Pattaya Reports

[ThatGuy68]

Started my evening out at LK metro to give it another try. First stop was sugar sugar agogo at about 8 pm. The atmosphere was pretty boring. I was one of two customers. I made it through until second round of damcers which seemed to be the higher prices models. But only two would have been a choice for me. I like the younger petite ladies normally. I bought the best one a drink and she had to dance soon there after. I made my exit as it was nothing I could live without.

Next stop was paradise agogo. At first glance I almost did a you-turn. But then I seen one lady that wasn't dancing at the time that really caught my eye. So I went for a beer. Her name was soi. Was only in Paradise for 4 days. 20 years old and petite. Best dancer in the place. The good dancers always get me. She was too sexy to pass up so I talked to mamasan. This was a first for me but she talked me into holding her for 1000 baht. Then come back after midnight for her and be cheaper. Maybe buying mamasan a drink paid off yet again?

I moved on to koas gogo. Had some really old ladies in there. Only lookers were taken by this time. One beer and I exited.

Stuck my head in ninja agogo but decided to check out papagayo due to advice from a fellow mongerer. It was 11 pm or so and nothing caught my eye. I believe it was said to go early. So I will try on another night. I ended up going to windmill for a hour and half of fun before returning for my lady at paradise.

My lady from paradise was great. We went out and partied. She drank too much. But the deeds were still done. BBBJ to BBFS. After problems with BBFS last trip I said I wouldn't do this but I was drunk also and it was done before it even registered what occurred. Had a little bit of symptom this morning (4 days later). Bit worried. Think I visit clinic. Seems same problem as last time that's just beginning. Probably a reason most here talk to bad about BBFS. Dur dur.

Took off for 3 days to go to Hua Hin with a lady I met last trip. Very very boring even with lady. I'd never go without lady. Nothing I saw of interest.

Tonight I check out the list Banana boi mentioned for lookers. I will report back. Hopefully my reports are helpful. Still learning a little bit.

[Uncle Volodya]

Prices of what have gone up? My rent is still the same 4500 baht that it was 8 years ago. Baht bus still 10 baht. Fruit on the street still 10 baht.

Wow that sounds like a good deal. Where are you staying? How big is the place? What kind of condition is it in?

I usually get a 1 BR condo close to 2nd road around Avenue Mall. But I wouldn't mind trying other options.

Thanks in advance!

[Goatscrot]

Now, another quick review is of the Kittens BJ bar in Soi Post Office. That was probably the worst BJ I have ever had, and overall the worst value of P4 P experience I've had (only the K-Pressure in HK could compete with that). BJ costs 850 thb and it was just mediocre. And the whole place is bad.

Um. Had some great sessions in K-Pressure.

[Banana Boi]

Thanks for your review, Dart.

Now, another quick review is of the Kittens BJ bar in Soi Post Office. That was probably the worst BJ I have ever had, and overall the worst value of P4 P experience I've had (only the K-Pressure in HK could compete with that). BJ costs 850 thb and it was just mediocre. And the whole place is bad.

We don't read much about Soi Post Office (Soi 13/2) and Soi Yamato (Soi 13/1) on here. I've seen the odd cute girl on both streets over the years but have never tried any out. I asked pricing from one once at Home Massage and was quoted a ridiculous amount (no, it wasn't because she wasn't interested in me since she ran to the other side of the soi to get me). After that, I never bothered asking. Anyone else have good or bad experiences on the many shops on both sois?

Can you recommend a good blow job bar near kittens because that will be my first stop when I land to clear the pipes.

you're likely better off to go to Soi 6 or one of the many G clubs like Kinnaree or on Soi Full Love inn.

[Rob Jones]

I'm a bit vary on breaking into the heated discussion here, but I just wanted to share an experience with couple of establishments in Pattaya. .

The first one is (in-) famous Devils Den. I actually had quite low expectations as a lot of reviews I've read were not that great, but I had time to kill before my flight, I already checked out of the hotel and I didn't want to bother with bars and ST rooms, so went to DD.

It actually exceeded my (low) expectations! I've found the papasan guy to be really helpful and courteous, he explained everything well and he was also clear there is no pressure to select the girls if I don't like any. I ended up picking Vicky and Bee who seemed to be the best options in the lineup. The looks are probably on the level of BKK PSE oilies.

The room was a bit of let down, just a cramped room with a double bed, even the swing thing wasn't there. But its ok, doesn't really matter but I think the place would really benefit from redecorating the room in more of the sexy devil style, doesn't cost much and would make a difference to the mood.

The process I found overall to be really nice. Surprisingly nice actually. Vicky spoke pretty decent English (Bee didn't), and overall Vicky was a good choice with good BJ skills and better looks once the clothes were off (Bee wasn't). I wouldn't hesitate to do an outcall with Vicky. The girls would do pretty much whatever you want, they can fuck each other, they can fuck you, you can do a trio, whatever. You need to guide them though. With Vicky speaking decent English it was easy to tell the girls what I wanted. They also were restless, in just over an hour they made me cum 3 times and were eager to go for round 4. The only downside was them chatting to each other in Thai all the time which I don't understand. Not that I care much, but its somehow a bit uncomfortable. Overall, its not cheap, but I felt I got value for my money but I also think I was lucky with the choice of girls, as I've also heard some really mediocre experiences.

Now, another quick review is of the Kittens BJ bar in Soi Post Office. That was probably the worst BJ I have ever had, and overall the worst value of P4 P experience I've had (only the K-Pressure in HK could compete with that). BJ costs 850 thb and it was just mediocre. And the whole place is bad.

I am happy you posted this. I am going to be in Pattaya in 10 days time and devils Den is on my to do list. I am planning on a 2 hour session the cost from their website being 4800. I think Vicky was on my preferred list due to the fact that she does anal. Did you pick both girls or pick one and allow her to choose the other? It's not cheap but to experience a threesome with PSE it is ok but to justify the cost I know that for the same amount of money I can't get a decent P4 P where I live for 1 hour so 2 girls for 2 hours seems like a bargain. Can you recommend a good blow job bar near kittens because that will be my first stop when I land to clear the pipes.

Thanks Rob.

[LittleBigMan]

Prices of what have gone up? My rent is still the same 4500 baht that it was 8 years ago. Baht bus still 10 baht. Fruit on the street still 10 baht.

As for FL on Beach Rd, a lot of them have normal jobs in the day and kids at home so they are not trying to work in a gogo bar or be in a party scene. Hell, most of the guys in this forum don't even like going to iBar, but you expect her to have a physical or medical defect if a BR FL doesn't want to go? Not every woman in Pattaya was sent there from across the country by their families. Some actually do live in Pattaya with their families and can not be out partying at all hours. So they go out to get the quick money and take their asses back home.

And as on FL that I used to deal with told me, if someone would give me 10K baht/month I could keep my ass home and not have to do this anymore. That is why giving chicks 5000 baht and shit like that seems ridiculous to me.

Mr. E.

A few months back I responded to some of the general nonsense that is being preached. Now as you know I'm no brain surgeon and we all post here based on our experience and generalized but reading his post it is just over the top. Thereafter he went away most likely feeling red face even on the Internet now he is back and that is his right.

As noted, we all generalize but his experiences seem to go down as pure " fact " there is no left or right, stubborn and no compromise. Just because it happen to him or he heard it therefore it is now fact. Now you know I'm Asian, got no game never had, not a handsome man and rather pay since I can't stay up late and like the Go Go so paying is my preferred method but never had any Go Go kick out the numbers as being fact. I sense from his writing the reason he is getting those numbers is a way so they don't have to go?

[Dart13]

I'm a bit vary on breaking into the heated discussion here, but I just wanted to share an experience with couple of establishments in Pattaya. .

The first one is (in-) famous Devils Den. I actually had quite low expectations as a lot of reviews I've read were not that great, but I had time to kill before my flight, I already checked out of the hotel and I didn't want to bother with bars and ST rooms, so went to DD.

It actually exceeded my (low) expectations! I've found the papasan guy to be really helpful and courteous, he explained everything well and he was also clear there is no pressure to select the girls if I don't like any. I ended up picking Vicky and Bee who seemed to be the best options in the lineup. The looks are probably on the level of BKK PSE oilies.

The room was a bit of let down, just a cramped room with a double bed, even the swing thing wasn't there. But its ok, doesn't really matter but I think the place would really benefit from redecorating the room in more of the sexy devil style, doesn't cost much and would make a difference to the mood.

The process I found overall to be really nice. Surprisingly nice actually. Vicky spoke pretty decent English (Bee didn't), and overall Vicky was a good choice with good BJ skills and better looks once the clothes were off (Bee wasn't). I wouldn't hesitate to do an outcall with Vicky. The girls would do pretty much whatever you want, they can fuck each other, they can fuck you, you can do a trio, whatever. You need to guide them though. With Vicky speaking decent English it was easy to tell the girls what I wanted. They also were restless, in just over an hour they made me cum 3 times and were eager to go for round 4. The only downside was them chatting to each other in Thai all the time which I don't understand. Not that I care much, but its somehow a bit uncomfortable. Overall, its not cheap, but I felt I got value for my money but I also think I was lucky with the choice of girls, as I've also heard some really mediocre experiences.

Now, another quick review is of the Kittens BJ bar in Soi Post Office. That was probably the worst BJ I have ever had, and overall the worst value of P4 P experience I've had (only the K-Pressure in HK could compete with that). BJ costs 850 thb and it was just mediocre. And the whole place is bad.

[Christian G]

Enjoy it or move; but don't make out like the best girls are 700 baht on beach road.

I really don't know if you are just a troll or you don't understand the concept, but is not so difficult to understand. Nobody wrote that the best girls are on BR.

The points are:
- is this possible to have ST in Pattaya for less than 1000 baht? Yes.
- is safe to pick up girls on BR? Yes.
- All girls in BR are sick? No.
- All girls in BR are thief? No.

Are you sure that all gogo girls or bar girls or freelancers in Ibar don't have any STD or HIV? You can't be sure!
Are you sure that a girl who stay on BR at 10pm not go to WS disco after midnight? No, you can't be sure.

What is on beach road are girls who can't work in establishments; ask yourself why? She is either a thief, has HIV

Again, stop to write these fucking BS! Maybe they dont want work in establishments. Your accusations are simply false you can't generalize, you do not know what you're talking about.

[MeatMan]

The one thing I agree on is competition for girls can get tough. That rightly leads to price increases.

Because of racism against us in Japan and Korea.

Asians are superior as customers in Thailand. They have more money than the average westerner and they stay at the best hotels and can afford the best hookers. Girls don't want to argue with some idiot American who thinks 1997 prices should still apply. They are there to make a profit and make the most profit with Asian customers. It pisses me off; as this low balling is making girls think twice about westerners.

How far this goes is anyone's guess. I won't pay much more than 7000 for LT and of it goes to 10 I won't go around saying the best girls are on beach road I'll say they are still in the GoGos but I won't pay what's being asked because its too much for me personally for what's on offer.

I am against members of this forum making out that the Koreans and Japanese are stupid and over paying for girls. They are just paying the market rate for quality. There is a lot of hidden racism against the Thai on here; implying that because a girl is thai then she can't be worth more than 1 k which is BS.

It's almost 2020. The world changed. Prices went up. Enjoy it or move; but don't make out like the best girls are 700 baht on beach road. What is on beach road are girls who can't work in establishments; ask yourself why? She is either a thief, has HIV or is too ugly for a bar. If she was a good looking part time freelancer she would be at ibar, with all the other lookers, but I don't recommend that either and those girls usually charge more than 1 k.

I actually lost a billion brain cells reading this.....

[Mr Enternational]

It's almost 2020. The world changed. Prices went up. Enjoy it or move; but don't make out like the best girls are 700 baht on beach road. What is on beach road are girls who can't work in establishments; ask yourself why? She is either a thief, has HIV or is too ugly for a bar. If she was a good looking part time freelancer she would be at ibar, with all the other lookers, but I don't recommend that either and those girls usually charge more than 1 k.

Prices of what have gone up? My rent is still the same 4500 baht that it was 8 years ago. Baht bus still 10 baht. Fruit on the street still 10 baht.

As for FL on Beach Rd, a lot of them have normal jobs in the day and kids at home so they are not trying to work in a gogo bar or be in a party scene. Hell, most of the guys in this forum don't even like going to iBar, but you expect her to have a physical or medical defect if a BR FL doesn't want to go? Not every woman in Pattaya was sent there from across the country by their families. Some actually do live in Pattaya with their families and can not be out partying at all hours. So they go out to get the quick money and take their asses back home.

And as on FL that I used to deal with told me, if someone would give me 10K baht/month I could keep my ass home and not have to do this anymore. That is why giving chicks 5000 baht and shit like that seems ridiculous to me.

[Haven123]

The prices are still a pittance. Europeans and Americans have experienced savage wage depression and economic inequality so are now not so rich as they once were. While many outside of the USA and Europe have seen fabulous increases in disposable income and they want to shove it in some pussy.

The one thing I agree on is competition for girls can get tough. That rightly leads to price increases.

You have got to be one of the most uninformed people wrt to American's net worth.

1. Most Americans have had huge gains on their primary home since real estate prices have gone up quite a bit since 2009. People on the east coast and west coast have seen their home prices double or triple. Heck even in many Texas cities they have doubled during that time.

2. During the same period, stock prices have also more than doubled even considering or after returning to prior highs from before the financial crisis of 2008. The vast majority of Americans have significant assets in their 401 K.

Those making minimum wage or say even $50 k per year are NOT the type of Americans who even have a passport, let alone come to Thailand.

Asians tend to spend more when they drink and smoke, IMO, because it's also a socially liberating venue for them.

Asians do not have Mexico, Central America or South America close to them. So, they mostly prefer to stay in Asia whereas Americans are coming here and also in the other geographic regions.

Finally, there are some people who have $ but keep it quiet and are happy to see others part with their money and quietly smile on the inside knowing they could easily spend two or three times more than many of the Asians in Pattaya, and not care,! But are simply not going to do that here.

So, I think you are comparing apples to oranges. Just like the Russians who come to Pattaya are not the rich Russians, or even upper middle class Russians. I see very very few upper middle class Americans here. Mostly young guys with limited $ and net worth. A very large number of the Americans I know can drop $25 K in a month but simply are not going to. Why? Because over 95 pc of the girls in Pattaya simply are not in that class.

Even today there are more millionaires in the US than in Japan, Korea , China, India or Europe. That’s a fact.

[Breadman]

How's it coming along? Was trying to find an opening date, did find an article about the concern of the mall owners of the increase in online buying in Thailand. Guess amazon is cutting into everybody's profit.

[LittleBigMan]

I was about to ask the same question. How is everyone so privy to what the Japanese and Korean mongers pay chicks? For all we know they could be paying half as much as you.

Mr. E.

I'll humor him? For those guys who always think they are part of the big dick department with the 3-3-3 thinking? Is that a good enough reason they should get the pay less menu?

[MrManGuy]

The prices are still a pittance. Europeans and Americans have experienced savage wage depression and economic inequality so are now not so rich as they once were. While many outside of the USA and Europe have seen fabulous increases in disposable income and they want to shove it in some pussy.

The one thing I agree on is competition for girls can get tough. That rightly leads to price increases.

[Haven123]

Every year, particularly in recent years, more guys are flocking to Pattaya thinking this is where there is mongering arbitrage. Ready to be picked or found. Unfortunately, nowadays many of the newcomers come here and discover that - No - things are not so easy in this marketplace.

The global economy, cheaper air fares, and supply of Hotel rooms, apartments etc brings more guys here for 5 days or less for a cost of maybe $700 for air fare and hotel / incidentals. Maybe these guys budget say another $500 for drinks and girls.

This very same global economy and the internet options have reduced the supply of quality girls in Pattaya.

Unfortunately for them girls under 25 who are 6. 5 and above at a go go means drinks, bar fine and a ST go go girl 6. 5-7. 5 is 1,000 (drinks), 1000-1500 bar fine and 4,000 for the girl. LT total cost is 8-9 K.

After 3 days, these guys have only their day 4 and 5 left and a total sunk cost of close to $800-$1000 for their entire trip. So, on day 4 and 5 most of these guys have their backs against the wall. Pay up or go home with a 5 or under or over 35 yo from a beer bar for a total cost of 3. 5 k.

What does this MEAN IN TERMS OF NUMBERS?

If the 5 day average trip for guys coming here is correct then on any given day about 40 PERCENT of ALL the guys visiting here are on their day 4 or 5 with 48 hours or less behore they have to leave.

So, with 40 pc of visiting guys with their backs against the wall on a given day and the total sunk cost of their trip (due to demand being much greater than supply) go go prices are increasing rapidly.

Guys are flocking to the discos but many of these guys who seem confident in a go go bar don't seem to have the courage to propose to a girl. Or they don’t have any game . They just clam up. And both the quantity and quality of girls at the discos are also way down. So, lots of frustrated guys in general and on this board. Things are definitely a lot more challenging folks.