Pattaya Reports

[Knobrm]

There are countless stories of TGs going for the job to make money for themselves and / or family, and countless ways they fool farang men to get the cash. Money being the thing that drives everything.

However prior to my experience (that is still ongoing), I never thought about how widespread narcissism is among the working girls, actually driving them for the job in addition to the cash. Working as freelancer in a club is actually a perfect job for a narc girl. Guys courting you all the time and giving money and other forms of adoration to get laid. Makes a narc feel in heaven.

If you stay with someone for a night or even two, even repeating that every now and then, you really don't get to see it (unless you really has eye into it or are a shrink). Met this gal almost a year back in WS club and took her for a night (she was quite new at the scene, finished with farang BF and come to work). She turned out to be in my all-time top 3 for her work and she really liked sex herself too, so became a regular, 1-2 times a week, and eventually agreed to a discounted deal for a month as she asked for it. That ended up being quite weird as she simply could not stay the month as she wanted to go to WS pretty much every second day. Can't take the bar out of girl I thought and just let it go, still continued to see her simply because she was good in her work. But it turned out it was not (at least only) that can't take bar out of girl, she was a 99% schoolbook narc.

Then the covid came and clubs closed. Business opportunity for her was substantially reduced (she had not worked via online channels, not her thing I think as she don't get the narc kicks from that) - so she asked for the long time deal again. By that time I already understood she was a narc, however thought not much to loose as can not go out myself to hunt anyway, and she was good. So stayed with her the 3 month closure period, and as expected, when it was over, she just had to go back. Continued on and off as she kind of wanted that I keep her as GF, yet she could not stay with me full time. By that time I had read enough about the disorder and just decided, knowing the risks, to play and see how the whole thing will work out. She went on and off, blocked me at one time, and again after a week or two came back telling how much she wants to be with me, and after a while same happened again. Few time since June, and currently situation is she blocked me again, I just waiting for how long. If I would no understand the narc in her, and would truly be in love, would actually be in deep shit. However just playing on to see how things go. One day things will burst for good I expect. But for now it kind of works ok. Whenever she goes, I can play others for a while, and fuck her when she comes back.

Every time she had stayed for few days, the moment came when she out-of-blue blamed me of something, not loving her as she loves me as she says. Initially was kind of weird experience as I knew what she said was not true; later it became kind of entertaining. Projecting her own actions on me and using that as excuse to finish, just like a narc does.

One time she was looking at the pictures I took of her, and told me my phone camera is not good as it had some imperfections showed on her skin that she did not see herself. Weird. She is good looking, however not perfect (esp face skin), though she herself think she is. Expecting compliments of appearance all the time and if not given, asking for those. Really a full-blown narc.

Wondering how common this disorder is among the working girls as for a narc woman, to work as a freelance hooker in a club is probably really rewarding.

[FL Hawk]

Of course we saw that coming! The only question was if you would admit it to us. We are the same as you and can't imagine traveling 24 hours to Thailand and having sex with only one girl.

Haha, so true. Well, I did briefly consider not admitting to that, but it IS part of story.

My two cents for what it's worth. I think if you want a sincere relationship you need to be honest. You lie to her it's fair she lies to you. Does she know you won't change but expect her to?

I am wanting to get to the point where I CAN have a sincere relationship with her. But you are correct, before this relationship can become sincere, we will have to both be honest. And, spoiler alert, being honest can be painful.

This chick was standoffish from the start. Why would you expect her to change into the freak of the week? And then when she does not it is no cruise for you!

I was not expecting a freakish performance. I didn't want her to be a BG with me, and she was unable to be a GF with me yet. I was disappointed at the time but, in hindsight, I was asking too much too soon. And the cruise was still on regardless. Even if no love, she was still fun to be with, and a cruise with her would either have been a blast, or the afternoon boredom would have had us at each other's throats.

Not everyone shows love the same way nor has sex the same way. You are looking for her to ravage you like the sex fiend she is not.

I was most certainly not looking for her to ravage me. That would have been BG behavior for her and would have spelled the end. Well. No, it would have guaranteed one more trip I suppose! Haha But, a little more foreplay, or her even starting the foreplay, was what I was hoping for. And I realize that we all show love differently and, at that point in time, her taking those pictures was enough to show at least a tiny bit of affection.

You forced this relationship, when judging from your reports there was no compatibility in the first place. You basically had to "make her" everything. There was nothing smooth and natural about this.

You speak a bit of truth here, my friend. But I did think there was a little bit of compatibility between us. I had been with nearly 300 others, some prettier and more energetic, but I never fell for them. It was things that Secret did, seemingly non-BGish, that sparked my increasing interest in her. Remember, we barely talked about sex and love ever. It was the normal, everyday things we talked about that drew me in. But of course, it was my desire to keep seeing her that allowed the relationship to continue once she expressed an interest, especially after she quit the bar scene. And true, given our age difference, distance separation and cultural differences, all of which I understood from the beginning, this could not be an exactly smooth, natural development. That this relationship is clearly doomed to fail is apparent. How long will she or I keep it going? What will finally end it? I mean, it WILL end! Right?

F. H.

Like I said I read your post and nothing you have written I haven't heard or seen first hand all the excuses are right there no matter how much you indicated or write to make it interesting it is a story that has been written many time over just a different writer and different day.

Haha. If I finish this story without throwing you a loop or two I will feel I have failed!

You are on your way the most important thing is enjoy the ride the experience will stay with you for a lifetime and maybe learn.

Yes, thank you. I was fully aware the relation was likely to fail but, again, she was fun to hang with and I just couldn't stand the thought of not spending some more time with her before throwing in the towel.

Maybe quite maybe FH is the problem!

Maybe. Not really sure what problem you are referring to.

I assume this all happened several months ago?

Just over a year.

There are few things more dreary and burdensome than assuming emotional and financial support for a life mate who doesn't even try to rock your world sexually at least every now and then.

True. Well, I am getting old so bed performance will become less important over time! But note, I was not complaining that she was not a PSE. I was just hoping to see a bit of foreplay come from her.

That's where you're deluding yourself. She was in fact acting exactly like a BG or at least the way Pattaya BGs were ten years ago. I remember having girls tell me they love me, I don't have to pay them, I'm the only one who makes them feel that way, ..

You speak a great, general truth. But Secret was not telling me she loved me. She was not telling me I did not need to pay her (I will address this further below). She never told me I was the only one who ever made her feel that way. I wish! Haha I may wish, but I would not have believed her and had she said it I would have ended it.

You think you experienced something unique but you didn't. It's all part of the GFE the hundreds or even thousands of other men who fucked your "sweetheart" probably experienced.

I said we were doing unique things? We had fun during the day and the nights were rather bland. I have no idea how she performed with her other customers, and these kinds of thoughts, to include how many men she had been with, are the kind of thoughts all who fall for a BG have to deal with and agonize over. Had she not quit the bar I don't think I could have continued to deal with it. Part of the desire is that she DID quit, well before being with thousands of men. Were she hardened, no way could I have dealt with it.

It's just you're the sap who ended up taking it seriously.

Perhaps.

As for her taking lots of photos, ffs talk about clutching at straws. Every girl in the world does that these days, it means absolutely nothing.

I don't think they take a ton of photos and videos of the dude if they don't like him. They will mostly take selfies to send to their friends. I could see a BG taking a few to send home to show mom the "sap" who will be paying for their new motorbike, but not dozens shots and dozens of videos of just one more "sap". Indeed, back in May 2019 we went out to Ko Larn and she took her camera. She took a few selfies and landscapes and a couple of me. The action of a BG or GF? Who knows at that stage? 6 months later, she was taking tons of me and us. Rather than being meaningless, it was definitely far more GF than BG behavior.

Regarding the need to pay. In your case, I presume you were in Pattaya and the girl lived in Pattaya and all she had to do was come to your hotel. Worst case, she may have lost out a BF. To see me, Secret had to travel 6 hours to meet with me and even delay her job search by a month. She never asked me for money, I simply told her I would pay her what she lost from not having a job for that time period, the amount of which I guessed. Seemed fair. Look at it from her side. She had to travel to see me and hope I would sufficiently compensate her for the funds she was losing for not having a job. And what if I refused to give her loan money after the trip? Giving up a BF for a good customer is within the realm of a BG. Secret was risking tens of thousands of baht to see me. That sound like something a BG would be risking?

And you say Secret was like a BG for having passive sex? Would you also say she would be acting like a BG if she gave me a PSE? What if one night she started in doggie, then spoon, then missionary, then some oral, then some more miss and finished off with reverse cowgirl? Would that be a sign she was acting like a BG too? Heck, I would call that honeymoon sex. So, what kind of sex could an ex-BG possibly have that was not BG-sex then? What can make it one way or the other depends on their intentions and attitudes, which we can not always know.

[Whoreman]

So was she acting like a GF or as a BG? Definitely not like a BG.

That's where you're deluding yourself. She was in fact acting exactly like a BG or at least the way Pattaya BGs were ten years ago. I remember having girls tell me they love me, I don't have to pay them, I'm the only one who makes them feel that way, doing things that a "normal" couple would do and even taking me to their village to see their whole family. You think you experienced something unique but you didn't. It's all part of the GFE the hundreds or even thousands of other men who fucked your "sweetheart" probably experienced. It's just you're the sap who ended up taking it seriously. As for her taking lots of photos, ffs talk about clutching at straws. Every girl in the world does that these days, it means absolutely nothing.

[EihTooms]

There are few things more dreary and burdensome than assuming emotional and financial support for a life mate who doesn't even try to rock your world sexually at least every now and then.

It's kind of the story behind why many of us entered the world of mongering, isn't it?

And, imo, it is a particularly pertinent warning for those of us who monger in Thailand because, no matter how cute or sexy they look, a good 90% of those Thai girls are by nature rather lousy in bed and rarely if ever improve over time.

[Kerrstar]

She kept her word. We met at BKK and flew off to Phuket for about 8 days, then to Bangkok for 4 more.

I assume this all happened several months ago?

[Dg8787]

Life is not a movie. It is rather monotonous for most people. You go to work and you go home. There are no sparks flying and no fireworks popping off. This chick was standoffish from the start. Why would you expect her to change into the freak of the week? And then when she does not it is no cruise for you!

You got exactly what you signed up for. There was no I was like this but I changed into that after I got him hooked. She has been the exact same. Not everyone shows love the same way nor has sex the same way. You are looking for her to ravage you like the sex fiend she is not.

That is why there is a thing called compatibility that we should observe when getting into something serious with someone. You forced this relationship, when judging from your reports there was no compatibility in the first place. You basically had to "make her" everything. There was nothing smooth and natural about this.

Maybe quite maybe FH is the problem!

[LittleBigMan]

F. H.

Like I said I read your post and nothing you have written I haven't heard or seen first hand all the excuses are right there no matter how much you indicated or write to make it interesting it is a story that has been written many time over just a different writer and different day.

You are trying hard but the more you write the more clear what the ending will be job electronics, ten years, six month Soi 6, wasn't push into the life style, didn't act like a BG, first payment. You are on your way the most important thing is enjoy the ride the experience will stay with you for a lifetime and maybe learn some don't like Charlie Tuna go for the bait get thrown back into the ocean and take the bait again. You think she doesn't know why you came to Thailand for one thing and one thing only and no matter how close you get she will always know the reason you are here!

[Mr Enternational]

She acted very much like a traditional Thai GF, meaning no overt displays of affection in public, As I said, she asked for nothing from me and she never talked trashy or used her womanly, BG wiles. But she was not exactly a GF either. Well, during the day she was a perfect Thai GF. In bed, well, she was not any more passionate than the last time in Pattaya. I could say she was like a very shy, inexperienced lover, waiting for me to make all the moves, after which she would dutifully submit. But she would never initiate anything or even act to keep it going. I tried very hard to avoid anything to remind we had once had a professional relationship (or to show we might still be having such a relationship), which met giving her the chance to initiate things and have an equal say in what all we did.

She would cuddle up and touch a little, and wanted to sleep touching me, but if I was not pushing the foreplay, she would go to sleep. Twice I let that happen until several hours later I would wake her up! She was happily accommodating, but sex was something she could take or leave. It all left me a bit uncomfortable and unsatisfied and with the feeling she had no love or passion for me. But, I could have been asking too much too soon, or maybe she was being a GF to me but expected me to make all the moves, or she may have felt I was being too passive, or whatever.

But did she show enough feelings to warrant me taking her on that cruise we had talked about for April? If I was sure that this was all I was going to get then I should go on and cut my losses. Sure, she is fun, but I am getting old! I should perhaps be looking elsewhere, right? The lack of obvious love and passion got me down a bit, but when I thought about all that this woman had been through that year, it was unreasonable for me to expect too much from her.

But what was I looking for? I was looking for signs of potential love such that I would want to continue to see her to try to nurture those feelings. What kind of signs, though? They would be little things that one would do for one they had feelings for. Examples are how they kiss you or touch you or look at you, how often they call you or text you, the pictures they send, what they do for you, etc. We mongerors know that great sex is unrelated to love. A couple of BGs have given me "GFEs" that blew me away, but they sure didn't love me.

In all fairness, I could not have expected any more than what I got.

Life is not a movie. It is rather monotonous for most people. You go to work and you go home. There are no sparks flying and no fireworks popping off. This chick was standoffish from the start. Why would you expect her to change into the freak of the week? And then when she does not it is no cruise for you!

You got exactly what you signed up for. There was no I was like this but I changed into that after I got him hooked. She has been the exact same. Not everyone shows love the same way nor has sex the same way. You are looking for her to ravage you like the sex fiend she is not.

That is why there is a thing called compatibility that we should observe when getting into something serious with someone. You forced this relationship, when judging from your reports there was no compatibility in the first place. You basically had to "make her" everything. There was nothing smooth and natural about this.

[Horatio]

My two cents for what it's worth. I think if you want a sincere relationship you need to be honest. You lie to her it's fair she lies to you. Does she know you won't change but expect her to?

OK,

I arrived at BKK, then waited for Nam's limo driver to pick me up. "Huh? Who? What? You exclaim. "Who is Nam?" Many of you know of Nam. She hires lady drivers to drive people between the airport and Pattaya. Yeah, I left Secret and went to Pattaya for 10 days. Bet you guys didn't see that coming? Haha You say you can't take the BG out of the BG. Is it also true you can't take the mongeror out of the mongeror?

[HorseTrader]

Yeah, I left Secret and went to Pattaya for 10 days. Bet you guys didn't see that coming? Haha You say you can't take the BG out of the BG. Is it also true you can't take the mongeror out of the mongeror?

Of course we saw that coming! The only question was if you would admit it to us. We are the same as you and can't imagine traveling 24 hours to Thailand and having sex with only one girl.

[RacShack]

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[FL Hawk]

OK, I sent Secret the first of 6 installments, as I had agreed. She, in turn, was to go to Phuket with me. Did she keep her word to me? If she was an evil BG out to scam me, might she take the money and run, or try to get a second payment out of me then run?

She kept her word. We met at BKK and flew off to Phuket for about 8 days, then to Bangkok for 4 more. We had a lot of daytime fun. We did many tours and did many things and even took a cooking class. We went zip lining, canoeing and swimming. The only thing she asked me to buy was a bathing suit, and it was a cheap one, and I had offered to buy it weeks before the trip as she did not have one. Well, she had one with the name of her former bar. She acted very much like a traditional Thai GF, meaning no overt displays of affection in public, no asking for stuff and politely declining offered gifts and basically being considerate of me. She would hold hands and would sit close to me on the buses, give light kisses occasionally and smile and laugh a lot, so she did display affection. She was just as delightful as ever and reminded me why I liked her so much.

So was she acting like a GF or as a BG? Definitely not like a BG. As I said, she asked for nothing from me and she never talked trashy or used her womanly, BG wiles. But she was not exactly a GF either. Well, during the day she was a perfect Thai GF. In bed, well, she was not any more passionate than the last time in Pattaya. I could say she was like a very shy, inexperienced lover, waiting for me to make all the moves, after which she would dutifully submit. But she would never initiate anything or even act to keep it going. I tried very hard to avoid anything to remind we had once had a professional relationship (or to show we might still be having such a relationship), which met giving her the chance to initiate things and have an equal say in what all we did. She would cuddle up and touch a little, and wanted to sleep touching me, but if I was not pushing the foreplay, she would go to sleep. Twice I let that happen until several hours later I would wake her up! She was happily accommodating, but sex was something she could take or leave. It all left me a bit uncomfortable and unsatisfied and with the feeling she had no love or passion for me. But, I could have been asking too much too soon, or maybe she was being a GF to me but expected me to make all the moves, or she may have felt I was being too passive, or whatever. Pointless to speculate on why she was passive. I should have asked her.

But did she show enough feelings to warrant me taking her on that cruise we had talked about for April? If I was sure that this was all I was going to get then I should go on and cut my losses. Sure, she is fun, but I am getting old! I should perhaps be looking elsewhere, right? The lack of obvious love and passion got me down a bit, but when I thought about all that this woman had been through that year, it was unreasonable for me to expect too much from her. I mean, less than a year previous to this she had no idea that she would be become, well, a prostitute. She had a good job, had moved up the ladder a bit, and then BOOM, she had to degrade herself to bail out her mother's poor financial actions. But just imagine that you have not had a loving relationship for at least 10 years and, heck, maybe never, and now just having had to have sex with between likely 100 to 300 strange men, the vast majority you detest (and me being one of them), is it reasonable to feel for me the same way I was feeling about her? No, it isn't. It is reasonable to think that she might view sex with a bit of tension.

But what was I looking for? I was looking for signs of potential love such that I would want to continue to see her to try to nurture those feelings. What kind of signs, though? They would be little things that one would do for one they had feelings for. Examples are how they kiss you or touch you or look at you, how often they call you or text you, the pictures they send, what they do for you, etc. At least coming from a BG or ex-BG, giving out sex is not really a sign. I might, for them, simply be a profession they are still engaging in with in. Secret was not displaying that at least! We mongerors know that great sex is unrelated to love. A couple of BGs have given me "GFEs" that blew me away, but they sure didn't love me. And a few were shy, thinking by giving sex they would somehow ruin things.

What actually made me to decide I wanted to keep seeing her will sound strange, but it was because she had been taking a ton of photos and videos of me and us, many of which I had not noticed she was doing. Women generally don't take photos of guys they have no feelings for. They may take selfies or photos of the attractions to post on social media, but not so many of the men they are with if they have no feelings for him. Secret took a bunch of videos of me zip lining, of us eating, walking along the beach, etc. She took of bunch of us together as well. If she was disgusted with me, she would not want to do that! And I saw where she sent pictures of us home to her mother. This all may sounds like a little thing, but love is comprised of a lot of little things. But what daughter sends pictures to her mother (and sisters) of a man she feels disgust for?

Anyway, the trip was a basic success, advancing our relationship a little. She was never like a BG, and she was a great GF during the day though a questionable GF at night. In all fairness, I could not have expected any more than what I got. I guess she had sufficient fun to make plans to meet again in April 2020 and go on that cruise. If a trip on the Quantum of the Seas cannot bring out some love or passion, then I may finally have to end this. But that is over 4 months away from this time. What bad can possibly happen before mid-April?

So, we said our goodbyes the next morning. She got a taxi to go back to her sister's and start a serious job search, and I took a taxi to BKK. I had given her the second mortgage payment plus I gave her enough to pay for work that she may have missed while waiting for me. With a job and with loan payments to worry about, she will be fine.

I arrived at BKK, then waited for Nam's limo driver to pick me up. "Huh? Who? What? You exclaim. "Who is Nam?" Many of you know of Nam. She hires lady drivers to drive people between the airport and Pattaya. Yeah, I left Secret and went to Pattaya for 10 days. Bet you guys didn't see that coming? Haha You say you can't take the BG out of the BG. Is it also true you can't take the mongeror out of the mongeror?

[FL Hawk]

It's even worst than I thought.

She's been doing this for 10 years? That girl is wasted and you'll never satisfy her except by spending a lot of cash on her (until you run out of cash). But is it really worth it?

I think you misunderstand. Industry. Electronics industry. She worked for a major electronics manufacturer for 10 years. She was moving up the ladder. She did not go to college, but she held a job of increasing responsibility. I have repeated many times she was a bar girl for less than 6 months. It is in her social media -- she left work to the surprise of her co-workers and a few days later she was a BG. Just like that. Factory to Soi 6. I would agree that if she had been in the adult business for much longer than 6 months it could not work. Part of her being "special" is a lot of the circumstances are "special".

[FL Hawk]

This is how you help BarGirls. Give them a stake of $10,000 and teach them how to trade options. Learn what cash secured puts and covered calls are. Incorporate both into the Wheel Strategy. Income for life, at least quite awhile if done right. LOL.

I'm into my second month. Does have merit.

Haha. I have lost more in options than I will ever lose to Secret, many times over.

[FL Hawk]

I didn't read back your post but I assumed you gave her money to pay back her loan, so that's not a cheap charlie's act.

She didn't ask explicitly (maybe), but she made you fully aware of her financial struggles.

The way you write your reports, it's clear that you're very hesitant of what you should do (or what you should have done). All these questionings (I assume that you probably gave her many signs of these hesitations) are typically showing you as a big easy target in my opinion.

Signs of hesitation? No, I think I left the impression I was totally insensitive! She left hints and I did not respond. I mean, she says "I need a job" and I say "I hope you find something. " Not until faced with losing her did I finally shell out some cash. I may show hesitation here in my writing about it all and, yes, I was hesitant about what to do at the time.

I had not been giving her much of anything, thus looking like a Cheap Charlie up until the time I did give her money. You can decide, if this goes on, if I return to be a cheap Charlie or if I start throwing out the cash upon the merest hint of need from her.