Pattaya Reports

[Turgid]

Perhaps tourists don't know about such places, but there are thousands of expats in Bangkok who speak passable Thai, some even have Thai friends and could easily discover such places if they were of any interest to them. "Nataree type clubs" are not exactly secret, and easily discoverable by anyone looking (for how else would they get customers, it's not a secret society type deal).

Sure, there are Thai-oriented places with prettier women than lower Sukumvit, such as The Lord or Maria Massage, but what they provide is generally way too overpriced for rather basic service (by Farang standards), and while ok, not all that stunningly impressive.

In addition, some of the girls at Nataree were from neighboring countries, and they are now banned from working, at the threat of closing the venue. Nataree was shut down to set an example that police is serious in enforcing this.

Thai-oriented PFP scene has declined as much, or even more, than the Farang-oriented scene. While there might be a handful of semi-private venues for wealthy Thais or Chinese (at the high end of the price range), there are no major undiscovered secrets at decent prices known or available only to Thais.

(again, apologies for being off-topic on the Pattaya thread, but I don't know how I'd move the conversation elsewhere)

In my next visit to Thailand if I do not get to bang the equivalent quality of girls I got at Nataree in 2015 I would not return there. I can get really fine women in Latin America and SEA is too far to travel to for subpar girls. (Sorry for posting this response to an off-topic post on the Pattaya thread).

[Mr Enternational]

Thai-oriented PFP scene has declined as much, or even more, than the Farang-oriented scene. While there might be a handful of semi-private venues for wealthy Thais or Chinese (at the high end of the price range), there are no major undiscovered secrets at decent prices known or available only to Thais.

Why do people always suspect there to be some holy grail or el dorado? And even if there is, then what? I know a place with literally tons of gold that you would not believe. It is called Fort Knox. You think I am just going to be able to stroll right in? Maybe someone can devise a plan to get us inside.

I would not blame Thais one bit if they did have a secret place. Mfs always want some shit that is off limits to them. It is the old give them a mile and they want to take a foot. Even if there was a room full of roses with a pile of dog shit in the corner, you could tell a mf to help themselves to all the roses they would like, but don't go near the dog shit. Where is the first place they would try to go to? The corner with the pile of dog shit. This is just human nature. They even have a story about it in the bible. Folks are gracious enough and let you into their land to partake and soon there is an effort to take the place over.

[Crocodilexp]

Nataree type clubs that farang don't know about

Perhaps tourists don't know about such places, but there are thousands of expats in Bangkok who speak passable Thai, some even have Thai friends and could easily discover such places if they were of any interest to them. "Nataree type clubs" are not exactly secret, and easily discoverable by anyone looking (for how else would they get customers, it's not a secret society type deal).

Sure, there are Thai-oriented places with prettier women than lower Sukumvit, such as The Lord or Maria Massage, but what they provide is generally way too overpriced for rather basic service (by Farang standards), and while ok, not all that stunningly impressive.

In addition, some of the girls at Nataree were from neighboring countries, and they are now banned from working, at the threat of closing the venue. Nataree was shut down to set an example that police is serious in enforcing this.

Thai-oriented PFP scene has declined as much, or even more, than the Farang-oriented scene. While there might be a handful of semi-private venues for wealthy Thais or Chinese (at the high end of the price range), there are no major undiscovered secrets at decent prices known or available only to Thais.

(again, apologies for being off-topic on the Pattaya thread, but I don't know how I'd move the conversation elsewhere)

[Turgid]

Yes, and unfortunately, Nataree has been raided and permanently closed for a few years now.............

That is common knowledge.

There is no reason to doubt that there are other Nataree type clubs that farang don't know about with young luscious belles that cater to well to do Thais.

[Crocodilexp]

When I visited Thailand in 2015 I spent most of my time in Nataree. For me they had a great number of young beautiful girls, more than any other establishment. Many of their customers were well off Thai and other Asians, I hardly saw farang when I went there.

Yes, and unfortunately, Nataree has been raided and permanently closed for a few years now.

(Sorry for being off-topic on the Pattaya thread).

[Beno69]

Our only solution is to sacrifice the 4 Billion people in the world who live hand to mouth and have no savings. It is totally worth them losing everything and committing suicide to protect 500 million people who are over the age of 65 and have a poor immune system and are at risk of dying a few months early from COVID-19.

.....The much better solution is to let the 4 billion poor people on the planet just die. Let millions of small businesses go under so the whole world is controlled by large conglomerates.

....People would much rather wear a mask and wait patiently for their miracle vaccine.

I hope it's ironic!

[Master Monger]

Comment from thaivisa.

The party is truly over for anyone involved in the tourism sector. And for the foreseeable.

If you are a foreigner with a business in tourism, you should have cut your losses and ran already.

Worse to come too, travelling to these areas will become more dangerous with more scams, gouging, crime rates will rise exponentially against foreigners, envy and jealousy of people with money will kick in and things will get nasty.

Our only solution is to sacrifice the 4 Billion people in the world who live hand to mouth and have no savings. It is totally worth them losing everything and committing suicide to protect 500 million people who are over the age of 65 and have a poor immune system and are at risk of dying a few months early from COVID-19.

I couldn't agree with you more, if you cut your finger, you should cut off your whole arm to stave off the infection. The dumbest thing we could do is let everything go back to normal and let survival of the fittest make its natural selection. That is just impossible! The much better solution is to let the 4 billion poor people on the planet just die. Let millions of small businesses go under so the whole world is controlled by large conglomerates.

Those elderly people are our Grandma's and Grandpa's we can't let them die a couple months early for the greater good. Although you shouldn't lose hope Berrys66 because a vaccine is coming for those of us who can afford it! We will be saved like the rapture! I mean people could just get off their lazy asses and stop stuffing their fat faces junk food and actually improve their health and immune systems, but that is way too much to ask. People would much rather wear a mask and wait patiently for their miracle vaccine.

If you are afraid to live, because you are afraid of dying, then you are already dead.

MM.

[Berrys66]

Comment from thaivisa.

Mr Meeseeks.

I was in Pattaya yesterday and the beach was empty. It looked pristine.

Businesses gone everywhere; boarded up, shut down, for sale and rent, gutted out, entire blocks fenced off.

The odd foreigner wandering about, but it was like a ghost town.

The party is truly over for anyone involved in the tourism sector. And for the foreseeable.

If you are a foreigner with a business in tourism, you should have cut your losses and ran already.

Worse to come too, travelling to these areas will become more dangerous with more scams, gouging, crime rates will rise exponentially against foreigners, envy and jealousy of people with money will kick in and things will get nasty.

Those that were prudent and squirreled away money for a rainy day may get through this.

Spendthrifts and money-wasters that live hand to mouth are in trouble.

[Turgid]

Honestly, I'm not seeing any amazing looking girls on FFF. Virtually ALL the pictures are heavily processed (apps make this easy these days), and in many you can't even see their faces. It's not entirely fair to compare them with sex workers we see in real life.

So far, I've taken 3-4 FFF girls, and they looked ok, but just on par with ThaiFriendly (or even a bit worse), not exactly the cream of the crop. The process is a bit too cumbersome for me, though, not really appealing. I don't care to throw out a bunch of messages and wait several hours to meet up with whoever would take me.

When I visited Thailand in 2015 I spent most of my time in Nataree. For me they had a great number of young beautiful girls, more than any other establishment. Many of their customers were well off Thai and other Asians, I hardly saw farang when I went there.

[Crocodilexp]

If you have a look at FFF and other websites directed towards Thai men, then you will see gals that are way better looking than what you get in farang venues. And the prices are usually between 1500 and 2 k. So I'd say it's not a myth.

Honestly, I'm not seeing any amazing looking girls on FFF. Virtually ALL the pictures are heavily processed (apps make this easy these days), and in many you can't even see their faces. It's not entirely fair to compare them with sex workers we see in real life.

So far, I've taken 3-4 FFF girls, and they looked ok, but just on par with ThaiFriendly (or even a bit worse), not exactly the cream of the crop. The process is a bit too cumbersome for me, though, not really appealing. I don't care to throw out a bunch of messages and wait several hours to meet up with whoever would take me.

[Banana Boi]

If you can speak Thai you can easily find the spas and the model and sideliner websites. They're not hidden.

It's not a matter of IF I can find other alternative sites rather I don't look. If someone posts a site on here I may check it out but I don't Google looking for other sites. There are many other English sites especially a very well known big one for Pattaya that I barely read and that site has way more real reviews and expats than this site which is mainly tourists who either never have been to Thailand and pretend to have been or go to Thailand once or twice a year and think they know it all.

[Paolo99]

You might also learn what Thai people think of foreigners if you listen closely enough.

Be respectfull and behave well and they'll be respectfull with foreigners also.

When you see some foreigners collecting plastic bottles in garbage for years in Pattaya it doesn't surprise me when some Thais put most foreigners in the same category you stated in your earlier post: the falang ki nok.

[Rick Rock]

Yep. If you plan on being in Thailand often or for an extended period, learn to speak Thai. It impresses the sh1t out of girls and it's very funny listening to Thai girls bad mouth their Farang customers in Thai right in front of them. I had a ugly short haired girl at Palace say bad things about me in Thai thinking I didn't understand her. I yelled back at her in Thai and she ran away in shame. Also had a Soi 6 girl say stuff to me in Thai. Called over the manager and he chewed her out right in front of me. Also have girls talk in Thai saying I'm cute. I just sit back and smile not letting these girls know I understand them.

You might also learn what Thai people think of foreigners if you listen closely enough.

[Rick Rock]

Can you name some of the spas that are mostly for Thais? Which sites are these? I can speak Thai so I can get in to many places that other Farang are unable to get in to.

If you can speak Thai you can easily find the spas and the model and sideliner websites. They're not hidden.

[Rick Rock]

Why would "gals that are way better looking than what you get in farang venues" work in Thai places for less money? Is it the language hassle or just not wanting to do farangs?

What hassle? Even the ones who work in Pattaya for 10 years can barely put together a sentence in English.

The fact is most people in Thailand do not like foreigners. Especially farang ki nok.

Another is that many women who work with Thais make more money. Yes you've read that right.

It seems a lot of western people really have no idea what goes on outside of their holiday beach resorts. There is wealth in Southeast Asia that could make your head spin around on your shoulders.