Pattaya Reports

[FL Hawk]

Man I know you are lying now. In all these years I have seen about 2 Thai chicks with a driver's license and both of those was when I was at the Department of Land Transport getting my own.

OK, her government ID, not driver's license. Sheesh. My bad.

[Paolo99]

She said she doesn't like working in the factory, she likes working in the bar.

I made a mistake in that translation as I didn't read back the sentences.

But as you probably noted, she said that she doesn't work in the factory.

For the second sentence, I'm sure of the translation, she likes to work in the bar.

[Mr Enternational]

If "location" as in proving they lived where they said, well, I knew where Secret lived, which I confirmed. I knew where she lived in Bangkok, likewise verified. I have a copy of her driver's license and of her passport,

Man I know you are lying now. In all these years I have seen about 2 Thai chicks with a driver's license and both of those was when I was at the Department of Land Transport getting my own.

[Paolo99]

The text was verbatim. A "dot" may be significant. The translation was done at her end so I did not have the original Thai to refer to.

These translation programs we can access for free and which work almost instantly are terrific but, of course, they can be so wrong! By this time in the story, we both now of the problems. Note there is one app which will do a reverse translation as well. Enter your text, get the translation and then it translates the translation back to English. Occasionally, what you get back is not quite what you intend to send out. I don't use it a lot for casual conversations, but since I discovered it a few months ago, if I want to be precise I will use it. But for sure, use these apps with caution.

I write it again because my last post might have been lost between others.

If she effectively wrote in Thai first and then translated it via an application or google translate, the meaning of these sentences is very clear, misunderstanding what she meant is not possible.

She said she doesn't like working in the factory, she likes working in the bar.

Thais don't use the word "like" as a synonym of the word "same".

If she wanted to say "working in the factory is the same as working in the bar" or "working in the factory is not the same as working in the bar" she would have used another word that would have been translated as the word "same" by google translate or another app. And she would have used the word "same" also if it came out of her mind without using a translate app.

The only Thais that could use the word "like" as a synonym of "same" are Thais that are highly educated and can write and speak English very well, what seems to not be the case with your girl.

You're going to tell us what she said after that in your next update but for me the translation seems correct, she likes to work in the bar.

[FL Hawk]

The three most important things about a Thai "girlfriend" are the same as real estate: location, location, and location. If she won't send her location via Line, you know she is lying. Not too different from the Secret story.

Do you mean "location" as in her enabling her location app services on her phone so you can track her? Who would allow that? I certainly would not, at least not until a relationship is established and it the primary purpose was for safety. If "location" as in proving they lived where they said, well, I knew where Secret lived, which I confirmed. I knew where she lived in Bangkok, likewise verified. I have a copy of her driver's license and of her passport, all of which she freely gave me without me asking. One thing I would not do is ask for her to enable her location app service as that would be a huge sign of lack of trust. And if she asked me I would decline.

A good girl does not come up with a tragic story and ask for extra money, but this one did.

No, she did not.

I may not be too fluent in Thai- English but Hawk just wrote that she is working in a factory and then suspicion rose. He asked for clarification and got this text. So, I am curious as to what this means. The dot might be his. A keyword might be missing but the context doesn't point to a neutral meaning of those words.

The text was verbatim. A "dot" may be significant. The translation was done at her end so I did not have the original Thai to refer to.

Seems I'm alone? First I think Google is one of the worse for translation I wouldn't use it for anything more than a word! Facebook translation is even worse you can't even make out what they are talking about from the translation.

These translation programs we can access for free and which work almost instantly are terrific but, of course, they can be so wrong! By this time in the story, we both now of the problems. Note there is one app which will do a reverse translation as well. Enter your text, get the translation and then it translates the translation back to English. Occasionally, what you get back is not quite what you intend to send out. I don't use it a lot for casual conversations, but since I discovered it a few months ago, if I want to be precise I will use it. But for sure, use these apps with caution.

What I objected to and found distasteful in his storytelling was the way he continually assumed the readers were as nave as he was. That we did not see the end coming from the very beginning.

I said at the beginning I was writing this for the poor hapless gentlemen who falls for a bar girl and, thus, they are not experienced, wise and knowledgeable like you guys. And I said the intent was to help them and give them some hints for separating the bad ones from the good ones. I also said I would not be bothering if this was going to be just another story about an old dude falling for a bar girl.

This tale should stand as another example in a long list of examples of how not to act with P4P girls and what not to put up with. Again, a punter can do what he wants, but when he starts believing the GFE fantasy is real and allows himself to fall for the con, whatever form the con takes, he inadvertently sets into motion the end of that very relationship that he sought to hold onto.

What have I been putting up with from her? How is she conning me? I may be a bit in a fantasy world, but I am not in some la la land throwing out cash at her expecting immediate love and happiness. I am willing to wait a month or two for that, haha.

I have a very simple rule: If a favorite, repeat girl asks me to send money for whatever reason, I simply tell her I cannot and that is that. Then I deduct a point from her scorecard. If I were ever have to deduct 3 points in total, the liaison is over. That said, most of my favorite girls never ask for Western Union. But a few do. Then Corona changed everything, and most, but not all of my repeat favorites asked for money. I sent each girl who asked a little bit ($150) with no points deducted, ha ha, and told them it was a one-time thing. They all accepted the gift gratefully and never asked for more money. I am still in touch with them all and I hope to see them again as soon as possible.

Probably a good plan. Prior to Secret, there was a semi-favored Soi 6 woman who was a decent lady. She was a hardened gal, but I showed her some kindness and her heart melted. We sort of became friends, but when I met Secret I stopped bar fining her, though I would buy some lady drinks and give a little bit of cash as I knew she loved animals and she was caring for a number of them. We have texted a little bit since last year, and she is working outside the bar now, but she is struggling. Last week she texted me and asked for some help. Like you, I sent her $150.

As I wrote in a previous post, I think the OP blew his relationship with the Soi 6 girl because he let emotional BS enter the relationship. Maybe he wanted to take that ride to nowhere, maybe not. But if he has any self-respect left, his relationship with the girl is over. So, move on guy. Learn from your mistake, but do not let the experience harden you.

Haha. I do appreciate your concern as well as your advice and honest appraisal of the relationship as you see it.

[Danny Duck]

Age is always important. If it's not please disclose age of secret and yourself.

I know quite a few Seniors who think young Thai girls really like Loving Old Farang Man. They say it's Thai culture. In person I give them the You go Man Power Fist.

[Koalie2001]

I am late to the party, but some observations.

1. Seems all events were as per expected except for Secret's level of devotion, all things considered. I might even suspect there was more going on behind the scenes with her than what was reported or recognized.

2. Money and feelings are orthogonal to one another. They are not two ends of the same spectrum. Wanting money does not equate to not having feelings. Not wanting money does not equate to having feelings. The challenge in many situations such as these is that one person has an abundance of money and opportunity and the other does not. Should the one who does not be subject to excess scrutiny because she would like something of substance from the one who has money?

3. Even when receiving money from someone, it is fully understandable if the girl continues to seek money elsewhere. Their careers, if we can call it a career, are short. They can see beside them people who are at the end of their earning power and are about to return to life with next to nothing. Is it wrong of them to try to maximize earnings during the short time they have to make money?

4. Why should she stop working under vague promises from a foreigner? Would you go to work for a year or two or three without pay or being paid much less than you are worth under a non-contractual promise that all back pay will come to you in 2025?

5. Even in the present day, the girls are more often than not working from word of mouth, and urban myths about money, while facing so many people who are trying to free them of whatever money they are able to extract from foreigners. Is it not unsurprising that sometimes they make curious or seemingly silly decisions?

I mention all of this because when we contextualize this to the Secret story, then we actually see a girl who has interest in a foreigner, is willing to bend for him, but is confused because he seems to be testing her and not bending completely for her. She cannot trust him and even if she can trust the foreigner, she knows she should not trust him because her clock is ticking and she needs to take care of her financial responsibilities and her life while the short window to do so exists. Put another way, she incurs substantial opportunity costs in the relationship, so not surprising she becomes cold and distant as she feels that she is not understood and that maybe the guy in whom she had genuine interest, is only playing her for the short to medium term.

If one is generally interested in a relationship with any SE Asian girl from a bar, then you have to be prepared to take a leap of faith and bear some financial risk. Who knows, it might work?

As for my own case, over the past couple of decades I have had a few all-in relationships, that have not been cheap (a few houses spread across three to four different countries attest to this), but for the time in which I was interested in the person, the relationships went as well as could be expected. But maybe that is a series of stories for another time.

[HorseTrader]

I beg to differ. A lot chicks have no idea how to use that location shit. Here you go thinking we are talking about brain surgeons again. Plenty of times I have had chicks on the way to see me and I send them my location then they get lost. I ask where they are and to send location and they have no idea how to do it and I have to go out and hunt for them. Then there are others that know how to send location for me to get to them but it is the totally wrong location. As far as them sending location in order to try to catch them in a lie, I could care less. When you catch them in a lie then what?

I've never found one who didn't know how to send a Line location. It was a Thai girl who showed me how to use it. Her ability to read my Line location and find me might not be very good.

Sometimes its precision isn't so good, maybe off by 200 meters. I've never seen it show the wrong city unless VPN or something else is involved.

Knowing lies are involved is one piece of the puzzle. If you are just banging her from time to time, it really doesn't matter. If you are paying off the farm mortgage and dreaming of a life together, it is a big deal.

[Mr Enternational]

The three most important things about a Thai "girlfriend" are the same as real estate: location, location, and location. If she won't send her location via Line, you know she is lying.

I beg to differ. A lot chicks have no idea how to use that location shit. Here you go thinking we are talking about brain surgeons again. Plenty of times I have had chicks on the way to see me and I send them my location then they get lost. I ask where they are and to send location and they have no idea how to do it and I have to go out and hunt for them. Then there are others that know how to send location for me to get to them but it is the totally wrong location. As far as them sending location in order to try to catch them in a lie, I could care less. When you catch them in a lie then what?

[HorseTrader]

The three most important things about a Thai "girlfriend" are the same as real estate: location, location, and location. If she won't send her location via Line, you know she is lying. The internet has various farang sob stories about Thai girlfriends claiming to be in Isaan working at parents' farm while they are actually in BKK or Pattaya working in the bar. Not too different from the Secret story.

[Paolo99]

"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. " It seems some people who are not fluent in how some uneducated Thais speak English are taking this to mean she lied to you and she does not work in a factory, but works in a bar instead.

To me it reads nothing like that. It says working in the factory is not the same as working in a bar. In a bar you have all the free time in the world to goof off and write love messages, take 1 million meaningless pictures. In a factory you are on an assembly line working at a constant pace and when you get a break you just want to relax a moment and have time for yourself. I am tired. Give me a fucking break with the needy bullshit.

Sorry, I didn't finish my last post and don't know how to edit it.

If she wrote that sentence in Thai, and if FL wrote it exactly as she send it to him, the meaning is very clear and cannot be misunderstood.

It means she doesn't like to work in the factory. She likes to work in the bar. There cannot be any misunderstanding unless she wrote it in English out of her mind, and even then I really doubt she would wrote it that way.

Thais never use the word "like" as a synonym to the word "same" as we do in English. The Thai words that would translate to "like" are either the verb "to like" or "to love". If she was meaning "the factory is not the same as the bar" or "working in factory is same working in bar" as other forum members said, she would have used another word that translates directly to word "same". In this case, for me, it's very clear she said she likes working in the bar, and I'm not surprised at all by that statement.

[Paolo99]

"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. " It seems some people who are not fluent in how some uneducated Thais speak English are taking this to mean she lied to you and she does not work in a factory, but works in a bar instead.

To me it reads nothing like that. It says working in the factory is not the same as working in a bar. In a bar you have all the free time in the world to goof off and write love messages, take 1 million meaningless pictures. In a factory you are on an assembly line working at a constant pace and when you get a break you just want to relax a moment and have time for yourself. I am tired. Give me a fucking break with the needy bullshit.

I don't know what her English level is, but if she wrote it in Thai and then translated it via an application or google translate it cannot be meaning what you said or what or said also.

If she wrote this sentence in Tha.

[LittleBigMan]

Seems I'm alone?

First I think Google is one of the worse for translation I wouldn't use it for anything more than a word! Facebook translation is even worse you can't even make out what they are talking about from the translation.

These application when it comes to Thai conversation take all the human factor out of the equation. I do a better job based on what they are saying add that with facial and body language.

Based on what FH, posted I'm more than convinced she really meant? That she doesn't work in a bar any longer but now a factory that being said I don't have the time I did when as a bargirl! Whether she does or doesn't isn't even in the equation maybe for another subject.

Those who say ask for a clarification is just opening another can of worms! Think about it! First most likely they don't even know or recognize the mistake now you want a clarification. As I noted the more one talks the more question if you were right there would see their facial expression that they aren't even listening they have tune you out. Critical thinking being criticized isn't in their teaching in Thai local govenment schools one of the reason when they get lost they don't even bother to do the simple thing and that is ask for direction! It makes them look stupid the same students don't ask questions in class either!

[Member #4733]

But I knew something was going on due to her texting frequency. And then she responded.
"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. "..

I may not be too fluent in Thai- English but Hawk just wrote that she is working in a factory and then suspicion rose. He asked for clarification and got this text. So, I am curious as to what this means. The dot might be his. A keyword might be missing but the context doesn't point to a neutral meaning of those words.

I don't like Thai girls that much. So, I never even tried to repeat a session. (I save my money for FKK Germany.) But I have tried to talk to them via Google translate. Then still all these problems of misinterpretations keep coming up. They get bored by it before I do. Well, just enjoy the show. I do agree that once a girl asks for money beyond her fee, she is not to be trusted. But as far as I read this story, Secret just did not do that. Well, maybe her cunning plan was of a different kind. Who knows.

[EihTooms]

"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. ".

Yeah, I'm with a few others here in not really knowing what Secret means by that or if she really meant to say what that second sentence appears to say. If it does mean (she) LIKES working in a bar after all this bit about how she hated it, was not cut out for it and all, that would pretty much be par for the course, imo. But that might not really be what she meant to say.

I too have gotten many written messages from Thai girls where a key word or two has been left out, where they wrote "don't" when the really meant the opposite, or wrote "she" instead of "he", goofy translations and so on. A quick request for clarification would fix it and I am guessing he did ask but has yet to relate that part here.