Pattaya Reports

[HorseTrader]

Yeah, I left Secret and went to Pattaya for 10 days. Bet you guys didn't see that coming? Haha You say you can't take the BG out of the BG. Is it also true you can't take the mongeror out of the mongeror?

Of course we saw that coming! The only question was if you would admit it to us. We are the same as you and can't imagine traveling 24 hours to Thailand and having sex with only one girl.

[RacShack]

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[FL Hawk]

OK, I sent Secret the first of 6 installments, as I had agreed. She, in turn, was to go to Phuket with me. Did she keep her word to me? If she was an evil BG out to scam me, might she take the money and run, or try to get a second payment out of me then run?

She kept her word. We met at BKK and flew off to Phuket for about 8 days, then to Bangkok for 4 more. We had a lot of daytime fun. We did many tours and did many things and even took a cooking class. We went zip lining, canoeing and swimming. The only thing she asked me to buy was a bathing suit, and it was a cheap one, and I had offered to buy it weeks before the trip as she did not have one. Well, she had one with the name of her former bar. She acted very much like a traditional Thai GF, meaning no overt displays of affection in public, no asking for stuff and politely declining offered gifts and basically being considerate of me. She would hold hands and would sit close to me on the buses, give light kisses occasionally and smile and laugh a lot, so she did display affection. She was just as delightful as ever and reminded me why I liked her so much.

So was she acting like a GF or as a BG? Definitely not like a BG. As I said, she asked for nothing from me and she never talked trashy or used her womanly, BG wiles. But she was not exactly a GF either. Well, during the day she was a perfect Thai GF. In bed, well, she was not any more passionate than the last time in Pattaya. I could say she was like a very shy, inexperienced lover, waiting for me to make all the moves, after which she would dutifully submit. But she would never initiate anything or even act to keep it going. I tried very hard to avoid anything to remind we had once had a professional relationship (or to show we might still be having such a relationship), which met giving her the chance to initiate things and have an equal say in what all we did. She would cuddle up and touch a little, and wanted to sleep touching me, but if I was not pushing the foreplay, she would go to sleep. Twice I let that happen until several hours later I would wake her up! She was happily accommodating, but sex was something she could take or leave. It all left me a bit uncomfortable and unsatisfied and with the feeling she had no love or passion for me. But, I could have been asking too much too soon, or maybe she was being a GF to me but expected me to make all the moves, or she may have felt I was being too passive, or whatever. Pointless to speculate on why she was passive. I should have asked her.

But did she show enough feelings to warrant me taking her on that cruise we had talked about for April? If I was sure that this was all I was going to get then I should go on and cut my losses. Sure, she is fun, but I am getting old! I should perhaps be looking elsewhere, right? The lack of obvious love and passion got me down a bit, but when I thought about all that this woman had been through that year, it was unreasonable for me to expect too much from her. I mean, less than a year previous to this she had no idea that she would be become, well, a prostitute. She had a good job, had moved up the ladder a bit, and then BOOM, she had to degrade herself to bail out her mother's poor financial actions. But just imagine that you have not had a loving relationship for at least 10 years and, heck, maybe never, and now just having had to have sex with between likely 100 to 300 strange men, the vast majority you detest (and me being one of them), is it reasonable to feel for me the same way I was feeling about her? No, it isn't. It is reasonable to think that she might view sex with a bit of tension.

But what was I looking for? I was looking for signs of potential love such that I would want to continue to see her to try to nurture those feelings. What kind of signs, though? They would be little things that one would do for one they had feelings for. Examples are how they kiss you or touch you or look at you, how often they call you or text you, the pictures they send, what they do for you, etc. At least coming from a BG or ex-BG, giving out sex is not really a sign. I might, for them, simply be a profession they are still engaging in with in. Secret was not displaying that at least! We mongerors know that great sex is unrelated to love. A couple of BGs have given me "GFEs" that blew me away, but they sure didn't love me. And a few were shy, thinking by giving sex they would somehow ruin things.

What actually made me to decide I wanted to keep seeing her will sound strange, but it was because she had been taking a ton of photos and videos of me and us, many of which I had not noticed she was doing. Women generally don't take photos of guys they have no feelings for. They may take selfies or photos of the attractions to post on social media, but not so many of the men they are with if they have no feelings for him. Secret took a bunch of videos of me zip lining, of us eating, walking along the beach, etc. She took of bunch of us together as well. If she was disgusted with me, she would not want to do that! And I saw where she sent pictures of us home to her mother. This all may sounds like a little thing, but love is comprised of a lot of little things. But what daughter sends pictures to her mother (and sisters) of a man she feels disgust for?

Anyway, the trip was a basic success, advancing our relationship a little. She was never like a BG, and she was a great GF during the day though a questionable GF at night. In all fairness, I could not have expected any more than what I got. I guess she had sufficient fun to make plans to meet again in April 2020 and go on that cruise. If a trip on the Quantum of the Seas cannot bring out some love or passion, then I may finally have to end this. But that is over 4 months away from this time. What bad can possibly happen before mid-April?

So, we said our goodbyes the next morning. She got a taxi to go back to her sister's and start a serious job search, and I took a taxi to BKK. I had given her the second mortgage payment plus I gave her enough to pay for work that she may have missed while waiting for me. With a job and with loan payments to worry about, she will be fine.

I arrived at BKK, then waited for Nam's limo driver to pick me up. "Huh? Who? What? You exclaim. "Who is Nam?" Many of you know of Nam. She hires lady drivers to drive people between the airport and Pattaya. Yeah, I left Secret and went to Pattaya for 10 days. Bet you guys didn't see that coming? Haha You say you can't take the BG out of the BG. Is it also true you can't take the mongeror out of the mongeror?

[FL Hawk]

It's even worst than I thought.

She's been doing this for 10 years? That girl is wasted and you'll never satisfy her except by spending a lot of cash on her (until you run out of cash). But is it really worth it?

I think you misunderstand. Industry. Electronics industry. She worked for a major electronics manufacturer for 10 years. She was moving up the ladder. She did not go to college, but she held a job of increasing responsibility. I have repeated many times she was a bar girl for less than 6 months. It is in her social media -- she left work to the surprise of her co-workers and a few days later she was a BG. Just like that. Factory to Soi 6. I would agree that if she had been in the adult business for much longer than 6 months it could not work. Part of her being "special" is a lot of the circumstances are "special".

[FL Hawk]

This is how you help BarGirls. Give them a stake of $10,000 and teach them how to trade options. Learn what cash secured puts and covered calls are. Incorporate both into the Wheel Strategy. Income for life, at least quite awhile if done right. LOL.

I'm into my second month. Does have merit.

Haha. I have lost more in options than I will ever lose to Secret, many times over.

[FL Hawk]

I didn't read back your post but I assumed you gave her money to pay back her loan, so that's not a cheap charlie's act.

She didn't ask explicitly (maybe), but she made you fully aware of her financial struggles.

The way you write your reports, it's clear that you're very hesitant of what you should do (or what you should have done). All these questionings (I assume that you probably gave her many signs of these hesitations) are typically showing you as a big easy target in my opinion.

Signs of hesitation? No, I think I left the impression I was totally insensitive! She left hints and I did not respond. I mean, she says "I need a job" and I say "I hope you find something. " Not until faced with losing her did I finally shell out some cash. I may show hesitation here in my writing about it all and, yes, I was hesitant about what to do at the time.

I had not been giving her much of anything, thus looking like a Cheap Charlie up until the time I did give her money. You can decide, if this goes on, if I return to be a cheap Charlie or if I start throwing out the cash upon the merest hint of need from her.

[Paolo99]

As I said, I am trying to educate and show insight into one particular BG. I am still trying to show she is NOT a typical BG however.

What does she got that is so different than other BGs?

[Member #4698]

It's even worst than I thought.

She's been doing this for 10 years? That girl is wasted and you'll never satisfy her except by spending a lot of cash on her (until you run out of cash). But is it really worth it?

I think it is time for a picture of the mystery girl. "Been doing this for 10 years," crikey, this story is turning into a farce.

[Dr Brian Jones]

This is how you help BarGirls. Give them a stake of $10,000 and teach them how to trade options. Learn what cash secured puts and covered calls are. Incorporate both into the Wheel Strategy. Income for life, at least quite awhile if done right. LOL.

I'm into my second month. Does have merit.

LOL Danny,

In other ISG threads, guys are currently discussing potential relationship with " nice and financially independent girls " flirting with them for weeks, with NO video-calls and then asking them to invest in f / x accounts.

They are not 100% sure if this is true interest in them or scam. Well.

So now with your recommendation, we are going full circle haha!

[Danny Duck]

This is how you help BarGirls. Give them a stake of $10,000 and teach them how to trade options. Learn what cash secured puts and covered calls are. Incorporate both into the Wheel Strategy. Income for life, at least quite awhile if done right. LOL.

I'm into my second month. Does have merit.

[Paolo99]

Quite true. But remember, Secret is not 18 or 19. She worked in industry for 10 years. Her family did not push her to be a BG.

It's even worst than I thought.

She's been doing this for 10 years? That girl is wasted and you'll never satisfy her except by spending a lot of cash on her (until you run out of cash). But is it really worth it?

[Paolo99]

Huh? She asked for nothing and she very nearly got it. I think my record shows I was more of a cheap Charlie! But now that she HAS gotten money out of me, will your assertion start to come true?

I didn't read back your post but I assumed you gave her money to pay back her loan, so that's not a cheap charlie's act.

She didn't ask explicitly (maybe), but she made you fully aware of her financial struggles.

The way you write your reports, it's clear that you're very hesitant of what you should do (or what you should have done). All these questionings (I assume that you probably gave her many signs of these hesitations) are typically showing you as a big easy target in my opinion.

[FL Hawk]

I'm not here to criticize you will get enough without my help.

Haha. I am here to educate and entertain. Best lessons are from real life examples. But I will not say much more about the loan and the land. I have not revealed it all and, as I said, I should write pages here and many here would still not believe. More may be revealed in the future. I will leave it at that.

I noted the Thai culture has laid a heavy burden on the females if not the land it would be something else?

Quite true. But remember, Secret is not 18 or 19. She worked in industry for 10 years. Her family did not push her to be a BG.

Thais in general aren't going to come right out in majority of situation and tell you exactly what they want she has been crying out to you in her own way....

True. She was very reluctant to talk about it. She felt shame.

What you are writing many don't see the importance only that you are getting sucker down deep much to learn from your report sadly not many will see the light at the end of the tunnel? Good luck!

As I said, I am trying to educate and show insight into one particular BG. I am still trying to show she is NOT a typical BG however.

[Berrys66]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XSC4Q4_HXM

[LittleBigMan]

I appreciate the comments. Here are some responses.

Of course I have not gotten over her yet! This is still October 2019! The story is not over.

If she thought she and the family would be better off going to Korea she would have gone. After the next chapter I guess we will find out if the relationship is shot or not.

Good man and good friend.

Haha. Yes. And I made out pretty well in life by being aware of the risks.

Huh? She asked for nothing and she very nearly got it. I think my record shows I was more of a cheap Charlie! But now that she HAS gotten money out of me, will your assertion start to come true?

What story is there to verify? She knew the truth. If she ended up going I would have insisted on a copy of the final contract she signed if she ever wanted to see me again. Read the first chapter to get references to the original reports from April 2019 if you want to go all the way back. At my urging in August 2019 she got a passport.

You insult me Danny. You think I would be going through this for an ugly?

Thanks. This is certainly a real-life story and I am telling it as it happened, with an occasional 'look ahead' when I think appropriate.

It was a huge amount to her and she should treat it as such. If she could not be trusted with what I gave her, then I would not want to stay with her. I do have money, and if we end up together then I would want to be sure I could trust her with it.

Umm, care to share what my relationship with Secret is today? I have asked you guys to make predictions.

And a common question: Why is the farm suddenly having a problem?

A legit question. It started years ago. Can I simply say the widowed mother took out a loan and only paid the interest? The debt grew and grew until Secret felt she had to work in Pattaya to get enough money to finally pay it all off. But Secret was not a successful BG and she failed. She was going to make the mother sell the land to avoid an imminent foreclosure (oh, can I mention a mother who didn't want to sell and let her daughter go work in Pattaya? Then she talked to an agent about working in Koreas who offered to advance her money (at an outrageous interest rate of course) if she signed a long work contract with him. Even this is a simplification, but many of you will still say I was scammed no matter what I say.

I'm not here to criticize you will get enough without my help. As I noted they have their own school in her village or farm way before she ever step foot into the business she basically has very little educationa and her mother even less. Just based on your comments when it comes to the farm it most likely isn't the first nor it be the last " interest only " sure didn't come from a bank. It isn't that she is a bad bar girl in many cases it will always be something for these girls as I noted the Thai culture has laid a heavy burden on the females if not the land it would be something else?

I wasn't born yesterday but as I noted the two year deal is a big red flag " Agent " I want to laugh stop rolling on the ground advance money that she will never be able to get out even if she works the field all day in between and working a massage parlor in Korea. I don't have enough text to explain how it works the cost to get her there which most likely is illegal and once there her passport is confiscated I think you assume what might happen thereafter. Sure it happens but a 2 year labor contract into another country and with a advance I've not seen or heard too many of those?

Depending on where she is from unless the family owns lots of rai I would think if real what you spend at GoGos might be able to pay the sum off? It kind of comes down to this for me we all be. S. You need to learn " Not the Art of the deal " but the Art of be. S. " You are asking some of the right question now ask for even more tell her you want to help but you don't have a lot of money but have to borrow it yourself to help that you know a friend of a friend if she can forward the contract the mother signed you can have a lawyer you know in Bangkok look at it and explain to you and if possible we can fix it so it doesn't happen again now wait for a reaction? This goes the same for the contract to Korea.

Thais in general aren't going to come right out in majority of situation and tell you exactly what they want she has been crying out to you in her own way but you are stuck in the Western way of thinking that she is going to just come right out and say you want love this is how much it is going to cost you a month for me to be yours.

What you are writing many don't see the importance only that you are getting sucker down deep much to learn from your report sadly not many will see the light at the end of the tunnel? Good luck!