Pattaya Reports

[Turgid]

I don't believe in wasting my time with a lady, if she isn't interested in having a relationship with me. And with regular women you can literally waste weeks and months being unsure whether the lady is interested in you or not. If you do this repeatedly with one woman after another, then you can literally waste your life in futile attempts to make friends and not getting anywhere. And if you do form a friendship, then there is always a chance that you are incompatible with each other, when you get to know each other better. So, you need to start this whole process all over again.

This whole thing turns me off so much that I don't even want to do it.

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I had not been doing the dating non-pros in the US thing for many many years. However, when I got home from my shortened (from 3 months to 2 months) Germany trip in March and with no future travel in sight I decided to give the non-pro scene a go. I got in touch with this 30 something good looking babe who I had not completely lost contact with. She had been showing me interest for years but I made no move not wanting to interfere with my mongering trips. We went out for lunch a couple times. Then she came over to my place, we watched a movie but she brushed off my advances. A second visit ended with the same result, no action for rufus. I then said fuck that, I'm too old for that shit. I blocked her from whatsapp and went back to my hookers.

[Dan7373]

I find it rather surprising that you dated and had long term relationships with so called hookers that turned out better than with regular women. My preference for hookers is that when I'm with them we do much more fucking than talking while with regular women we spend too much time in which 'they want to talk when I want to touch'. I always figured that if a hooker becomes my girlfriend the activities will be reversed to my detriment.

I don't believe in wasting my time with a lady, if she isn't interested in having a relationship with me. And with regular women you can literally waste weeks and months being unsure whether the lady is interested in you or not. If you do this repeatedly with one woman after another, then you can literally waste your life in futile attempts to make friends and not getting anywhere. And if you do form a friendship, then there is always a chance that you are incompatible with each other, when you get to know each other better. So, you need to start this whole process all over again.

This whole thing turns me off so much that I don't even want to do it.

Perhaps this western courtship process is something the masses have copied from the rich aristocracy for social status purposes. That's why it's not working well for ordinary people like me. The rich can waste their time and resources, because they have plenty of both. But this doesn't work well for those who don't have much of either.

In Thai culture, men and women easily get together through exchange of money. They solve this problem in a different way, and it's a way that works a lot better for ordinary people who don't have a lot of resources. It's a poor man's and a poor woman's way of doing it. And those who believe in dong it the aristocratic way look down on it. But this is just snobbery that has always existed between the rich and the poor, which also includes those who aspire to be rich and try to be like them.

[Dan7373]

LOL. You don't abandon a friend? Why is it the friend that does not need to be abandoned always the female? What really could the female do to help the male at a time that he should not be abandoned? And didn't she have an Australian boyfriend when he met her? You should have been around to tell her not to abandon him! ....

The answer to your question is biological, rather than logical or philosophical. Biological evolution has made men and women co-dependent with each other for mutual support. It's a kind of bonding that works through sex and hormones.

People's friendships can go sour, and they can break up. But if you wait until your friend is in need and then break up, then this is a betrayal of your friendship. Which makes you untrustworthy for everybody as a friend. This kind of thing can spoil your reputation, if you live in a small community and everybody knows you and your friend.

I suppose, you can leave your previous circle of friends and get to know other people, when you spoil your reputation. So, you can repeatedly betray your friends, when you live in a bigger city and many people don't know you. But you will pay an emotional price for doing that. Because you won't be able to deceive yourself into believing that your friendships are genuine. You will know that your friends aren't really your friends, even when they believe that they are your friends.

[Franciscass]

I'm guessing that he is posting under the names of a couple of alter egos I think he uses. If you really, really miss him and Mutant Chicken check out the Vietnam forum and take your guess. LOL.

SS.

With you on that. Have always felt 'I know him well, terrific guy, love hanging with him, ladies love him, where is he now, I miss him blah blah" posts about other members are indeed very possibly from the same source.

[LittleBigMan]

I'm guessing that he is posting under the names of a couple of alter egos I think he uses. If you really, really miss him and Mutant Chicken check out the Vietnam forum and take your guess. LOL.

SS.

Does my writing suggest that I miss him? Does my writing suggest he was writing under a couple of other alter egos? I really don't bother with other forums so there is really no guessing on my part! I'm just passing the word if he bothers you with his writing and posting that is your hang up and ego at play I don't know him but do understand why he doesn't post here any longer!

[HorseTrader]

My preference for hookers is that when I'm with them we do much more fucking than talking while with regular women we spend too much time in which 'they want to talk when I want to touch'. I always figured that if a hooker becomes my girlfriend the activities will be reversed to my detriment.

This reminds me of a story. For the first year of marriage, a man puts a pea into a jar each time he has sex with his wife. After the first year, he removes a pea from the jar each time he has sex with his wife. No man has ever emptied his jar.

[Member #4698]

I find it rather surprising that you dated and had long term relationships with so called hookers that turned out better than with regular women. My preference for hookers is that when I'm with them we do much more fucking than talking while with regular women we spend too much time in which 'they want to talk when I want to touch'. I always figured that if a hooker becomes my girlfriend the activities will be reversed to my detriment.

Yep, I have had many memorable long-time relationships with bar girls. Everything was great and the sex was amazing as long as the relationship stayed grounded on a firm commercial basis. Sadly, or humorlessly, depending on how you look at it, the death knell always sounded whenever one of my long timer's suddenly began thinking of our relationship in a different way. I. e. When she would start thinking of herself as the "girlfriend" or in two separate occasions my girl (s) actually proposed we get married!

This problem arises when a girl starts to think the GFE is more than a transactional fun game to be enjoyed by both parties yes, but not taken seriously except for the exchange of Pay4 Play or when she thinks the guy can be had. But, this fundamental change in a girl's own self-identity always signals the beginning of the end of our long time relationship because suddenly a wonderful, let's have a real good time girl transforms herself into a spoiled self-entitled girl with an attitude problem which means there will be less uninhibited sex, complaints about sex, and even excuses not to perform from time to time and yet still be compensated for doing nothing. Ha ha. So, once these relationships go south, they must always end. There is no way around it.

And for the record, there is nothing you can say to warn the guys who think their GFE is real and their girl is "different" or if they just give in to the girl everything will be peaches & cream again. They will just have to learn about their folly from their own experience. The story is as old as humanity.

[Turgid]

I've had plenty of experience with both regular women and so-called hookers. And I would say that hookers have treated me a lot better, and I've had much better experiences with them than with regular women.

And I'm not talking about just having sex. I'm talking about dating and having long-term relationships.

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I find it rather surprising that you dated and had long term relationships with so called hookers that turned out better than with regular women. My preference for hookers is that when I'm with them we do much more fucking than talking while with regular women we spend too much time in which 'they want to talk when I want to touch'. I always figured that if a hooker becomes my girlfriend the activities will be reversed to my detriment.

[Sam Sanuk]

Monkey Paw I think is bored and still in Pattaya? Need people to entertain him PM Him.

I'm guessing that he is posting under the names of a couple of alter egos I think he uses. If you really, really miss him and Mutant Chicken check out the Vietnam forum and take your guess. LOL.

SS.

[Mr Enternational]

I've read little bit of these stories, and my impression is that the so-called hooker is just having difficulties and problems in her life that she might need some help with. This isn't the same as the lady doing something that you don't like with you.

You don't abandon a friend in need. And that's what this is about.

So, this so-called hooker relationship is actually a romantic relationship where both have feelings and attachments to each other.

LOL. You don't abandon a friend? Why is it the friend that does not need to be abandoned always the female? What really could the female do to help the male at a time that he should not be abandoned? And didn't she have an Australian boyfriend when he met her? You should have been around to tell her not to abandon him!

And that is what happens when you read only some of the story. You would have to go back and catch it from the beginning to understand you have the wrong idea.

Or maybe I have the wrong idea. From my comprehension of the story, for the whole relationship he has had to beg for this, that, or the other or plead with her friend to talk some sense into her or whatever. This has not been a smooth he likes her and she likes him thing. It has been an I have to force my way into her heart and make this chick feel something for me thing. But that is only my interpretation after catching the whole show.

[Whoreman]

. And this is especially true in Thailand. In Thailand, you supposed to pay a dowry to the lady, when you marry her. And she gets to keep this dowry, even if your marriage doesn't work out and you get divorced.

This is not true. Sinsod is paid to the parents who will usually use the money for the benefit of the couple, either by giving it straight back to the man or putting down a deposit on a house or something. And the value of the sinsod depends on a woman's age, attractiveness, education and purity. So the parents of an attractive 23 year old virgin with an international master's degree may expect a million baht or more but an ex Soi 6 girl in her 30's with kids is literally worthless and no Thai man would pay any sinsod for her. A lot of clueless farangs don't realise this and get ripped off by greedy parents.

[Dan7373]

.... He always wrote highly of the chick that was not a hooker, but complains about the one that is a hooker. It was never the hooker does everything just right. From the beginning it has been why doesn't she do this, why doesn't she do that. My question is why are you into her like that if she never seems to do things that you like.

I've read little bit of these stories, and my impression is that the so-called hooker is just having difficulties and problems in her life that she might need some help with. This isn't the same as the lady doing something that you don't like with you.

You don't abandon a friend in need. And that's what this is about.

Some people see sex for money as a strictly commercial transaction and nothing more than this. But I think this is an extreme view, and perhaps it's true for some people and in some situations. But I see guys giving money and resources to women they like in virtually all relationships. Which includes dating, romance, and marriage. And this is especially true in Thailand. In Thailand, you supposed to pay a dowry to the lady, when you marry her. And she gets to keep this dowry, even if your marriage doesn't work out and you get divorced.

So, this so-called hooker relationship is actually a romantic relationship where both have feelings and attachments to each other.

I think it's hard for outsiders to understand the feelings of a romantic couple, because they see only a part of the picture. They see only the public part and not the private one. It's the couple's sex and their physical affection that motivates them to be with each other. But this is something outsiders don't see and perhaps don't even think about much.

That's why the public part of this romantic relationship doesn't make sense for outsiders. Outsiders literally don't see what holds this couple together, because this part is private and hidden from them.

If these stories included graphic descriptions of sex and affection too, then they would've been more complete, and they would've made more sense for outsiders.

[Banana Boi]

MP is still in Pattaya. Not sure how many guys are still there but those who are should meet up with MP. Send him a PM. Knowing MP he'll likely even buy you a round or two.

[LittleBigMan]

Monkey Paw I think is bored and still in Pattaya? Need people to entertain him PM Him.

[FL Hawk]

My advice is not to pre-judge people before you know them. And you don't really know what's right for you, until you try and explore a variety of situations and people. Because what works for one person doesn't necessarily work for another. You need to find out what works for you personally, rather than for someone else.

I think you have it, Dan. Exactly.