Pattaya Reports

[MrManGuy]

You Americans just need to accept the average America no longer has a lot of money. Your 200 USD is nothing to Thai people now. There are many many families in Pattaya now. Gogo bars are barely brothels with most girls masking a salary and drinks beónus and need only 1 or 2 customer short time per week.

In pattaya you either settle for average girls (who are still decent but the main reason to hire them is their personality) or you play the GoGo game of buy 10 drinks fight for scraps of japanese men. Maybe next time don't vote for idiot republicans with economic policies that only make sense for a minority. If you are in they minority then you have no problem paying 6 k LT. She is a lovely girl and an extra 2 k baht is just $60. Stop being tight wad.

[MrManGuy]

I do not agree with your comment that Thailand is more expensive than USA for a good quality of life. Here are some statistics pulled from Numbeo.com:


Indices Difference Info
Consumer Prices in United States are 58.16% higher than in Thailand
Consumer Prices Including Rent in United States are 78.31% higher than in Thailand
Rent Prices in United States are 141.16% higher than in Thailand
Restaurant Prices in United States are 206.96% higher than in Thailand
Groceries Prices in United States are 43.87% higher than in Thailand
Local Purchasing Power in United States is 305.72% higher than in Thailand

With respect to your comment about some Thais character, I could not agree with you anymore. Many Thai people as noted by others on this board and my opinion are racist, rude, and some men can be violent. They really don't welcome Farangs into their culture and embrace them even over time. If you get in a fight with a Thai man, be prepared to have many other Thai men jump in and help their fellow comrade beat the Farang, no matter if we are right or wrong. Also, lets not forget Lewis and Rosemary Owen from Wales, both grandparents in their 60's on vacation with their son who got beat up mercilessly by several Thais in Songkran because their son accidentally bumped into a Thai man causing him to spill a drink of beverage.

If it were not for the nice girls, I would not come here, so true.

Statistics are almost useless. Just sum totals. Would include family in isaan with buffalo and metropolitan girl in Bangkok. You want to live USA quality off life then Thailand is more expensive.

[DrifterMan]

I'm thinking of spending New Years Eve in Pattaya. What is the general scene like? I suppose everywhere will be in party mode and full of people.

[Blanquiceleste]

In fact Ultra Happy's post and analogy about the coffee bean buyer was flat out brilliant and he is clearly a man of wisdom. And you respond to him that it is useless banter to discuss prices (which many mongers apparently agree its good information to review prices) , and then you state there is no point coming to LOS if "one hole is as good as another. " (You really are being condescending here, again. )

Now, lets just move on.

If you think that analogy was brilliant, then perhaps he should run for Chief of the Federal Reserve and you could apply for the position of his secretary.

On second thought, ya. Let us just move on. Because this banter is really a waste of time. Too many Ferraris to bang out there.

[StudBucket]

I ain't takin' away that right, I am just sayin' its useless. Your world in the present is what is in front of your eyes. One has to respond to that present moment in a way that maximizes what you are after. Carpe Diem. Anything else is a waste of time.

There is a reason why people from world over come to Thailand. And that reason is what you get in Thailand isn't available anywhere else. Now if its a hole you are after at the end of the day, then your argument is valid. To extend that coffee analogy, paying $10 for a latte at Starbucks in Thailand is undoubtedly stupid when you can get the same back home. No contest.

Peace Love Empathy mate! If you care to notice I did not start the attacks. Write about your adventures all you must and we will read with rapt attention.

Boy Blanquiceleste, you sit here and state you did not start the attacks. If you look at my original post, I merely stated that in my opinion paying 6 k for top quality girls in Thailand is too much and you replied with a very smug remark "You want a Ferrari for a price of a Toyota. " That is why I responded with my comment about "guys like you ruining the market". So, if this is not insulting to you, then you really need to wake up. Then, other posters come along, and tell you it is okay to compare prices. In fact Ultra Happy's post and analogy about the coffee bean buyer was flat out brilliant and he is clearly a man of wisdom. And you respond to him that it is useless banter to discuss prices (which many mongers apparently agree its good information to review prices) , and then you state there is no point coming to LOS if "one hole is as good as another. " (You really are being condescending here, again. )

You should toss out more of your funny remarks, as that is all they are good for.

I never stated I hate Pattaya, nor suggest that mongers should question coming here. In fact, I continue to rank it up there with Angeles City as my favorite places to monger and recommend it to all. I simply agree we all have choices and other top girls can be found in Pattaya or other countries without paying the high prices of these gogo bars. Now, lets just move on.

[Crocodilexp]

There is a reason why people from world over come to Thailand. And that reason is what you get in Thailand isn't available anywhere else. Now if its a hole you are after at the end of the day, then your argument is valid.

Thailand's GFE advantage is fairly close to slipping away. Just about 5-10 years ago, every second hooker was sweet (and cheap! These days, it's every 10th, and given the prices, those odds are no longer fun unless you're truly desperate for that Thai GFE hooker experience which was more or less the norm before.

[StudBucket]

5 k LT is excellent price. Thailand more expensive than USA for a good quality of life.

The problem is the GoGo bars themselves have rude out of control staff who are incredibly pushy and rude. Never seen anything this bad anywhere in the world. Just had a 2 k bill inc barfine shoved on my face. Like literally shoved. Thai people are horrible. I don't mind the price it's the poor service and thai violence I can't stand. Most racist country ever. Luckily Thai women are wonderful hookers.

I do not agree with your comment that Thailand is more expensive than USA for a good quality of life. Here are some statistics pulled from Numbeo.com:


Indices Difference Info
Consumer Prices in United States are 58.16% higher than in Thailand
Consumer Prices Including Rent in United States are 78.31% higher than in Thailand
Rent Prices in United States are 141.16% higher than in Thailand
Restaurant Prices in United States are 206.96% higher than in Thailand
Groceries Prices in United States are 43.87% higher than in Thailand
Local Purchasing Power in United States is 305.72% higher than in Thailand

With respect to your comment about some Thais character, I could not agree with you anymore. Many Thai people as noted by others on this board and my opinion are racist, rude, and some men can be violent. They really don't welcome Farangs into their culture and embrace them even over time. If you get in a fight with a Thai man, be prepared to have many other Thai men jump in and help their fellow comrade beat the Farang, no matter if we are right or wrong. Also, lets not forget Lewis and Rosemary Owen from Wales, both grandparents in their 60's on vacation with their son who got beat up mercilessly by several Thais in Songkran because their son accidentally bumped into a Thai man causing him to spill a drink of beverage.

If it were not for the nice girls, I would not come here, so true.

[MrManGuy]

Soi6 has many good lookers for 1 k baht.

[MrManGuy]

5 k LT is excellent price. Thailand more expensive than USA for a good quality of life. The problem is the GoGo bars themselves have rude out of control staff who are incredibly pushy and rude. Never seen anything this bad anywhere in the world. Just had a 2 k bill inc barfine shoved on my face. Like literally shoved. Thai people are horrible. I don't mind the price it's the poor service and thai violence I can't stand. Most racist country ever. Luckily Thai women are wonderful hookers.

[Member #4698]

There is a reason why people from world over come to Thailand. And that reason is what you get in Thailand isn't available anywhere else. Now if its a hole you are after at the end of the day, then your argument is valid. To extend that coffee analogy, paying $10 for a latte at Starbucks in Thailand is undoubtedly stupid when you can get the same back home. No contest.

I couldn't agree more with the above. Everybody has different tastes in girls. I see this all the time in my favorite Go Go's in BKK where different guys are very happy with girls I would not choose to do for free and vice a versa I am with girls that some other punters would consider no good because they have no butt, or meat on the bone. LOL.

So, my preference is for young, demure, pretty, Asian girls of mostly petite size although I occasionally go for taller girls when I am in a place like Macau. I have done some Asian girls in Europe and in America. All I can say is, it's not the same thing. It is not as good as doing them in Asia. Now if I preferred Latinas, I know I could save myself a hell of a lot of air travel time, not to mention expense, by going SA like I used to do in the 90's. I may go back to SA someday and revisit some of the hot spots, but not in 2018,2019, or anytime soon. LOL.

And ditto for guys that like Caucasian girls. If you like European girls then you are in luck. Go to or stay in Germany. Or I hear Greece is dirt cheap, but I wonder about the quality there. HA HA. Anyway, forget about LOS. You are not going to like it half as much as I do. And I have similar advice for guys that think all girls are fungible I. E. The same everywhere. There is no point to flying to BKK and paying Go Go or Soapy prices if one hole is as good as another to you. There are still some cheap destinations out here, but keep in mind, that prices are going up everywhere especially for good looking girls so better hurry and find your place.

Africa might be worth checking out for some punters. AC & Subic are still very affordable for many. And there are some out of the way destinations, like Mong La, Burma that might really pay off for guys that like to explore a little and get off the beaten track. I say, go for it, whatever your "it" is.

I wouldn't rule out Indonesia, there are some real stunners in Jakarta. I believe that the Philippines has some cuties as well, but I haven't spent enough time there to really know. Two extremely quick trips is all that I have managed.

That said, I do really like Thailand. Great food, stunning women, first class accommodation if you desire and it's pretty easy to get around Bangkok these days.

I really like Jakarta & Manila girls too. If it were only about the girls and all else were equal, I would spend more time in Jakarta and Manila than BKK, maybe. But it is not just about the girls. There is the overall ambiance of the destination, the level of safety, the infrastructure, living expenses, culture, food, transport, things to do other than mongering, ect ect. Taken on its whole, including girls and all the various venues (nightlife), I believe BKK/Pattaya is still the best place in Asia to recreate despite all the negatives and expense.

Personally, I would love to spend more time in Jakarta and Manila, because of the wonderful local girls, not the price benefits. Both Jakarta and Manila can be very expensive for quality girls. Unfortunately, I find 3 weeks at a time is all I can take of Jakarta or MNL before I get the strong urge to get out of Dodge. On the other hand, 6 weeks in BKK and I am still good for another 6 weeks. Why? Because as I said upfront, it is not only about the girls. There are great girls everywhere. HA HA. Well almost everywhere: BKK, Pat, MNL, CGK, Phnom Penh, AC, Sin, Macau, Shanghai, Vientiane, and Yangon. But I find BKK is one of the only large cities in Asia where I can be happy Long Time and remain relatively sane as long as I am able to make frequent short time excursions to other nearby locales and take a break. And there is no comparison between Pattaya and AC, its closest competitor. I would never choose to live in AC, although a week or 10 days there can be a lot of fun.

[Kerrstar]

Other places that are cheaper like Phillipines or Indonesia, quality is not there, wasted trip, not to mention terrorism threats etc, Thailand is still place to go.

I wouldn't rule out Indonesia, there are some real stunners in Jakarta. I believe that the phillipines has some cuties as well, but I haven't spent enough time there to really know. Two extremely quick trips is all that I have managed.

That said, I do really like Thailand. Great food, stunning women, first class accommodation if you desire and it's pretty easy to get around Bangkok these days.

[Blanquiceleste]

It is perfectly legitimate to compare prices in different venues of the world and the legitimacy of those prices in the view of the payor.

I ain't takin' away that right, I am just sayin' its useless. Your world in the present is what is in front of your eyes. One has to respond to that present moment in a way that maximizes what you are after. Carpe Diem. Anything else is a waste of time.

But for folks like StudBucket who have a choice about where they shop, it's perfectly legitimate for him to ask himself, "Why should I fly 2 days to get somewhere where I end up paying the same or more than other venues when I could have just went elsewhere more convenient and gotten the same thing (or something better) for cheaper or the same price?

There is a reason why people from world over come to Thailand. And that reason is what you get in Thailand isn't available anywhere else. Now if its a hole you are after at the end of the day, then your argument is valid. To extend that coffee analogy, paying $10 for a latte at Starbucks in Thailand is undoubtedly stupid when you can get the same back home. No contest.

I personally benefitted from StudBucket's post because it gives us, the readers, more data about prices in Thailand in various venues (and the variability of those prices). In all my reading of Thailand posts, the majority of ISG posters seem to focus on a price range of girls that clearly differs from the range of girls that StudBucket was targetting. In this way, StudBucket's post is a refreshing addition to these other data points. My personal fear is that I will find myself in StudBucket's same dilemma when I make my first trip out there later this Fall. But I will never know until I try, so I must go there and try.

If I end up sharing my subjective impressions about the prices in Thailand after my trip there this Fall, please don't beat up me up Mr. Blanquiceleste.

If I do share my subjective impressions about my future trip, which, I am fairly certain, will include comparisons to other locals, then please don't take that future post as a personal attack on you merely because my subjective impressions differ from your personal preferences or opinions. Likewise, this is an open forum where StudBucket is permitted, indeed, encouraged to share his personal experiences and opinions.

Peace Love Empathy mate! If you care to notice I did not start the attacks. Write about your adventures all you must and we will read with rapt attention.

Its guys like you that continue to support these high prices (paying $200 for long time) and approving of it, that have ruined the market for us. Thanks!

[PVMonger]

It is perfectly legitimate to compare prices in different venues of the world and the legitimacy of those prices in the view of the payor. Yes, I agree with you that the price of something in a particular local is the price, and you either pay it or you don't. No doubt about that.

But for folks like StudBucket who have a choice about where they shop, it's perfectly legitimate for him to ask himself, "Why should I fly 2 days to get somewhere where I end up paying the same or more than other venues when I could have just went elsewhere more convenient and gotten the same thing (or something better) for cheaper or the same price?.

As a monger who lives in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, I'd like to add that StudBucket's comments apply to Mexico and to Puerto Vallarta as well.

A monger can get ST here for $50-$60 USD per pop (from a fat fugly SW) to $300 USD / hour (from a really good looking chica). Other locales in Mexico are the same, more or less. IMHO, the larger the city, the more competition. And competition keeps prices a little more reasonable.

But the issue to me is the same. If I can get a decent experience for $100 USD in PV, why would I take a trip to Guadalajara and incur the costs of the trip and end up with an experience no different from what I could get where I live.

(That having been said, I lurk on this board 'cause I have a friend who live on Phuket and I hope to visit him someday and partake of some of the local talent. But the primary motivation for the trip would be to visit my buddy).

[DavidSchmauch]

First of all, you will not compare Angeles City with Pattaya if your mind is clear and sober; I like AC and had two or three nice shots out there, but Pattaya is a different animal, the biggest place of this kind that I've ever seen, and I have seen a lot. Pattaya has it all working for itself, a pretty good size beach, huge city with very good infrastructure, world class hotels, over 600 bars with very beautiful babies and then some. I went to walking street which is a gogo heaven and was disappointed with prices; at 5 k LT I don't think it's worth it. I've seen same very good looking girls there, but so did I see some Ferraris or something like it on Soi 6 and they all go for 3000 LT and 2500ST. This girl that goes by the name of Surichai at the Redbone bar on Soi 6 is amazing; something that would cost $500 in NYC. Then there is another girl in the next bar over, forgot her name or the name of the bar, same price, looks like that singer Selena, huge latina like butt, beautiful face. Some Thais lok Latin a little bit. Then yeah, most of these other girls at those bars and good for quick thing, I would compare them to Toyotas and Kias, but once in a while you will find a pearl there. This girl Surichai does ST only, she will not go out LT because she makes more money through quick, one hour pops, all those good looking stunners will not go out for the night. Price comparisons Pattaya vs other places; Medellin, $12 for half HR vs Pattaya $100 all night (3000 bht) and we have a clear winner. Rio or Sao Paolo or Costa Rica $150 per HR, with all due respect. Other places that are cheaper like Phillipines or Indonesia, quality is not there, wasted trip, not to mention terrorism threats etc, Thailand is still place to go. People are so nice and soulful here, I love Thailand, not so much Pattaya as I do like Phuket, but hey.

[Banana Boi]

If you're the ISG member I followed into a Soi Full Love Inn gentleman's club today, PM me. Let's get together for drinks.