Pattaya Reports

[BionicMan]

I also agree with Croc and Paolo, about it being harder to find cute girls, and there being too many guys in the discos. The place used to be a bit overstocked, now all I see is guys standing around lost / confused in Pattaya discos as there aren't enough cute girls worth paying for. Sure, plenty of ugly ones but who wants to have sex with an ugly / plain / boring woman while on a limited time holiday, even for free.

And I agree with everyone that gogo prices in Pattaya and Bangkok have gone to absurd tourist trap prices. Might as well just go to any soapy (the lord, in Bangkok) and get an actual model for the same price (4000 baht). I guess because some guys like to think they are going to get LT and maybe also LLT. However, most gogo girls (the popular, good looking ones) are very reluctant to do LT and will leave at 4-5 AM.

And at the end of the day. A LT is ok eithe for the beginner who thinks to have found a pricey GF or for the expert who knows what to pull. The rest is just one more pop in the morning. That you pay as another ST.

Paying them to sleep in your nice Air con room?

[ParkVille]

I also agree with Croc and Paolo, about it being harder to find cute girls, and there being too many guys in the discos. The place used to be a bit overstocked, now all I see is guys standing around lost / confused in Pattaya discos as there aren't enough cute girls worth paying for. Sure, plenty of ugly ones but who wants to have sex with an ugly / plain / boring woman while on a limited time holiday, even for free.

And I agree with everyone that gogo prices in Pattaya and Bangkok have gone to absurd tourist trap prices. Might as well just go to any soapy (the lord, in Bangkok) and get an actual model for the same price (4000 baht). I guess because some guys like to think they are going to get LT and maybe also LLT. However, most gogo girls (the popular, good looking ones) are very reluctant to do LT and will leave at 4-5 AM.

[SearcherMan]

I tried to make contact with what looked like a Pattaya working girl on FB. But in a message exchange, it was some guy shilling for what looked like a provider for girls to Soi 6. He mentioned a name and an agency, which I won't, unless appropriate. This person supposedly runs all the Soi 6 bars, according to this shill. I read up on this person and he seems to be a notorious Soi 6 "mafia" boss. You regulars may know who I mean. Anyway, this guy's shill is very aggressively looking for suckers. He offered to fly a woman of my choice to Pattaya. When it became clear that I knew enough not to bring sand to the beach, he then got all Mr Hospitality on me. He said 'please check out our bars, approach any of the UK managers and they will get what you want'. Really, as if one has trouble shopping around on Soi 6.

I left the discussion politely, torn over whether to report the site or leave it around to so I could monitor. Anyway, a warning to newbies.

[Paolo99]

Increase in the price of hookers is far higher than the rate of inflation. Changes in the scene are vastly bigger than just "are not as submissive and docile for chump change", and mostly for the worse. Prostitution scene in Thailand is in an inevitable decline, it's already nothing like it were in 2010 or so, not just in terms of price, but more notably type of available girls, prevailing attitudes, service standards, effective hours of operation and sheer numbers...
If you don't care about the chances, simply enjoy the scene as it is (while it lasts) and ignore the negative reports.

I agree with you Crocodilexp.

The first time I came back in Thailand after the year 2000 was in 2009 and discos in Pattaya were still full of very cute or pretty girls. Back then I was giving only 500 baht for the cute ones in Insomnia (same price than in the early 2000's in the Marine 2 disco). If a girl wanted more than that, I was never asked more than 1500 baht. I came back twice a year for 1 month each in Pattaya and I can swear that it was getting more and more difficult to spot cute girls each time in discos. I personally saw the place decline from 2009 to 2012. The last time I tried my luck with a girl in Insomnia was in October 2015, the place was full of dicks and dogs but I managed to spot a girl that looked clean and classy (actually she did an effort with her hair style, her makeup and the way she dressed) but she asked 4000 baht (way too much for her). The gogos still have some good looking girls but it looks like the price is not that cheap. As for the decline of service I did not see a significant change with freelancers in Pattaya. Last time I spent a few days in Pattaya was in October 2016 and it was the first time I did a girl in soi 6 and she was pretty good. Nowadays I'm more a Bangkok oilies guy and I could still find some cute girls that provided a good service (I'm not a PSE guy though).

[Franciscass]

Increase in the price of hookers is far higher than the rate of inflation. Changes in the scene are vastly bigger than just "are not as submissive and docile for chump change", and mostly for the worse. Prostitution scene in Thailand is in an inevitable decline, it's already nothing like it were in 2010 or so, not just in terms of price, but more notably type of available girls, prevailing attitudes, service standards, effective hours of operation and sheer numbers.
If you don't care about the chances, simply enjoy the scene as it is (while it lasts) and ignore the negative reports.

I've lived here for most of the last 20 years and of course there have been changes but from my perch I don't see the deterioration in either quality, quantity or service levels you describe.

As to prices I feel it depends on which segment of the market you are talking about. Go-Go prices absolutely has gone through the roof mainly I feel as a result of huge increases in rents in the popular areas and yes some High end club FL'S are asking silly prices but for Oilies, Soapies BJ bars and the street and bar FL scene I haven't noticed the same level of increases.

If you compare escort prices in Bangkok to prices in Manila, Jakarta, Ho Chi Minh Phnom Penh and Kuala Lumpur they are more than competitive and compared to Hong Kong Singapore Tokyo and Seoul they are dead cheap.

As to quantity I see no shortage anywhere I go.

Quality and service levels are very much an individual subjective evaluation but despite on occasion not finding anything to my spec or taste I have no shortage of great sex with beautiful women at affordable prices.

The sad fact is we do get older and without realizing it we do begin to take what Thailand offers for granted when really we should wake up every morning and thank our lucky stars this where we live eat and monger.

[Eszpresszo]

So almost every Internet search on mongering at Pattaya has a segment raving about Thai Friendly, how the local hot girls would jump at you and spread their legs within 1 HR of meeting you.

Thanks!!

My experience with TF will not reflect everyone's, but it was largely a waste of time for me. If you are younger and look good, I would think it would a good option. However, when you are pushing 50 like me, you are likely to attract the following:

1) Mature women looking for a husband. Sure, they will quickly hop into bed with you, if you can convince them you are seriously looking for a wife. But, that is the case anywhere in the world.

2) Crazy women or just really desperate women. I had to block many who seemed so desperate to meet me I had to assume they were nuts or had some unknown motives (scams?

3) Chicks who want to waste your time. I've read this is a problem with Thai dating site, and I personally experienced it. I hung around BKK a few days longer than I should have trying to hook up with a MILFy divorcee, who swore she would make me happy. Promises, promises. She only ended up pissing me off, by spending our dates texting on her phone and posting photos of us on Facebook. Some Thai women apparently think dating a farang is a status thing, I understand.

Seeing that Pattaya is a P4P scene, I think you should just go with that, since those girls are everywhere. TF would just distract from what you are coming for. Seems like dating the girls is a better option further up North, away from BKK and Patts. There are some cute chicks up there and they seem more down to earth. Farangs seem less common there. But again, they are looking for a relationship.

Also, I advise all to set their preferences once they pay for a premium account. You can chose the age group, nationality, and gender preference of who can contact you. Upon signing up, I immediately received messages from some very young Filipino ladyboys. As you might imagine I was a bit confused, because that is not what I signed up for.

[Crocodilexp]

I wasn't here 20 years ago or even 10 but everything everywhere has become more expensive, it's called inflation and yes I imagine the girls are not as submissive and docile and willing to sell their services for chump change as they once were but why should they.

If, as you admit yourself, you don't know what you're talking about, why talk about it?

Increase in the price of hookers is far higher than the rate of inflation. Changes in the scene are vastly bigger than just "are not as submissive and docile for chump change", and mostly for the worse. Prostitution scene in Thailand is in an inevitable decline, it's already nothing like it were in 2010 or so, not just in terms of price, but more notably type of available girls, prevailing attitudes, service standards, effective hours of operation and sheer numbers. Of course, there will always be some ragged hags selling pussy in some sad place (as there are in most of the world, except for fundamentalist hellholes like the USA or Saudi Arabia), but in just 10 years or so, Thailand might not be worth the trip as a sex destination, and sadly, how things are going, there may not be any solid replacements.

If you don't care about the chances, simply enjoy the scene as it is (while it lasts) and ignore the negative reports.

However, this forum is a perfectly acceptable place for old timers like me to whine about the changes and get some opinions / feedback from others who did experience Thailand over a longer time span. Personally, I find it helpful to know that others agree that the scene actually did change in specific ways, and that I'm not just a fading jaded old curmudgeon who complains about everything and simply became too bitter to enjoy working girl-mongering as I once did. It helps us old farts redirect our efforts, let bygones be bygones, and feel better and make full use of the options which still remain available.

[ParkVille]

I'm guessing we're in a different generation. Aren't we all still out at 2:15 am?

Nah I'm early 30's, but like most people my age, I need to make hay while the sun shines. Meaning, I don't have a nest egg, so I need to make money in my high-income years and a club blasting music next to a giant condo is fucking annoying. Glad I'm not staying here on a lease.

[HorneeFalang]

I couldn't agree with you more. The good ole days when girls were so poor and destitute they would stay with you all night for next to nothing, that's what some members call the good ole days.

Good ole days for whom, certainly not for Thai people. Now because they are smarter, have mobile phones and want to improve their appearance and get paid a fair price for their service it's not the same anymore. What a load of horseshit.

I have friends who visit here for the first time and they cannot believe how beautiful and affectionate the girls are and how great the sex is. It's the long term mongers who are changing, getting older and grumpier..

Trust me. They were good old Days, however these days are fantastic as well. Sure the girls have changed and now have more options. These days a lot of the hotties want the life of a bar girl / Go Go. Its quick easy money for a year or two and a lot of the sweet things find the life appealing so they get your Baht for Phones, Boyfriends motorbikes and funds for Mai Yai. 20-25 years ago some had no choices and had to leave the villages to work in the Bars / clubs. In the province I live in many, many beautiful girls get on the bus every week and head south with a smile on their face coming to get your money and to give you sweet love in return. Living here is great. No whining or complaining from me and the excellent news is there is no shortage of new recruits coming to a bar near you. Long Live The King!

[Mr Enternational]

If I lived here all the time I imagine I could easily become just another whiner complaining about this and that.

I have yet to meet any guy living in Thailand that whines and complains. Everybody I meet love it. If not, why would they simply not move back home? I only see a bunch of complaining from guys online.

[GerryGa]

I couldn't agree with you more. The good ole days when girls were so poor and destitute they would stay with you all night for next to nothing, that's what some members call the good ole days.

Good ole days for whom, certainly not for Thai people. Now because they are smarter, have mobile phones and want to improve their appearance and get paid a fair price for their service it's not the same anymore. What a load of horseshit.

I have friends who visit here for the first time and they cannot believe how beautiful and affectionate the girls are and how great the sex is. It's the long term mongers who are changing, getting older and grumpier.

They have become so accustomed to having beautiful young girls available 24 hours a day that unless everything about them is perfect weight nose skin blah blah blah, moan moan moan oh it was so much better in the good ole days. Yeh for who. For me Thailand rocks and always will.

I agree. I know myself after only a limited amount of visits I started to become blasé about the scene. Its human nature. If I lived here all the time I imagine I could easily become just another whiner complaining about this and that.

I wasn't here 20 years ago or even 10 but everything everywhere has become more expensive, it's called inflation and yes I imagine the girls are not as submissive and docile and willing to sell their services for chump change as they once were but why should they.

They are more informed with more options and I suggest if we accept this and lower expectations all will be well.

Personally I feel mistakenly maybe that often bad experiences are down to the behavior and attitude of the customer because perhaps there wasn't agreement on what services are being provided how long she will stay etc.

For sure there are some girls who are not suited to the profession and shouldn't be in it, some who are rip off artists and some who are just plain lazy but for the most part I feel the girls do genuinely want to satisfy the customer, get paid and go home and watch Korean soap operas at the end of their shift.

Anyway on this visit I am having the time of my life although my visit to Saphan Khwai which I was looking forward to was a disappointment. Interesting but outside my comfort zone.

[XXL]

Point taken, though I would also point out that pheromone-like compounds could be secreted by humans (the jury is probably still out). But as you state, humans have lost the ability to collect and process the pheromones and thus the bottling of the molecular compounds would not cause "more wars than the spice / opium trade".

Ikks.

I don't know about pheromones but there's something in a woman's natural scent that works on me as good as 100 MG Viagra and it's not just psychological. It's something I might have never become aware of had I not mongered in Africa. African girls will have some body hair and be content to wash once a day. They will have had no more than 0, 1, 2 or 3 clients during the same week. If they give you an STD it will usually be a strain that goes away quickly with classical antibiotics.

On two separate occasion in Douala (Cameroons) I remember girls going about the disco surrounded in a thick halo of their own sweat. It was so noticeable I wondered how the other girls in the disco put up with it. They were no lookers compared to some other girls but they gave me an instant hard-on. Were they ovulating? I noticed such girls went bare-back no questions asked.

My best all-time memory was petite gazelle Nirina in Antanarivo. Nirina was close to 18 but definitely above 18 as she had her own passport. She was wet and slippery as an eel in bed, a ball of sweat underneath me as I ground her for ages. No Viagra needed there. She also mastered the very special sexual technique of going totally motionless and flaccid like a dead jellyfish as soon as the man started ejaculating. Very, very weird but arousing no end.

In Yaounde I once asked the girl I had sessioned on 3 consecutive days if she could bring a well-endowed lad of her acquaintances to the room next time for me to watch and take some pics. The guy was not at all the ghetto thug one would expect, more like a shy nice guy. The show was so-so, the guy was too shy and not enough of an exhibitionist. When both were gone I smelt something in the room that wasn't right: the male component in body smell. As a further anecdote about this, I'd given the black guy some Viagra to experiment. On the next day the girl told me the poor chap had had the Viagra peaking too late, giving him a raging erection for the whole afternoon. "Did you take him out of his misery" I asked. "Not at all", she answered, "I let him stew with it, he's none of my business". Those harsh words were a good reminder that women will pimp men at least as often as the other way round. I'm sure none of the money I'd given the couple had gone into his pocket.

Mother Africa! If only I could retire within your bosom and ass cheeks, without catching malaria, without constant power cuts, without paying 3 x the normal price for anything but sex.... All these nuisances, of course, are the price to pay for not needing Viagra.

[Mander]

Not sure why you think TF has 10's and gogo bars have 6's. Have you been to the top gogo bars in Pattaya? People choose TF over gogo bar girls mainly because it is MUCH cheaper. Also maybe because guys get a feeling of accomplishment picking up a girl online rather than picking of the nearest gogo or bar girl. I see one of my gogo girl's mother on TF. That's scary.

It would be my first time going to Pattaya. Was planning on going to DR, but I figured Pattaya would be much better investment.

I guess TF isn't for me then. Free sex is nice, but I already have a budget for fun, and I have nothing to prove by winning girls. I was under impression DDGs are far and few between among bar girls according to some posts & blogs, and you have better chance to find them in TF. I did get bunch of propositions from some scary looking mommas LOL.

[Banana Boi]

I tried TF because I saw pictures of 9's and 10's, whereas I would expect bar / agogo would be 6's and 7's.

Not sure why you think TF has 10's and gogo bars have 6's. Have you been to the top gogo bars in Pattaya? People choose TF over gogo bar girls mainly because it is MUCH cheaper. Also maybe because guys get a feeling of satisfaction picking up a "REAL" girl online rather than picking of the nearest gogo or bar girl. I see one of my gogo girl's mother on TF. That's scary.

[MrManGuy]

I couldn't agree with you more. The good ole days when girls were so poor and destitute they would stay with you all night for next to nothing, that's what some members call the good ole days.

Good ole days for whom, certainly not for Thai people. Now because they are smarter, have mobile phones and want to improve their appearance and get paid a fair price for their service it's not the same anymore. What a load of horseshit.

I have friends who visit here for the first time and they cannot believe how beautiful and affectionate the girls are and how great the sex is. It's the long term mongers who are changing, getting older and grumpier.

They have become so accustomed to having beautiful young girls available 24 hours a day that unless everything about them is perfect weight nose skin blah blah blah, moan moan moan oh it was so much better in the good ole days. Yeh for who. For me Thailand rocks and always will.

Yeah I agree. One melted my icy heart. I haven't felt my heart strings pulled like that in a long time.

End of the day $250 bucks for the night with an attractive 20 year old is not much. Thai are still pretty poor. They have face and all that so they try and hide it.