out a way to overcome that. I ended up going to Nashaa and a couple of other Indian clubs on walking st, thinking that the girls would be willing to give Indians a shot. The girls in these clubs quoted high numbers like THB 5000-8000 or I could not approach the girls due to the huge crowd for every girl, so I skipped these and decided to try beach road.

I picked up a girl from beach road for THB 2000 and took her to my hotel. She wanted half the money upfront and even though I know this is a bad idea, I gave her THB 1000 as I was not thinking clearly. She then started laying out too many rules, no DFK, no licking tits, no touching pussy etc, so I asked her to leave as I knew that this was not going to be an enjoyable experience.

The next day, I tried the discos yet again but ran into the same problems described earlier, so decided to try my luck again on beach road. I picked up a girl and took her back to my place. I spent a good amount of time talking with her and trying to connect with humor etc When we did get down to the business, it was just mediocre and nothing to write home about. I was just glad to have gotten laid in Pattaya. We got some sleep and again had a mediocre romp in the morning. I paid her THB 2000 for her time, but overall it was sub par for my expectations I had from Pattaya.

I created an account on TF and tried the online approach. I was getting responses until they asked me for my picture. When I sent the picture, all communication ceased. So I'm hitting a wall here.

I'm a friendly guy and made a few acquaintances at the hotel where I stay. They told me to check out a bar named Benelux. So 2 days ago I go there and talk to a nice looking girl and chat her up. She is hesitant to go and she tells me that she needs to think about it and that I should try her tomorrow. I'm convinced this has to do with my Indian origin, so I don't pressure her and continue talking with her for another 10 minutes to manage to convince her to join me for the night. The bar fine was THB 500 and she agreed for THB 1500. I had a good time with her and she was enjoying it too as she was very wet. We got some sleep and had another go at it in the morning. She was very sweet and even got me some cough drops from the nearby store before she left as I was having a mild cough.

So now things were looking up and I was starting to feel optimistic. Today I went to action bar (along with another guy from Sweden who stays at the same hotel as me) and talked up a girl who I fancied. She quoted me THB 5000 for long time. My new Swedish friend agreed with me that this was too high and to not inflate the prices. So I walked away. I went back to Benelux bar. I talked to one of the girls and she said that she was not available for long time. I tried another girl, but got the same response. These girls are standing outside the bar and screaming at passing customers to drum up business. Yet, they don't want to meet with a Indian guy. I've heard horror stories about Indians behaving horribly with the girls, so I don't blame them.

I'm also trying to deal with this conundrum and it's depressing to think that I'm having a hard time getting laid in Pattaya. Any pointers, suggestions to help me get a GFE experience would be welcome.

[IMembr]

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[LittleBigMan]

Not always? In the old days back home, it was " around the world " " Everything is like I take care of you " it can mean something else?

If anal is offered I never turn it down, if the session is going good with chemistry or it is a repeat whenever on doggie I give it the test and start to play with the area if she doesn't push my hand away I lick the thumb and start to slip it in no resistance?

One of my regulars from a massage shop always presented top-notch service worked late night shift could have worked at any Go-Go like the freedom. After a late night out I made it a habit of cruizing by and if she was available we were off I got close but never anal, she would rather offer me bareback which I decline. Thereafter she went to Korea for a year to work when she came back turn into a freelancer and I saw her a few times but she now had become spoiled and service got to be disappointing maybe because she found out I was seeing one of her friends at her old shop. Didn't lie to her told her yes because she does anal and she admitted her friend is a superstar and know to do it regularly with her customers. She was curious I told her I'll break you in if done slowly and correctly you will enjoy it but she declined. After that session, I was pretty much done with her after a year she Line with a bunch of pictures said she misses me etc. That she would do "everything " I replied you sure " everything " she respon yes " everything " followed with french kissing, eating pussy, BBBJ and bareback I said what about your ass? Said still no ass! Bye!

[EihTooms]

I think it might be a euphemism for anal. I once had an older thai chick in my room who was very compliant. After doing some vaginal sex with her I asked her if she fucked in the ass.

She replied "Yes" then added "I do everything".

I agree that in actual practice that is generally what Thai girls mean by "everything." Anal.

It is not necessarily what customers mean by "everything," though. But you can usually bet that is what the girl means by it.

She might go so far as to say, "everything EXCEPT anal" (her assuming that you probably apply that meaning to it, too). LOL. Now that is the most puzzling answer of all since I have yet to meet a Thai girl whose claim to do "everything" for me automatically includes BBFS+CIP, BBBJ+CIM+SWALLOW and may not even include CIM at all.

So, aside from anal and a few relativlely meaningless Cum On finishes, what the hell could she possibly mean by "everything"? Necrophilia? Farm animals?

[Franga]

That's so silly. What's "everything"?

I think it might be a euphemism for anal. I once had an older thai chick in my room who was very compliant. After doing some vaginal sex with her I asked her if she fucked in the ass.

She replied "Yes" then added "I do everything".

[LittleBigMan]

Except this isn't porn in that the porn industry almost demands anal to be relevant. In the real world, there are Japanese guys who will pay extra just for pussy. Which leads to, not every customer will demand A-level service. Go to Thermae and poll how many women there will do A-level. You can see for yourself, right?

You make some good points but here is where you failed! " in the real world " where guys like you get this stuff? Have you been reading the board here? " Japanese guys who will pay extra just for pussy " why in the world would you want to step on a race to try to make a point then go to Thermae and poll how many there will do A-level? Don't ask someone to do something you wouldn't do yourself.

[Rob Jones]

That's so silly. What's "everything"? Double fisting? Bukkake with 30 guys? People have all sorts of weird fetishes, nobody in this world does "everything", but plenty of working girls will have a definition of "everything" that doesn't even include a BBBJ, let alone anal.

I would be very specific. The only thing I take for granted is BBBJ and that is probably playing with fire LOL. It is a business transaction and should be treated as one. You would not employ a builder and not specify all your requirements.

[Crocodilexp]

I generally start off saying: "I'm looking for a lady that does everything". Most girls will get the message. If they don't get it, just cut right to the chase and ask.

That's so silly. What's "everything"? Double fisting? Bukkake with 30 guys? People have all sorts of weird fetishes, nobody in this world does "everything", but plenty of working girls will have a definition of "everything" that doesn't even include a BBBJ, let alone anal.

[Rob Jones]

Dude what are you talking about? Isn't anal included in the price at DD? There are chicks that do it and there are chicks that don't do it. But there is no added cost. That is the same way I manage my P4P. I don't pay a la carte or extra. If she does an act then she does it, but I am not running up my bill trying to coax someone into doing something. I have fucked tons of chicks in the ass, I have skeeted in tons of chicks' mouths, I have filmed and taken pictures of tons of chicks without paying extra. And maybe I don't because having done those acts plenty of times, there is no big deal in it for me to be paying extra or begging for it.

P. S. There are chicks that would not do some things with a certain guy for all the money in the world. That same chick will do all of the above things with another guy for free. Your Mileage May Vary. There is no getting extra pay from every guy every time.

Agree Mr. E. I have not paid for any extras and I usually go with the flow. Most chicks will let you finish in the mouth and anal isn't a big thing with me, if I get I take it but if their backdoor is sacred grounds so be it. I do what I do and unless it is covering up for a blow job if the girl says no then I get on with it. The only extra I may give is a taxi fare if they stay overnight and they have pleased me.

[IMembr]

I agree that extra money only one time and only from one guy isn't enough to persuade ladies to do this kind of stuff. It will work only if she gets extra pay every time and from every guy. Which is possible to do at an establishment like Devil's Den.

It has to be like this, because any extra pay from only one customer and only one time is a relatively small amount of money in the larger scheme of things. It becomes a substantial amount of money only if the A-level lady gets extra pay every time and with every customer.

The porn industry has already proven that this idea works. The ladies who do anal in porn are just as good-looking, if not more so, than pussy-only ladies. And in porn it's standard practice to pay women 1.5 times more for anal, than for pussy sex. They've been doing this for decades.

I'm not talking about some new and untested idea. This is standard practice in porn, and you can see for yourself that it works.

Except this isn't porn in that the porn industry almost demands anal to be relevant. In the real world, there are Japanese guys who will pay extra just for pussy. Which leads to, not every customer will demand A-level service. Go to Thermae and poll how many women there will do A-level. You can see for yourself, right?

[Mr Enternational]

I agree that extra money only one time and only from one guy isn't enough to persuade ladies to do this kind of stuff. It will work only if she gets extra pay every time and from every guy. Which is possible to do at an establishment like Devil's Den.

Dude what are you talking about? Isn't anal included in the price at DD? There are chicks that do it and there are chicks that don't do it. But there is no added cost. That is the same way I manage my P4P. I don't pay a la carte or extra. If she does an act then she does it, but I am not running up my bill trying to coax someone into doing something. I have fucked tons of chicks in the ass, I have skeeted in tons of chicks' mouths, I have filmed and taken pictures of tons of chicks without paying extra. And maybe I don't because having done those acts plenty of times, there is no big deal in it for me to be paying extra or begging for it.

P. S. There are chicks that would not do some things with a certain guy for all the money in the world. That same chick will do all of the above things with another guy for free. Your Mileage May Vary. There is no getting extra pay from every guy every time.

[Dan7373]

This lacks logic. The difference is a freelancer can just move onto the next guy. Any extra money is marginal to a freelancer who hasn't done anal or dislikes it. There are freelancers who are less inhibited and / or more troubled who do anal which there are plenty of. But still have to negotiate up front. Going for a "maybe" or not setting expectations is a total. Newbie move.

I agree that extra money only one time and only from one guy isn't enough to persuade ladies to do this kind of stuff. It will work only if she gets extra pay every time and from every guy. Which is possible to do at an establishment like Devil's Den.

It has to be like this, because any extra pay from only one customer and only one time is a relatively small amount of money in the larger scheme of things. It becomes a substantial amount of money only if the A-level lady gets extra pay every time and with every customer.

The porn industry has already proven that this idea works. The ladies who do anal in porn are just as good-looking, if not more so, than pussy-only ladies. And in porn it's standard practice to pay women 1.5 times more for anal, than for pussy sex. They've been doing this for decades.

I'm not talking about some new and untested idea. This is standard practice in porn, and you can see for yourself that it works.

[IMembr]

I haven't been at Devil's Den, but I suspect that A-level ladies there don't get any extra pay. And that's the problem.

If you make pay the same for pussy and for anal sex, then of course, mostly ugly chicks will go for anal dicks. Perhaps this is where your experience comes from.

In porn, it's standard practice to give women more money for anal-sex than for pussy-sex. And from what I understand, women get paid even more for double-penetration. That's why hot women go for anal with guys in porn.

Thai P4P women aren't any different in this regard. They also have sex for money, just like porn-stars. And they also want extra money to do anal with guys. And if you don't do it like that, then you end up with your kind of experience, where only ugly chicks play around with anal dicks.

More pay for anal is the key to make anal ladies just as good-looking as pussy-only ladies.

That's why I say that you need to start with offering more money for anal to the lady in the same breath as you mention anal. Or else she might think that you want to take her ass for the same money as pussy-sex, and she might say "No" to you just for this reason alone.

This lacks logic. The difference is a freelancer can just move onto the next guy. Any extra money is marginal to a freelancer who hasn't done anal or dislikes it. There are freelancers who are less inhibited and / or more troubled who do anal which there are plenty of. But still have to negotiate up front. Going for a "maybe" or not setting expectations is a total. Newbie move.

[IMembr]

In an extreme case such as the one you describe, your chances of getting the lady to have anal sex with you are poor indeed.

But a lot of ladies have occasional anal sex with some guys, depending on how they feel about themselves and their guy. And with such iffy ladies, you can either ruin your chances or improve them a lot, depending on your approach with the lady.

The thing to remember is that the lady doesn't always say either "Yes" or "No", when you ask her about anal sex. Sometimes ladies say 'Maybe'. They will do it only sometimes with some guys, but not in other times and not with other guys.

And if you look at ladies who have sex for money in porn, then you will see that even ladies who have had pussy-only sex for a long time, might eventually start having anal sex too. A good example of this is a porn-star by the name of Angela White.

Angela White started performing in porn in 2003. She did it pussy-only until 2014. But then in 2014, she started having anal sex with guys. And now she is regularly performing in anal films with titles such as "Bubble Butt Anal S l u t s 4" and "Anal Extremists".y.

You gave an extremely bad example. Angela White had to do that to stay in the business which is the same when a freelancer gets old or is offered a lot of money. If she makes it back to the hotel without negotiating prior, leverage is lost, and time is wasted.