Pattaya Reports

[RacShack]

I really appreciate the Everything Pattaya youtube channel which is generally a great source of information and wry commentary, but this thing where he's taking his camera into the Soi Bongkot GC's during working hours is a recipe for disaster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIwcpP1GV1Q

I've been in this very club leaning against that very bar with my dick in a girls hand fairly wasted at 3 pm. Not sure I wan't my face on youtube in that setting. Same reason I avoid the Beer Bars run by all those youtubers like Mr Egg and the Assienda guy.

Hi bud, did I miss something or watch wrong video? Where at any point do you see any customers in video, if so I agree that's pushing it! But I not see and I think he's just providing good valuable information!

[Goatscrot]

I really appreciate the Everything Pattaya youtube channel which is generally a great source of information and wry commentary, but this thing where he's taking his camera into the Soi Bongkot GC's during working hours is a recipe for disaster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIwcpP1GV1Q

I've been in this very club leaning against that very bar with my dick in a girls hand fairly wasted at 3 pm. Not sure I wan't my face on youtube in that setting. Same reason I avoid the Beer Bars run by all those youtubers like Mr Egg and the Assienda guy.

On my very first trip to Bangkok in July of 1999 I had a digital camera with me on soi cowboy one evening. I was told by numerous punters not to take any pictures of the bars the street or any of the people. I think that's a great rule.

[RakSopheni]

I really appreciate the Everything Pattaya youtube channel which is generally a great source of information and wry commentary, but this thing where he's taking his camera into the Soi Bongkot GC's during working hours is a recipe for disaster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIwcpP1GV1Q

I've been in this very club leaning against that very bar with my dick in a girls hand fairly wasted at 3 pm. Not sure I wan't my face on youtube in that setting. Same reason I avoid the Beer Bars run by all those youtubers like Mr Egg and the Assienda guy.

[Goatscrot]

Bangkok is a drain on me. Hot, crowded, smelly and just overwhelming. I find myself moody and insufferable there for these reasons. Pattaya on the other hand is cooler, chill and more my style. The logistics of the two cities is where Pattaya truly shines. Getting around in Bangkok takes some time and effort and having to get through crowds whereas Pattaya you simply stay on the Baht bus route and you have everything easily accessible without crowds and problems.

Exactly the opposite here. I find Pattaya depressing with all the old alcoholics and guys who haven't seen a stitch of exercise in the last 20 years walking around in singlets. And of course this is just the westerners, in addition you have some of the most unpleasant Asian tourists you could hope to find. Also overall the choice of females is much less desirable to my eye being mainly darker more rustic gals. I find Patters at incredibly depressing. When I first moved here 20 plus years ago it was charmingly sleazy, now just ugh to my eyes.

Bangkok on the other hand is a truly international City with world class restaurants, lots of activities, and amazingly beautiful women everywhere. And if you stay out of the Go-Go bars and fish in the same pond the local guys do you can find some real beauties.

[Chimpo Chinn]

I generally respect your opinions Mr Chinn so please articulate further.

My take has always been that Bangkok is more expensive, much harder to secure BBFS, and there are less mongering options and variety of girls. Also it's more congested and harder to relax.

On the upside there are more high end girls that are legitimately hot, but they will cost you.

I usually skip Bangkok. Should I re-consider and why?

You should be YOU.

Different strokes for different folks really does apply here.

[EihTooms]

If the negotiated price is 1500 or greater I will secure explicit BBFS agreement or willingness to do "anything". If it's 1000 I will go with the flow. I've never had a girl deny me a BBBJ with COF or CIM so its usually not a total loss. I mean try getting a hot and slender 19 year old girl in USA to blow you and let you cum in her mouth for $28 US.

Yes, I will go as high as 2,000 baht before I secure an explicit agreement for BBFS and am fine with "go with the flow" for 1500 baht or less. However, that is for FLs in Bangkok, not Pattaya.

In Pattaya I so rarely see and meet a FL that I would pay as much as 1000 for, my whole point in asking them for an upfront agreement for BBFS is really to justify spending any time and money on one at all. As it happens, none of the rare Pattaya FLs I have considered paying as much as 1000 baht for has said Yes upfront anyway. LOL. And, to be more accurate about it, many times we don't even get to the money part before the answer is "No, not now, not ever, not for any amount of money" kind of thing.

Then, switching to "go with the flow" in Pattaya with those FLs has not improved my results either. But, sure enough, taking that approach did indeed waste my time and money as expected.

However, my sampling would only be 10-15 "go with the flow" Pattaya FLs over the past 10 years or so.

Now, in the case of go-go bars where the addition of a barfine will most certainly push the cost at or above 2,000 baht, I will almost always secure an upfront agreement for BBFS. And, predictably, my success results are much better; one Pattaya go-go girl agreed upfront to it with me about 6 years ago (I estimate that to be about a 5% success rate per Pattaya go-go girls asked) and hundreds of Bangkok go-go girls have agreed to it and still do quite regularly (I estimate that to be about a 60% success rate per Bangkok go-go girls asked).

[LocalExplorer]

Working girls don't have time for all that bullshit. No, they're not going to be poring over your profile and cautiously crafting elaborate responses, considering whether you already answered the routine casual questions. They won't contact you unsolicited based on a Line ID from your online profile either, if you don't send them a message. Most of them have hundreds of leads and misleads, but not enough customers with money in hand, right now.

For the working girls, the shorter the better.

"I'm in Pattaya now. Looking for ST. My Line ID is xyz, what's your Line ID?"

If you want to be direct, use "Is 1000 baht for ST ok?" for the 2nd sentence. I get responses to this 2/3 of the time from profiles in Pattaya.

For non-working girls, short and sweet works well too, but maybe a little more sweet. All they look at is the picture anyway. Don't write an essay. Obviously, success rate is lower if you aren't paying.

I don't know when was the last time you were in Pattaya, but in early August (post-COVID and low season), the ladies had all the time in the world. Most girls got very few customers and were bored to death.

I got replies to all my messages on TF, I have been contacted multiple times unsolicited, often with the opening line "I do ST" or "I do massage in customer's room". One even gave the price in the first message (she was ugly but cheap, good strategy). About 30 girls from Pattaya liked my profile, and the ones I contacted replied to my inquires pretty patiently, though sometimes with a delay. They had no problem discussing stuff on TF, though Line is more reliable.

Just make sure to put up a picture, you can distort it severely by using filters (beyond recognition of the face). It's just so the girl knows you're not Quasimodo's uglier twin brother. I'm neither hot nor young, although most likely I'm somewhat thinner and somewhat younger than the average punter.

[CaliGuy33]

I generally respect your opinions Mr Chinn so please articulate further.

My take has always been that Bangkok is more expensive, much harder to secure BBFS, and there are less mongering options and variety of girls. Also it's more congested and harder to relax.

On the upside there are more high end girls that are legitimately hot, but they will cost you.

I usually skip Bangkok. Should I re-consider and why?

Bangkok is a drain on me. Hot, crowded, smelly and just overwhelming. I find myself moody and insufferable there for these reasons. Pattaya on the other hand is cooler, chill and more my style. The logistics of the two cities is where Pattaya truly shines. Getting around in Bangkok takes some time and effort and having to get through crowds whereas Pattaya you simply stay on the Baht bus route and you have everything easily accessible without crowds and problems.

[Crocodilexp]

Communication: most of the women who initially showed interest in me did not respond to my follow up message. Most women: did not read my profile, asked redundant questions that my profile clearly answers, are managing multiple men at one time, use google translate (I often wondered why they took so long to respond).

"Hello, I'm Ron Jeremy. I'm in pattaya to meet new friends. I read your profile but what are you looking for here? BF? Sponsor? Friends and customers? Most of the time I would get a response. I put my LINE ID in my profile since I was a standard member but I never received messages from women.

Working girls don't have time for all that bullshit. No, they're not going to be poring over your profile and cautiously crafting elaborate responses, considering whether you already answered the routine casual questions. They won't contact you unsolicited based on a Line ID from your online profile either, if you don't send them a message. Most of them have hundreds of leads and misleads, but not enough customers with money in hand, right now.

For the working girls, the shorter the better.

"I'm in Pattaya now. Looking for ST. My Line ID is xyz, what's your Line ID?"

If you want to be direct, use "Is 1000 baht for ST ok?" for the 2nd sentence. I get responses to this 2/3 of the time from profiles in Pattaya.

For non-working girls, short and sweet works well too, but maybe a little more sweet. All they look at is the picture anyway. Don't write an essay. Obviously, success rate is lower if you aren't paying.

[RakSopheni]

This is why a simple upfront negotiation and agreement for BBFS is by far the better way for me to go. If she says Yes, great. We will have memorable and wonderful sex together (well, I will), the chances of her not playing any games about doing what I need to get me off is very high and she will make some money.

If the negotiated price is 1500 or greater I will secure explicit BBFS agreement or willingness to do "anything". If it's 1000 I will go with the flow. I've never had a girl deny me a BBBJ with COF or CIM so its usually not a total loss. I mean try getting a hot and slender 19 year old girl in USA to blow you and let you cum in her mouth for $28 US.

[RakSopheni]

Just an Opinion.

No need to get Panties all tied up in knots.

I prefer Bangkok over Pattaya 55-1. Meaning for every 55 trips to Bangkok one to Pattaya is appropriate.

I generally respect your opinions Mr Chinn so please articulate further.

My take has always been that Bangkok is more expensive, much harder to secure BBFS, and there are less mongering options and variety of girls. Also it's more congested and harder to relax.

On the upside there are more high end girls that are legitimately hot, but they will cost you.

I usually skip Bangkok. Should I re-consider and why?

[Chimpo Chinn]

Was this for everyone who isn't a regular or targeted at the usual guys who get asked an entry fees?

The Usuals. The only group who Tourist Authority targeted who actually showed up in Droves.

[Banana Boi]

I saw money being Exchanged. Shakedown. You want go in 100 baht surcharge Sir.

Was this for everyone who isn't a regular or targeted at the usual guys who get asked an entry fees?

[EihTooms]

...
But what most frequently happens is the girl asks you "do you have a condom?" in an assertive tone. I have said "no" 2 or 3 times, and then it's straight to BB.
I think the question usually means: "I really prefer we use a condom, but if you don't want to, that's fine".

Absolutely true in my experience as well with some of the girls I have chosen to take the "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" approach with and have not negotiated bareback sex upfront.

But only in Bangkok. And even there the "go with the flow" approach goes that easily and smoothly for me only about 15-20% of the time. It has never gone that smoothly and easily with the several girls I've taken and chosen that approach with in Pattaya over the past 10 years though. If it happened that easily and smoothly for me in Bangkok and Pattaya every time or even most of the time I choose the "go with the flow" approach in Bangkok and Pattaya, I'd probably never bother to negotiate bareback sex upfront again.

However, as you further report:

They seem to have a lot of stories to support their preference of condoms, stories they tell me even after I choose the condom (mainly about the fear of getting pregnant and about pills not working properly; not about STDs). CIP was never discussed as a separate subject.

Yes. Ah, now we're in the realm of just some of what happens far more often when I choose the "go with the flow" approach and don't negotiate bareback sex upfront, especially in Pattaya.

Typically, those stories are just the beginning. Then follows the Safety First lecture. Then the horror stories about what happened to this or that friend of a friend's cousin who didn't use a condom every time. Then possibly a new price negotiation. And that is not counting the many times the girl didn't just try to talk talk talk talk and talk me out of ever considering going bareback with anyone else for the rest of my life but also put her hand over her pussy and rolled off the bed at the point of near penetration. No joke. That has happened many, many times.

All of which is enough of a deal and buzz killer for me that my mind, interest in fucking the girl and erection left the room sometime during the first minute of her first anti bareback sex anecdote.

Also in my experience, once the girl's resistance to bareback sex with me goes beyond that first smooth and easy condom or no condom option exchange I quoted from your report above, it is almost certain she will only grudgingly go along with it at best anyway. And an open hole is not even close to all it takes for me to enjoy and finish an act of coitus.

In my case I need the girl to reach around and engage in a bit of gentle ball tickling if I'm going finish in regular sex. A minor request, imo. But when one of those girls who grudgingly goes along with bareback sex with me after the horror stories and Safety First lecture figures out that is the additional thing I need to get me off, she will stop doing that additional thing to make sure I don't finish. Almost guaranteed.

The game set match then is she has sure enough agreed to bareback sex with me so I have no standing to pay less than any reneogitated amount for the pleasure but she also managed to make sure I didn't finish anyway. LOL.

This is why a simple upfront negotiation and agreement for BBFS is by far the better way for me to go. If she says Yes, great. We will have memorable and wonderful sex together (well, I will), the chances of her not playing any games about doing what I need to get me off is very high and she will make some money.

If she says No, that's fine too. She very very likely saved me from enduring my 5,000th Safety First lecture and there is always another girl in the queue who will have Real Sex with me without a hassle and earn a generous fee for it.

[Explorer8939]

I use messaging to work the logistics with ladies, what day they are coming, what time, what we are going to do, etc. I don't spend much time chatting about other things.

Sometimes a lady will ping me to say "good morning ". But if I respond, she will continue to chat. After about 5 minutes, she will mention that she has no money. Maybe because she just sent her last baht to her family, or it rained last night, so no customers.

If they try that, I don't respond. I don't say no, I just stop responding.

Rule #1 in Pattaya: Ladies give their boyfriend money, and take from customers.