Pattaya Reports

[Fast Eddie 48]

When the topic or question of which destination is better, Pattaya or Bangkok, has anyone read a post from a self-proclaimed go-go bar and bargirl expert or otherwise stating how and why Pattaya is definitly the destination to choose between the two for better looking girls who give better service?

If not, then I suppose everyone's agenda is no different than mine in addressing that topic or question; to provide a realitic response to it. I honestly don't understand why there is a controversity about it for anyone who has spent more than a single day and night in each place.

Pattaya has its pluses. I have cited some of them. But being the choice between the two for punters looking for more and better opportunities to meet and be with better looking girls who provide better service is not something I have read too often if at all on this site.

To Eihrooms.

I always tell ISG member that PM me it depend how much that you like to spend if you have a deep pocket Bangkok have more choice and better quality, if you go to Pattaya have better value for your baht, I always like to spend a few days in each place or go to Phuket for the beach and other [CodeWord118].

Fast Eddie 48.

[EihTooms]

Wonderful response!

When the topic or question of which destination is better, Pattaya or Bangkok, has anyone read a post from a self-proclaimed go-go bar and bargirl expert or otherwise stating how and why Pattaya is definitly the destination to choose between the two for better looking girls who give better service?

If not, then I suppose everyone's agenda is no different than mine in addressing that topic or question; to provide a realitic response to it. I honestly don't understand why there is a controversity about it for anyone who has spent more than a single day and night in each place.

Pattaya has its pluses. I have cited some of them. But being the choice between the two for punters looking for more and better opportunities to meet and be with better looking girls who provide better service is not something I have read too often if at all on this site.

[JamesGuess]

Went to Sabadee in the afternoon. Many girls to choose from on the stage. The one I like was always the expensive girl with a rate of 3000 bhat. They were not ready to bargain though it was a weeday afternoon. Finally selected no 1 girl who was looking pretty. In the room she wasted lot of time cleaning the bath tub. She had fake boobs which I didn't recognize before selecting her. She was very mechanical and didn't give a good B2B. Finally after wasting 45 minutes she put the condom, spread her legs and told me to make love. I was completely turned off and told her to fuck herself. Left the place without anything. I suggest try Honey 2 which is better. They even have a free pick up facility.

[Chris H]

You're really showing that you are a complete newbie when it comes to the current Pattaya gogo bar scene. Either that or your taste in women is quite questionable.

ET, I'm not sure what your agenda is on here but it's clear you want everyone to know Bangkok is better. For everyone reading this board yes Bangkok is better. Please go to Bangkok and drive up the prices there and leave Pattaya for us expats.

Wonderful response!

[EihTooms]

It's been revealed to me (and I'm sure others), by the most knowledgeable go go bar guy on ISG, that the girls in Siamsin's photos do not belong to any Pattaya go go bars. Instead, all those girls work and dance in Nana in the corner Rainbow that was mentioned above for the past 6-7 years. The small bar only has around 20 regular go go dancers so they would be easy to spot. You would think as a Bangkok resident, an expert in Nana girls, and somebody who recently frequented Rainbow, would have recognized them. I'm thinking somebody got their hand caught in the cookie jar. So any assertions or expertise about being able to recognize who has the better looking girls, Bangkok a go go's or Walking Street's just went out the window. But thanks for your trying and hope you play again.

Now, if you had only quoted the rest of my post about which bars in Bkk have the best lookers, you would have revealed how you botched your little plot so badly. I assume that is why you didn't quote the rest of it:

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The bars with the hottest barfinable for sex girls in Bangkok are probably Rainbow on the ground level in the back right side corner of Nana Plaza, Billboard Nana Plaza, Baccara and Shark on Soi Cowboy. But, as you know, this can change nightly. Of those, Billboard is the only one I pull from fairly regularly. I don't target the hottest girls in a bar or red light distrct for my purposes. 2nd or middle tier girls ok. But not the hottest.

See, I don't even pull from that Rainbow bar. I have only popped in a few times in the past to look around, not get the vibe I am looking for and move on. Which, as I have said several times, has little or nothing to do with targeting top lookers. I don't even pull from Billboard more than once every 2-3 months.

Add to which I never claimed to be an expert on Nana gogo bars or girls and certainly not where the best lookers are. I have repeatedly mentioned over the past couple of years that the majority of my sexual encounters are from dating sites, mention them all the time, freelancers, non P4P girls I meet in regular shops, malls and restaurants around town, less in the bars lately and least of all in MPs.

But I still go to some Bkk bars to shop around, buy Lady Drinks, take a girl if so inspired. Same as I do in Pattaya when I am there.

If what you say is true about the group shots of gogo girls Siamsin posted, then even Siamsin recognized that there was no "gotcha" in my response to it.

Not only did I say they look fine, but I said group shots like that always look fine no matter where they come from. I didn't see anybody else pointing out that, hey, aren't those the same 20 girls who have been working in Rainbow bar Nana for the past 6-7 years. Probably because shots like that always look cookie cutter fine, very little difference in them. LOL. I am sure the hope was that I would say something like, oh now see how inferior that cookie cutter same shot of girls from Pattaya looks compared to the similar shots of girls in Bkk. But, of course, I didn't. Too bad you are not nearly as perceptive about that as Siamsin was.

I wish I could say Nice Try and all that. But, honestly, this lame effort was obviously not thought out very well. Still, thanks for resurrecting a topic nobody had mentioned for a few days.

[EihTooms]

It's been revealed to me (and I'm sure others), by the most knowledgeable go go bar guy on ISG, that the girls in Siamsin's photos do not belong to any Pattaya go go bars. Instead, all those girls work and dance in Nana in the corner Rainbow that was mentioned above for the past 6-7 years. The small bar only has around 20 regular go go dancers so they would be easy to spot. You would think as a Bangkok resident, an expert in Nana girls, and somebody who recently frequented Rainbow, would have recognized them. I'm thinking somebody got their hand caught in the cookie jar. So any assertions or expertise about being able to recognize who has the better looking girls, Bangkok a go go's or Walking Street's just went out the window. But thanks for your trying and hope you play again.

And you came to this conclusion after I said the last 2-3 times I stopped in that Rainbow bar was about a month ago, that I am not the guy to ask where the best lookers are since I don't target the best lookers in a venue, that photos can mislead more than inform, while Siamsin and others were asserting the girls in those pics, which I probably looked at for all of 6 seconds in total, were of non gogo bargirls or TF girls in Pattaya?

Amazing, Sherlock.

So those three girls have been working along side the same other 17 girls in that same bar for at least 6-7 years? Maybe I didn't recognize them since I also don't tend to target older ladies in the bars.

[Banana Boi]

Songkran starts tomorrow but the water throwing has already begun. VERY cute young girl with a water gun and backpack hops on the baht bus beside me. Bus is not full but she sits rubbing her leg against mine. I knew our baht bus would be a huge target. Any chance a wannabe can shoot a cute girl they will. Ride was pretty quiet until we hit the beer bars along Beach Road after Soi 6. The cute girl uses me as a shield and starts shooting away. It was game over after that our entire baht bus was drenched. This girl kept putting her head near my crotch to protect herself. She was already soaked so I think she was doing it on purpose. Anyways we got talking when things calmed down after Central Festival. I missed my stop to get her Line. She works at Tukcom and says she's seen me around town. Got to love Pattaya!

[RacShack]

So there are 3-4 popular go-go bars on Walking Street where the Top Girls in Pattaya work. I have not only been in those go-go bars as early as the hour they open their doors, but I have sat outside them in adjacent restaurants and bars and watched the girls arrive in their street clothes. And I have not seen any girl entering or exiting those bars, alone on the way in and with a customer on the way out, that was better looking than above average girls, not even qualifying as Top Girls, in Bangkok go-go bars At this moment I can only count and recall 1 girl I saw in Pattaya over my recent 7-8 visits that beat as many as, oh, 10 Bangkok girls I could see on any day or night stroll around my neighborhood But I have not seen a girl that good looking and sexy going in or out of a Walking Street go-go bar.

The bars with the hottest barfinable for sex girls in Bangkok are probably Rainbow on the ground level in the back right side corner of Nana Plaza, Billboard Nana Plaza, Baccara and Shark on Soi Cowboy

Last times I was in that Rainbow Bar was 2-3 times about a month ago

As you know, I didn't hit the gogo scene in BKK. So how do these attached pics of Pattaya gogo girls compare to the hottest barfinable for sex girls at Rainbow, Baccara, Shark & Billboard? Really interested to know your opinion as I might be persuaded to check out the gogo's in Bkk on my next trip.

Your group shots of go-go dancers look fine. Group shots of go-go dancers always look fine no matter where they are from.

It's been revealed to me (and I'm sure others), by the most knowledgeable go go bar guy on ISG, that the girls in Siamsin's photos do not belong to any Pattaya go go bars. Instead, all those girls work and dance in Nana in the corner Rainbow that was mentioned above for the past 6-7 years. The small bar only has around 20 regular go go dancers so they would be easy to spot. You would think as a Bangkok resident, an expert in Nana girls, and somebody who recently frequented Rainbow, would have recognized them. I'm thinking somebody got their hand caught in the cookie jar. So any assertions or expertise about being able to recognize who has the better looking girls, Bangkok a go go's or Walking Street's just went out the window. But thanks for your trying and hope you play again.

[GeneralM]

Being a man, my understanding of me and men around me is like this. Men are wired to evolve very differently than most women understand. To start my explanation: men have inherent desire for respect and happiness combined. Most of the times, they may not even realize this till 30 but crave for both in one person, mostly from spouse or partner. Unfortunately in many cases (if not most), getting both respect and happiness from one person of opposite gender is a distant dream. A beautiful wife / girlfriend thinking that she is doing a favor by sleeping with you for example, is a non-starter for many young men. Another example would be below average spouse / girlfriend respecting the relationship but still not making your eyes happy. Blessed are the ones who found a spouse who can provide both respect and happiness, these are the unicorns that I am yet to meet one..

After a 25 year marriage to a Unicorn that stabbed me in the back, I too found out that we are wired differently. Women have a 'what have you done for me lately' parasitic love, even unicorns.

[LookAtWorld]

Sorry, I can't find it but there was a pretty convincing post here a while back making the same argument. The school nerd who grew up bullied by jocks and ridiculed by the cute girls has grown up to now buy the hottest gogo dancers regardless of their actual performance. The good looking jock who once dated air head barbie dolls now pays for girls who tell him what he wants to hear and provides some emotional companionship.

Makes sense to me.

Enjoy. G.

Being a man, my understanding of me and men around me is like this. Men are wired to evolve very differently than most women understand. To start my explanation: men have inherent desire for respect and happiness combined. Most of the times, they may not even realize this till 30 but crave for both in one person, mostly from spouse or partner. Unfortunately in many cases (if not most), getting both respect and happiness from one person of opposite gender is a distant dream. A beautiful wife / girlfriend thinking that she is doing a favor by sleeping with you for example, is a non-starter for many young men. Another example would be below average spouse / girlfriend respecting the relationship but still not making your eyes happy. Blessed are the ones who found a spouse who can provide both respect and happiness, these are the unicorns that I am yet to meet one.

There starts a burning desire inside men that drives to explore the greener pastures and soon realizes that they are not much green either. This will go on till 35 to 40. Once a man reaches 40+, he will have enough experiences to clear his mind and make a sound decision on what he wants. He proceeds to choose one spouse accordingly or decides to remain a butterfly or something else. In essence, a man starts a journey to discover his emotional maturity and most reach it by the time they hit 40+.

If a man doesn't hit emotional maturity by 50+, that's what I call as mid-life crisis where he continuously feels that he deserves better. Mostly, he remains in the same thought and ends-up hating himself or the partner. I call this as emotionally wrecked and they have constant need to self-validate. The example you gave above, a man satisfying himself by going with top go-go dancers is one such case. I understand the effect of abuse as child but there is nothing a man can't stand emotionally given the way we evolved as species. A man can find hope and use his intellect in any situation irrespective of how emotionally exhaustive it is. Some in opposite gender might be able to do this but I say this is a gift to men-kind.

Disclaimer: I am not trying to generalize billions of men on planet. This is just my personal experience based on limited exposure to men from 6 countries that I interacted / worked with. My apologies if I have offended anyone.

Maybe, this is where I agree with a statement I heard from gay folk that "it takes a man to understand another man". Being a hetero-sexual man, I am sure I will never know.

[Goferring]

Syzygies,

My theory? Some / many but not everyone is trying to compensate for something? IE, a lack of feeling loved in their lives? Or some inferiority complexes, et al! (I think many hetero men can easily substitute anonymous sex for real intimacy) just look at the gay dudes and glory holes.

Is it a fools errand? Please opine.

Sorry, I can't find it but there was a pretty convincing post here a while back making the same argument. The school nerd who grew up bullied by jocks and ridiculed by the cute girls has grown up to now buy the hottest gogo dancers regardless of their actual performance. The good looking jock who once dated air head barbie dolls now pays for girls who tell him what he wants to hear and provides some emotional companionship.

Makes sense to me.

Enjoy. G.

[CzarNicholas]

Syzygies,

My theory? Some / many but not everyone is trying to compensate for something? IE, a lack of feeling loved in their lives? Or some inferiority complexes, et al! (I think many hetero men can easily substitute anonymous sex for real intimacy) just look at the gay dudes and glory holes.

Is it a fools errand? Please opine.

[EihTooms]

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I think it must be a psychological fear of missing out on something, that makes guys want to try so many different girls.
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I think it is hardwired in the brains of virtually all male animals to copulate with as many different females as possible in order to propagate the species. It certainly isn't a psychological disorder, malady or weakness, and particularly not in the human animal since we don't give birth in "litters". With a 9 month gestation period in order to give birth to only one child the vast majority of times, accounting for mortality rates and the cases where copulating with one female over and over again might not produce an offspring at all, it has been necessary for human males to copulate with many different females since prehistoric times. "Modern civilization" has hardly been going on long enough to erase that hard-wiring in our brains. It is still there.

[Syzygies]

I personally don't enjoy Billboard.

Seriously, how old do you want them? It's just not the look you go for I guess, un-westernized fro the most part. Billboard has girls easily prettier than most Nana bars for me. I assume you were referring to Billboard in Nana (even we are in Pattaya thread).

Last trip to Rainbow 5, yeh I liked one girl a lot, my buddy Natty's girl. The rest a bit so-so although once some bras came off, I was more impressed by one or two. More nice natural tits than I expected. So it is partly over dressed outfits that are spoiling my desire for girls. Ilike see though bras or very smooth shear material without altering shape too much.

Have not taken a girl from any Rainbow bar for several years, so long that I lost track completely. So taste varies. Have taken just a few girls from Billboard but I must admit only one or two were memorable. The rest weak performance.

I will take a girl from any bar though if she appeals to me.

I did take 3 or 4 Bacarrat girls years ago and repeated all of them I think. Managed not to select a dud from there, or if I did, I forgot that one now. I remember the good ones much better. They were all natural girls, no surgeries. One later got her tits done, and I lost interest after that (she moved to Deja Vu as well).

My success rate in Crazy House was probably only 50% over years.

I used to do very well at Sheba (hardly any dud girls and they all liked Farangs). Hardly much surgeries. Sheba closed though about 6 or so years ago.

Having started mongering here really in 1991, I got used to the real Thai exotic looks. So the modern looks "from another planet" never quite worked for me, especially put off by coconut tits and bird-beak noses, and even dislike the very weird hairstyles but tolerate the colour, the tats, the piercings, etc. Thais were supposed to have long black straight hair. Ha ha.

Having said I like plain, it is only a small percentage of the plain Thais that really look pretty enough, if that. I might see just 1 or two good looking Thais in the carriage if on the BTS. A carriage full of normal (plain) people.

I remember in 1991 I thought that about 20% of Thai girls of a suitable age were reasonably good looking. Not any more. It might only be 2 to 4% now.

My Thai GF approaches 40. Tanned skin these days, not at all white (white never was a criteria), cute nose off course, and rather hot for a guy of my age. My mother was stunned at how I got a pretty young girl. My GF certainly was my spec, although originally a bit too slim (not too slim now).

My mongering would have dropped to 10% of what it used to be. Reasonably happy with just a few regular girls. New girls tried per year, is so few now. Its always a roll of the dice.

Last Oase visit Adele was away, so actually tried two new girls. One was a total dud and one Nelly was fabulous. That is okay The good one can now be repeated in the future (if she lasts). Have 3 regulars there now. Carla, Adele, Nelly. Even one former regular from years ago returned making 4 possibles.

I get enough different pussies (with really great attitude and fun) not to search for new girls continuously. Only 1 or 2 of my regular bar girls is still there though. The rest retired, got taken by some farang, etc. My regular MP girls are all gone as well.

Finding really top girls in the bars and MPs seemed to have got harder, or maybe I just got too old for it, and harder to please, and I appeal to the girls less as well. Found one really pretty slim girl in an MP about 2 years ago but she did not last, so have to see her privately now.

I think it must be a psychological fear of missing out on something, that makes guys want to try so many different girls. I just don't have time for it any more. The desire to try out Pattaya died away. I kept meaning to find a week or two timeslot to go try it, but never did. Other priorities.

[EihTooms]

Well at least we agree on something. I think the Rainbow bars are the best gogo bars in Nana / cowboy. When was your last visit to the Rainbow bar (Rainbow 2 I believe) on the ground floor?

Baccara good too but hate how the girls stand in the same place set after set and they don't rotate. Wouldn't be so bad if seats weren't more difficult to find than a Super Bowl ticket.

I personally don't enjoy Billboard. Don't find them young and cute like I prefer.

You don't like Twisters or KC2?

Last times I was in that Rainbow Bar was 2-3 times about a month ago. As far as KC2 goes, I have not mongered in Patpong in about a year. Last Patpong bar I pulled from was Black Pagoda. I much prefer taking the girl to my apartment vs a local ST hotel room. And since I live moderate walking distance or very short taxi distance from Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy, those are the go-go bars I generally pull from. Taking a girl to my apartment from Patpong is either a weird hassle on two BTS trains or an MRT train and a BTS train or might take as long as 45 minutes by taxi depending on traffic conditions.

I am no expert on exactly which bars have the most or best looking girls on a given night since I do not make it my goal to take the best looking girl in a place. I find the best looking girls in any venue to be spoiled by their ability to make money by doing very little and too lazy to deliver much of value to me in the bed, mostly suitable for prestige-seeking punters who simply must be seen walking out of a bar with the top girl or girls. I am more than happy to leave those girls to the guys who need that. I am long past such a need.

However, my ideal situation is to be in a red light district where there are plenty of "best" looking girls all around, in the bars, doors or curtain open, milling around outside the bars, up and down the soi, all over the place and immediately visible to all. And that includes "best" looking girls who just work in restaurants and shops in the immediate area. I don't mean a majority of them are going to be "best" lookers. Just enough for some to be highly visible in any direction. Nana Plaza best provides that kind of environment in Bkk, imo. In such an environment, the 2nd tier girls, the middle range girls, let's say the "merely" good looking, cute or sexy girls have to be on their game in order to compete with the highly visible "best" looking girls in the area. Hiding the "best" looking girls behind closed doors in 3-4 special bars does nothing to contribute to the environment I'm talking about. In fact, it is counterproductive to it.

It is in that environment where those 2nd tier, middle range, "merely" good looking, cute or sexy girls feel they MUST offer more, do better, say "yes" to this or that in order to compete with girls that are right there two paces to the left or right of them and will be taken by eager prestige-seeking punters regardless how crappy their service in the bed might be. Many times that group has to actually be better looking than they would need to be if there weren't many top lookers easily visible to all as well.

Oh, a "best" looking girl in the joint has certainly fallen into my lap a few times. And if I put my best effort to it (game? Maybe some. Money? Certainly), it is quite easy for me to get virtually any of those girls to go with me. But then what? Chances are 19 out of 20 the girl will say "no" to the kind of True GFE I require because she knows she will be taken by plenty of guys who don't require it. Or I will get the "no" in the bar, which I much prefer between the two. No big deal. But often a waste of my time. Getting the kind of True GFE I require to justify the money spent with "merely" good looking, cute or sexy girls in their low 20's is just fine for me. And easier done when the conditions I described above are in place.