Pattaya Reports

[Sammon]

I would never sit in any bar that pestered me for drinks. Don't see why anyone would. If it happens come on this board and post the name of the bar that did this.

Pestering is their job. Refusing or getting out of there is your prerogative. I do not blame them. It is the nature of their business. Just like shopkeepers who do the same.

[Banana Boi]

There is a balance. No one has an issue buying drinks, being pestered for drinks non stop is another thing altogether.

I would never sit in any bar that pestered me for drinks. Don't see why anyone would. If it happens come on this board and post the name of the bar that did this.

[Mr Enternational]

In summary, the car dealership is the perfect example. Guys go into a dealership where selling cars is the main business model and complain about the salesmen pushing them to buy a car.

Actually it is not. The stealership makes their money off of selling you the parts and labor for jacked up prices. You can talk them into selling you the car for very little above the price they pay for it. The salesman pushes the car because that is how he makes HIS money. But that is not my concern. I am there to get the car for the cheapest they will sell it to me for.

Case in point, I was at the mall the other day trying to buy an incense holder. The price on the sticker was $6. I asked the salesperson for a discount. I do not know whether she works off commission or salary or how she gets paid. I do not care. I want the product for as cheap as I can get it for. She said sure and called the owner on the phone. The owner said $5. I said tell her $4. The owner agreed to the $4 and the girl hung up the phone and I left with what I came there for. That owner knew that $4 was better than $0, same as those Soi 6 bar owners know that you taking a girl and paying 400 baht for the short time room is better than 0 baht.

[Mr Enternational]

I beg to differ. Soi 6 is in the business of selling drinks. The girls are there to convince you to buy drinks. Thats how they get their salary.

There seems to be a communication problem. How the girls get their salary is between them and the owner. The customer has shit to do with that. As a customer I am not patroning a business to make sure the workers are able to get their salary. I am going for the product or service that I am interested in. Not my problem if the owner promised some chick 10,000 baht if she sells 50 drinks and negative 1000 baht if she does not. I was not there for those contract negotiations and neither do I care. That is between them. Hell, you (not you per se, but in general guys) would not even know if you were not so nosey. I am there to get what I came there to get, not to make sure the girl has a good paycheck and the owner has enough money coming in to stay in business. Nobody walks into McDonald's worried about if the staff is paid by the hour or per Big Mac sold. Why should they do it at bars?

If they want me there buying drinks instead of pussy, then take the pussy away and I will not come there trying to buy pussy. That is like McDonald's selling Big Macs and salads, but you telling a vegetarian not to go if they only want a salad because they make most of their money from Big Macs. So you are saying the salad should only be available to you if you are buying a Big Mac too? Never had a problem going to one of these places and the owner telling me that I could not buy pussy if I did not buy a bunch of drinks to go with it. I have had some girls try that bullshit, but never an owner. Owners know every drop in the bucket counts toward their bottom line. Chicks only care about the money they stand to get or lose due to the contract they agreed to (which ain't my business!

[Tvataham274]

Go to bar, ask a girl you fancy if she does ST. If she does, buy a drink and a LD. 2-3 LDs, then go upstairs.

How hard is it to ask a lady if she does ST before buying drinks? I'm the exact opposite of a social butterfly myself, and really don't like the kind of atmosphere inside clubs, when when you're going into a bar for a girl, it is a business transaction and should be treated as such.

Unless you are only there for drinks, and drinks only, you need to ask if they boom boom before you open your wallet, if that's what you are wanting.

[Mr Enternational]

I think most of the guys on here could not care less if a bar makes money or not and we all understand that. However, if you enjoy going to Soi 6 because of the sheer number of ladies there for hire, then remember that if the bars don't make money, they will close and selling drinks is their number 1 source of revenue.

That is the beauty of Pattaya. No matter how many times a bar closes, someone else comes right along and opens another one in that same spot. I guess they think the last guy just wasn't doing it right. As they say, to make a small fortune, start with a large one.

[Turgid]

I agree. Drinks should be a sales pitch from the girl to take her up. And should include tease and foreplay. Whats the point of sitting across an illiterate village girl while she sips (or gulps) sugar water? Thats why buying drinks in GCs and even some gogos like Kink and Windmill is fun. I buy lots of drinks in places where that includes foreplay with the girl. Otherwise, I don't see the point.

For me Pattaya is not Drinks town it is Boom Boom town. I don't care much what the girl does during drinking as long as its followed by FS afterwards. No Boom Boom no drinkee.

[Forty Drinks]

Old not the best looking guy inquired about short time with an ok girl. She raised the 2 finger salute, 2,000.

I inquire she said 49 drinks. 😂. No like. For those in Rio Linda. Me young and Hansum got the No Mas treatment.

[Forty Drinks]

Anyone see the girls Desire have downstairs?

Can't get any worse. Hahaha. No 40 drink girls there.

Business Model Schmodel. . don't matter if your Girls lac looks. Goodfellas as usual No customers.

[ElMexicant]

Went to Soi 6 tonight and had a great time.

Red Point Bar.

500 room fee + 1500st + 195 worth of drinks.

2195 baht total for a comfortable room and a good looking, friendly 20 yo girl. No rush, no clock watching.

As far as being "cheap" and being a "one drink guy" well I think the bars need to offer more if they want more money. They offer nothing to me other than to collect some girls in the same location. They lost the advantage they had in the pre-smart phone days.

I will always be a 1-lady drink guy in the bars and if things aren't going to go how I want. I will leave.

And it has nothing to do with "being able to afford it."

BTW, the girls are drinking Fanta half the time anyway. So why go through the charade of buying drinks. The bars seem to be quite parasitic to the whole process, IMO.

Is RedPoint the one near the Cooters or Scooters end, across from the Slice Pizza place, that the girls sit outside on stools in dresses? If it is, then I thought that always operated as a brothel or BJ bar. Since 2011, I've taken only ONE girl from there and that was in 2011, my first trip ever to Pattaya. My eyes were still focusing on what exactly was Thai beauty. It was 1000 baht and 350 for the room, no drinks necessary. Since then, none of the girls tickle my fancy when I walked by that bar. And I still thought it was still only 1000 baht and room charge until your post. Soi 6 acting like they are the new Walking Street. I suggest guys tackle more of the Fiwfans network in Pattaya. You can narrow your selection to Chonburi and Banglamung. That way it will encourage more of the authentic Thai girls to come work Pattaya from BKK. Fuck the bars, when everything is online and Fiwfans. I used to piss off girls in Bangkok GoGos and bars like Thermae by showing the Fiwfans site and then showing guys around me who didn't know about it. Only 1300 for a better looking girl than what was in front of us. This is how the johns battle back and set the market for pootang. Still on my trip, paid no more than 2000 for the prime pussy under 25 years old, mostly 1500. So all this price increases really don't affect those who have upped their own game and knowledge. It just screws over the tourists and those who don't know where else to look. I can tell you from a personal experience that if you are able to link up with younger Thai guys as buddies, they will show you a P4P local market that is much more fun and cheaper than all this mess. I learned about these girls when I hung out at 35 Dara Show just outside of BKK. The girls are 5 X better looking than what is left over for the tourists. They can take their drinks quota and shove it up their loose asses. Yes even bar managers and owners as well and those who try to promote on forums as well.

[CaliGuy33]

I think most of the guys on here could not care less if a bar makes money or not and we all understand that. However, if you enjoy going to Soi 6 because of the sheer number of ladies there for hire, then remember that if the bars don't make money, they will close and selling drinks is their number 1 source of revenue. And not the 65 or 80 baht bottle of LEO either. The lady drinks.

Indeed, the majority of us could care less if a bar makes money. And if Soi 6 closed, other bars would open to takes its place. Bars / GCs are constantly opening and closing, so who cares if Soi 6 was no more? My job as a monger is to get the best value I can for my mongering experiences. The bars viability and operability are not my concern. In that vain, 80 percent of my mongering is TF anyways. We all have our preferences. I know some guys hate TF and prefer picking up ladies from bars. To each their own.

[EverythingThai]

99% of the guys in Soi6 don't give a * about their business model. They go there for pussy. Thats the reputation. That's the reason soi6 exist in the first place. If its was just "because those bars sell drinks".

You are 100% right that selling drinks is the business model. But that's not the reason those bars exist. And more and more bars are getting out of touch with the factor why they exist in the first place.

Exactly. This is the norm NOW. Ask about ST / LT before buying a drink or tell her to piss off.

I know it's not directed at me! And for others it's good to read this conversation. We show an example how people can discuss without making it personal. Good job mate!

Yes the drinks are the price we pay for being able to go to a bar like this and have a lot choices on who to go with and fuck. I don't mind this at all. In fact, it's replacing the clubs on WS I used to go to. Instead of buying a bottle or two in a club, I buy drinks in a bar or go go. The club scene is a once in a blue moon thing for me now. Do I miss it? Dam straight. Last time in Republic, I met one of the hottest girls ever. But, I am in my 50's now and I am less and less interested in that scene and more interested in smoking my cigar, drinking a whisky and having a hottie on my lap in soi 6 or a gents club.

Correct. Always ask if the lady is available before committing to spending time with her in the bar.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. This forum is a place to exchange ideas and share info, not to berate others for their views and ideas though. The ones that get that, will get the most value out of the forum. They may not agree with a post, but almost for sure, they will learn a few things while reading.

[MartinFlevo]

In summary, the car dealership is the perfect example. Guys go into a dealership where selling cars is the main business model and complain about the salesmen pushing them to buy a car. Guys go into Soi 6 and complain the girls are drink queens when the business model of the bar is to sell drinks.

I compare to movies (because cinemas actually make money on the popcorn / sodas and not that much in the movie itself). Aka. Bars make money on drinks, however that's not the main reason customers go to bars in soi6/ WS. 99% of the guys in Soi6 don't give a * about their business model. They go there for pussy. Thats the reputation. That's the reason soi6 exist in the first place. If its was just "because those bars sell drinks". .

You are 100% right that selling drinks is the business model. But that's not the reason those bars exist. And more and more bars are getting out of touch with the factor why they exist in the first place.

Again, all these girls are showing the movie in Soi 6. However, if the girl does not like you, she won't let you bar fine her. I have never had a soi 6 girl refuse a bar fine ST with me, LT yes. But I asked up front before buying her a drink.

Exactly. This is the norm NOW. Ask about ST / LT before buying a drink or tell her to piss off.

If you want a no drink or few drink experience, see an FL or go to a soapy or something. In the meantime, and this is in no way directed at you, but again, if the guys don't want to buy lady drinks, don't buy them. But, don't complain about being pushed to buy them.

I know its not directed at me! And for others its good to read this conversation. We show an example how people can discuss without making it personal. Good job mate!

Problem is girls are a lot more pushy for drinks then before and that has a negative impact on the overall experience.

The lack of customers is being compensated by bars with higher drinkprices (LD), "VIP Packages" because it fits indeed their business model but NOT the interest of their customer base. So more guys go to TF and all. What makes the situation for bars even worse (because frankly they can't switch their business model. Prostitution is still not exactly legal).

We do agree on the outcome (don't buy a drink of a girl don't ST / LT). We just look at it from another perspective (bar vs customers).

Now, let me ask you a question. Why do you think Soi 6 has a main business model of being a brothel where selling sex is the main source of revenue? What are you referring to as the 'movie"? Sex right?

Don't be stupid. Ask her first if she is ok to go with you ST or LT. If she says "Yes" then relax and buy a few drinks and take it from there.

I hear what you are saying and you are right as said. Bars make money from DRINKS. However everyone knows most people go to Pattaya for sex. Nothing else. It's the prostitution capital of the world for a reason.

Keep in mind the business model of a bar is drinks for a very simple reason. It's illegal to operate as a brothel. It's already a grey area to "require" x amount of barfines.

And yeah. These days every customer should ask if a lady does ST / LT or not. BEFORE offering a drink.

[EverythingThai]

Your car dealership is a bit off. It's more like going to a cinema where they trying to sell you popcorn and soda without even telling you if they are showing a movie at all.

I beg to differ. Soi 6 is in the business of selling drinks. The girls are there to convince you to buy drinks. Thats how they get their salary. Let's use an example of the girl I know that just got fired from MOD bar. She worked two 10 day tags and was bar fined 3 times in each tag. MOD bar cut her lose because she never made her drink quota. End of story. The bar's business model is not the bar fine. Its the lady drinks and alcohol. The bar fine on Soi 6 is 2000 Bhat before midnight. Why? Because they need compensation for the girl not selling drinks. None of you guys will be happy to pay that right?

In summary, the car dealership is the perfect example. Guys go into a dealership where selling cars is the main business model and complain about the salesmen pushing them to buy a car. Guys go into Soi 6 and complain the girls are drink queens when the business model of the bar is to sell drinks.

Again, all these girls are showing the movie in Soi 6. However, if the girl does not like you, she won't let you bar fine her. I have never had a soi 6 girl refuse a bar fine ST with me, LT yes. But I asked up front before buying her a drink. So, your cinema analogy is not correct. They always show the movie. Just not always a double feature LOL.

Now, no offense again, but if you have ever gone into any bar in Pattaya and bought a bunch of lady drinks, its your fault if the girl would not let you bar fine her ST or LT. You should have asked. Why? What if the girl is on her period? It's common sense to ask. The problem is you think soi 6 is a brothel and it's the main business model. Its not. The bar is there for one reason and one reason alone. That is to sell drinks. Period end of story. The rest is just entertainment for us to keep coming back to buy drinks. It all leads to buying drinks.

If you want a no drink or few drink experience, see an FL or go to a soapy or something. In the meantime, and this is in no way directed at you, but again, if the guys don't want to buy lady drinks, don't buy them. But, don't complain about being pushed to buy them. And if the girl is ok for the guy to bar fine her without buying many drinks, the guy should shut the fuck up and stop complaining and thank god other punters are buying drinks so he can do a quick ST with the girl without buying drinks because she has made her drink quota already.


Now, let me ask you a question. Why do you think Soi 6 has a main business model of being a brothel where selling sex is the main source of revenue? What are you referring to as the 'movie"? Sex right?

Don't be stupid. Ask her first if she is ok to go with you ST or LT. If she says "Yes" then relax and buy a few drinks and take it from there.

[MartinFlevo]

As I said before, high season is not going according to plan. The girls have not made their drink quotas and now the girls are panicking. It's busy but there are still more ladies than required. Thats why they are pushing for drinks. Their salaries get reduced if they don't meet their drink quote. In Soi 6, salaries have always been dependent on how many drinks they get. This has not changed. Why guys complain about it is beyond me. It's like going into a car dealership and complaining about the sales person trying to sell you a car. it's like going into any shop and then complaining about them trying to sell you something. They can choose to go or not to go to Soi 6 or even bars in general. The best part about Pattaya is there is something for everyone in every budget range. The guys that don't want to buy lady drinks are the guys the always try to put the square peg in the round hole. It does not fit right. They should go with the Fls then or just keep their mouthes shut the fuck up and enjoy the quick ST on soi 6 at the expense of the guys that buy drinks whenever the girls allow.

Well the problem these days is girls not even looking for sex that much anymore (100TH for a drink in some agogos already! And a 20 K+ 10 day / tag). Before (as said) drinks was a way to get things started. Now for too many girls it is the END goal.

Combine this with the high spending Koreans who barfine for party only and you will see that the current business model is damaged.

You're right a lot of guys should avoid the bars for exactly the reason I just gave. And there you go. Less customers, less drinks, more pushy girls. And that already in a market that's 30% down since covid. Probably 1/3 of the bars need to go before things getting "better".

Less bars = Less need to increase salaries (decrease salaries?) = more customers per bar, more ladies per bar.

So of course guys complain! Your car dealership is a bit off. Its more like going to a cinema where they trying to sell you popcorn and soda without even telling you if they are showing a movie at all.