Pattaya Reports

[Mr Enternational]

Finally, someone here who understands economics. I've given up trying to explain how giving a generous tip does not in fact 'ruin the market for all of us', though I am still waiting to hear if getting freebie helps the market for all of us, and if not, then why not.

IMHO pussy is a commodity such as salt, gold, rice. I mean with 6.8 billion units on this planet you gotta figure that 3.4 billion came with a pussy as standard equipment. 1 baht of gold = 1 baht of gold = 1 baht of gold. Why would I pay 3000 baht for 1 baht of gold on Soi 8 when I could pay 1000 baht on Soi 6? When there is a pussy glut such as there is in Thailand at any given time, I'm not going to pay as if I was in the U.A.E. where pussy is scarce.

On the surface I might b^tch and try to get the point across that people shouldn't pay more than necessary. However underneath I'm not personally worried about it because at the end of the day at 38 years old I'm still young enough and have plenty of game to back me up. I just like to look out for the next monger.

[Normad2020]

DG68,

(1) AirAsia from Bangkok to Jakarta.
(2) In Jakarta stay at Sparks Hotel (interesting night activities at the hotel) which will put you squarely in the action areas near Kota with Lokasari Plaza located diagonally opposite the hotel. If you are bored there, venture (by taxi which is cheap) to ManggaDua area or if you like the sleazy setting head to Jalan Pelatehan (spelling?) where clubs like Top Gun, etc are located.

Cheers
normad2020

Most likely true, but that isn't all. First of all there are less supply, since the poverty is lower and the population increase is low now in Thailand. There are some foreign girls at least in Bangkok (middle eastern and Russian cater mostly the Indian and Arab clientel), than African girls. Also, from other Asian countries, for example reasently I talked with two Philippine girls whose work now in Bankok. But, also true many more Thai girls work abroad than foreign girls work in Thailand.
Thecost of living in Bangkok and Pattaya is high, so the prices for p4p do also rise. The Thai currency is strong against European and US currency as in many Asian countries now. And last but not least Punter pay serious cash for pretty girls, so why should they go for small money?
I can have cheaper P4P in my Home Town Frankfurt, even with prettier girls. I still spend my hollyday in Thailand, but it was not like before a easy decision. I had plans just to stay a few days in Thailand and than head to Jakarta. But, I got a little lazy, is still funny in the clubs and I know already some pretty freelancer who provide decent service for normal prices. So, I have doubt, that I will buy a ticket to Jakarta. It's most likely alot of hazzle to find the right hotel and to get familar with the situation there.
But, that means also I have to extent my Visa, since my Hollyday is longer than 30 days.
Or can a someone give good advice about the best airline to Jakarta, decent, gf and not too expensive Hotel in the center of the action in Jakarta?

[Member #3428]

Even for the minority of girls who prefer the easy money of prostitution to more strenuous toils, there are so many well-off Thai men now that they can have the easy money without ever having to put up with the hated farang. Again, here I am only talking about the very attractive girls - as we all know Thais would never have relations with about 90% of the girls in Pattaya, much less pay for it.

For clarification purposes only and not slamming you Opebo you just opened the door here, what Thai's and Asians find attractive is generally NOT what Farangs find attractive. General Statement not true all the time of course but what a Japanese Customer likes is not always what an American likes. That's not even considering what Thais find attractive. I see White ladies (russians, american whatever) who I think are butt ugly dog turds that are being paraded around by thai's who find them a status symbol or hot or whatever for whatever reason.

People complain about Farangs walking their Isaan rent a wives around but I find it just as disgusting to see the Thai's / Asian's parading around and obese and or butt ugly piece of white trash. Or thai's walking around with Hi So thai girls so pasty and noses so far up in the air. Just is disgusting to me.

I know many many many girls who work Farang Bars who started working at Thai GO GO's in other parts of the country who got NO customers from the thai's. But they head to Nana / Cowboy / Pattaya and they are in demand or paid a higher rate by foreigners.

A wing man of mine and I have exact opposite tastes in ladies and what we look for. We rarely ever pick or choose or like the same girl. What he enjoys and finds attractive I would not take to bed. What I enjoy and find attractive he would rather chew off his arm then take to bed. He's Asian but raised in American I'm a mutt living more towards Asia.

Different strokes for different folks in all things. The point is to enjoy your mongering within the level and means you can monger. There is not any one style or rule or form that we all must follow.

Some people think my girls are strong bodied dark skinned isaan farm girls, and well, to put up with me they have to be strong and energetic not white pasty delicate want to be princesses with attitudes. And that's OK, as long as we all enjoy. I don't care how others get their girls or what they do with them, it's none of my business and I'm not like some members who think they are the mongering police who rule lord over what should or should not be done (not you Opebo).

I was discussing one of the banned topic on these threads of why so many guys want to flock and take the "not 100% true or real females" in Pattaya, and my older brother 1Ball said, leave it alone not your business. And he's right, not my place to judge how others enjoy their time as long as we enjoy what we have and do without bothering others.

[Terry Terrier]

Angelwitch,

This is free to get in. Sure, the drinks are more expensive than the bars. You pay extra to watch the great shows.

Tony's. Normally a great selection of girls. You get girls that have finished their day or night job. That could be Pattaya office workers or Pattaya bar workers. You get freelancers and, during Thai holidays and weekends there is the added bonus of Bangkok office girls. Again, free to get in with live shows. Tony is normally on stage doing his thing. Drinks are expensive. I think last time a small Heineken cost me 250 Baht.

Lucifers. The club at the back is normally packed with girls. Again, the same scenario as Tony's with a cross selection of girls. The last time I was there I sat with 4 office workers from Bangkok. They all worked for Isuzu. To me they all looked stunning. It's not that dark. The thing with the office workers, in Pattaya for a long weekend, is that they really like to be shagged. They might only visit Pattaya twice a year and are really up for it. Obviously you have to buy drinks. These drinks will cost more than a normal bar fine but, in most cases, you won't have to pay them.

Con: They might try to get you to put a ring on their finger.

Con also: At the bar prices in Tony and Lucifer, the girl better be worth it if you don't pick her up sharpish.

[DG69]

in any case, the point is prices have gone up because there simply isn't much of the stuff available, not because a few insecure nincompoops try to impress prostitutes by overpaying.

most likely true, but that isn't all. first of all there are less supply, since the poverty is lower and the population increase is low now in thailand. there are some foreign girls at least in bangkok (middle eastern and russian cater mostly the indian and arab clientel), than african girls. also, from other asian countries, for example reasently i talked with two philippine girls whose work now in bankok. but, also true many more thai girls work abroad than foreign girls work in thailand.
thecost of living in bangkok and pattaya is high, so the prices for p4p do also rise. the thai currency is strong against european and us currency as in many asian countries now. and last but not least punter pay serious cash for pretty girls, so why should they go for small money?
i can have cheaper p4p in my home town frankfurt, even with prettier girls. i still spend my hollyday in thailand, but it was not like before a easy decision. i had plans just to stay a few days in thailand and than head to jakarta. but, i got a little lazy, is still funny in the clubs and i know already some pretty freelancer who provide decent service for normal prices. so, i have doubt, that i will buy a ticket to jakarta. it's most likely alot of hazzle to find the right hotel and to get familar with the situation there.
but, that means also i have to extent my visa, since my hollyday is longer than 30 days.
or can a someone give good advice about the best airline to jakarta, decent, gf and not too expensive hotel in the center of the action in jakarta?

[Opebo]

...who wants to pay to be patronized and insulted by petulant morons?

i had to comment on this sentence - isn't that what most chaps are doing in pattaya, after all? and certainly those who overpay or visit the higher-end venues.

which brings me to the recent topic of payment and 'the market' - while i do consider over-payers to be foolish characters i don't think they're precisely to blame for the rampant price increase in thailand.

the reason the higher quality girls are more or less unaffordable for most of us nowadays is simply that there is a terrible inadequacy of supply. population growth is nil in thailand, and there are lots of other employment opportunities. even for the minority of girls who prefer the easy money of prostitution to more strenuous toils, there are so many well-off thai men now that they can have the easy money without ever having to put up with the hated farang. again, here i am only talking about the very attractive girls - as we all know thais would never have relations with about 90% of the girls in pattaya, much less pay for it.

in any case, the point is prices have gone up because there simply isn't much of the stuff available, not because a few insecure nincompoops try to impress prostitutes by overpaying.

[Betong]

. . . the market develops to accommodate varying price points. That development brings with it more of everything.

Finally, someone here who understands economics. I've given up trying to explain how giving a generous tip does not in fact 'ruin the market for all of us', though I am still waiting to hear if getting freebie helps the market for all of us, and if not, then why not.

[Finrod]

Went to Pattaya over the weekend to escape the shennanigans in BKK. Tried out walking street first - went into several go-gos but the girls seem to want 2000 for ST. Tried Peppermint, Airport...a few others. If I'm going to pay 2000 for ST I might as well go to Baccara or Rainbow 4 in BKK where I can get a real stunner for that price. Escaped over to soi 6 instead - 300 bf + 700 st gets you laid. Sorted.

Another instance of business is slow so they raise their prices? I was on Walking St in January and got a gogo girl for 2000 for LT in addition to the barfine. Decent service, too.

[LittleBigMan]

Went to Pattaya over the weekend to escape the shennanigans in BKK. Tried out walking street first - went into several go-gos but the girls seem to want 2000 for ST. Tried Peppermint, Airport...a few others. If I'm going to pay 2000 for ST I might as well go to Baccara or Rainbow 4 in BKK where I can get a real stunner for that price. Escaped over to soi 6 instead - 300 bf + 700 st gets you laid. Sorted.

That is very true Mangofan but in your own words "to escape the shennanigans in BKK, so not too many choices that is close to BKK, now you did the right thing and Escape to Soi 6.

LBM

[Evianist]

...here as this is a very sensitive topic on this forum. The way this works, both in theory and in practice as it is does every single day (Q.E.D.), is that it the market develops to accommodate varying price points. That development brings with it more of everything -- more high budget and more low budget, more sense of opportunity which attracts more girls, etc.

Like real estate, consumer products, and pretty much everything else that is sold in the world, the "luxury" segment plays a very large role in the development of the cheaper segments. Where there is no premium segment, the cheap goods are almost always available only for the truly poor, of very shoddy quality, and not available to or even really known by most of us.

Your theory doesn't work because you're citing a man who goes into a gogo where the offer price for a girl is say 2000 baht/ST and he gives her 32,000/ST simply because he wants to flash it.

That's the equivalent of shopping for $200,000 homes, finding one you like and then bidding $3.2m just because you feel like throwing some money around. Or paying $500 for a $30 toaster.

Would anyone, even extremely wealthy people, do that? Of course not. It's nonsensical and would benefit no one.

It would be different to go into an extremely high class gogo bar featuring nothing but stunners who provide very high levels of service and paying the offer price of 32,000 baht. That would be the equivalent of the high-end markets for real estate or consumer products.

[Mangofan]

Went to Pattaya over the weekend to escape the shennanigans in BKK. Tried out walking street first - went into several go-gos but the girls seem to want 2000 for ST. Tried Peppermint, Airport...a few others. If I'm going to pay 2000 for ST I might as well go to Baccara or Rainbow 4 in BKK where I can get a real stunner for that price. Escaped over to soi 6 instead - 300 bf + 700 st gets you laid. Sorted.

[Bonzo1]

What?

You think if a guy pays $1000 for a girl, it makes things better for guys with tight budgets?

I can't even understand how your mind came to that conclusion.

It only revs up the scene located within 10cms of the guy throwing money around. Everywhere else in the bar it creates a vacuum.

...here as this is a very sensitive topic on this forum. The way this works, both in theory and in practice as it is does every single day (Q.E.D.), is that it the market develops to accommodate varying price points. That development brings with it more of everything -- more high budget and more low budget, more sense of opportunity which attracts more girls, etc.

Like real estate, consumer products, and pretty much everything else that is sold in the world, the "luxury" segment plays a very large role in the development of the cheaper segments. Where there is no premium segment, the cheap goods are almost always available only for the truly poor, of very shoddy quality, and not available to or even really known by most of us.

Peace.

[Saint Mint]

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P) Angelwitch
Pros: they have the best shows, one part involving a boa constrictor
Cons: expensive
B) Tony's
Pros: place looks nice
Cons: clientele always seems shady to me so I avoid Tony's
C) Lucifer's
Pros: huge; front 1/3 has a live band and rear 2/3 has a large dance club
Cons: dark so tough to see what the girls look like

Angelwitch,

This is free to get in. Sure, the drinks are more expensive than the bars. You pay extra to watch the great shows.

Tony's. Normally a great selection of girls. You get girls that have finished their day or night job. That could be Pattaya office workers or Pattaya bar workers. You get freelancers and, during Thai holidays and weekends there is the added bonus of Bangkok office girls. Again, free to get in with live shows. Tony is normally on stage doing his thing. Drinks are expensive. I think last time a small Heineken cost me 250 Baht.

Lucifers. The club at the back is normally packed with girls. Again, the same scenario as Tony's with a cross selection of girls. The last time I was there I sat with 4 office workers from Bangkok. They all worked for Isuzu. To me they all looked stunning. It's not that dark. The thing with the office workers, in Pattaya for a long weekend, is that they really like to be shagged. They might only visit Pattaya twice a year and are really up for it. Obviously you have to buy drinks. These drinks will cost more than a normal bar fine but, in most cases, you won't have to pay them.

Con: They might try to get you to put a ring on their finger.

[Member #3428]

After Tansak KTV is through with them, they don't want money ... only a chance to escape ...

For some girls this is true unfortunately.

[Evianist]

And hey, I'm not gonna spend USD 10,000 on a pussy in Pattaya (or even probably 1000)...but if I did it only would create the illusion among the other girls that that is possible, which helps everyone, even those with tighter budgets.

So go for it man -- flash money! It's not only your prerogative and your right, and in our experience provides options we wouldn't have otherwise (therefore really in our own interest), it actually helps the entire scene!

What?

You think if a guy pays $1000 for a girl, it makes things better for guys with tight budgets?

I can't even understand how your mind came to that conclusion.

It only revs up the scene located within 10cms of the guy throwing money around. Everywhere else in the bar it creates a vacuum.