Pattaya Reports

[Member #4698]

Well the OP can play it anyway he wants. If he wants to play the part of the conned, taken for a ride boyfriend that is fine with me. What I objected to and found distasteful in his storytelling was the way he continually assumed the readers were as naïve as he was. That we did not see the end coming from the very beginning. That is why I only lightly skimmed his subsequent chapters.

This tale should stand as another example in a long list of examples of how not to act with P4P girls and what not to put up with. Again, a punter can do what he wants, but when he starts believing the GFE fantasy is real and allows himself to fall for the con, whatever form the con takes, he inadvertently sets into motion the end of that very relationship that he sought to hold onto.

I have a very simple rule: If a favorite, repeat girl asks me to send money for whatever reason, I simply tell her I cannot and that is that. Then I deduct a point from her scorecard. If I were ever have to deduct 3 points in total, the liaison is over. That said, most of my favorite girls never ask for Western Union. But a few do. Then Corona changed everything, and most, but not all of my repeat favorites asked for money. I sent each girl who asked a little bit ($150) with no points deducted, ha ha, and told them it was a one-time thing. They all accepted the gift gratefully and never asked for more money. I am still in touch with them all and I hope to see them again as soon as possible.

As I wrote in a previous post, I think the OP blew his relationship with the Soi 6 girl because he let emotional BS enter the relationship. Maybe he wanted to take that ride to nowhere, maybe not. But if he has any self-respect left, his relationship with the girl is over. So, move on guy. Learn from your mistake, but do not let the experience harden you. There are many, many really great new bar girls to meet and have GFE good times with. Do not go back to this one unless you enjoyed being taken for a ride, but if you did, in fact, enjoy the ride she put you through, I am sure you can offer her more money to be your one true love again and she will accept it with a smile.

[Allover]

"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. ".

Oh.

Hawk there is a little hopeless romantic in me and I was pulling for you to somehow get this to work. But at this point you need to move on at least emotionally. You may text with her once in a while but the odds are really stacked against you. With Covid around you won't be seeing her for quite a while. As to her slowing down on texts think about that. Bar girls are on their phones all day long at work and she can't find time to text?

I'm enjoying the updates and appreciate the time you take to post them. I await update #8 if there is one.

[Mr Enternational]

I complained semi-jokingly after having been ignored for 2 days, telling her "you don't like talking to me". She said, "I'm sorry. Whether you are angry or hate me, no matter. " Wow! That did seem a bit rude, but then one always has to wonder about the translation. I just said "I am not mad at all. " And I was not really mad, just disappointed and not really sure what had been going on. But I knew something was going on due to her texting frequency. And then she responded.

"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. ".

Oh.

I run into the same thing with chicks except from Secret's end. Chicks expect because they are not busy and have time then I should have time too. And I am like bich I am busy. Yeah they also think I am being rude and trying to hurt their feelings.

Because I am writing with them they want to send voice messages or press video call then get mad when I decline it or tell them to write instead. Just because I can write right now does not mean I can talk or video. Then I may have a long ass day and do not feel like being bothered.

Chicks begging me to send pictures and shit. I am like how many pictures of me do you fucking need? Or when they keep sending pictures I am like why does this broad keep sending all these pictures (and it is mostly of food.) I don't need to send somebody a picture of the hot dog I had for lunch or me sitting on the couch watching TV. Let a mf have some space.

"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. " It seems some people who are not fluent in how some uneducated Thais speak English are taking this to mean she lied to you and she does not work in a factory, but works in a bar instead.

To me it reads nothing like that. It says working in the factory is not the same as working in a bar. In a bar you have all the free time in the world to goof off and write love messages, take 1 million meaningless pictures. In a factory you are on an assembly line working at a constant pace and when you get a break you just want to relax a moment and have time for yourself. I am tired. Give me a fucking break with the needy bullshit.

[Knobrm]

Yes it is not about not treating decent, on the contrary actually.

Anyway well understood the concerns of dealing with the case, but expect this will die naturally as I expect she will get more narc supply (cash and drinks) from others going forward as clubs are open, and she is of the type that sells easy at good price as long as market is open.

It's just good advice to treat others decent. Bar girls have all the complex thoughts and emotions as others. Play games with someone and you might lose. The other guy posting his story would do well to learn this.

Advice for what it's worth. I just read here bc I miss Thailand. .

[PedroMorales]

Is this the stage where you come out as a sissy cuckold?

I have met tones of jerk offs like him in Pattaya's bars. When they go on like this, you make your excuses and high tail in to another bar. The expression bar bore exists for a reason. If he wants feedback for what passes for his writing, this board is not the place. He is being entertained here because things are dead.

[Whoreman]

I complained semi-jokingly after having been ignored for 2 days, telling her "you don't like talking to me". She said, "I'm sorry. Whether you are angry or hate me, no matter. " Wow! That did seem a bit rude, but then one always has to wonder about the translation. I just said "I am not mad at all. " And I was not really mad, just disappointed and not really sure what had been going on. But I knew something was going on due to her texting frequency. And then she responded.

"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. ".

Oh.

Is this the stage where you come out as a sissy cuckold?

[Member #4733]

"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. ".
Oh.

At least she was honest about het sex life. Probably the best proof you can have about 'her being truthful to you' before that. She probably has entered the transition to a hardened bargirl. I might speculate for the reasons but I won't. It would be just that: speculations. I thank you very much for this story. It is written quite objectively. It added to my understanding and gave a 'real life example' of the things I learned in university.

[Horatio]

The only time I ever asked for a refund was on soi 6. I took a girl upstairs, she wouldn't shower together and wanted to be paid before service. I said no and went back downstairs with girl following me. I told mamasam what happened. She asked girl who answered in thai. Mamasam gave me back my barfine and girl gave me the glare for weeks after when she saw me.

This is why I'm in the think of group if you get a defective Bargirl just pay full price and move on.

No need to get refund from Mamasan. Mamasan is advocate of the girls not US.

[Danny Duck]

This is not an isolated experience. I have a friend who had a scuffle with a Thai girl and she took his laptop and camera from his apartment. He contacted the local authorities who sided with the Thai girl. Things got escalated and he felt happy that he was allowed to leave Thailand without further headaches. That was 2 years ago and he is still afraid to return.

This is why I'm in the think of group if you get a defective Bargirl just pay full price and move on.

No need to get refund from Mamasan. Mamasan is advocate of the girls not US.

[Danny Duck]

There's no doubt in my mind many Bargirls are out to party and make money. The question is do they want to do it with Farang Senior Citizens. LOL.

Going clubbing with young Koreans I get. Come on, with old Pensioners? Let's be real now.

[HorseTrader]

"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. ".

Oh.

A sad end, but not surprising. This is the end, right? Please tell us you ghosted her.

So many thoughts come to mind. I made a list, but deleted it before posting.

I fully understand the blues you were feeling, same feeling happens to all of us when we lose a girlfriend. Empty. Lost. Hope you are well cured now.

[HorseTrader]

This is not unfounded paranoia. I have a close friend who had to leave Thailand forever because he was accused of something he didn't do by an emotionally unhinged local in response to a completely trivial scuffle (which can't even be called a dispute). Very few Farang have sufficient social standing and connections in Thai society to handle that kind of trouble.

This is not an isolated experience. I have a friend who had a scuffle with a Thai girl and she took his laptop and camera from his apartment. He contacted the local authorities who sided with the Thai girl. Things got escalated and he felt happy that he was allowed to leave Thailand without further headaches. That was 2 years ago and he is still afraid to return.

[FL Hawk]

OK. So I am looking for love with Secret and the instant she leaves I head to Pattaya? Well, had she been a pure GF to me, I was prepared to spend the rest of the trip with her. But that did not happen, indeed, it could not happen, so how could I travel to Thailand and not monger a bit, especially when our sex had been so, well, frustrating? We had no commitments to each other so I am quite sure she would not be too upset if she found out. Some may say I am insensitive or being disrespectful to her regardless. Perhaps I am, but we are in a strange relationship where the normal dating rules don't apply.

That said, I had a lousy time in Pattaya. I met up with Monkey Paw a few evenings and I totally bored him. The agogos were hopping but I did no mongering there. I visited Soi 6 a few times, sure to wear my sunglasses and a cap and to avoid the area around Secret's former bar. If I was spotted, I never heard about it. Seems like I met up with Mr. E one afternoon. He is always a blast and he brings laughter and sage wisdom. Then I got the Pattaya Blues for a few days plus the Hershey Squirts, but when the squirts stopped I just didn't have the desire to do anything. I think I had maybe 5 or possibly 6 bar fines the entire time, when I am known to have 3 to 4 in a single day. Oh well. Good practice for quarantining. But were my blues due to a sense of guilt, that I was cheating? Not sure. Maybe, or perhaps it was a general depression, a renewed realization I am aging, a lack of hot-looking girls on Soi 6 or a specific depression that I was wasting time and money on Secret when there were others I could and should be concentrating on who were more suitable for me? It was probably a combination of it all. For the first time I was almost happy to finally be leaving Pattaya. Sheesh, am I regretting this now?

But, after the trip, Secret stayed with her sister in Bangkok and got a job back in the electronics industry. She was slowly opening up to me a little more as her financial concerns were abating. I mean, her land was being paid off and she was working so this was a good time for her and she was generally happy and relaxed. But the grind eventually started to wear on her. She was back to the 10 hour per day, 6 days per week hell so common in Asia. She had less time to text but we still kept in contact most every day. Over the next two months we discussed our next trip and politely flirted with each other. No sex talk ever, just general stuff, again like she was a shy, old fashioned semi-girlfriend or potential GF, but too busy to talk to her boyfriend or potential boyfriend as much as he would have liked. She did say I was her lone boyfriend, that she was my girlfriend, and that she wanted to go places and do things with me again. I don't know. That could simply be uninspired BG talk as easily as it could shy GF talk. But talk was all we had at this point. From photos and texting times, and from the social media postings I discovered later, she what she said she was doing.

But yeah, it was a boring time with us having to be apart 4-1/2 months. Then the virus came to Bangkok. She was scared. Her mother was concerned and wanted her to return home, but there was no work at home. Then things appear to fall apart between us. She would say all was ok, but I was sensing a change.

As we entered into another month of being apart I expressed concerns we were not texting as much as we should, and she asked me to understand that she wasn't able to text due very much to her work. This was how things were before her accident. I should add that we were only texting. (Chatting was not effective for us due to her poor English and my non-existent Thai. I will also add that had we been able to effectively speak to each other, some of the problems we had would not have occurred.) She described all she had to do in a day and, yeah, I understand, but one makes time for those you love. So, poor, poor Hawk. But looking back, of course, with all of her worries and responsibilities she was dealing with, that we texted as much as we did was actually amazing and I feel guilt in myself in pressuring her for more. A few times, I admit, I felt that with the money I was giving her she should be giving me more of her time, but that admissions itself sort of showed I was still thinking of her as being like a BG! It is easy to find faults in others but miss those same faults in yourself. She was asking for patience.

But for the man trying to find love with a BG or ex-BG while also trying to protect his assets, he needs to be diligent in ensuring she is not unduly trying to take advantage of him. For example, if she keeps asking for money while barely communicating with him, and especially if her texting history is erratic, he needs to be careful. If she says she is working in a factory 8 AM to 6 PM, are her texts and photos consistent with that? If she is sending texts at 1 AM her time on a Wednesday night, then you may have a cause to worry. And if she doesn't text for a day or two, you may really have a cause for worry. Same if she had been sending you periodic photos and, all of sudden, she stops. And I was beginning to see some of this. There would be periods of time with no messages. She had already cut back on photos, and now she was sending fewer, saying she had no time. Well, um, she can't spare 15 seconds during her ride to and from work to send a freaking photo to the man who saved her from going to Korea?! Sigh. Something is going on!

You are seeing my jealousy starting to creep in. I remember the song "When you're in love with a beautiful woman" haha.

When you're in love with a Pattaya bar girl, you look for lies; You know that it's crazy; you want to trust her; then it takes two days for her to send you a text; haha.

And "One way love, it pulls you in and drags you down".

Can I really trust her? Has she found someone else to spend her free time with? Is this simply proof she has limited feelings for me and is slowly getting tired of the hassle of keeping m around, and she simply wishes to keep me sufficiently happy for another month or two to get out of me what she can? So as CV-19 is making a mess, our relationship, or whatever kind of relationship we have, is also turning into mess. I complained semi-jokingly after having been ignored for 2 days, telling her "you don't like talking to me". She said, "I'm sorry. Whether you are angry or hate me, no matter. " Wow! That did seem a bit rude, but then one always has to wonder about the translation. I just said "I am not mad at all. " And I was not really mad, just disappointed and not really sure what had been going on. But I knew something was going on due to her texting frequency. And then she responded.

"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. ".

Oh.

[Horatio]

It's just good advice to treat others decent. Bar girls have all the complex thoughts and emotions as others. Play games with someone and you might lose. The other guy posting his story would do well to learn this.

Advice for what it's worth. I just read here bc I miss Thailand. .

Be careful. If you play with bears, you'll eventually get mauled, no matter how good you think you are. Never underestimate the danger of an emotionally unhinged local without much to lose. If she happens to get pissed off in just the wrong way she could strike revenge in various unhinged ways (e. G. Accuse you of a hard-to-disprove crime, or damage a 3rd party on your behalf).

This is not unfounded paranoia. I have a close friend who had to leave Thailand forever because he was accused of something he didn't do by an emotionally unhinged local in response to a completely trivial scuffle (which can't even be called a dispute). Very few Farang have sufficient social standing and connections in Thai society to handle that kind of trouble.

You might feel in control and somewhat entertained now, but you're playing with fire. If I were you, if she's away now, I'd make sure she stays away. She has the benefit of a cooling-off period, and can't blame you for breaking up and use that as an excuse to go crazy.

[Crocodilexp]

If I would no understand the narc in her, and would truly be in love, would actually be in deep shit. However just playing on to see how things go. One day things will burst for good I expect. But for now it kind of works ok. Whenever she goes, I can play others for a while, and fuck her when she comes back.

Be careful. If you play with bears, you'll eventually get mauled, no matter how good you think you are. Never underestimate the danger of an emotionally unhinged local without much to lose. If she happens to get pissed off in just the wrong way she could strike revenge in various unhinged ways (e. G. Accuse you of a hard-to-disprove crime, or damage a 3rd party on your behalf).

This is not unfounded paranoia. I have a close friend who had to leave Thailand forever because he was accused of something he didn't do by an emotionally unhinged local in response to a completely trivial scuffle (which can't even be called a dispute). Very few Farang have sufficient social standing and connections in Thai society to handle that kind of trouble.

You might feel in control and somewhat entertained now, but you're playing with fire. If I were you, if she's away now, I'd make sure she stays away. She has the benefit of a cooling-off period, and can't blame you for breaking up and use that as an excuse to go crazy.