Pattaya Reports

[Mr Enternational]

I think Mr E. Is fine with people buying lady drinks to socialize and have fun. However, he believes people are buying lady drinks for the wrong reason. They think that buying more LD's will improve their chance to barfine the girl that they like.

It was not my belief, but what I gathered from SL's reports. Was I wording myself wrong? How were you able to get what I was saying, but many others understood it as I was saying not to buy drinks at all?

I even mentioned that I would once in a while buy a drink AFTER the chick showed me what she was about or when I was having fun with her. I would not just walk in and say I have to buy a drink for that pretty girl over there, then she might like me and let me barfine her as it seems SL and Sam were doing in several cases.

It is like walking onto a car lot giving a non-refundable down-payment only to be told this car is not for sale. Walk in, do a quick test drive, then put some money down when you realize this car will fulfill my needs. Don't throw money at it hoping it will change from not for sale to for sale, when you can find that out in the beginning by simply asking.

If a lady says no, some people think that revisiting and buying many more Lady drinks, will change her mind. Mr E. Is saying that this is usually unsuccessful.

Not one time did he say we finally bought enough drinks and the girls decided to let us pay them for sex instead of rejecting us.

The last reports are coming from people that enjoy paying ladydrinks instead of fucking the girls,.

Exactly.. And there is nothing wrong with that. It is only something wrong with believing the more drinks you buy the chick will decide to go with you when you still have to pay her anyway. If she is going then she is going from the beginning and not because of the 3 140 baht drinks you bought her (earning her what from 60 baht to 150 baht?) versus the 1000 baht barfine and 2500 baht you would have to pay her.

The cost of a lady drink is for the time they spend with you. I personally don't care what they drink or if they tip it on the ground.

For me I expect to get say 15 minutes of chat time

In most bars you don't have to buy a drink for 15 minutes of chat time. In some bars if there is no drink in front of the girl or if the glass is empty then the mamasan will make her move on no matter how much she wants to stay and chat.

[Explorer8939]

Every once in a while, I will spend a night with a Mamasan. The last one and I drank 3 bottles of wine, during which she explained about giving bargirls watered down drinks. Actually, I knew all that before, but I politely listened. She talked about code words the girls used when they didn't want to drink any more alcohol, how to mix Coke with soda so looks like Sangsom, watered down bottles of Tequila, etc.

[Paolo99]

Maybe buying drinks made some sense in the days when you could then take the girl to your hotel FOR THE WHOLE NIGHT. Since then the policy shifted from whole night to short time. Recently it has shifted again from short time to maybe not even that (no sex).

Not a big loss anyway, girls that were staying the whole night were basically sleeping the whole night. Most of the time it's better to have them out of your room and sleep alone after having fucked them twice in a two hours laps time.

As for your last sentence, I doubt it. The last reports are coming from people that enjoy paying ladydrinks instead of fucking the girls, I wouldn't take any conclusion based on these recent reports.

[Houston Player]

The cost of a lady drink is for the time they spend with you. I personally don't care what they drink or if they tip it on the ground.

For me I expect to get say 15 minutes of chat time so I can work out if the lady is worth buying another drink (or another 15 minutes).

If I am looking to barfine a girl I will know after 30 minutes (or 2 drinks) if she is worth being barfined or even if she can be barfined. I generally won't invest more than 2 or 3 drinks in this case. Total cost is probably $15, no big deal.

Some nights I don't really want to barfine a girl and may just be there to chill by myself or with fellow deviants. In this scenario I will probably buy 2 or 3 drinks per hour maybe spread over a few girls. If one girl happens to be entertaining enough to the point that everyone wants her to stay an hour or two I might tip her something like a few hundred or even a 1000 baht. I am paying for the entertainment value and if it costs $100 this is well within my means and represents value to me.

I know that everyone has different budgets and what represents value to them. There is no right and wrong.

Exactly the way I normally do it. I don't barfine that often anymore because frankly I can get laid anytime I want from my regulars with which I'm guaranteed the service I expect. I also don't normally barfine if I drink too much. I normally go out to go-go bars with my friends on Tuesday and Friday evenings every week and it's mostly to drink and have fun, I always buy lady drinks, I can drink alone at home. If a lady new or already a friend is really turning me on and agrees to my service requests I will either barfine her or have her come over after work. With the bars closing early it doesn't make sense to pay a barfine at 10:30 when the bar closes at 11:00.

We're expats and I already know many of the ladies and even if I don't I'm well known in the bar and she can find out about me from her friends in the bar or Mama. I don't have a girlfriend and I don't want one. However I do have many lady friends some work in bars, some in shops or restaurants, some are students and some are just freelance.

Edited to add that I live in Bangkok and what I described above I do in Bangkok. I was responding to the buying of lady drinks but realized that this thread is in the Pattaya forum. I only visit Pattaya on occasion and not often with the Covid restrictions. The Covid rules are being enforced less and less in Bangkok but in Pattaya they're still being enforced.

[Member #4753]

The cost of a lady drink is for the time they spend with you. I personally don't care what they drink or if they tip it on the ground.

For me I expect to get say 15 minutes of chat time so I can work out if the lady is worth buying another drink (or another 15 minutes).

If I am looking to barfine a girl I will know after 30 minutes (or 2 drinks) if she is worth being barfined or even if she can be barfined. I generally won't invest more than 2 or 3 drinks in this case. Total cost is probably $15, no big deal.

Some nights I don't really want to barfine a girl and may just be there to chill by myself or with fellow deviants. In this scenario I will probably buy 2 or 3 drinks per hour maybe spread over a few girls. If one girl happens to be entertaining enough to the point that everyone wants her to stay an hour or two I might tip her something like a few hundred or even a 1000 baht. I am paying for the entertainment value and if it costs $100 this is well within my means and represents value to me.

I know that everyone has different budgets and what represents value to them. There is no right and wrong.

[Gonz0]

Mr E is saying don't get taken advantage of by the girls. The drinks are not even real drinks. He has not said don't buy drink either. I don't think he is trying belittle anyone. Maybe someone can give him a lesson on how to express his opinion better.

I am on autopilot a lot of time when mongering and just follow what others are doing. His posts do make me stop and think about some very obvious things but that does not mean I am just going to do it like he said.

I know some don't like his posts but there some think it's valuable.

Never been to Thailand and I am making some assumptions based on what I am reading here.

I think Mr E. Is fine with people buying lady drinks to socialize and have fun. However, he believes people are buying lady drinks for the wrong reason.

They think that buying more LD's will improve their chance to barfine the girl that they like.

He is saying that whether you buy 1 or 10 lady drinks, when you eventually get around to asking her to bar fine, the answer will be the same.

If a lady says no, some people think that revisiting and buying many more Lady drinks, will change her mind. Mr E. Is saying that this is usually unsuccessful.

I think the more that guys chase these girls using lady drinks, the less likely the girls will be to barfine. The girls will end up making enough money from lady drinks, so the plan of buying lots of lady drinks to get the barfine fails.

There is no one size fits all here. There are different types of girls that will respond to different approaches.

Some girls are experienced, straight out pros. They know their price. You pay she plays. She doesn't need to get to know you or feel comfortable with you. She is confident that she can look after herself. With these ladies I agree, lady drinks are optional.

But there are also girls, new to the scene. Not experienced at P4 P, who may be a bit hesitant. They might need to spend some time with you before they feel comfortable and agree to barfine. I can see how buying a few drinks and investing some time could pay off with these girls.

[Breadman]

I don't understand what's wrong about watered-down lady drinks.

I don't care if you buy the girl 5 watered down lady drinks, its your money you can pay for whatever you want. But when I buy a girl a ladydrink most likely I want to have sex with her and I want her to get buzzed and start to feel happy so her service is better when I do have sex with her. If I wanted a bar where I bought a girl drinks and couldn't have sex with her I would have stayed at home.

Once again for the misunderstanders: the whole business model of sex-services in TH has become a scam. Soon there will not even be lap-dances in TH. Before Covid half the bar in Soi Cowboy were run by Indians who imposed a no-sex policy on the girls.Maybe buying drinks made some sense in the days when you could then take the girl to your hotel FOR THE WHOLE NIGHT. Since then the policy shifted from whole night to short time. Recently it has shifted again from short time to maybe not even that (no sex).

Have to agree, the shift in 'you buy me 10 ladydrinks' and I'll consider if I will come with you to your hotel is killing what Thailand used to be. Think of your favorite bar back home and what you spend there. Now triple that amount to get the same amount of fun after high rollers started coming in and jacking up the prices.

[XXL]

Best revenge on the girl is to name the girl and bar who try to scam you. It usually isn't the bar's fault it's the girl asking for a watered down drink or even apple juice.

So the issue is about what crap is in the glass isn't it? My God how difficult it has become to avoid misunderstandings.

Once again for the misunderstanders: the whole business model of sex-services in TH has become a scam. Soon there will not even be lap-dances in TH. Before Covid half the bar in Soi Cowboy were run by Indians who imposed a no-sex policy on the girls.

Maybe buying drinks made some sense in the days when you could then take the girl to your hotel FOR THE WHOLE NIGHT. Since then the policy shifted from whole night to short time. Recently it has shifted again from short time to maybe not even that (no sex).

[Crocodilexp]

Now is not the time to buy lady drinks. Now is the time NOT to buy lady drinks, in order to starve those businesses of funds. Let them go to hell with their drinks scam.

I don't understand what's wrong about watered-down lady drinks. Why does it upset people so much that a bargirl who might get 10-20 of those every night is trying to avoid becoming an alcoholic? As a punter, I'd sure be upset if my own drink was weak, but I'm not drinking the lady drink anyway.

Non-alcoholic lady drinks aren't saving the bar much money, you're already paying 90% in markup over the cost of cheap alcohol in full-strength ones. The deal is clearly about paying for her time sitting with you, and the drink is just a polite cover for that.

[Banana Boi]

Now is not the time to buy lady drinks. Now is the time NOT to buy lady drinks, in order to starve those businesses of funds. Let them go to hell with their drinks scam.

Best revenge on the girl is to name the girl and bar who try to scam you. It usually isn't the bar's fault it's the girl asking for a watered down drink or even apple juice.

[Nounce]

Mr E is saying don't get taken advantage of by the girls. The drinks are not even real drinks. He has not said don't buy drink either. I don't think he is trying belittle anyone. Maybe someone can give him a lesson on how to express his opinion better.

I am on autopilot a lot of time when mongering and just follow what others are doing. His posts do make me stop and think about some very obvious things but that does not mean I am just going to do it like he said.

I know some don't like his posts but there some think it's valuable.

[Breadman]

Now is not the time to buy lady drinks. Now is the time NOT to buy lady drinks, in order to starve those businesses of funds. Let them go to hell with their drinks scam.

Have to agree with XXL on this, been catching girls left and right with watered down drinks. A shot of tequila that doesn't have any burn to it? Might have a faint smell of tequila. Boss said 'no watered down drinks in this bar' should have bought a shot of tequila for myself and watched what bottle they poured it out of.

Soi 6 is hopping, more and more talent showing up. Nightwish group was told by the police they can now hire 18 and 19 year olds, before it was just 20 and up. I had some fun at Lust then walked across the street to illuzions to find it oddly slow. Finished my drink and walked across to 'where Angeles play' and found me a super hotty who just started 3 days ago. Bought her a drink and since she was already nice and drunk from the last guy who just left after buying her half a dozen shots. Got me some good kisses and grinds so before you know it I was upstairs for round 2. Fantastic body with the exception of some baby damage on her breasts but everything else was a 10. Two shots in such a short time and I knew I needed to relax so walked around the corner and got myself a nice hour long nap and foot massage. After that shot down to WS for a looksee. Walked into Farenheight but wasn't impressed at all with the girls. They filled it was some of the lamest talent I've seen. Then again its hard to tell when they aren't on stage.

[FunExplorer]

I agree with you. Even I buy ladydrinks to have fun and enjoy it. Once I bought ladydrinks for all the 12 girls present and mamasan. Had a very nice time before picking up a lovely girl.

I made this exact point to Mr E previously. It's not just about procuring a lady for the night for me, I want to have a good night out beforehand and maybe visit six or seven bars, chat with a lot of girls and enjoy myself. I buy ladydrinks for waitresses and sometimes girls I'm not interested in fucking. On this trip I bought a ladydrink for a big older girl to put a smile on her face. I enjoyed her company, so why not? Mr E makes the whole process sound like he's shopping in a thrift shop, trying to spend as little money as possible.

Another point worth making is that covid was very kind to me financially. I was able to work throughout it and saved a fortune on petrol / going out etc. My bank balance has never looked so rosy. So when I visit Thailand, I WANT to be generous. These girls and businesses in the entertainment and tourism sectors have had it really hard for a few years, so I like to tip. Not just girls but restaurant staff, taxi drivers, massage ladies, room cleaners etc. Some people tip / buy ladydrinks to be kind, not because they expect something in return.

[Sir Lancelot]

Thank you very much to those people who left nice comments about the diary I posted. I'll soon be back in Pattaya for 9 days and will continue to post reports.

If anyone is interested, I've been doing daily videos and reports on my friends 'Eyes of Owen' channel on Youtube.

[Sir Lancelot]

Many people use this hobby as entertainment not just sex. It is a way to be entertained for an entire night rather than just having sex for an hour.

I made this exact point to Mr E previously. It's not just about procuring a lady for the night for me, I want to have a good night out beforehand and maybe visit six or seven bars, chat with a lot of girls and enjoy myself. I buy ladydrinks for waitresses and sometimes girls I'm not interested in fucking. On this trip I bought a ladydrink for a big older girl to put a smile on her face. I enjoyed her company, so why not? Mr E makes the whole process sound like he's shopping in a thrift shop, trying to spend as little money as possible.

Another point worth making is that covid was very kind to me financially. I was able to work throughout it and saved a fortune on petrol / going out etc. My bank balance has never looked so rosy. So when I visit Thailand, I WANT to be generous. These girls and businesses in the entertainment and tourism sectors have had it really hard for a few years, so I like to tip. Not just girls but restaurant staff, taxi drivers, massage ladies, room cleaners etc. Some people tip / buy ladydrinks to be kind, not because they expect something in return.