Pattaya Reports

[Thai Addict]

Sometimes life sucks. I arrived in Pattaya for a relaxing holiday but three days later I found myself in the hospital with an acute appendicitis. Bad luck, but it's is treatable. Thailand has a good medical infrastructure and I had a good medical insurance, so no problems here. I survived and there were no permanent consequences.

However due to this incident I couldn't enjoy the available fruit as planned. I had to stay away from strenuous activities and avoid body contact. Keeping a fresh operation wound clean is a challenge in the tropics. In other words: a simple B2B massage or even too much sweating could put me to the risk of an infection.

So what could I do? The most important thing after any surgery is to stay active. So when they discharged me, I upgraded my hotel and spent the remaining time walking, talking and observing the streets so that I could still provide a humble contribution to this forum. No P4P for me this time unfortunately. But I forgot that I was in Thailand. Especially, I forgot I was in Pattaya.

First impressions of Walking Street and Beach road.

My previous visit in Pattaya was in 2008. Today Walking Street looks more or less the same though a little less boisterous than I remember. Lucifer? Check! Still there. Ocean 10? Gone! (I loved to watch the dancers on the catwalk at the front). Flower sellers and street performers? Still there. Hot promo girls? Of course! Live music? Yes. Public? In general a more Asian look and feel than I remember. Prices? Gone up. I will have a hard time to get a beer for the 2008 going price.

One other thing definitely changed, as everywhere. Smartphones! In 2008 the first iPhones still had to appear in Thailand. The happy few had an HTC running Windows Mobile. But apps like Tinder, Line, WeChat, WhatsApp and ThaiFriendly were nonexistent. Today there is no Thai girl without a smartphone and they seem to be more interested in their smartphone than in me. In 2008 I could make eye contact with every girl. Today I can pass a quarter of the girls without even noticing me.

Walking Street has been described extensively in many threads so there is little I can add. All major attractions are within the first 500 meter. It's fun to stroll along, watch people, eat and visit clubs. It covers virtually any taste and any budget.

Strolling along Beach road after 7 pm, you can choose from more than hundred freelancers, some of which you can have short time (ST) with for less than the barfine of a gogo girl. Most Beach road girls are within the 5 to 7 range with an occasional 8, and in their mid 20's to mid 30's with occasional 40+s. ST starts around 800 baht depending on the girl, moment in time, your looks and negotiation skills etc. At 7 pm you find them on the sidewalk. At 4 am you might find them in front of you. And when it rains, they are on the opposite side under the canopies. Some girls with a few extra pounds seem to target the Indian market which means wearing Indian dresses and an overdose of lipstick and mascara. With a little imagination, I could recognize them as the older, chubbier version of the freelancers in 2008. Prosperity has a devastating effect on a girl's figure but it's nice that these girls can also earn a few bath.

To P4P, or not to P4P?

The first few days I stayed in the air-conditioned climate of my hotel, but after a few days I decided to hit the streets and have a chat with as many girls as possible on beach road to see if there were any rough diamonds to be discovered. The ongoing construction work made it a little bumpy walk, but after three hours of disappointing conversations I saw her. She was standing away from the mainstream freelancers on beach road and I even wasn't sure whether she was freelancing at all. She looked cute in her jeans shorts and Hello Kitty T-shirt. So I sat next to her and cautiously started a conversation. Her English was definitely better than all the other girls I talked to previously. So far so good.

After some talking with her I realized that was a little hungry and I invited her for dinner in the Pattaya beer garden. The atmosphere at the front was quite lively, so I was glad that we could continue to the other end near the sea side where it was nice and quiet. We had good food, a few drinks and fun about which side of the drink coasters to put up. Her artist name was Aoy and she had a wit and humor I hadn't experienced before with freelancers and bargirls. Gave her a tip for her company. Then the inevitable question came whether I would interested to spend more time with her. I answered 'no'. She looked disappointed and asked me why I was not interested in her. I said I recently had an appendicitis surgery and she immediately understood. "How long ago?" she asked. "Six days" I answered. "How", she asked. "Laparoscopy", I answered.

I felt sorry for her because she invested time in me without the desired result. However she did not seem offended. She got up and said she was going to use the toilet. She came back after 15 minutes. I paid the bill and started to walk back to my hotel But for reasons I did not understand at that moment she escorted me. While walking, she talked about her bad customer experiences she had over time. All cultural prejudices that exist came along. Indian customers smelled and wanted a group fuck. Arab customers disrespected her as a women and treated her as trade. And the western farangs that flooded Pattaya over time were old and overweight. It was, in her words, a question about how much humiliation she tolerated for how much money. To a certain extent I had to agree with her. I worked with Indians professionally in the early 2000's and I never could get used to their body odor, rude behavior and showing bling, especially when they were in a group. As a single person they were quite modest however and when I explained why their behavior was perceived rude by others, some started to get the point. It all starts with understanding the concept that social codes differ between cultures and that your culture is not necessarily superior, just different.

She followed me into my hotel room and I let her in because I had not only premonitions about what was going to happen, but I was also curious about her next move. I explained again that I could not have physical contact because of my surgery. "Let me handle this" she answered "I will be careful". She gently pushed me into the bathroom where she gave me a shower, carefully avoiding the wound patch. Then she put me on bed and now I found out what she had done during her 'toilet visit'. She visited a nearby pharmacy. Out of her handbag came some disinfectant, a sterile pad, silk adhesive tape and some dressing. She removed the old patch, gently disinfected the wound and surroundings, put a fresh pad on it, and finished it with some fresh dressing. Hmmm, what's happening? Is here a nurse or a doctor at work? Had she recognized me from the hospital? Could be possible. I was alone and only vaguely remembered the staff, let be visitors.

Then she went into shower herself. What came out was a stunner. Her hair was loose, perfect breasts that only twenty somethings have (she would pass the pencil test cum laude), a body to die for and a smile you only find in the land of smiles. "You cannot make love", she whispered, "so I will be very careful". Then I received the slowest, longest and most intense blowjob in many years, if not of my whole life. I did not count the time (must be half an hour or so) but the result was that I exploded with all the energy and frustration of the last week in one big orgasm. I died, but was alive again! An appendicitis wound can be painful if your belly or pelvis muscles contract during an orgasm, but fortunately your sensory system is partly shut down at that moment. And she wasn't finished because after cleanup I got a post orgasm BJ. This resulted in a hard one and she sweetly smiled "again"? Hell, who am I to say no. The second little death was less than the first one but still memorable. I fell asleep exhausted.

The next morning she had to leave early and I gave her a big tip (for Thai standards). I wanted to see her again. But I sensed that this might be the first and only time. Got her phone number and Line ID though, but nothing is easier to change or thrown away than a digital identity. When I flew home I realized that things always go different than planned in Thailand, and Pattaya is a city full of surprises. And on a cold, depressing and rainy day I started to write down what's written here.

Privacy.

Privacy has changed drastically compared to 2008. Walking street, Beach road and Soi 6 are now the most intense camera-surveilled locations on the planet. Not only by the authorities, but also by the hundreds of thousands visitors that visit Pattaya each year with their smartphones and GoPros. And they all record just about everything of Pattaya day and nightlife. Among them are vloggers who try to make a living from their footage. They see themselves as embedded filmmakers and record girls and customers, without their consent and permission, in close up with hidden cameras or zoom lenses. For them, Pattaya is a big open air theatre where little dramas, wrongdoing and intimate moments happen at every moment, ready to be exploited. They upload their footage to their monetized channels. Others do it for free to boost their ego. In any case, vlogs that invade someone's privacy have become the next Internet business model. And with a tendency of more bandwidth for lower prices this is probably going to increase.

Vlogging a beach road walk is a popular genre on the Internet and because of that every single beach road freelancer has been filmed multiple times by multiple vloggers, is exposed on multiple social media channels and re-uploaded multiple times by copycats. A beach road freelancer now needs a certain level of carelessness and no illusions about a future career. I think this was the reason why Aoy stood away from the mainstream freelancer queue. The P4P scene works at best with a little discretion and it doesn't help when vloggers make beach road (and walking street) videos wherein girls and customers are recognizable and share these with millions of viewers. It will be interesting to see how this will develop within the next years.

At the time I write this report, hundreds of other vlogs about Pattaya are posted on social media every day (not all P4P related of course). The result: chances are high that you will be recorded by someone and find yourself and your girlfriend starring on one of the many social media channels about Pattaya for the rest of your life and beyond. And all of your friends and spouses can ask: "Hey isn't that <your name here? But who in the f*ck was that girl he is holding hands with? I'm pretty sure I appear on a number of photos / videos as I noticed at least three blokes pointing their smartphones intentional or unintentional at us during that night.

Other observations.

During daytime there isn't much action on Beach road. It's Tourist Time (with a few exceptions). If you see sexy girls during daytime, they are probably Chinese tourists or Thai girls with their customer / sugar daddy.

About Pattaya micro-economics: I noticed that a whole chain of suppliers (street food vendors, fake jewelry merchants, flower sellers, fashion vendors, sneaker sellers and so on) depend on the Pattaya working girls. If the tourists disappear, this whole system will collapse.

Soi 6 is worth a visit late afternoon or early evening. You might try the 'spank walk' along Soi 6 where you will be dragged by the girls or spanked with anything varying from inflatable plastic hammers to foam tubes. I had a BBBJ on that first day with a girl called Po in Ruby Club (Soi 6, not sure anymore about her name). I already did not feel well that day so I limited myself to BJ. Excellent experience and I would have come back if I hadn't stayed in the hospital for my appendicitis.

The western expats I met in beer bars had some striking similarities. They might be tagged (in any combination) with one or more of the following properties:

- bald headed.

- overweight.

- 50+.

- 'lad' type Brit.

- tattooed.

- retired.

- ex-entrepreneur.

- hippie mentality.

- divorced or have a history of broken relationships.

- hardly speak any Thai (let be write).

- have cash of unknown origin.

- like to watch sports.

- vague (or even criminal) past.

- binge drinking.

And it seems that the Thai government wants to get rid of them by restricting visa rules, increase monitoring and setting a minimum income requirement (e. G. $60 K on a Thai bank account and a minimum income of $40 K per year, which is roughly 12 times the minimum wage and 4 times the average wage in Bangkok). This (and the strong Thai bath) already forced the lower class of expats out of Thailand, either back home or to cheaper neighboring countries. But for the girls this is interesting information because the remaining (and new) longstay farangs are now worth a minimum of 1. 8 million bath on a Thai bank account and a stable income of 1.2 million bath per year.

Pattaya bar girls are sweet and approachable as long as the money keeps flowing into their direction. But they can also be very jealous and causing trouble. Barfining another girl than the one you barfined on a previous occasion in the same establishment might trigger extreme reactions. (I call this Thai hypocrisy. That same bar girl will have served several customers when you get back, a fact you are expected to neglect). However avoid that a girl loses face. Losing face has severe social consequences for anyone in Asia. But in general the girls must be socially gifted because they can get on with virtually any person, many of which I would stay away from. Even for money.

That's all folks. Next year I might be back for a retry. But Pattaya has become a weird combination of fun and scrutiny. You can still exchange your excess of sperm and cash for pussy and GFE and live in a fantasy for a few weeks. However you might become a protagonist in someone else's vlog. Next time I probably choose a more quiet location, off the beaten tourist tracks. And in an era where an increasing number of males from countries with a poorly developed medical care and a messy prostitution business are filling Pattaya pussies, you better put on two condoms.

[WalterWhite]

Anyone been to JP Republic on Soi Lucky Star, Walking Street? I have gogo girls sending me Line messages to go.

Banana Boi,

I was there last week. It is a disco club. It is smaller than Insomnia but decent. It stays open a bit later than Insomnia that closes at 5 am. JP was open till 5:30 am. Not a bad disco.

[Cunning Stunt]

Well my friends are gone and my hair is grey.

I ache in the places where I used to play.

And I'm crazy for love but I'm not coming on.

I'm just paying my rent every day.

Oh in the Tower of Song.

L COHEN.

I know just what Leonard meant. Its just not happening for me in Pattaya this time. And the thing is I don't care because I go to Manila next and if it don't happen for me there, then there is no hope for me whatsoever.

Mind you, looking on the bright side, I did get an okay BJ when I ventured down Sofi 6 again the other night but in Clintonese, that doesn't count. And I've been sending out feelers for a peculiar 'bucket list' fantasy that I have involving a pretty young lady, one of Pattaya's countless creatures of indeterminate gender and me. It will probably be either too difficult or too expensive to arrange so will likely remain a fantasy but watch this space.

Afterthought. I seem also to recall that they are frowned upon here so maybe it better that I not mention it again.

Well this is my 5th trip to Pattaya.

This is probably something like my 35th and almost certainly my last.

[Feelz Good]

Well this is my 5th trip to Pattaya. I usually stay 2-3 weeks at a time. Although I believe in your observation partly, I think it is getting harder to find the gold. IMHO, there is gold in them darn hills of Pattaya! There is 10's of thousands of ladies here to make money. First, Beach road is hot and cold and takes a lot more time and patience. For me, I am very picky, and walk some distance up and down and usually find a diamond in rough 50-60% of time. Years ago it used to be "how much you give", I would offer low and she would counter and I would agree and we were off to my hotel. She would feel in control but performance was hit or miss. The beer bar ladies I feel has gone downhill and gotten older and it takes too much scouting and drinking to score for my laziness. I experience a lot cute faces screaming at me to come and have a beer and once I come over to see the layers of make up or the big ass that has been hidden behind the counter, well I never had much luck with beer bar take out. Then there is the Go Go's. They have gotten pretty pricey. Drinks and bar fines are up and the ladies are firm and demand top money. No rhyme or reason to it, perhaps many factors come to play in her perceived value. Maybe how successful she has been, or how hungry she is, or what new dress she wants, or probably more times than not, how old, fat and ugly the customer is. But, if you are willing to spend what takes, you are always assured of a good time. None of these ladies want you to go back to mamasan and complain about a starfish! They will be young eye candy of your taste. I have been told there is 100 Go Go's on Walking Street. Don't know how many but every time I come for visit there is dozens of renamed or brand new clubs. This trip I was amazed at the selection at the Pin Up AGoGo a couple nights ago. My gal told me there was over a 100 ladies there that night. I would do 95% of them at it was very difficult picking one. I never experienced such a dilemma in all my past trips. They are there and plentiful, but maybe it takes a little more money and effort than years past. Good Luck hunting!

Well I'm having a lovely holiday here in Pattaya but not of the sex tourist kind. Either I have become far too damned picky (a possibility) or the quality of the available wenches has so far declined that even if I wasn't so choosy, I would still find it hard to find anything what wasn't in the bagger or even worse, the dreaded double bagger category. And I'll be fucked if I will pay for a walking horror story.

For example, yesterday I went to Devils Den in Soi LK Metro. In the past I have taken outcalls from there on the photographic evidence on their website and not been displeased with the girl or girls who turned up at my door. But a bad experience the last time that I booked an imp sight unseen, has decided me that it is better to err on the side of caution, particularly when you are considering taking a brace, by visiting first. And lucky that I did. Devils Den have seldom had many Thai beauties on their books but things have never been as desperate as it appears to be now. The line-up was numerically sound with about 8 girls available but I'm afraid that there was not a one amongst them that I particularly wanted to spend my precious time and money with. Don't get me wrong. They are probably all lovely girls but a MILF in her thirties is not what I have on my shopping list right now. I left disappointed.

And where are my favourite fallbacks, the African girls working on a visa? Don't tell me, immigration have had a visa clamp down recently. I've seen one since I got here (and none in Bangkok) and she looked scared of her own shadow.

It's no wonder that the bars are empty and must be really feeling the squeeze. It's peak season one would think, but I visited the Windmill last night and whereas in the past I would be fighting to get a seat, now I had the choice of many. When the Windmill is hurting, many other bars must be terminal. I popped into Happy which used to have some really hot dancers but I appeared to be the only customer (admittedly is was quite early) and the girls dancing listlessly on the stage were not a patch on its former glory.

So is Pattaya as a sex tourist destination, in terminal decline? There seems to be no shortage of normal tourists such as the Chinese and other East Asians. And there are plenty of Russian and of course the much maligned Indians who largely seem to do there own thing. And loads of Western retirees although I suspect that most do not have a great deal of disposable income so they tend to gravitate to cheaper bars of the bring your own, al fresco, Beach Road Coconut variety.

So the template for the future of the place is anyone's guess. Maybe sex industry businesses will struggle along more or less in its present form or maybe the red light areas will become smaller and more centralised. Who knows? One thing is for sure and that is that a Pattaya without its naughty Sanuk, would be a much reduced and boring place.

I'm heading back to Soi 6 for an afternoon visit to see if I can find a nice, bad girl, preferably one that does not squawk like a Isaan chicken being strangled!

[Banana Boi]

There are loads of them walking around and out and about everyday. All one needs to do is say hey, where are you going? Or talk to a waitress at the restaurant. Or talk to the chick at 7 Eleven. Or talk to the chick at Mike's shopping.

Or the girl starts talking to you first. I was enjoying lunch alone at S&P one day when the bakery girl across the restaurant saw me and came over to ask if I wanted to go to a movie after her shift. She was young and cute. How could I say no?

[Mr Enternational]

And loads of Western retirees although I suspect that most do not have a great deal of disposable income so they tend to gravitate to cheaper bars

No. As I have said time and time again, there is no need to go to a bar to get a chick in Pattaya. There are loads of them walking around and out and about everyday. All one needs to do is say hey, where are you going? Or talk to a waitress at the restaurant. Or talk to the chick at 7 Eleven. Or talk to the chick at Mike's shopping. Why are bars made out to be the end all be all?

[Cunning Stunt]

Well I'm having a lovely holiday here in Pattaya but not of the sex tourist kind. Either I have become far too damned picky (a possibility) or the quality of the available wenches has so far declined that even if I wasn't so choosy, I would still find it hard to find anything what wasn't in the bagger or even worse, the dreaded double bagger category. And I'll be fucked if I will pay for a walking horror story.

For example, yesterday I went to Devils Den in Soi LK Metro. In the past I have taken outcalls from there on the photographic evidence on their website and not been displeased with the girl or girls who turned up at my door. But a bad experience the last time that I booked an imp sight unseen, has decided me that it is better to err on the side of caution, particularly when you are considering taking a brace, by visiting first. And lucky that I did. Devils Den have seldom had many Thai beauties on their books but things have never been as desperate as it appears to be now. The line-up was numerically sound with about 8 girls available but I'm afraid that there was not a one amongst them that I particularly wanted to spend my precious time and money with. Don't get me wrong. They are probably all lovely girls but a MILF in her thirties is not what I have on my shopping list right now. I left disappointed.

And where are my favourite fallbacks, the African girls working on a visa? Don't tell me, immigration have had a visa clamp down recently. I've seen one since I got here (and none in Bangkok) and she looked scared of her own shadow.

It's no wonder that the bars are empty and must be really feeling the squeeze. It's peak season one would think, but I visited the Windmill last night and whereas in the past I would be fighting to get a seat, now I had the choice of many. When the Windmill is hurting, many other bars must be terminal. I popped into Happy which used to have some really hot dancers but I appeared to be the only customer (admittedly is was quite early) and the girls dancing listlessly on the stage were not a patch on its former glory.

So is Pattaya as a sex tourist destination, in terminal decline? There seems to be no shortage of normal tourists such as the Chinese and other East Asians. And there are plenty of Russian and of course the much maligned Indians who largely seem to do there own thing. And loads of Western retirees although I suspect that most do not have a great deal of disposable income so they tend to gravitate to cheaper bars of the bring your own, al fresco, Beach Road Coconut variety.

So the template for the future of the place is anyone's guess. Maybe sex industry businesses will struggle along more or less in its present form or maybe the red light areas will become smaller and more centralised. Who knows? One thing is for sure and that is that a Pattaya without its naughty Sanuk, would be a much reduced and boring place.

I'm heading back to Soi 6 for an afternoon visit to see if I can find a nice, bad girl, preferably one that does not squawk like a Isaan chicken being strangled!

[Achmmc]

How old are the videos you're watching? Sometimes the date the video is posted is a fair bit later than the date it was created.

As far as I know, 700 THB is the baseline going rate on Beach Road, it has been for a few years. Up until 2015 or so the going rate was 500 THB, but then jumped to 700. Some girls might ask for more (especially if busy), but it's OK to offer 700 and see if they accept, most will. In any case, on Beach Road, dreadful quality (I'm not too picky, but it really is dire) is more of a problem than price. I haven't been to Beach Road in a few months, so I'm not 100% sure, but things change slowly there.

I find that offering a price works much better than asking, as long as you know the going rate. Most girls feel better if I offer 700 and settle on 700-800, rather than if I talk her down from 1000. And if she throws out some ridiculous number like 1500-2000, the game is over before it started, even if we could have agreed.

As for other venues, it's highly unlikely prices would go down, they never do. The best you can hope for is price staying the same for a while, and girls readily accepting the lower end of the going rate range, rather pushing for more.

This past October during a 10 day stay in Pats I must have checked Beach Road four or five times and I have to agree about the "dreadful quality". For me it was well worth the incremental difference to find a girl on soi 6. That said, Beach Road can hold a surprise on occasion and I still look.

[Bunky]

I did not monger at all on that week long trip and I have not decided whether or not I will partake on this trip or not. Maybe I'll be happy with a BJ or two, and like Bill Clinton, not count them as having sex.

Monica Says: YOU FUNNY MAN!

[LittleBigMan]

Anyone been to The Mews G club that opened last week? It's walking distance from Kinnaree and open until 10 pm so a good place to hit after Kinnaree closes.

BB,

I've also heard that Kinnaree the land had sold to a developer? Haven't been up there since the news or rumor to confirm if it is true and whether he plans to move and reopen or just close and call it a day. Shame my favorite GM club!

[Christian G]

Anyone been to The Mews G club that opened last week? It's walking distance from Kinnaree and open until 10 pm so a good place to hit after Kinnaree closes.

I not been there but I read that the prices are 350 baht for room, 1000 baht for girl and 120 baht for ladydrinks.
https://www.facebook.com/The-Mews-100490514794008/

[Banana Boi]

Anyone been to The Mews G club that opened last week? It's walking distance from Kinnaree and open until 10 pm so a good place to hit after Kinnaree closes.

[Downandup]

Dr Who last season sucked, terrible, episodes made no sense and too many side kicks. After watching two episodes of this season, the writing looks improved.

I gave up watching it after 4 or 5 episodes, everything about it sucks big time, everyone needs to be fired and a new crew brought in. It may be sinking past the Sylvester McCoy days.

[Java Man]

And are they negotiating a discount rate for the team and are the four guys pictured really going to take turns on the girl or three of them fill the available slots and one man stand by as reserve? Or are they just negotiating for one of the party. I'm really interested to know.

Yes, maybe. My understanding is that its cultural. They're not accustomed to talking to the opposite sex. If only one is looking, the others are there to provide moral support. Then there's the negotiating aspect. You'll also see them holding hands, best of friends, from childhood, probably. They're Not gay, (not that there's anything wrong with that,) It's cultural remember.

Dr Who last season sucked, terrible, episodes made no sense and too many side kicks. After watching two episodes of this season, the writing looks improved.

[Franga]

Walking along Beach Road tonight, I spotted 3 Indian guys negotiating with a freelancer. Their offer to her was for the three of them to bang her one after the other in their room for a total of 1200 baht. So 400 baht each. She walked off with them so she must have accepted their generous offer. I suppose it beats working at 7-11 for 4 days at 300 baht per day.

Hey Stunt,

This may answer your question.