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  1. #27863

    Pattaya Trip Report, Day 12, Sunday, April 28,2019

    Secret girl left for several days off with family. I am hoping Chinese girl will get back with me about some plans and arrangements as she has the day. I begin to contemplate canceling my 3 days in Bangkok and just staying in Pattaya, and if I don't gain confidence from China girl I will call up my Thai GF and try to spend the remaining time with her. So, with some decisions made I find my spirits getting better and the blues lifting, along with my health. I devote considerable time to these reports and don't leave the hotel for Soi 6 until mid-afternoon.

    Arriving on Soi 6 around 2:30 PM I noticed a fairly cute girl outside Sexy in the City. One of the other girls who saw me looking called me over and encouraged me to take that girl, saying she was new. The girl, Gif, did not look like the typical Issan girl. I said Hello, and the girl revealed some pretty decent English as well as some personality and confidence. I took her inside to chat and learned she is from Bangkok and was a university student. She is in Pattaya to make some money for school, though it appears her parents are not exactly destitute. She was thrilled to learn I was from the USA and she expressed her great desire to go to California to visit Disneyland. I said she should go to Orlando. She mentioned that she had tried for a visa but despite being a student and have 300,000 cash in the bank she was denied. Yikes. That did not bode well from my Thai GF getting in. But she joked about me getting her a marriage visa but that she would leave me after she gets in. I joked back that I might not let her go! The girl was certainly attractive with nice legs and decent enough figure, but not beautiful. I guess she looked like the college girl next door whose personality and looks certainly made you lust after her. She claimed to be 20 and I believe it. She was not concerned about my age. I enjoyed chatting with her but she was not there to chat. So I finally bar fined her at the rate of 400 for the bar and the standard 1,000 for her.

    The upstairs decor was not the worst, but we were in a tiny room that barely held a small, one-person bed with a shower and toilet crammed in. She started to help me undress and when my pants were down she started a decent BJ. That was a first for me. A BJ during pants removal. That got my Johnson's full attention. But we resumed the undressing, helping each other remove out close. She skipped the shower and we got straight to the action. She laid back with legs handing off the side of the bed and I put on a condom and entered her. She was not particularly wet so I broke out the lube I had fortunately brought with me today which made it better. She was making lots of sounds that just seemed to fake and the whole session was going south and I was wondering what the heck was happening? She had been so delightful downstairs and now I just wasn't feeling is mentally nor physically. We did several positions but it just wasn't working. I finally gave up but, to her credit, she climbed on top of me and rode me hard in cowgirl until she collapsed. There was no sympathy for me (no come) and we headed to she shower where she cleaned me up nicely. So, yeah, we didn't hit if off sexually but I guess I can't fault her performance too much, other than the faked moans. Neither of us said anything more about her coming to America with me, and I did not raise the issue of us sharing emails in case she got her visa and wanted me to show her Orlando's attractions. As I write this I am still a bit confused as to how things went downhill even though the sex, in retrospect, was actually that bad I guess. But really, she was a delight to talk to at the beginning, but ended up like being, well, just another Soi 6 girl at the end. Strange. But, well, an 8 perhaps for face, a 7 to 8 on body and I guess 7 for performance.

    I left and proceeded west before being called over by Oi from Foxy. The name was familiar and she said we have seen either other, but I have no recollection. She was a larger girl, close to being chubby, and I can't imagine she was a top choice of mine in the past. She recalled me from around New Years, but I have never been in during such a time. She is either lying to get me to go with her again, or has me mixed up with someone else, or maybe has her time confused. I don't know and I am not going to go back and check records now. She was pleasant with good English but I left, not being interested.

    I left but didn't want to proceed much farther west with Horny Bar up ahead and Jin (I am bad), so exited via Soi 6/1. I decided to head down to Soi 13/3 to search for the Kitten club that was discussed on ISG today. I took the bus down but couldn't find the club, so I went to 13/1 to Supinida massage and Aom. I didn't bother with the "special" this time, and got a more complete massage this time with no sexual activity. I gave her 300 tip. I was hoping she might have offered FS but she didn't. I don't know that I will see again. But if you guys want a steady, decent BJ from a sweet girl, you may wish to try her out. She is not a tiny girl, but not exactly overweight with an almost classically beautiful face and certainly easy to look at.

    I walked to Central Festival for dinner, repeating my buying a quarter chicken and some salid stuff in the food market and eating there. I was expecting to lose some inches in the waist while here but I cannot tell I have slimmed down at all, despite I now eating fewer fewer, and burning more, calories. Oh well. After dinner I returned to the hotel to write this stuff down before I forget.

    I acknowledge I have been pretty much ignoring the Walking Street gogos. Part of this is that I know the odds of finding a girl who gives a fraction of the performance I am getting on Soi is low. However, there are more hotties there than on Soi 6 and I am quite willing to spend the extra bucks to have a hottie. So, I do want to go back to WS to bar fine a hottie. Perhaps the fact I am going alone rather than with Monkey Paw and / or Banana Boy is inhibiting me. More fun to go to gogo with a friend than alone.

    Anyway, after dinner I headed back to Soi 6 and met Aung at Playgirls. Nice face but the rest of her wasn't the greatest and her English was very poor and there was simply no connection between us. I finally said I needed to leave and got out of there. I next went to Kawaii Bar and met the delightful Eve. She was tall, 30, had some curves who I decided to bar fine as an experiment. That is, she was a larger-framed girl and I could tell she had some flab with smallish boobs, but I liked the curves and her personality and I wondered how things might go with her even though she was not quite my preferred type. Well, my instincts were correct for sure, as she was a BJ expert. She got me so close as she kept going on and on with such joy. She must love giving blow jobs as she smiled and laughed and tried really hard to get me off. Regular sex was fine and as she appeared to have fun I had fun. No success, but not her fault. And no, not a beauty, but a great personality with decent English that made her fun.

    After her I went on down the Horny Bar to see Jin. Jin was starting her period and was not feeling well. She was going to bar fine herself at 11 PM so upstairs to sleep. I let her get 2 lady drinks before I left, but she was in some pain and the loudness of the music was not helping. Poor girl.

    I went back to Soi 7/8, ate a sandwich at Subway, then decided to visit one of the bars close to Second Road. I let a spinner drag me in, but when she started speaking it was with with most abrasive voice to where I couldn't stand to listen. Heck, she might have been a ladyboy, but I hightailed it out of there then went back to my hotel.

    So today, I had college girl Gif at Sexy in the City and Eve from Kawaii for a delightful time with a more average-looking woman. And no, I did not hear back from China girl. She had the whole day free (not that she wasn't busy) to at least acknowledge me. (But more to come.).

  2. #27862

    Ridiculous.

    Quote Originally Posted by ElMexicant  [View Original Post]
    He told me there was a 500 entrance fee and one drink minimum to which was no problem for me
    I guess if you have the coin then go for it. I have witnessed some ordinary behaviour by many nationalities but you Indian guys really get a bad rap. I'm not sure if it's because of the one girl for five guys chat or a misunderstanding that the middle Eastern men are Indian? I personally think that I have seen The Middle eastern Mongers display shitter form than you guys.

    Being a Farang who has been on the end of "Thainess" pricing I can side with you in regards to the greedy Thai. But as you have reported if you are prepared to drop cash then you will get what you want. Others on here have different views but in this country everything has a price and is easily obtainable within reason. 500 THB is very high though. 300 THB and the BS drink policy would suffice IMO.

  3. #27861
    Quote Originally Posted by Raphael92  [View Original Post]
    I always wanted to try a suit and I own a few elegant suits but never tried to wear it in WS because I felt that wearing a suit there might feel weird or awkward because I've never seen anyone in a suit so far. But, I will give it a shot. My hair is crew cut and have observed that they tend to let me in much quicker if my facial hair is shaved
    No no no. DO NOT wear a suit to Pattaya gogo bars. imo it will come across as someone trying way too hard not to mention you will be boiling hot. This may be ok in Bangkok as girls may think you are getting off work but no one wears a suit in Pattaya, not even the guys selling suits.

    AFAIK being unshaven and having facial hair is not attractive for most Thai girls. I point out some guys who look like Duck Dynasty to girls and I can see them cringe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon 95  [View Original Post]
    If you try to enter on your own, don't go there when they are busy. Go there late like at 2 AM for your first time.
    Or go when the bar first opens. Baccara opens at 7:30 pm and girls trickle in over the next hour.

    Quote Originally Posted by ElMexicant  [View Original Post]
    there was a small stature's girl who was about half the size of the others who wanted me to buy her a drink. I tried to get her to sit with me for free, but she said she had to go upstairs and dance.
    There's an upstairs at Crazy House in Pattaya? Maybe this is where Rob Jones has been finding his hot girls?

    Of course she left you. Why would she want to sit with you for free?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElMexicant  [View Original Post]
    Next up was the Palace which was across the way. I was stopped at the door because the doorman told me it was a special party. I glanced inside and the girls were wearing special outfits. He told me there was a 500 entrance fee and one drink minimum to which was no problem for me. After I paid him my entrance fee, he lead me inside and sat me at the VIP area near the door by the deejay
    There was no special party. Palace girls often wear matching outfits. There are always topless models at Palace with their first set starting right after 9 pm. Being near the DJ area is not the VIP area. It's a regular seat.

    Quote Originally Posted by ElMexicant  [View Original Post]
    I saw another hot girl and asked about sex and it was too bad she was menstruating at the time. <snip> I asked the stunner how much to take her out to which she said that she was only a promo girl and not for take out.
    Although possible the girl was on her period it was likely an excuse because she wasn't interested in being barfined by you. If MP were still around he could confirm this but we only know of a single girl at Palace who does not barfine. Chances are literally 100 to 1 that this was not the girl you sat with. The promo girl excuse was a line.

    Don't mean to sound harsh but my post is to educate new guys. Pattaya is not Bangkok, I've seen Farang, Asian, and Indian guys get rejected in Pattaya gogo bars all the time. I appreciate your review, ElMexicant.

  4. #27860
    Quote Originally Posted by Raphael92  [View Original Post]
    I've experienced this 'order something before entering the bar' thing in Nana Plaza a lot, but this is fine by me as long as they let me in. They usually let me in if I am alone, but if two Indians (for example my travel buddy) try to enter together, not sure what hell breaks loose, they deny entry to the same bar which I entered my last trip alone. I am planning my next solo trip again to Thailand, fingers crossed.
    The other night, I was hunting alone on Walking Street and had success. First at around 8:00, I tried the Crazy House where there was a small stature's girl who was about half the size of the others who wanted me to buy her a drink. I tried to get her to sit with me for free, but she said she had to go upstairs and dance. I saw another hot girl and asked about sex and it was too bad she was menstruating at the time. There were plenty of other stunners, but the club was to small and dark so I left to find a better place. Next up was the Palace which was across the way. I was stopped at the door because the doorman told me it was a special party. I glanced inside and the girls were wearing special outfits. He told me there was a 500 entrance fee and one drink minimum to which was no problem for me. After I paid him my entrance fee, he lead me inside and sat me at the VIP area near the door by the deejay. I saw the hottest stunner a 9 or 10, in there and bought her a few drinks. I stayed at the party until they had an excellent modeling show to which the girls took off their tops. I asked the stunner how much to take her out to which she said that she was only a promo girl and not for take out. Just my luck, I wished she would have told me earlier. She then went upstairs to the dressing room to smoke. No other girls talked to me because maybe they respected my stunner girl that much and was intimidated I was in the VIP section. It was about 9:30 already, so I left to find some food and ended up grabbing a very hot and sexy girl off Beach Road for 1500. She could have easily gone for 3000 or more if she worked at the go go bars because it's rare you see tall girls with light skin outside of the clubs. Back in the room, she told me that she started to get stomach cramps from walking and couldn't have sex. So I ended up accepting a quick shoulder massage, followed by a blow job and hand job to finish. All for 1000 baht. Not bad for a first time Indian to Pattaya. So don't worry about being Indian traveling alone chum, you van still get the stunners and VIP treatment.

  5. #27859

    Gogo bar entries.

    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon95  [View Original Post]
    Here are a few suggestions:

    1. You say you dress well. What does that mean? Try wearing a black suit with a white dress shirt and a nice pair of dress shoes. This will make you look professional.

    2. Make sure your hair is short and neat. And no facial hair whatsoever. Don't wear any jewelry like a big gold necklace. You don't want to look like a pimp.

    3. Go to Windmill or Sugar Baby. (I'm assuming they let you in there.) Ask another customer if he can take you to Baccara. Don't ask him right away. (Buy a few ladies drinks first so that the guy knows that you are not a cheap person.) Asians usually do not drink with strangers so you will have more luck with a Westener. Of course, you will have to buy him a drink if the attempt is successful..
    Sorry to hear about this entry refusal. It's a pain I'm sure. I'm Indian too and waiting till it happens to me but so far never denied entry as yet. I always go solo, no fancy clothes but clean and always in confidently as if I own the place. Once a guard started to say something in Pattaya but I gave him some BS answer that I'm from Mexico or California or something I don't remember now. But never a problem in BKK. In fact others in Baccara were all being told to get a drink but I just looked at pointed at the white dude (Bob?) sitting at the entrance who recognized me & just waved me in. Upstairs the mamasans are all smiles. I guess I have a lookalike heavy spender and reaping the benefits maybe. I'm not especially a fan of Gogo bars but may go there early in the evenings to get a couple of drinks before hitting the action in the clubs. I have barfined a few times from Baccara, rainbow in nana and also billboard.

  6. #27858
    Quote Originally Posted by BonusParts  [View Original Post]
    I was stopped at the door at Baccara and told to order something before entering. I said I want to look inside first. He said this isn't a disco so I got annoyed and left. Don't think I've had that happen before in Thailand. If that's what I had at the door they must push drinks hard inside. I was with another Indian and at red car they wanted 200 at the door. I don't know if that was because it was a Saturday night, we were Indian, or we were 2 single guys (or a combination). Other than that I don't think I've been denied entry.

    P.S. Don't make excuses for their racism. I know you think you're being reasonable by trying to understand their point of view but all you end up doing is perpetuating those stereotypes. You say you are well dressed, clean, and smell good but was denied entry. The only factor remaining is Indian.
    I've experienced this 'order something before entering the bar' thing in Nana Plaza a lot, but this is fine by me as long as they let me in. They usually let me in if I am alone, but if two Indians (for example my travel buddy) try to enter together, not sure what hell breaks loose, they deny entry to the same bar which I entered my last trip alone. I am planning my next solo trip again to Thailand, fingers crossed.

  7. #27857

    Thank you!

    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon95  [View Original Post]
    Here are a few suggestions:

    1. You say you dress well. What does that mean? Try wearing a black suit with a white dress shirt and a nice pair of dress shoes. This will make you look professional.

    2. Make sure your hair is short and neat. And no facial hair whatsoever. Don't wear any jewelry like a big gold necklace. You don't want to look like a pimp.
    I am truly grateful for your suggestions. I used to wear a leather jacket and that helped me get into a few bars, but the minute I return to my jeans and t-shirt few of them deny entry maybe that would be the problem, might need to upgrade my wardrobe. I always wanted to try a suit and I own a few elegant suits but never tried to wear it in WS because I felt that wearing a suit there might feel weird or awkward because I've never seen anyone in a suit so far. But, I will give it a shot. My hair is crew cut and have observed that they tend to let me in much quicker if my facial hair is shaved and not so much if I have a moustache. I will also try to talk to a Westerner and strike a deal. I've had experience on how to make sure they remember me after they let me in. This lesson was learnt in Crazy House and I always remember to tip the waiters and the security so that they remember me. I never touch the girls inside the bar, I crank up my shy character so that the girls who approach me feel comfortable when they are trying to make me feel comfortable. I will always respect women wherever. Thank you again for spending your time and jotting down the above pointers and I will make sure to let you know if the mission was successful.

  8. #27856

    Poison.

    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    Swimming in bad water in Thailand is very very dangerous. One village guy recently died after wading in bad water with a cut on his leg. Developed a fever and went to hospital a bit late, they could not save him. Not the first guy to die from bad water. In any doubt about water quality, don't put your head under. If an amoeba goes up your nose, it goes to the brain and is fatal
    Where I live in Isan the villagers avoid going into the ponds and rivers due to the huge amount of pesticides that run off from the fields into these outlets. It is very dangerous as the toxicity is at extreme levels. Makes swimming at Pattaya beach look like the blue lagoon.

  9. #27855
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaBoi  [View Original Post]
    Not sure about flying to China to see a girl who seems less than enthusiastic you are coming. Sorry but busy at work or not if a girl likes you she has time to message you.
    Better have plenty of back ups before doing something like that, unless you were going that way anyway. But definitely do not make a special trip. Like I tell the broads I know, if you have time to sit on the toilet, then you have time to send a message.

  10. #27854

    Live the Good Life

    FL Hawk. Thanks for another "feet on the street post". You will get no condemnation or ridicule from me. For me and you (and many guys not willing to admit it) spending intimate time with a girl generates emotional connection. It's not all about the sex. Yes, there are sharks amongst the WGs. But there are also some that no matter what you do you will develop some level of feelings for. They are not automatons but real people. And the more time you spend, the harder it is. Shit, when my Brazil girl and I parted ways in London I cried on the plane. How could you not? It's devastating to get so high and have to come down.

    You are living your best life right now. Just keep walking that fine line between real life GF with all that baggage and Pure P4 P. It is at the intersection where all the fun is imo.

    On China girl my thought is she is trying to let you down easy. My Japanese girl Rika and I corresponded a bunch but in the final analysis she became very busy right before ghosting me.

    That said, nothing ventured nothing gained. There is a bar called Maggie's in Beijing where beautiful girls are ready for P4 P take out to your hotel. If your China doll bails just go to Maggie's and drown your sorrows!

  11. #27853
    Hit Windmill first tonight since it's one of the few gogo bars open at 7:30 pm. Got attacked by a skinny girl with no tits named Dada. Sat beside me DFK, hands on action, and stuck my fingers in her pussy. She never asked for a drink. OK I guess since I'm not a Cheap Charlie she deserves at least a drink for all that. Fun girl to play with but no tits is a killer for me.

    One annoying old Farang running around grabbing any body part he could on any girl, including the chubby waitress. Girls were actually leaving their seats to get away from him as he was nearing them. Definition of a Cheap Charlie. No drinks. No tips. Just wants free feels. Shameful. Stayed until 8:15 pm and left for better looking girls elsewhere. There was a Japanese guy acting the same way as the Cheap Charlie Farang but at least he was tipping each girl 100 baht. Why do girls prefer Asians over Farang? Hmmmm.

    Pin Up. I like this place. The one I wanted tonight was immediately stolen from me by a group of Chinese guys who spotted her on stage before I did. Next time.

    Palace. Super packed couldn't even find a seat. Walked around twice. Talked to some girls I know. No seat so no drinks.

    Panda. Oddly quiet both men and girls. Again I only went to look for the missing ex-Sapphire girl MP introduced me to. Just as I was thinking maybe tonight was the night I had to become a tourist and hit Sapphire the girl I have been looking for miraculously plops down beside me. TBH I was a bit surprised she even remembered me since it was MP buying her drinks before and not me. She was prettier than I remembered. For me she is in my Top 5 best gogo dancers when you combine looks and personality. Sure the infamous Lala at Panda is better looking but Lala is definitely not fun like this girl from what I can see.

    I was going to do a slum night hitting Heaven Above, Yes, Super Girl, Naughty Girls, Catwalk, Crazy House, etc. Tonight but happily ended up getting sidetracked.

  12. #27852
    Quote Originally Posted by FLHawk  [View Original Post]
    She claims to be very busy with work and may not have had time to plan our tourist route yet, but if she is having second thoughts I would rather know NOW than have her text me the day before I am to fly up there to say that she can't do it.
    Not sure about flying to China to see a girl who seems less than enthusiastic you are coming. Sorry but busy at work or not if a girl likes you she has time to message you. However, I am certain Beijing has many many sex options. Never read the forum but also sure some of the guys even in this Thailand forum can PM you where to go find girls in Beijing.

    Re. Food. Go to Terminal 21 food park rather than Central Festival food park. Re. KFC. Thai KFC have chicken breast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raphael92  [View Original Post]
    Thanks a ton, I will heed your advice and try it out the next time I visit Pattaya. To be frank I did think of this as an option to either approach a Japanese or American guy who was travelling alone for help but was never able to muster the courage to approach them to help me get into a bar.
    By coincidence tonight I saw an Indian guy and his Indian girlfriend try to enter Palace. Behind them were 2 Japanese guys. Security stopped the Indian couple at the door and said they could not enter. Then he looked at the 2 Japanese guys and said are you with them inferring the Indian couple. The 2 Japanese guys said no. Security waived the 2 Japanese guys past the Indian couple. Then security says to the Indian couple 100 baht each to enter. Indian guy starts making a stink. I walked away as they argued so not sure if they paid, got in, or just left. I don't see this stuff often in Pattaya or I don't pay much attention to it.

  13. #27851

    A few suggestions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raphael92  [View Original Post]
    I am from South India and I've been to Thailand 7 times in the last 3 years and Pattaya has become close to my second home. What baffled me is when I tried to get in to the below bars.

    Baccara Agogo. Entry Denied.

    Peppermint. Hit and miss.

    Skyfall. Entry Denied.

    The Dollhouse. Entry Denied.

    Every time I try to enter the above bars I will be stopped by the security stating 'Entry for members only' and they never let me in. I understand that they stopped letting Indians into the bar due to a few Indians misbehaving inside the bar and doing their best to show off their cheap Charlie nature. I mean come on, there has to be a way for an Indian to get into Baccara, this bar has been on my bucket list ever since the beginning and unfortunately never had the privilege to enter the bar..
    Here are a few suggestions:

    1. You say you dress well. What does that mean? Try wearing a black suit with a white dress shirt and a nice pair of dress shoes. This will make you look professional.

    2. Make sure your hair is short and neat. And no facial hair whatsoever. Don't wear any jewelry like a big gold necklace. You don't want to look like a pimp.

    3. Go to Windmill or Sugar Baby. (I'm assuming they let you in there.) Ask another customer if he can take you to Baccara. Don't ask him right away. (Buy a few ladies drinks first so that the guy knows that you are not a cheap person.) Asians usually do not drink with strangers so you will have more luck with a Westener. Of course, you will have to buy him a drink if the attempt is successful.

    4. If you want to try to enter Baccara on your own: Tip the security guard. For you maybe 500 Baht. You need to show him that you are a big spender. If there are 3 security guards, you may have to tip all of them. I know this is getting expensive. But if you really want to get in.

    5. Another option is to carry a big wad of cash in your hand. I have seen others do this. (Not in Baccara) Make sure the security guard sees it.

    6. If you do succeed in getting in, you need to spend a lot of money so that they remember you. Then hopefully you can enter again the next day and the day after (preferably on your own).

    7. Also, do not touch the girls. The rules are different for Indian customers. This is very important.

    Good luck!

    P.S. This is coming from a guy who has been to Baccara over a dozen times.

    P. P.S. Skyfall? You are not missing anything. Baccara is way better.

    P. P. P.S. If you try to enter on your own, don't go there when they are busy. Go there late like at 2 AM for your first time.

  14. #27850
    Quote Originally Posted by FLHawk  [View Original Post]
    She told me she had a great time with me and liked me dancing with her and the way I was smiling with her. Just words to get me to spend more on her, or were they sincere? Truly, I don't think she is yet sophisticated enough to lie like that yet.
    I've read only your 2 last posts so I don't know much about that Secret girl except that she is maybe new to the business but my experience tells me that they can learn very quickly especially when they work in a bar environnement.

    I still remember during my first trip there, a girl (not even a bargirl, but rather a middle rated gogo girl) once told me something cute that nobody ever told me in that way. I had the feeling that it was maybe something that she really felt. But a few weeks later a completely different girl (they were not even acquainted) told me the exact same thing, same words and same way of saying it. It was impossible that they expressed these feelings in the exact same way if they were true feelings.

    Very few are really sincere when it comes to these kind of talks.

  15. #27849

    Pattaya Trip Report, Day 11, Saturday, April 27,2019

    Saturday.

    After seeing Secret off, I went back to the room and started thinking. Dangerous! I guess her leaving left me a little depressed. I missed her. But I also thought of the Chinese girl and of my Thai GF who I am essentially cheating on even though I have made no commitment or expressed my love to her. But were she to learn I am here she would be heart broken, and I don't mean to hurt anyone. I am sure I would lament my loss of her as well. Like too many men I suppose, we only realize what we have after we lose it.

    But in 8 days I am scheduled to go to China, but I am seriously wondering if the girl, my young and pretty tour guide I met on a cruise, is having second thoughts. I have barely heard from her. On April 14 she did ask for me to give her my hotel address so she could "start to plan our tourist route". I did, but since have only received a couple of short messages about how busy she is with work. I still have no idea when or where I will meet up with her or what we might be doing. I have my first two days at a hotel in Beijing booked and that is all the visitation plans I have! She claims to be very busy with work and may not have had time to plan our tourist route yet, but if she is having second thoughts I would rather know NOW than have her text me the day before I am to fly up there to say that she can't do it. Tell me now and I can make other plans, such as maybe see my Thai GF or stay longer in Pattaya to enjoy passionate and wonderful sex with my Pattaya GF!

    Update: She did just text me that she has tomorrow off (Sunday), so I am hoping she will find time to work on the tourist plans and let me know when / where we will meet. If she ignores me on Sunday then I will need to consider canceling on the basis she has serious doubts -- and she would probably be wise to cancel! I don't want her to do the trip out of some sense of obligation or whatever and be uncomfortable. I want her happy and to be happy being with me. My primary purpose is to have GF sex with her of course, though the odds are small of that happening I know. Secondary is to simply tour China with a pretty young woman (even if I have to deal with the sexual frustration). If we do the visit and she is tense and visibly distant from me, then that will just be bad.

    But yes, the Pattaya Blues came down hard. First, Secret girl is leaving town for two days on Sunday and I am finding I will miss her. Two, my Thai GF is being sweet and sent me a picture of her looking nice and I have to wonder why the heck am I not on a plane to go to her? And third, my hopeful Chinese GF is not being uncommunicative and may cancel or, if not, may turn out to not be so fun. Sigh. What a mess I have made! Haha. But I didn't feel like doing anything. I basically stayed in the hotel all day in a cationic state almost, unable to make any sort of decision. Too many unknowns and not enough equations. Most of you all will condemn me or ridicule me and you are right! Here I am, voluntarily in Pattaya and even if the Chinese girl dumps me, I still have my Thai GF or I can stay in Pattaya and have sex! I mean, are any of you feeling sorry for my predicament and glad you are not in my position! Haha. But I realize I have a fever and headache so I try to rest rather than deal with the issues.

    In the evening I realize I need to get out and eat. I walk to CF but nothing in the food court that is halfway healthy and lower calories really appeals to me. I went to the food mart and bought a baked quarter chicken and some greens from their salad bar to eat. I don't care for the way chicken is seasoned here, but I use a fork to tear off chunks of meat so the resulting chicken and salad is acceptable. (Why the heck doesn't KFC sell chicken breasts here? I know Asians prefer dark meat, but this is a tourist area and given the success of the chicken strips, why not?) I actually feel a bit lightheaded as I eat. At least the decision about my meal is a good one. Low calorie, low fat, nothing processed, no carbs.

    After dinner I finally make another decision, which is to head to Soi 6. Perhaps with some certainty of what I will do, my head clears and the headache and fever seems to resolve. I thought I would avoid Jin and even Secret girl to enjoy a different woman, but as I was walking down 6 I was paying too much attention to the girls and before I knew it, it was almost at Horny Bar and Jin was out front looking at me. Oh well. I went over and she drew me inside, ready to take me upstairs. I said no and instead we sat and I got my soda water. I limited her to two LDs and said I just wasn't in the mood and soon left her. I then thought "what the heck" and headed to see Secret girl, thinking she might be busy tonight. She wasn't and I think she was a little surprised, but happy, to see me. I went back inside with her and she was her old self. She told me she had a great time with me and liked me dancing with her and the way I was smiling with her. Just words to get me to spend more on her, or were they sincere? Truly, I don't think she is yet sophisticated enough to lie like that yet. I mentioned I thought she was sad or something when she left me that morning and she said she was still waking up. But she is to leave for two days and was bar fining herself to go off duty to sleep early as her aunt was picking her up at 6 AM. I offered to pay her fine if she would come with me for the night where she could sleep in a clean bed in quiet. She readily agreed. She went up to change and came down with some items.

    Back at the hotel we showered and prepared for bed. She was affectionate but the purpose here was for her to sleep. She had problems as she is used to going to bed at 3 AM, and I don't think either of us slept well. Her aunt was late but she finally left about 7:30, to return to work Tuesday afternoon. I admit to a small hole developing in my heart as I saw her leave. I only have two more days to be with her before I leave to Bangkok before leaving to China. And, no, I am not falling in love with her. But she is special for me and I will miss her, having to go home to likely months of no sex, especially no GFE sex.

    But to summarize, and I am just now realizing this several days later, but I guess I had no sex on this day. I must have, but I have no notes of anything else happening, so I guess this is my second sexless day. Man, I need to reset my brain again. Spending fun times with Secret girl is fine, but not to the total exclusion of others! Guys, I will do better.

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