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[Pute Nut]

Can the HIV talk be moved to the lounge: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...-and-Chat-area.

Or to the general HIV section http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...uth-about-AIDS.

Yes, let's move it out of sight, out of mind.

[Oneminuteboy]

Can the HIV talk be moved to the lounge: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...-and-Chat-area.

Or to the general HIV section http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...uth-about-AIDS.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

Thanks for posting this. Surprisingly high figures there. That study is 15 years old though, are there any newer similar studies with fresher figures? Could the payment for taking the tests (400 baht) and recruitment bonuses offered for bringing in more subjects (50 baht) have skewed the sample somewhat?

So this old chestnut has been trotted out again, so so so funny still as it is a totally irrelevant and outdated survey.

It has absolutely 100% skewed results and factors, due to its small, non random sampling, targeted survey population of low price non venue street workers.

In other words those that primarily service the local male low income Thai and Burmese population, not local expats or tourist punters.

Not to mention that it is as old as a century egg (as pointed out above).

Furthermore, it even says that other surveys had found results at the time of just 2. 5% in venue based sex workers.

This survey has no relevance whatsoever for punters punting in Bangkok today.

Unless possibly if they're picking up ultra low price street walkers way down Soi Nana.

Here is the studies summary and terms of reference.

The pattern of sex work in Thailand has shifted substantially over the last two decades from direct commercial establishments to indirect venues and non-venue-based settings. This respondent-driven sampling survey was conducted in Bangkok in 2007 among female sex workers (FSW) in non-venue-based settings to pilot a new approach to surveillance among this hidden population. Fifteen initial participants recruited 707 consenting participants who completed a behavioural questionnaire, and provided oral fluid for HIV testing, and urine for sexually transmitted infection (STI) testing. Overall HIV prevalence was 20.2% (95% confidence interval CI 16.3–24.7). Three-quarters of women were street-based (75.8%, 95% CI 69.9–81.1) who had an especially high HIV prevalence (22.7%, 95% CI 18.2–28.4); about 10 times higher than that found in routine sentinel surveillance among venue-based FSW (2. 5% STI prevalence (Chlamydia trachomatis and Neisseria gonorrhoeae) was 8. 7% (95% CI 6. 4–10.8) and 1. 0% (95% CI 0. 2–1. 9), respectively. Lower price per sex act and a current STI infection were independently associated with HIV infection (P < 0. 05). High HIV prevalence found among FSW participating in the survey, particularly non-venue-based FSW, identifies need for further prevention efforts. In addition, it identifies a higher-risk segment of FSW not reached through routine sentinel surveillance but accessible through this survey method.

[HorseTrader]

Thailand has the highest HIV rate in Asia, by far.

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This is all undisputed fact that anyone with an elementary education can understand.

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I have a bit more than an elementary education, but I need you to explain something to me. How does your posted information account for the many Thai citizens who have HIV but get the proper treatment and their levels are so low that they cannot transmit HIV to another person? Does the 1.1% include those people as having HIV or not? I'm sure you are aware that the Thai medical system includes a large program to provide regularly scheduled lifetime treatment for HIV patients at very little cost to the patient.

[Pute Nut]

This scientific peer-reviewed study found prevalence of 20.2 percent among female prostitutes in Bangkok. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4935540/

Thanks for posting this. Surprisingly high figures there. That study is 15 years old though, are there any newer similar studies with fresher figures? Could the payment for taking the tests (400 baht) and recruitment bonuses offered for bringing in more subjects (50 baht) have skewed the sample somewhat?

[RedMau5]

Thailand has the highest HIV rate in Asia, by far.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...revalence_rate

1. 1% prevalence means approximately 1 out of 90 people have it.

That's one out of every 90 Thais. Including old people, young people, police, teachers, university professors.

This is all undisputed fact that anyone with an elementary education can understand..

Except when you pay more attention and do your research before babbling, you realize the data of 1. 1% is ages 15-49. That's what footnotes are for. Common sense tells you 450,000 in a country close to 70,000,000 is NOT 1.1%. So it's not one out of every 90 Thais. Feel free to apologize to the Kingdom with the capital known to locals as the City of Angels.

[Rick Rock]

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimat...behaviors.html

Simple said. If you fuck someone with hiv (anal sex) there is a change of 11/10. 000 (that's 0,0011%) to get HIV (highest possible score for straight guys).

Population with HIV in thailand is estimated at 1%.

So simple math. Yes there is a risk. But being hit by a motorbike is more likely to happen.

Thailand has the highest HIV rate in Asia, by far.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...revalence_rate

1. 1% prevalence means approximately 1 out of 90 people have it.

That's one out of every 90 Thais. Including old people, young people, police, teachers, university professors.

When you look into prostitutes as a segment of the population, the percentage is much higher.

This scientific peer-reviewed study found prevalence of 20.2 percent among female prostitutes in Bangkok. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4935540/.

There were higher rates in "non venue" prostitutes, which means freelancers. Venue based workers had a 2. 5 percent prevalence.

Thailand has a high HIV rate. HIV is concentrated in sex workers.

Heterosexuals can and do get HIV infections. It's not such "simple math" because there are things like menstruation, blood, HPV, HSV and other factors that can raise the chance of infection several times over.

This is all undisputed fact that anyone with an elementary education can understand.

Thailand also has one of the highest road death rates in the world. Second on earth last time I checked.

And one of the highest murder rates in Asia. Higher than Myanmar and Bangladesh even. Over 8 times higher than Japan, South Korea, Singapore.

It's a pretty terrible place overall. A real third world hell hole. That's one reason so much of the population ends up doing prostitution. Well educated and adjusted rich kids from healthy societies don't often end up turning tricks to foreign pensioners.

Enjoy your time in the LOS.

[MartinFlevo]

You forgot the HIV rate.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimat...behaviors.html

Simple said. If you fuck someone with hiv (anal sex) there is a change of 11/10. 000 (that's 0,0011%) to get HIV (highest possible score for straight guys).

Population with HIV in thailand is estimated at 1%.

So simple math. Yes there is a risk. But being hit by a motorbike is more likely to happen.

[Rick Rock]

Try not to think about it. The fatality rate in vehicle accidents is very high in Thailand, along with the murder rate and suicide rate. Best to just think about how tight that girl you will be with tonight is, and not the many ways you will meet a sudden death in Thailand. 5555.

You forgot the HIV rate.

[AggieDad1]

Am I the only one who feels uneasy about being in a bus on the elevated highway around Bangkok? The parapet walls on either side would be high enough to prevent a swerving car from toppling over. A bus would most likely fall down the 20-meter drop and kill everyone. A bus on those highways is as dangerous as a bus in the Chilean Andes.

Try not to think about it. The fatality rate in vehicle accidents is very high in Thailand, along with the murder rate and suicide rate. Best to just think about how tight that girl you will be with tonight is, and not the many ways you will meet a sudden death in Thailand. 5555.

[Big Sky Nomad]

As was just suggested, you need to check the Bangkok Hotels section. Also, get your Ipad out and enter Asoke BTS, then zoom out to search some of the many hotels available. You might find more than a few for $50. I would not necessarily recommend going for $30, but that's just me.

Look at Soi 18 - a little quieter than being right on Sukhumvit. Looks like there are a few choices on Soi 14, which would be even closer to Asoke. But maybe not as quiet.

How is BTS and MRT? Amazing, and cheap. Recommended!!

Appreciate the assistance and apologies for the wrong forum inquiry. I've been scouring the travel sites for a while, seems like they like to airbrush up the lower priced ones. Looks like you can find newer, decent digs in the 40 to 50 range. Also been studying maps to get the lay of the town. Thanks again.

[Big Sky Nomad]

If only there were a topic here about "Bangkok Hotels".

Apologies, still learning my way around. Thanks to those who have indulged my rookieness.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

Thanks for the reply, would you have some suggestions for smaller places to visit away from the beaten path that still offer some possibilities mongering wise like hua hin? I'm heading to LOS for 30+days in October and might consider to change places if I get tired of pattaya after 2/3 weeks.

Sorry for the delay in answering, but I had missed seeing your reply.

Four weeks in Pattaya sends shivers of dread down my spine.

If you like it, no problem, but you will likely very much end up doing the same day in and day out LOL.

If you need to change for a week, then.

I would definitely recommend seeing Hua Hin, probably for 3-4 days to see if you like it.

As I am a strong advocate of it's style of more personable and friendly (as in less games) Thai mongering.

I would also recommend Rawai area of Phuket, which I will admit is my home base by choice.

It has the advantage that there is a lot of action, albeit spread out.

And many things to do to take a break from mongering.

Plus you can head easily into Patong for more mainstream hardcore action as an adjunct, or if you find Rawai not to your liking.

In the past I would have also suggested Koh Samui, but sadly that mongering scene is in very slow recovery.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

Today, I am performing a very difficult maneuver: I am going to the village with a bargirl. This is a classic ritual, if you barfine a lady twice, she will offer to take you to her village. Some Farangs believe this is a preliminary to marriage, or otherwise means they are very special.

The twist here is that I am going to two different villages with two different ladies today. Don't try this at home.

Actually, I am in the village for two days, I am staying in a rather low rent "resort". I had a third lady from a different village sleep with me last night. She was as hot as a firecracker, apparently it's not so easy for bargirls to hook up with a local guy when they come back to the village. If you ever lived in a small town, you would understand. She couldn't get enough, until I passed out..

Life is so much fun.

I hope you keep living it for a long time longer.

Be careful tho if they say they're just going to feed the ducks.

[Crocodilexp]

Thanks for your assistance. Asoke seems centrally located from my research, close to the subway and light rail. Anyone have suggestions on moderately priced (30 to 50 bucks) lodging in the area? How is getting around via subway and light rail? I'm leery of cabs due to stories about ripoffs.

Asoke is close to the action and great for transportation, with both BTS and MRT. As for hotels, looking at sites like Agoda, Booking.com or Google hotels would serve you better than random advice from someone here.

As for taxis, it's easy to avoid the ripoffs. When entering the cab (before you sit, with the door open), state your destination and say "meter". If they refuse or offer you a fixed fare, try another passing cab, perhaps a bit further down the road. Don't bother with taxis waiting around.