Pattaya Reports

[Run Mann]

In Thailand, crime is almost absent and thats why I prefer it to any other destination even if I would love to enjoy again exceptional ethno sex with terrific providers in Rio or other destinations in South America.

LP

No! Crime is not "almost absent" in Thailand, perhaps a different level or type of crime exist here as opposed to Rio but crime is 'present and accounted for' in Thailand. Setting aside the countless victims of love who come here and end up killing themselves and or their lovers over their broken hearts, there's an extended line of hapless victims stretching from the airport to BKK and other cities who can tell you their war stories and or show you their wounds. Then there are others who will never tell because they were not fortunate enough to survive their encounters or are in the BKK Hilton. You've probably not seen much crime in Thailand because like any other destination, if you use common sense and stay out of local politics in Thailand, you can be safe as you would anywhere else even with the criminals at work.

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[Lone Punter]

[QUOTE=Junior; 1101443]Very good report.

"I am a decade plus long fan of Rio and the wonderful Brasilieras, but pricing has gotten out of control with the strong real and local inflation. If money was unlimited I would still take the Rio termas over any other place in the world. They are just amazing places to meet young, attractive and sexually skilled ladies."




Basically Rio is a top destination but for me the most important reasons not to return is not money but safety. I took a stunning mulatta out of Help disco, in the appartment she started to argue about money. Throw her out but then she hammered against the door with her killer high heels from the out side, I was holding against from the inside so that not all the door with its frame would loosen, her heels perforated the door multiple times before she left. That was in the middle of the night, a guard arrived with a big colt but she had left already. But she was certainly on coke and turned very aggressive. In Thailand, crime is almost absent and thats why I prefer it to any other destination even if I would love to enjoy again exceptional ethno sex with terrific providers in Rio or other destinations in South America.

LP

[Junior]

i have been to rio de janeiro, brazil many times over the last 6 years and i thought that it was heaven on earth. i loved the food, the termas, taking girls home, etc and when i first went there it was fairly cheap ($40 / termas session, $60 take home). over the years though rio has had massive inflation and the dollar has collapsed against their currency. for example 60 minutes at 4x4 went from r150 to r240 and the dollar went from 3. 15 to 1. 65 so in us$ prices have basically tripled from $47 to $145. i have always thought about going to asia (either los or pi) but had heard some bad things from guys that had been there. girls too shy, girls too small, no variety in ethnic types, flight too long, discrimination against farangs, etc. i also had spent a lot of time and money teaching myself portuguese and did not know if i wanted to make the effort to learn another language (or languages since the providers in asia tend to come from the provinces with their own dialects different from thai or tagalog).

finally this year i bit the bullet and went out of my comfort zone and booked a trip to thailand. i had a hard time at first because i was solo and the rules here seem to be different than brazil but by the end of my week i was loving this place and already trying to figure out when i can come back.

i took girls from walking street beer bars, walking street go gos, and soi 13/2 go gos. i also made a trip to devil's den. other than dd i exclusively went lt. the beer bars are an interesting phenomenom to me. i like the fact that basically everyone is available. i had often wanted to bang waitresses, counter girls, etc in the rio termas but that was not allowed. taking girls home from termas was also not allowed although often done in secret. it was refreshing to go to the thai system that is basically designed for takeout.

like i said i had some issues in the first few days. i would go to a go go and try to talk to a girl and few flat out refused saying "i have period!" i estimate the 40% of the girls i spoke to those first few days had their period. obviously some of them were lying but i could not figure out what the problem was. in all my trips to mexico and brazil i never had any sort of rejection like that at all. as it happened in order to find a taker i had to bar-hop to 3 or 4 bars before i found a mutually compatible girl. i also found it frustrating that when i took a girl they did not want to go straight back to get down to business but they wanted to go to the disco or another bar first to have a few drinks. pricing was reasonable though. the go go bar fine was either 500 or 600 and the girls went lt for 1500-2000. i had thought that the girl fee was totally up to she and the client but some bars actually had a piece of paper with the girl fee written on it. 2000 for st and 3000 for lt, for example but i found that i could just say to the girl or mamasan,"no. that is too much," and get significantly less.

i also got some frustration with pictures. i would ask girls if it was ok for me to take some. some allowed naked shots with face, one allowed an underwear shot, some clothed. that was the girls that i took home. in the bars, however, one go go and one beer bar girl refused to talk to me any longer once i brought up the subject. note i assured them no internet (sorry fellas) and even offered that they could leave their face out or remained clothed but the deal was off at this point.

i pulled my first beer bar girl a few nights into the trip. it was not from one of the screaming beer bars that seem designed for bar fines but a restaurant where they did not explicitly advertise that they wanted barfines. she wanted 1500 but i managed to get her out for 1200+300. we went to my hotel and she was very shy. she came out of the shower and into bed with a towel on. when i asked her to "smoke" (bj) she flat out refused saying she did not do that. it took me at least a half hour to get her to kiss me. however once we got going it was very nice. we got off a session and then fell asleep. she cuddled very tight and did not mind me seeing her naked now even when we pulled off the blanket when it got too hot. we woke up in the morning and had round 2. i even got her to do a little female superior in that round. we laid around cuddling for a while and then did round 3. i was feeling very good. when she finally left at 4pm she asked for 1300. i happily gave it to her and considered giving her her initial offer of 1500 but she was very happy with the 1300.

to straighten myself out a bit i went to devil's den one day. that place was pretty good although pricey for pattaya at 3600 for 2 girls and 90 minutes. this is actually significantly less than the price for 1 girl for 40 minutes in a rio termas. it was the closest thing that i could find like a rio termas although it was missing the element of being able to mingle with and feel up the girls for an hour or so before a session. i took 2 girls for a session and they were excellent. no shyness at all, both did anal, lesbian show, cim, load swapping, etc. dd has a nice set-up. although it is not an every day place for me i will definitely go back as maybe a once or twice per trip luxury.

my trip improved after the dd visit. when i went to the beer bars and go gos the girls seemed to start liking me and i was able to get some good sessions to finish the week. i paid between 1200 and 1500 + 300 barfine for beer bar girls and between 1500 and 2000 + 500-600 barfine for go gos with the closer to walking street ones getting more. it was some pretty good gfe and they usually stayed until quite late in the afternoon. i also starting picking them up later so there was less ability to bar-hop.

overall by the end of my trip i was in a good groove and enjoying the place.

my thoughts about why it is better than rio:

1) price. hotels a third the price of rio apartments. girls half the price or less.

2) lt option. rio has no real lt option. termas and agencies are basically st. to get lt you have to get freelancers. i don't like freelancers. i like to have some accountability and some health checks.

3) safety. see #2. also, the streets were full of people 24 hours per day and walking distances less. i never felt in danger. even the stray dogs were polite. rio, however, sometimes resembles a war zone. muggings and carjackings are common. petty thievery, especially on the beach, is rampant. there have been several publicized hostage situations in copacana hotels, a restaurant, and on buses in the last few years.

4) go gos. these were great. although i missed the groping ability of termas the go gos were a close second. buy a girl a drink and you can grope her all you want. i had some that refused to leave me alone after one drink. i had to send forcefully send them away. note i came into this bar with another girl so they knew they weren't going to be barfined. these were just having fun, giving me lap dances, letting me feel them up, etc for 20 minutes or more all for a 110 baht lady drink.

5) beer bars. a nice cheap alternative to go gos. the girls were only slightly less attractive than go gos but much shyer. sometimes shy is nice.

6) along with #5 it is nice that almost everyone is available.

7) numbers. are there hundreds of go gos? thousands of beer bars? i don't know. it seemed that way. and all in walking distance to each other. rio has about 8 main termas. 2-3 main freelance bars, and dozens of low level termas that i have never been to because i like quality in my vacation. plus in rio these venues are spread out and require transportation to reach.

8) niceness. the thai girls were truly nice and aimed to please in every way only limited by their shyness. a 20 baht tip usually brought a big smile and a wai. as of late the rio girls have gotten spoiled a bit.

9) no shirtless brazilians. that is the biggest annoyance in the biggest termas in rio. 4x4. it is full of loud, drunk brazilians walking around with their robes down. i do not go to a termas to be rubbed up on by shirtless men. there seems to be more space in the go gos too and people where regular clothes.

10) very few beggars. copacabana is full of beggars.

11) although i do find the double pricing annoying no one short-changed me that i am aware of. that happens all the time in rio. in fact the last brazilian i dealt with in the usa short-changed me $1 as well. and this was after we had a long conversation entirely in portuguese.

things worse than rio:

1) no termas. this is only a minor criticism because most of the elements of a termas are available. go gos replace the groping. devil's den replaces the sexy incall. st and soi 6 (which i never did so i can only speculate) replace the aspect of a quick shot.

2) territoriality. most of the bars are small. when i hang around a small bar the girls grow on me. once i pulled a girl from a bar her friends would often refuse to go with me. the opposite usually happens in rio. girls will recommend their friends, sisters, cousins, etc. this is also a minor issue as well since there are so many bars and it was not universal. sometimes girls did recommend their friends or friends wanted to have me barfine them. this problem was the biggest in the restaurant where i got the very shy girl. unfortunately the next day a very attractive friend of hers showed up and flat out refused me out of respect for her friend.

3)"period". early on i got a lot of refusals from girls on their "period". this was not an issue later in the trip though. i think the girls were already spoken for or had other issues or maybe even had their period. i was able to mitigate this later on by not just picking girls by their appearance but by how they reacted to me and by talking to the mamasans. in rio, however, you can do quite well picking girls by their appearance because mostly they are trying to maximize their clientelle and duds are rare.

4) shyness. sometimes shyness can be cute but i did miss the open sexuality of the brasileiras. almost every one of them is a gamer from the start. they dance sexy, dress sexy, fuck sexy, and genuinely seem to enjoy their jobs. their word for bikini is the same as dental floss. i took a sexy thai girl to the beach one day and she wore a suit that had a skirt on it like she was a fat old woman.

5) performance. continuing #4, in rio anal and cim are commonplace. they also give as good as they get. rio girls are masters at combining gfe with pse. the only girls i met that would entertain anal and cim were from devil's den. performance-wise too the dd girls were close to the brazilian standard.

5) smallness. i had a few girls complaining that i was too large and was hurting them. i even let one girl go early (with a discount of course) because she was grimacing the entire time we were screwing. she was about 4 foot 10 and 90 pounds. after her though i got a tube of ky and no one complained after that so hopefully i solved the problem.

6) stickiness. a few times i would call a girl over and buy her a drink but then on closer inspection i decided not to take her but another girl in the bar. sometimes it was very tough to get the first girl to go away. some demanded another drink or tip. rio girls usually take this rejection better and go away without a fuss.

7) bar hopping. since the bars are small i often had to hit a few bars to find a mutually compatible girl. i assume that it is frowned upon to enter a bar and not order a drink so i always did. i do not like to drink much when i am mongering but since draft beer is cheaper than water i drank the beer. hitting several bars this can add up monetarily and physically.

8) double pricing. i know locals often get a discount in many places but thailand is the first place i have been that actually codifies it. i went with a girl to lucifer's one night and they actually have 2 menus. local's beer cost 90. farang's 170. 170 is outrageous for a beer in the us let alone thailand. i won't be going back there or at least i won't drink. a girl alerted me to this and she wanted to get her own beer but since they saw her with me they charged her the 170. then they wanted a tip on top of that too.

9) racial variety. in rio you can get white, black, indian in every combination and even the occasional half-japanese. in pattaya it was either asian or overpriced uzbek.

10) ladyboys. mostly they kept away but occasionally they were annoying.

11) indian tailors. no. i do not want to buy a suit. stop asking me.

bottom line, will i go back to pattaya? hell yea.

will i go back to rio? only on someone else's dime or if the real collapses which is unlikely before the 2014 olympics and 2016 world cup.

very good report.

i am a decade plus long fan of rio and the wonderful brasilieras, but pricing has gotten out of control with the strong real and local inflation. if money was unlimited i would still take the rio termas over any other place in the world. they are just amazing places to meet young, attractive and sexually skilled ladies.

about two years ago i went to pattaya for a few days as i was passing by thailand on the way to australia and have been back a few times since. your experiences are very very similar to mine. gogos & bars are very much hit and miss for finding a great lady. my pet peevee in the gogos are that the ladies are too often very unreliable with regards to services offered and time spend. most if not all will try to change the deal once you get back to your hotel.

as you mention devils den is the only place that comes anywhere near the brazilian standards we all love and crave. for my upcoming trip to pattaya i have decided just to stick to dd for all my lady needs. the only thing they miss is the pre session interaction you get in the termas. few things in this world can beat having a few dozen scantily clad young ladies competing for your attention.

while in pattaya i do miss the ethnic diversity of brazil, the churrascos, the sexually demanding ladies etc, but the pattaya ladies are starting to get a hold of me too.

[Fon Tok]

Yep, Pattaya hands down. I wouldn't say the girls are prettier there but the action is more concentrated and convenient for mongering.

Yep, Daddy knows the score better than most.

Pattaya is also relatively cheaper than Bangkok, right on the ocean, and a lot easier going than Bangkok. There's even some pretty white eye candy here and there.

Read the forum, ask a few specific questions, and prepare for a sweet time!

[Edward M]

Very Interesting report, And really professional analysis.

But I have one question. The smile. In Pattaya everybody smile to you (your wallet of course not your face) all the time, So what about Rio? And I am talking generally not just bars and clubs.

Good question. I don't remember. Probably not as much as Thailand but the girls always smile big for photos.

[Daddy07]

On January I will be one week in Thailand. I know already Bangkok but have never been in Pattaya before.

From the reports it seems to be the better place for mongering. Cheaper girls and more pretty. Is it correct? What would you recommend?

Yep, Pattaya hands down. I wouldn't say the girls are prettier there but the action is more concentrated and convenient for mongering.

[Hallodri Love]

On January I will be one week in Thailand. I know already Bangkok but have never been in Pattaya before.

From the reports it seems to be the better place for mongering. Cheaper girls and more pretty. Is it correct? What would you recommend?

[Mr Enternational]

I have been to Rio de Janeiro, Brazil many times over the last 6 years and I thought that it was heaven on earth. I have always thought about going to Asia (either LOS or PI) but had heard some bad things from guys that had been there. Finally this year I bit the bullet and went out of my comfort zone and booked a trip to Thailand. I had a hard time at first because I was solo and the rules here seem to be different than Brazil but by the end of my week I was loving this place and already trying to figure out when I can come back.

I try to tell the old Rio crew to venture out to Thailand but like you said most are afraid to leave the comfort zone. They also complain about the flight being too long. But I tell them that once they get there and see what is in store they will never again care about the flight.

I pulled my first beer bar girl a few nights into the trip. She wanted 1500 but I managed to get her out for 1200+300. We went to my hotel and she was very shy. She came out of the shower and into bed with a towel on. When I asked her to "smoke" (BJ) she flat out refused saying she did not do that. It took me at least a half hour to get her to kiss me.

The only time I have ever went with a bar girl I had that exact same experience. She actually came to the hotel after work so I would not have to pay a bar fine. I offered her the usual 1000 baht that I give FL for LT. She had the nerve to ask me if I wanted her to come again when she got off work. I know you do not do FL, but I have never had those types of problems with them.

7) Numbers. Are there hundreds of go gos? Thousands of beer bars? I don't know. It seemed that way. And all in walking distance to each other. Rio has about 8 main termas. 2-3 main freelance bars, and dozens of low level termas that I have never been to because I like quality in my vacation. Plus in Rio these venues are spread out and require transportation to reach.

If you look in the Rio thread you will see people are always looking for a replacement for the FL disco Help that was closed down by the government in January. Well if they would just go to Pattaya they would see there are about 10 Helps and the girls there for less than 1/3 of the minimum a Help girl would accept. Also in Pattaya you can rent a scooter for US$5/day. It beats taking the bus and the train around all over Rio or even worse the amount some guys spend on taxis there.

8) Niceness. The Thai girls were truly nice and aimed to please in every way only limited by their shyness. A 20 baht tip usually brought a big smile and a wai. As of late the Rio girls have gotten spoiled a bit.

Of course. These days the Rio girls want to be the boss and call the shots when you are the one paying them. A Thai girl will prepare your food for you when it arrives AND feed it to you before she even looks at hers.

No termas. This is only a minor criticism because most of the elements of a termas are available. Go gos replace the groping. Devil's Den replaces the sexy incall. ST and Soi 6 (which I never did so I can only speculate) replace the aspect of a quick shot.

You didn't mention the soapies so I assume you did not try them. Although I stay away from them it is the closest thing you will get at 1/3 of the price. But as everything else groping is not included because they are actually behind a glass wall for you to pick them out.

4) Shyness. Sometimes shyness can be cute but I did miss the open sexuality of the Brasileiras. Almost every one of them is a gamer from the start. They dance sexy, dress sexy, fuck sexy, and genuinely seem to enjoy their jobs. Their word for bikini is the same as dental floss. I took a sexy Thai girl to the beach one day and she wore a suit that had a skirt on it like she was a fat old woman.

Whenever I go to the beach with a Thai girl they usually wear shorts and a t-shirt. They rarely leave from under the umbrella because 1) they think it is very hot and 2) they do not want to get darker.

5) Performance. Continuing #4, in Rio anal and CIM are commonplace. They also give as good as they get. Rio girls are masters at combining GFE with PSE. The only girls I met that would entertain anal and CIM were from Devil's Den. Performance-wise too the DD girls were close to the Brazilian standard.

It is rather rare to get anal from a Thai girl. I would direct you to PI but I think most of the girls who do it there are FL.

5) Smallness. I had a few girls complaining that I was too large and was hurting them. I even let one girl go early (with a discount of course) because she was grimacing the entire time we were screwing. She was about 4 foot 10 and 90 pounds. After her though I got a tube of KY and no one complained after that so hopefully I solved the problem.

I used to run into this same problem. I have even gotten a couple of freebies because the girl did not want to stay and endure it. I have never had this problem from a disco FL though.

8) Double pricing. I know locals often get a discount in many places but Thailand is the first place I have been that actually codifies it. I went with a girl to Lucifer's one night and they actually have 2 menus. Local's beer cost 90. Farang's 170. 170 is outrageous for a beer in the US let alone Thailand. I won't be going back there or at least I won't drink. A girl alerted me to this and she wanted to get her own beer but since they saw her with me they charged her the 170. Then they wanted a tip on top of that too.

Whenever I am in Lucifer or Mixx and I want to buy a friend a drink I always give them the money to buy it as well. It is really outrageous seeing that the same beer will cost you 30 baht across the street at 7-11. They don't pester you as much to buy drinks as they did before. If I do decide to drink though then I will just buy one and nurse it until I decide who I am going to take home with me.

9) Racial variety. In Rio you can get white, black, Indian in every combination and even the occasional half-Japanese. In Pattaya it was either Asian or overpriced Uzbek.

IMHO the racial variety is as sparse as it is in Rio. There are Thais from Chinese decent, Cambodian Thais, darker Thais from Issan. There are big differences to me.

Bottom line, will I go back to Pattaya? Hell yea. Will I go back to Rio? Only on someone else's dime or if the Real collapses which is unlikely before the 2014 Olympics and 2016 World Cup.

I used to go to Rio every month and highly recommended it. Now I tell people not to waste their time or money if they are going for mongering. The good old days are over there and greener pastures are in Thailand.

[Dan7373]

....5) Smallness. I had a few girls complaining that I was too large and was hurting them. I even let one girl go early (with a discount of course) because she was grimacing the entire time we were screwing. She was about 4 foot 10 and 90 pounds. After her though I got a tube of KY and no one complained after that so hopefully I solved the problem.

Latest sex research has found that using lubricants is the way to go, if you want to make it pleasant for the lady. And using plenty of lube is good for any lady, regardless of her size.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-see120310.php

I found from my own experience that using condoms without plenty of lube can be dangerous in terms of condom tearing and possible injury for the lady. Dry rubber is even worse than dry skin, when it comes to friction.

[Shansawy]

Very Interesting report, And really professional analysis.

But I have one question. The smile. In Pattaya everybody smile to you (your wallet of course not your face) all the time, So what about Rio? And I am talking generally not just bars and clubs.

My thoughts about why it is better than Rio:

Things worse than Rio:

Bottom line, will I go back to Pattaya? Hell yea.

Will I go back to Rio? Only on someone else's dime or if the Real collapses which is unlikely before the 2014 Olympics and 2016 World Cup.

[Edward M]

I have been to Rio de Janeiro, Brazil many times over the last 6 years and I thought that it was heaven on earth. I loved the food, the termas, taking girls home, etc and when I first went there it was fairly cheap ($40 / termas session, $60 take home). Over the years though Rio has had massive inflation and the dollar has collapsed against their currency. For example 60 minutes at 4x4 went from R150 to R240 and the dollar went from 3. 15 to 1. 65 so in US$ prices have basically tripled from $47 to $145. I have always thought about going to Asia (either LOS or PI) but had heard some bad things from guys that had been there. Girls too shy, girls too small, no variety in ethnic types, flight too long, discrimination against farangs, etc. I also had spent a lot of time and money teaching myself Portuguese and did not know if I wanted to make the effort to learn another language (or languages since the providers in Asia tend to come from the provinces with their own dialects different from Thai or Tagalog).

Finally this year I bit the bullet and went out of my comfort zone and booked a trip to Thailand. I had a hard time at first because I was solo and the rules here seem to be different than Brazil but by the end of my week I was loving this place and already trying to figure out when I can come back.

I took girls from Walking Street beer bars, Walking Street go gos, and Soi 13/2 go gos. I also made a trip to Devil's Den. Other than DD I exclusively went LT. The beer bars are an interesting phenomenom to me. I like the fact that basically everyone is available. I had often wanted to bang waitresses, counter girls, etc in the Rio termas but that was not allowed. Taking girls home from termas was also not allowed although often done in secret. It was refreshing to go to the Thai system that is basically designed for takeout.

Like I said I had some issues in the first few days. I would go to a go go and try to talk to a girl and few flat out refused saying "I have period!" I estimate the 40% of the girls I spoke to those first few days had their period. Obviously some of them were lying but I could not figure out what the problem was. In all my trips to Mexico and Brazil I never had any sort of rejection like that at all. As it happened in order to find a taker I had to bar-hop to 3 or 4 bars before I found a mutually compatible girl. I also found it frustrating that when I took a girl they did not want to go straight back to get down to business but they wanted to go to the disco or another bar first to have a few drinks. Pricing was reasonable though. The go go bar fine was either 500 or 600 and the girls went LT for 1500-2000. I had thought that the girl fee was totally up to she and the client but some bars actually had a piece of paper with the girl fee written on it. 2000 for ST and 3000 for LT, for example but I found that I could just say to the girl or mamasan,"No. That is too much," and get significantly less.

I also got some frustration with pictures. I would ask girls if it was ok for me to take some. Some allowed naked shots with face, one allowed an underwear shot, some clothed. That was the girls that I took home. In the bars, however, one go go and one beer bar girl refused to talk to me any longer once I brought up the subject. Note I assured them no internet (sorry fellas) and even offered that they could leave their face out or remained clothed but the deal was off at this point.

I pulled my first beer bar girl a few nights into the trip. It was not from one of the screaming beer bars that seem designed for bar fines but a restaurant where they did not explicitly advertise that they wanted barfines. She wanted 1500 but I managed to get her out for 1200+300. We went to my hotel and she was very shy. She came out of the shower and into bed with a towel on. When I asked her to "smoke" (BJ) she flat out refused saying she did not do that. It took me at least a half hour to get her to kiss me. However once we got going it was very nice. We got off a session and then fell asleep. She cuddled very tight and did not mind me seeing her naked now even when we pulled off the blanket when it got too hot. We woke up in the morning and had round 2. I even got her to do a little female superior in that round. We laid around cuddling for a while and then did round 3. I was feeling very good. When she finally left at 4PM she asked for 1300. I happily gave it to her and considered giving her her initial offer of 1500 but she was very happy with the 1300.

To straighten myself out a bit I went to Devil's Den one day. That place was pretty good although pricey for Pattaya at 3600 for 2 girls and 90 minutes. This is actually significantly less than the price for 1 girl for 40 minutes in a Rio termas. It was the closest thing that I could find like a Rio termas although it was missing the element of being able to mingle with and feel up the girls for an hour or so before a session. I took 2 girls for a session and they were excellent. No shyness at all, both did anal, lesbian show, CIM, load swapping, etc. DD has a nice set-up. Although it is not an every day place for me I will definitely go back as maybe a once or twice per trip luxury.

My trip improved after the DD visit. When I went to the beer bars and go gos the girls seemed to start liking me and I was able to get some good sessions to finish the week. I paid between 1200 and 1500 + 300 barfine for beer bar girls and between 1500 and 2000 + 500-600 barfine for go gos with the closer to Walking Street ones getting more. It was some pretty good GFE and they usually stayed until quite late in the afternoon. I also starting picking them up later so there was less ability to bar-hop.

Overall by the end of my trip I was in a good groove and enjoying the place.

My thoughts about why it is better than Rio:

1) Price. Hotels a third the price of Rio apartments. Girls half the price or less.

2) LT option. Rio has no real LT option. Termas and agencies are basically ST. To get LT you have to get freelancers. I don't like freelancers. I like to have some accountability and some health checks.

3) Safety. See #2. Also, the streets were full of people 24 hours per day and walking distances less. I never felt in danger. Even the stray dogs were polite. Rio, however, sometimes resembles a war zone. Muggings and carjackings are common. Petty thievery, especially on the beach, is rampant. There have been several publicized hostage situations in Copacana hotels, a restaurant, and on buses in the last few years.

4) Go gos. These were great. Although I missed the groping ability of termas the go gos were a close second. Buy a girl a drink and you can grope her all you want. I had some that refused to leave me alone after one drink. I had to send forcefully send them away. Note I came into this bar with another girl so they knew they weren't going to be barfined. These were just having fun, giving me lap dances, letting me feel them up, etc for 20 minutes or more all for a 110 baht lady drink.

5) Beer bars. A nice cheap alternative to go gos. The girls were only slightly less attractive than go gos but much shyer. Sometimes shy is nice.

6) Along with #5 it is nice that almost everyone is available.

7) Numbers. Are there hundreds of go gos? Thousands of beer bars? I don't know. It seemed that way. And all in walking distance to each other. Rio has about 8 main termas. 2-3 main freelance bars, and dozens of low level termas that I have never been to because I like quality in my vacation. Plus in Rio these venues are spread out and require transportation to reach.

8) Niceness. The Thai girls were truly nice and aimed to please in every way only limited by their shyness. A 20 baht tip usually brought a big smile and a wai. As of late the Rio girls have gotten spoiled a bit.

9) No shirtless Brazilians. That is the biggest annoyance in the biggest termas in Rio. 4x4. It is full of loud, drunk Brazilians walking around with their robes down. I do not go to a termas to be rubbed up on by shirtless men. There seems to be more space in the go gos too and people where regular clothes.

10) Very few beggars. Copacabana is full of beggars.

11) Although I do find the double pricing annoying no one short-changed me that I am aware of. That happens all the time in Rio. In fact the last Brazilian I dealt with in the USA short-changed me $1 as well. And this was after we had a long conversation entirely in Portuguese.

Things worse than Rio:

1) No termas. This is only a minor criticism because most of the elements of a termas are available. Go gos replace the groping. Devil's Den replaces the sexy incall. ST and Soi 6 (which I never did so I can only speculate) replace the aspect of a quick shot.

2) Territoriality. Most of the bars are small. When I hang around a small bar the girls grow on me. Once I pulled a girl from a bar her friends would often refuse to go with me. The opposite usually happens in Rio. Girls will recommend their friends, sisters, cousins, etc. This is also a minor issue as well since there are so many bars and it was not universal. Sometimes girls did recommend their friends or friends wanted to have me barfine them. This problem was the biggest in the restaurant where I got the very shy girl. Unfortunately the next day a VERY attractive friend of hers showed up and flat out refused me out of respect for her friend.

3)"Period". Early on I got a lot of refusals from girls on their "period". This was not an issue later in the trip though. I think the girls were already spoken for or had other issues or maybe even had their period. I was able to mitigate this later on by not just picking girls by their appearance but by how they reacted to me and by talking to the mamasans. In Rio, however, you can do quite well picking girls by their appearance because mostly they are trying to maximize their clientelle and duds are rare.

4) Shyness. Sometimes shyness can be cute but I did miss the open sexuality of the Brasileiras. Almost every one of them is a gamer from the start. They dance sexy, dress sexy, fuck sexy, and genuinely seem to enjoy their jobs. Their word for bikini is the same as dental floss. I took a sexy Thai girl to the beach one day and she wore a suit that had a skirt on it like she was a fat old woman.

5) Performance. Continuing #4, in Rio anal and CIM are commonplace. They also give as good as they get. Rio girls are masters at combining GFE with PSE. The only girls I met that would entertain anal and CIM were from Devil's Den. Performance-wise too the DD girls were close to the Brazilian standard.

5) Smallness. I had a few girls complaining that I was too large and was hurting them. I even let one girl go early (with a discount of course) because she was grimacing the entire time we were screwing. She was about 4 foot 10 and 90 pounds. After her though I got a tube of KY and no one complained after that so hopefully I solved the problem.

6) Stickiness. A few times I would call a girl over and buy her a drink but then on closer inspection I decided not to take her but another girl in the bar. Sometimes it was very tough to get the first girl to go away. Some demanded another drink or tip. Rio girls usually take this rejection better and go away without a fuss.

7) Bar hopping. Since the bars are small I often had to hit a few bars to find a mutually compatible girl. I assume that it is frowned upon to enter a bar and not order a drink so I always did. I do not like to drink much when I am mongering but since draft beer is cheaper than water I drank the beer. Hitting several bars this can add up monetarily and physically.

8) Double pricing. I know locals often get a discount in many places but Thailand is the first place I have been that actually codifies it. I went with a girl to Lucifer's one night and they actually have 2 menus. Local's beer cost 90. Farang's 170. 170 is outrageous for a beer in the US let alone Thailand. I won't be going back there or at least I won't drink. A girl alerted me to this and she wanted to get her own beer but since they saw her with me they charged her the 170. Then they wanted a tip on top of that too.

9) Racial variety. In Rio you can get white, black, Indian in every combination and even the occasional half-Japanese. In Pattaya it was either Asian or overpriced Uzbek.

10) Ladyboys. Mostly they kept away but occasionally they were annoying.

11) Indian tailors. No. I do not want to buy a suit. Stop asking me.

Bottom line, will I go back to Pattaya? Hell yea.

Will I go back to Rio? Only on someone else's dime or if the Real collapses which is unlikely before the 2014 Olympics and 2016 World Cup.

[Fun And Sun]

1. I don't know anyone who would want to fuck between dives. Usually divers want to relax a bit and eat something.

2. All the diving instructors I have seen in Pattaya are male.

3. If there was a female instructor, as much as it costs for an instructors certification I don't think she would be the type to put random dicks into her mouth during a dive.

4. Would you want to take a random girl with you and pay the 13, 000 or so baht and spend 3 days to have her certified an open water diver?

5. Say if you did happen to do #4 then the next day or whenever for the actual act you would have to rent equipment. You would not have to actually take a boat. You could do a shore dive. However, the water around Pattaya is not at all clear so you would need transportation to another part of the coast or maybe do it from Koh Larn island.

6. Have you ever tried to fuck in the ocean? I have successfully done it a couple of times with only swim trunks on. It is a job in itself trying to get and keep a hard dick in the ocean then to have to stay coupled while waves are rolling. I would not dare try it wearing equipment on the ocean floor. (Besides most people wear wet suits.)

7. I won't even go into underwater photography or cinematography.

Dude, you are taking my post too literally. What I am asking for is if anyone knows a dive shop in Patts that caters mainly to mongerers and is cool with you taking a girl with you to play with on the boat ride out, decompression, and boat ride back.

I have done loads of diving, and I agree that when you first come out of the water what you want to do is sit down and do nothing, then eat and drink something, but personally I find that decompression time gets a bit boring after I have had my lunch and then you have BS conversations to try to pass the time until it is time to get back in the water again. That time could be put to better use I think, but if someone wants to sit around and listen to boring stories about how some fat diver almost got trapped in a wreck while diving of Gallipoli instead of enjoying a BJ,"up to you mister".

I have fucked in the ocean, but not with my head under water with or without scuba gear. The sex is not all that good, but it is sort of funny trying to hide it from the people that are swimming around you. They sort of know, but not really, maybe you are just grinding on each other. Underwater sex needs to be no condom though, so not in my opinion an activity to do in Patts but something you do with your GF from back home. (Please no responses about transmission probabilities from vaginal sex or how a daily milkshake of bleach will protect you, if that is what you want to do,"up to you mister".)

Don't have any desire for a 40 feet underwater coral reef fuck session with a bar girl, just asking if anyone knows about a cool dive shop.

[Member #4698]

Night 1 & 2
Maybe expensive by Thai standards but I certainly felt like I got my money's worth and had a great time before heading to Bangkok for some sightseeing and work.

That's what counts. Great report Bret.

[BMz69]

Night 2

After Cake left, Bang joined me about 11am for a 24-hour session (7, 000 BHT). We did a couple of rounds in the afternoon and then decided to have her show me the town. We found a place to eat and we met up with a friend of hers, who was also with a client. After eating, we hit a few beer bars on Soi 7 & 8 where she claimed she used to work and asked me occasionally to buy some drinks for a friend of hers.

The four of us then took a Songthaew to Walking Street for some time at a couple of GoGo bars and just walking around. I was ready to head back so we grabbed another Songthaew back to our hotel for a couple of more rounds including a visit to Greece.

I crashed and woke up around 5am for another round – she wasn't too happy about this round as she had only fallen asleep a little earlier as we were on the noisy bar side of the Tim hotel. It hadn't bothered me but then I can fall asleep with noise.

I managed a final round before we got some food at the great breakfast buffet and then she left. Maybe expensive by Thai standards but I certainly felt like I got my money's worth and had a great time before heading to Bangkok for some sightseeing and work.

[BMz69]

I was in Pattaya earlier this year and remiss in posting my report. This was my first time in Thailand and first time mongering. I had less than a month to plan the trip so and was new to the forum so I took the easy (but more expensive) way by booking a couple of girls from Devil's Den.

I used their internet form to request Cake for an overnight (3, 500 BHT) and Rose the following 24hrs (7, 000 BHT). I wanted Cake for a "break-in" experience following a long trip and Rose had some great reviews. Unfortunately Rose was unavailable (she's gone from their site now) and I chose Bang instead based on her profile.

I also asked them to quote me have a driver and Cake pick me up at the airport given I was arriving at midnight, Cake was on the clock starting at 10pm, a beautiful welcome would be great, we could spend some time together during the long drive, and I wouldn't have to wait for her to arrive after checking in. I believe they quoted me 1, 800 BHT for the driver to pick Cake up in Pattaya, get me at BKK, and take us back to Pattaya (compared to the standard one-way 1, 200 BHT taxi fare). Seemed like a good deal to me for just an extra $20.

Night 1

Cake was very reserved in the car and I wasn't sure if that was because the driver was there. The next day, Bang told me that Cake was very nervous because this was her first airport pickup. So I'm not sure how the drive might work with someone else but we just cuddled and did some light touching.

We checked into the Tim Boutique together without incident (I set up my reservation for two people) and had a couple of rounds before crashing. We had one more round in the morning before she had to leave. Overall, she is attractive (as all DD girls) but definitely more nurturing and reserved, which is how she was described on their site reviews. In hindsight, perhaps I should have gotten someone a little more aggressive but I thought I would want her personality my first night.