Pattaya Reports

[Mr Enternational]

It may require giving her some money (just keep it real). Now, should she and I actually have a relationship? That is a loaded question, but the logical response is no, we should not.

Good thing you already LOGICALLY answered your own question. But it appears following the answer is a different thing.

But here I am, trying to live out what will be my last chance for passion in a relationship.

Better to live that out with the chick you had in Bangkok. Somebody that is with you because they like to be with you. Not somebody that will go back and forth depending on how often and how much money you give them. You can not force somebody into liking you, neither can you pay them to like you. It is obvious that you like her because you have bent over backwards and put up with a lot of shit from her. Unfortunately she does not like you.

She has had no regard for your money or your time. I wish a bih would treat me like that after I have spent all kind of money and time flying to the other side of the world to spend time with them. But people can afford to act like that when they have no skin in the game. All she had to do was show up with a pussy and she is not even doing that right. You have more money than her and anybody she knows. Instead of you bending over backwards trying to kiss her ass, she should be bending over backwards trying to impress you. But sometimes it is hard to put on those airs when you do not really like a person. Had you not handed her that "stash of cash" what would have been the content of this post? Surely it would not have been about you planning to take trips together. The Australian dude learned quickly and cut his losses. Usually it takes guys at least a few months to snap out that supporting hookers shit. Let that chick go man.

[Jicks]

No one is responsible for others behavior. BTW, India. Thailand highway will be opened in 2 years, you better find another location.

That's pretty much uncalled for. I am an Indian, and I was truly embarrassed with what I saw during my trips to LOS & other foreign destinations. On my flight to BKK, I saw a group of guys who were on a binge drinking session at the Kolkata Airport bar, & no sooner had the flight left, one of the guys started a fight with an elderly lady, just because she almost tripped as the guy had his feet dangled out from the aisle seat.

Then two Indians fought among each other within the Bell bus on the way to Pattaya from Swampy, for the entire journey, for trivial reason like one of them had kept two bags in the overhead bin, hence the fellow passenger did not find enough space to place his bag.

At the Hotel, an Indian family was screaming at the restaurant manager, because he supposedly did not allow them to fill their plates to the brim, and carry the complimentary breakfast to their hotel room upstairs.

While returning to the Hotel from nearby 7/11 store, overheard a fruit cart vendor abusing an Indian. Being a fellow Indian, I tried to ask him if all was OK, to which the fruit vendor replied that the Indian guy took fruit worth 20 Baht, but walked away after handing 18 Baht of change to the vendor. By the time he counted the money, the Indian had crossed the road, but was caught by moto taxi guys after the fruit vendor started shouting at him.

Another instance was which one of the FL's told me that, the previous night, a group of 3 Indian guys approached her outside Kaama club. They asked her rates for ST, to which she replied with 1000 baht. They agreed to pay her 3000 Baht, but their condition was that all three would bang her together, to which she freaked out & gave them a mouthful before going her way. The Indian guys did not haggle with her for the rates, & at 3000 baht, all 3 could've got 3 different FL's for a ST each, but being used to travel in groups, they opted to fuck in groups as well. There are many other instances where I was embarrassed by the behaviour of my fellow countrymen.

I know there is a lot of generalization here about Indians, but I also concede that it's the Indians themselves who are responsible for their poor image, to a large extent. But the good part is, almost all the FL's I've met, apart from the initial reluctance to deal with an Indian due to pre-conceived notions, did not judge me by how Indians are perceived in general, but rather how I behaved as an individual. Almost every FL I banged, keeps in touch with me, in spite knowing I won't be back before next June.

Just my 3 cents worth.

[FL Hawk]

I have been back from Pattaya for several weeks and figured I should provide an update of the Secret situation. I generally try to avoid reporting on personal matters in other than general terms, and I fear much of my previous reporting crossed the lines for a mongering board and became too personal. Certainly, the conclusion of the Secret story is purely personal, but there is a story to tell that some of you have found interesting and perhaps even educational. So, after many attempts to write this, here goes.

I won't give a timeline of events, but I remind that it appeared Secret and I were over and done on the last Saturday I was there. Then I had quite the experience with her and her roommate on Sunday, where the friend encouraged me to continue with Secret AND I scored points by taking care of the roomy when she got plastered. But despite Secret and I having some great dates over the following days, I saw no indication that she was drawing any closer to me or that I was going to be able to overcome her "contract" with that foreign guy, so in a moment of rare sanity, I rearranged my plans to leave Pattaya on the next Friday to stop the pain from continuing.

On Tuesday night I told Secret I was leaving on Friday. She expressed little emotion with me about it. The final Wednesday I went to the bar to meet with her. I had previously received a message from her saying "I guess I should be honest with you. " Huh? I went to the bar that afternoon to see her. When I arrived she didn't want to speak about it, but then her roomy came over and after some small talk I pressed the issue. What the heck did she mean?

Fortunately her friend speaks good English and was supportive of me. (My taking care of her impressed her, as well as Secret, but Secret was confused with me and really didn't understand what all I was doing or why.) But while I could not get much out of Secret, the friend intervened to get much of it out there! Wow. She explained that part of the problems of someone like me winning over a girl like Secret is that I did not visit often enough and I had not given any money. OK, we dudes in the west know that bar girls will often work us for money, and her friend acknowledged how some of the girls did abuse men financially, but she also mentioned that many of men equally abuse the women by making promises and then never coming through with them. Many of them had been duped by foreigners and they were rightfully worried about a man pledging love and them dumping them as soon as they left town. And here I was, making promises and saying all of these things, but what had I actually done for her to make her decide to make some kind of commitment to me? Besides some love notes and flowers, I had literally done nothing. I claimed to have love and money yet I let her continue to work as a bar girl. She had little idea if I was lying about my feelings or if I was really a poor, old SOB living off of social security and unable to gift her anything. At least the other dude gave her a little bit of money to shorten her stay in the job she hated!

And I did learn a bit more about that guy. This happened in July when I had noticed her texting to me take a nosedive. As I suspected, she kind of pushed me to side and accepted his offerings. He told her that he would not give her any money if she saw a man outside of work. And the dude came into town just a couple of days after I arrived, and that explains why she was so demanding about being sure I was paying a bar fine! The friend also revealed that Secret liked me better (and the friend said she liked me better, too) and spoke of me far more often than the dude, but the guy was nice and funny and spoke some Thai and, of course, showed her cared by giving her some money. So, of course, she had to turn away from me to ensure the dude didn't cut her off as she had no real reason to believe that I would come in and pick up the slack. She discussed this in a calm, educational manner to help me understand what drives some of the Isan women, not to try to force me to start shelling out cash. I found it fascinating, actually. Again, she wanted me to be with Secret, and she was telling me the way forward if I was willing.

There was much more, but here I had it, the key to winning over Secret. And I had two days. Should I even bother? And was Secret even willing to try after everything we had just gone through?

Later, Secret told me the dude had just seen her and while he was happy for her to be leaving Pattaya, he would probably never see her again. That strange contract she had, if true, was terminated! I was not sure how to take it. She thereafter was not any more affectionate. Maybe she wanted me to know that barrier had been removed, and that it was now up to me to determine the course of our relationship. She would not encourage me or lead me on – it would be up to me.

But Wednesday night, she knew I was leaving on Friday. She had friends coming in town Thursday night and she was going to leave with them for a few days starting Friday morning, so we would both be leaving town at about the same time. She would be back the next Monday for her last week of work, but I would not be there. (I might have delayed leaving if she was staying in town, but if she was not going to be there, I simply had to go, having no desire to remain in Pattaya without her.) I was hopeful that after the intervention she would open up to me, but in bed she still did not show signs of real affection. I was able finish with great effort, frustrated that she was like a star fish, so I figured that despite the day's talk and revelations, it was still over. I needed to face facts and get away and stop acting like an old fool.

But she and I talked (as best we could) and, after discussing her business plans with her sister, I did it. I was well below my budget so I handed her a stash of cash. And she was absolutely stunned. I may have had a tear or two. You all may criticize me, but I did it. What her friend said had moved me, and though it was too late to contribute towards her leaving the life of a bar girl behind, I told her to use the money to fund her business, so the net result was the same. Again, she remained fairly reserved. She didn't jump up and down or rush to hug me and display lots of emotion. As I said, she just seemed stunned. And maybe she was thinking it was about gosh darned time I gave her some money! Haha.

I was quite depressed Friday that I would miss being with her on my last night there. I did visit Soi 6 in search of another, but it was unsatisfactory and I left to be alone. I did text Secret to say that I was available if she wanted me, sort of inviting myself to be with her friend. Well, it turned out she was upset at me for not already asking her out! She wondered if I didn't want her anymore. I mentioned that she was supposed to be with her friends and I didn't want to interfere. She said it was ok to leave them on their own. Rather than argue, I went over to pick her and take her to dinner. (Don't say she was looking for another bar fine before I left. I had told her the night before there would be no more bar fines from me.).

After eating we walked along the beach, but she was getting quite depressed. We sat down along the beach to talk and she said how much she regretted coming to Pattaya to begin with, and that she hated the city as it was just "bar bar bar". And true, our romantic walk was being ruined with the abuse of bar music from bar after bar after bar from across the street, not to mention being stared at by a citizen of a nation she detests. I wanted to throttle guy too, very rude, but instead we got up to head back to the hotel. So, it was impossible to get away from the party atmosphere. It is a party town to us, but it isn't to her. She has few happy memories of her life in Pattaya. There was not much I could do. And I felt some guilt that I am part of what she hates in Pattaya. I did sort of apologize for my role, but she shook her head and said I was one of the good things about Pattaya. The truth? I don't know, but she is with me now, no bar fine and no assurance at all that I will ever see her again or give her money again, so I don't know.

We went back to the hotel, both of us now depressed. So much of this is so personal that I will skip most all of the rest of our time together. The next morning was rough, as I still received no confirmation that her feelings had changed, and I had no valid reason to think we would ever be together again. I mean, no way was I likely to venture out into the far depths of Isan to see her. She was up early and there were tears and embraces from both. I think I then accepted she did have true feelings for me and when she said we would see each other again, I asked her if she would go to Phuket with me in November. She said that of course she would. We walked outside, we had a final embrace suitable for Thailand, then she left me with the smell of her perfume lingering on my skin. Was this the end?

That was three weeks ago. What is up with Secret now? She did indeed leave Pattaya and is living with her sister north of Bangkok, working at a mall in a clothing store. (She was going to Isan but flooding out there closed roads so she decided to go on and move in with the sister and remain in civilization, I suppose, with higher wages.) She has chosen to work nearly 12 hours each and every day, sometimes more, to try to make money. Even with the hard work, she says she is very happy to be out of Pattaya. She actually has a bit more time now to text, which is nice, and I have been able to tell she is happier.

So how are things between the two of us? Are we actually going to go to Phuket together? Things are going quite well and seem to be improving, and we are indeed going to Phuket in two months. And we are planning to go on a cruise from Singapore next April. She has been a bit reserved and has not reverted to using the L word, as she did back in May and June, but that shows she is not trying to use me and is kind of waiting to see what I actually do. She did say that she would go with me wherever and whenever. But while she won't use the L word, I have, and yesterday she said she liked me doing so. And today she said that our love would be up to me. I guess that means that she is prepared to love me if that is what I really want. And she was sad that while I was taking care of her she wasn't able to take care of me. Yet, anyway! I am getting old!

Can real love be found with a bar girl? Apparently the answer is yes, though the story is not over. But it takes work and a lot of understanding. It may require giving her some money (just keep it real). It may also require a lot of luck – a heck of a lot of luck – and a friend of hers who is on your side. You will need patience, knowing Thai would help, and being fairly well off financially where you can take the girl places so she knows you can take care of her is a huge help. And number one, you need to choose your girl carefully. There are other girls on Soi 6 similar to Secret, but to weed them out takes time and luck. In my case, it was largely luck. Had things been just a bit different, I never would have gone into her bar. I guess, too, you need to appear honest, sincere, caring, reasonably attractive for your age I suppose, well mannered, funny, non- drinker or very light drinker and non-smoker helps, respectful, generous and heck, I don't know what all.

Now, should she and I actually have a relationship? That is a loaded question, but the logical response is no, we should not. But here I am, trying to live out what will be my last chance for passion in a relationship. Is having an affair, essentially, with a woman 30 years younger exciting? Yes, I suppose. Taking her on her first airplane ride, on her first trip to Phuket, on her first cruise? Yes, very exciting. Wise? I don't see how, but.

I think I will end things here, as to say more quickly becomes unpleasant.

[Ass Addict]

So absurd, that is a big pile of crap.

It's a bad idea to use this app if you are not in Thailand, most girls will block you as a time waster if you do this. The best way to use it is to set something up for right now or the next day. Long term can be had for 2,000 Baht.

This is the app your were using? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.thaifriendly.app

That site is (as other sites) full of scammers, many LBs pretending to be women, or girls trying their luck to get the most out of guys that are (or look like they are) clueless.

One thing is sure with TF, it takes a lot of time to screen all these profiles and get past the useless girls or the scammers.

[Downandup]

Hi,

I have also paid and signup this app and I am not living in Thailand. Yes, Most of the girls are looking for relationship and some are ready to offer s.. but demanded to pay 20,000 baht per night. Two girls asked me 100,000 baht per night. Most of the girls have posted pictures which were taken about 10 years ago. For me this app is useless.

Regards,

Suriyaf.

So absurd, that is a big pile of crap.

It's a bad idea to use this app if you are not in Thailand, most girls will block you as a time waster if you do this. The best way to use it is to set something up for right now or the next day. Long term can be had for 2,000 Baht.

This is the app your were using? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.thaifriendly.app

[Bugzy 69]

Disagree with you that its a useless platform. In-fact all over my previous trips I've always manage to either pull working girls or let say normal ones who search for a date very easily. IMHO this site can work wonders for males staying in Thailand for long term as they can spend considerable relaxing time hunting profiles on a daily basis but normally I'm on short trip holidays so I find it easier to hunt strait in the bars, gogos, massage parlours, soi6 and never-ending opportunities to get deal done within minutes rather than chatting in my room via phone.

I never was quoted 20000 per night, not even by the queen of Thailand!

Hi,

I have also paid and signup this app and I am not living in Thailand. Yes, Most of the girls are looking for relationship and some are ready to offer s.. but demanded to pay 20,000 baht per night. Two girls asked me 100,000 baht per night. Most of the girls have posted pictures which were taken about 10 years ago. For me this app is useless.

Regards,

Suriyaf.

[Suriyaf]

Hi,

I have also paid and signup this app and I am not living in Thailand. Yes, Most of the girls are looking for relationship and some are ready to offer s.. but demanded to pay 20,000 baht per night. Two girls asked me 100,000 baht per night. Most of the girls have posted pictures which were taken about 10 years ago. For me this app is useless.

Regards,

Suriyaf.

[Mr Enternational]

I all the time read about people using ThaiFriendly. How does it work? Most of the girls / woman seem to be looking for a relationship. What do you do if you only want to pay for sex?

I think you are looking at the wrong ThaiFriendly. Almost every chick there is on the game and most profiles make that known.

I am also not looking forward to uploading my own picture. Anyone with some advice?

What kind of bullshit is that? You want to see everybody, but do not want anyone to see you? Go to a bar where you can meet chicks face to face if that is the case.

[Downandup]

I all the time read about people using ThaiFriendly. How does it work? Most of the girls / woman seem to be looking for a relationship. What do you do if you only want to pay for sex? I am also not looking forward to uploading my own picture. Anyone with some advice?

In Pattaya there are a fair percentage of working girls on ThaiFriendly but don't assume every girl is like that as many aren't. In other cities that is not true either.

You need to put up a picture and say that you are not looking for love, they will get the hint.

[JohnBr]

I all the time read about people using ThaiFriendly. How does it work? Most of the girls / woman seem to be looking for a relationship. What do you do if you only want to pay for sex? I am also not looking forward to uploading my own picture. Anyone with some advice?

[YearOfMonk]

Yawn. Can someone please wake me when the Indian bashing has stopped and the reports on banging hot hookers start to roll in. This thread is becoming really tiresome and rapidly degenerating. Perhaps we can create a separate thread called "Indian Bashing in Pattaya". Seems like the only ones who are actually fucking chicks and having a great time are the Indians and Mr E. The old timers just don't like it. Looks like all the old, fat, white, bald headed pricks with 2 inch shrivelled dicks are just behind their laptop screens every night incessantly whingeing about the new world order. They're the same ones who need elephant strength Viagra just so that they can pisss standing up. Better get used to it boys. Only thousands more of your favourite brown people are coming your way to take all the hot chicks away. LOL..

That's pretty much uncalled for. I am an Indian, and I was truly embarrassed with what I saw during my trips to LOS & other foreign destinations. On my flight to BKK, I saw a group of guys who were on a binge drinking session at the Kolkata Airport bar, & no sooner had the flight left, one of the guys started a fight with an elderly lady, just because she almost tripped as the guy had his feet dangled out from the aisle seat.

Then two Indians fought among each other within the Bell bus on the way to Pattaya from Swampy, for the entire journey, for trivial reason like one of them had kept two bags in the overhead bin, hence the fellow passenger did not find enough space to place his bag.

At the Hotel, an Indian family was screaming at the restaurant manager, because he supposedly did not allow them to fill their plates to the brim, and carry the complimentary breakfast to their hotel room upstairs.

While returning to the Hotel from nearby 7/11 store, overheard a fruit cart vendor abusing an Indian. Being a fellow Indian, I tried to ask him if all was OK, to which the fruit vendor replied that the Indian guy took fruit worth 20 Baht, but walked away after handing 18 Baht of change to the vendor. By the time he counted the money, the Indian had crossed the road, but was caught by moto taxi guys after the fruit vendor started shouting at him.

Another instance was which one of the FL's told me that, the previous night, a group of 3 Indian guys approached her outside Kaama club. They asked her rates for ST, to which she replied with 1000 baht. They agreed to pay her 3000 Baht, but their condition was that all three would bang her together, to which she freaked out & gave them a mouthful before going her way. The Indian guys did not haggle with her for the rates, & at 3000 baht, all 3 could've got 3 different FL's for a ST each, but being used to travel in groups, they opted to fuck in groups as well. There are many other instances where I was embarrassed by the behaviour of my fellow countrymen.

I know there is a lot of generalization here about Indians, but I also concede that it's the Indians themselves who are responsible for their poor image, to a large extent. But the good part is, almost all the FL's I've met, apart from the initial reluctance to deal with an Indian due to pre-conceived notions, did not judge me by how Indians are perceived in general, but rather how I behaved as an individual. Almost every FL I banged, keeps in touch with me, in spite knowing I won't be back before next June.

Just my 3 cents worth.

[Engine Driver]

Yawn. Can someone please wake me when the Indian bashing has stopped and the reports on banging hot hookers start to roll in. This thread is becoming really tiresome and rapidly degenerating. Perhaps we can create a separate thread called "Indian Bashing in Pattaya". Seems like the only ones who are actually fucking chicks and having a great time are the Indians and Mr E. The old timers just don't like it. Looks like all the old, fat, white, bald headed pricks with 2 inch shrivelled dicks are just behind their laptop screens every night incessantly whingeing about the new world order. They're the same ones who need elephant strength Viagra just so that they can pisss standing up. Better get used to it boys. Only thousands more of your favourite brown people are coming your way to take all the hot chicks away. LOL.

https://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ani/thailand-aims-to-attract-more-indian-tourists-119012800110_1.html

Yes, I haven't seen Indians begging in Thailand, they usually just try to push fake watches onto everyone.

I agree that Indians are brutal to negotiate with

Having dealt with Indians in a retail environment I find that they are usually unpleasant to deal with and any successful transaction is very ugly from a commercial point of view. I find that they lie and do not honour contracts and all in all any business is better off if they do not patronage your business.

Three Indian guys approached a chunky freelancer on Beach Rd tonight.

Indian guy: "how much for ST?

FL: "Two five" (ie, 2500 baht each).

Indian guy: No!

FL: Why you say no? If you don't like, then keep walking.

So off they went. Obviously this chick doesn't do Indians.

Do you really think many of them go to Pattaya for pussy?

Very true. Difference is likely because it costs 50 to 80 euro just to get in to a FKK. That's the total weekly budget for the majority of riff raff Indians that invade Pattaya.

I get it with the Chinese on the tour groups but the Indians it isn't the pushing it is like they are clueless and refuse or demand the street or road. On a number of occasions, I'm walking in a straight path they seem to walk straight at you and intentionally bump into you as if looking for a fight.

My only "beef" (closest I can get to a sacred cow joke) with Indians in mongering environments is how I've repeatedly experienced posses of them creating an unpleasant situation for other mongers. Rather like a locust-like plague of "Ugly American" tourists, only Subcontinental. I

Mr Rob Jones, out of curiosity, what line of business are you in? Seems like a terrific sales strategy where you can exclude retail customers and your sales actually go up.

[Badabacha]

I saw lots of seagulls, some finches that I do not know the name of and are you counting the ones on sticks sold by the chicken BBQ guy?

Did you learn your English from that British 1970's sitcom " On The Buses"?

Well I do not think we both have same source for learning English. However I am proud that "I learned".

[Jimmy Boy 99]

A few nights ago I visited Windmill about 11 PM. I sat on a stool next to the bar by the bathtub. At the end of the stage near the tub were three old farangs, with a young East Asian kid sitting to their left (I don't know if he was with them or just happened to be sitting next to them). One of the farang was fingering and tongue kissing a fat, homely, middle-aged woman on the stage. When the East Asian kid went somewhere (presumably the bathroom) the fat woman grabbed his beer mug, pissed in it, and put it back. When the kid came back, the farang that had fingered the old hag motioned for the kid to drink his beer. When he was about to I stopped him and told him that the hag had peed in his beer. He immediately put it down and thanked me, shaking my hand. However, the hag started complaining to the mamasan that I had spoiled her joke and the farang came over to me and said threateningly I had better go home. I just stared at him and he went back to his group and bought a fresh beer for the kid. The hag kept on complaining to the mamasan, and the farang came over again to tell me I had better go home. I just stared him down again and he went back to his group. He then paid his tab, giving the mamasan a couple of hundred baht, and five hundred baht to the hag.

When I finished my beer and was leaving, I told the kid that the farangs were not his friends, and that he should be careful who he hangs around with or near. He thanked me and shook my hand again. Moral of the story: never leave your drink unattended. You never know what some b_tches or bastards could be up to.

[Kerrstar]

The phrases like "cheap charlie" are not created for bargainer but its created for fools with ego problem and these fools pay more of their hard earned money become over budget and I have seen many so called farangs begging on the streets of Thailand just to return home.

Mate, these are not mongerers who have spent all their money begging so that they can go home. These are stupid backpackers who leave home without enouigh money to fund their trip and think they can busk / beg for money on their travels, hence this is why they are called begpackers. It's annoying for everyone and gives all travellers, whether a mongerer or not, a bad name.

Yes, I haven't seen Indians begging in Thailand, they usually just try to push fake watches onto everyone.