Pattaya Reports

[FL Hawk]

I appreciate the comments. Here are some responses.

Sammon: Looks like you still have not got over this woman. She scammed you.

Of course I have not gotten over her yet! This is still October 2019! The story is not over.

Natty: The relationship is shot and it is your fault.

If she thought she and the family would be better off going to Korea she would have gone. After the next chapter I guess we will find out if the relationship is shot or not.

Banana Boi: I would have paid that for someone I truly like in a heartbeat, whether she is a bargirl or a civilian girl making 300 baht per day.

Good man and good friend.

Dg8787: Send her the dang money! Shit, how the hell did you make it in life? Analysis paralysis at its finest.

Haha. Yes. And I made out pretty well in life by being aware of the risks.

Paolo99: Your posts and the story about that girl are showing that you are an easy target for money.

Huh? She asked for nothing and she very nearly got it. I think my record shows I was more of a cheap Charlie! But now that she HAS gotten money out of me, will your assertion start to come true?

MeltonPie: Why didn't you just take her to South Korea and verify the story?

What story is there to verify? She knew the truth. If she ended up going I would have insisted on a copy of the final contract she signed if she ever wanted to see me again. Read the first chapter to get references to the original reports from April 2019 if you want to go all the way back. At my urging in August 2019 she got a passport.

Danny Duck: .Insults Secret's face.

You insult me Danny. You think I would be going through this for an ugly?

German Man: I am following your story with great interest.

Thanks. This is certainly a real-life story and I am telling it as it happened, with an occasional 'look ahead' when I think appropriate.

DioRetz: If the sum is so little to you, why not just give her the money?

It was a huge amount to her and she should treat it as such. If she could not be trusted with what I gave her, then I would not want to stay with her. I do have money, and if we end up together then I would want to be sure I could trust her with it.

LittleBigMan: The outcome is obvious; different writer, different name, and different day. {punctuation added for clarity}

Umm, care to share what my relationship with Secret is today? I have asked you guys to make predictions.

And a common question: Why is the farm suddenly having a problem?

A legit question. It started years ago. Can I simply say the widowed mother took out a loan and only paid the interest? The debt grew and grew until Secret felt she had to work in Pattaya to get enough money to finally pay it all off. But Secret was not a successful BG and she failed. She was going to make the mother sell the land to avoid an imminent foreclosure (oh, can I mention a mother who didn't want to sell and let her daughter go work in Pattaya? Then she talked to an agent about working in Koreas who offered to advance her money (at an outrageous interest rate of course) if she signed a long work contract with him. Even this is a simplification, but many of you will still say I was scammed no matter what I say.

[LittleBigMan]

Well what fucks my mind is that this is supposed to be a collective culture, but some always seem to be in need. You got 18 mfs living in the house. You mean to tell me you can't find a way to get 100 baht each? Even consider their other family members and friends. They can't take up a collection to save the farm? Even they could go to their facebook and get 50 baht from everybody on their friends list.

In the Black American community in the 60's and 70's if someone could not come up with their payment they would have what is called a rent party. Everyone came to a party at the house and paid an entrance fee, therefore they would have the money for the rent.

Finally getting the chance to kick a bit back and catch up here as I noted early a month up here in the wife farm. First couple of days hook up the water / drain line for her kitchen sink and washer. Then today painted 3 window shuttles in the brazing sun using the make shift Thai ladder. Family getting a blast how I'm doing everything as my wife calls it " Make in the USA " what shocking is they couldn't believe my painting skills, using oil, not one drop on the floor just taking a large cardboard and moving it. Next week is my son cultural indoctrination into the Monk Temple.

I haven't responded to Hawks writing " Secret " for me what is really the secret? The outcome is obvious different writer different name and different day. Sometimes like kids like my Granddaughter no matter how many times they are told not to touch the fire they do some due to being curious they is how they learn. Some read all the books go by their experiences yet come away with little? The writing is about 1 thing yet there is 99.9% more in making it work even 50% and it doesn't matter whether it is a bargirl or not! We grow up with what we learn in the West it is taken for granted it is tough if not impossible to not apply it here? I hear people say " I understand " but next word or move same action.

When it comes to the Thai culture they have really done a number on the female here making them feel guilty or responsible so much that they selll themselves to us and even their own. Who really knows the truth but as one poster noted why all of a sudden the farm is having a problems. I too read the writing with interest but there are warning signs everywhere believe or not the 2 year contract is a big red flag although I'm sure there are some majority of them are at best for 1 year. Thais with very little education everything seems to be based on hearsay, rumors and superstitious they have their own network so unless they know first hand someone who has actually gone abroad they might getting themselves into something they can't get out. For someone who doesn't even like to travel to Bangkok now is going to take a 2 year contract?

Thais that have very little are surprisingly very resourceful in the end they seem to make it happen? Looking for Love, it comes down to the more you give the more they love why do you think they call us ATM, even if she Loves when you get over that huddle it is only the first one what is he going to do the rest of the race or journey? I being Asian it comes down to this! If she is looking for Love they might as well stay with her own race this I know has come out of the mouth of many Thais I know who are BG or just normal. Any Thai who is with a foreigner is to have a better life just like winning the lottery if she was sitting eating Songtam with her family and friends they be comparing and if she told them it is just love and got nothing she would be laughing and rolling on the ground but of course Thai aren't going to do that they will wait until she turns her back.

Finally took a shit today I had to squat for 5 minutes my legs nearly gave out!

[Member #4698]

(I originally posted this reply in the General section, but since everyone is replying here I have re-posted it over here where it is in context with the current conversation).

I used to enjoy laying over for a couple of nights in Amsterdam on my way to and from Thailand. I liked the Coffee shops, walking around the red light districts, and then doing the shop girls stoned on Nederhash. I have not flown the trans-European route in a long time, ultimately preferring the longer trans-Pacific no layover route, but I am sure that post pandemic USA-AMS-BKK flights will be available again. The shortest duration USA trans-pacific route is to either Manila or Hong Kong. Hong Kong sucks now and I will never lay over there again, but Manila is a great place to stop off for a few days on the way to BKK. So is Singapore if you don't mind spending a few bucks.

[Kerrstar]

Long non stop flights are cheaper. Otherwise you need to buy multi city tickets. Some airlines allow free stopover at their home airports. Those cannot be booked online. Need to use travel agents.

You can book stopovers through some airline websites. I've done it many times with Thai and Singapore Airlines. You need to choose the multi-city option when you book.

[Dg8787]

Has anyone broken up the long flight into 2 or 3 shorter legs with overnight layover? Would love to go but don't think I could handle the long flight.

You can hop flights to Honolulu, Guam to Asia.

[Dg8787]

You better be careful taking that shit. You didn't see the story of the preacher that peed on the girl in the plane the other night?

Depends. I mean he can use depends with his meds!

[Mr Enternational]

Thanks Horatio. I have gotten very antsy on flights as I age. I would need a sleeping pill or tranq to make it. The stops you mentioned would even be too far. My problem though. Will see if I can get the right meds and make a decision.

You better be careful taking that shit. You didn't see the story of the preacher that peed on the girl in the plane the other night?

[ChuchoLoco]

Has anyone broken up the long flight into 2 or 3 shorter legs with overnight layover? Would love to go but don't think I could handle the long flight.

Thanks everyone! All great answers from obviously experienced travellers.

[Sammon]

Has anyone broken up the long flight into 2 or 3 shorter legs with overnight layover? Would love to go but don't think I could handle the long flight.

Long non stop flights are cheaper. Otherwise you need to buy multi city tickets. Some airlines allow free stopover at their home airports. Those cannot be booked online. Need to use travel agents.

I have done many multi city flights so that I can visit as many countries as possible mostly for sightseeing. I like long flight to Asia and hop short flights to nearby destinations. If you go to middleast via Turkish, Emirates, Qatar etc that will be two long flights.

When you travel to Asia you still need couple of days to recuperate before indulging in our hobby fully.

[AggieDad1]

Has anyone broken up the long flight into 2 or 3 shorter legs with overnight layover? Would love to go but don't think I could handle the long flight.

If you can be flexable on when you can travel and search daily you can usually find a round trip business class seat for around $3000. This will allow you to lay flat and sleep for most of the flight. Of course this was my experience pre-covid. Who knows what it will be like when things open back up. I just hope we get all the direct flights back we had from Houston. I loved flying the non-stop on Air China from IAH to PEK. Lots of connections from PEK and if I wanted to lay over it wasn't hard to find a cutie to play with and help with the jet lag.

[Questner]

Has anyone broken up the long flight into 2 or 3 shorter legs with overnight layover? Would love to go but don't think I could handle the long flight.

You can incorporate this one into your flight legs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_Hopper.

[ChuchoLoco]

The long part of the flight is across the ocean. You can't break that up. You can have a layover in Qatar or taiwan or somewhere like that. But I would rather just tough it up and take the long flight at once and be over with it. A layover seems like a waste of time unless you really want to visit there.

Thanks Horatio. I have gotten very antsy on flights as I age. I would need a sleeping pill or tranq to make it. The stops you mentioned would even be too far. My problem though. Will see if I can get the right meds and make a decision.

Thanks again.

[Horatio]

The long part of the flight is across the ocean. You can't break that up. You can have a layover in Qatar or taiwan or somewhere like that. But I would rather just tough it up and take the long flight at once and be over with it. A layover seems like a waste of time unless you really want to visit there.

Has anyone broken up the long flight into 2 or 3 shorter legs with overnight layover? Would love to go but don't think I could handle the long flight.

[ChuchoLoco]

Has anyone broken up the long flight into 2 or 3 shorter legs with overnight layover? Would love to go but don't think I could handle the long flight.

[Member #4733]

Well what fucks my mind is that this is supposed to be a collective culture, but some always seem to be in need. You got 18 mfs living in the house. You mean to tell me you can't find a way to get 100 baht each? Even consider their other family members and friends. They can't take up a collection to save the farm? Even they could go to their facebook and get 50 baht from everybody on their friends list.

In the Black American community in the 60's and 70's if someone could not come up with their payment they would have what is called a rent party. Everyone came to a party at the house and paid an entrance fee, therefore they would have the money for the rent.

It seems you know about collective culture and the rent party is definitely new to me. Thanks. But whatever the outcome of Hawk's story, it is possible to borrow money and have the farm as a collateral. That would apply especially to a situation where the sum is too large or the season is not good for asking money from your friends. For example the time that you have to pay things for your farm, like seed and fertilizer. That comes for all the community in the exactly same time. You could call such a loan by the bank a mortgage. So, what is new.

At Hawk.

If the sum is so little to you, why not just give her the money. You like her. You would act according to your own goodness of heart. And not to this distrust that seems to trickle into your story all the time. Even if you still don't trust her you could just ask an IOU that is verified. If you can put that into a legal document you could sell it. Probably lose a bit on it's default value, but so what. But thanks for the update. It remains a nice story.