Pattaya Reports

[EihTooms]

To Siansim and Tooms.

Why don't you go to regular bars in Pattaya to pick up girls? Why are you only talking about picking up and negotiating the service with the girls from GOGO bars? So that means you are good at games and picking up girls because you are good at negotiation and suducing hookers you are going to pay. ? As a Brazilian, I like to paly games and like to waste hookers time all the time. I often waste hookers time without having sex with them. I will do the same in Pattaya.

I don't know your life but if you can share some tips how to pick up girls in regular clubs without paying cash, I would say I am wrong.

For me, I am not a fan of Pattaya much to begin with. I have been there several times over the years, barfined girls from go-go bars, taken a couple of freelancers off Beach Road, cruised up and down Soi 6, taken a couple of girls from there, too. Have gone into a couple of clubs. But each recent trip I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of girls I see worth taking for any price. And I'm not just talking about the red light venues. I'm talking about regular, non pro girls working in the big malls, too. The only exception was I might have seen as many as 6 hot girls strolling around the new Terminal 21 mall a few months ago. Probably visiting tourists, not locals. 20-25 years ago, Pattaya was my destination of choice in Thailand. I spent many weeks per year there for several years in a row. Liked it. But not these days.

The main reason I mention go-go bars in Pattaya at all is because I suppose the "best" looking direct P4P girls in the city work in them. Still can't recall more than one or two I have seen on any one trip over the past 5-6 years that I would take. BTW, I am not talking just about their looks. I see girls in Pattaya who look ok physically. I am including their demeanor, attitude, general presentation. And the other reason I mentioned them in this discussion was because one of the challenges the OP asked about was the prospect of picking up girls in the bars. I assumed he meant at least some go-go bars.

I didn't say anything about getting girls in regular clubs to go with me for free. Not sure what that question was about.

[MongerForSex]

To Siansim and Tooms.

Why don't you go to regular bars in Pattaya to pick up girls? Why are you only talking about picking up and negotiating the service with the girls from GOGO bars? So that means you are good at games and picking up girls because you are good at negotiation and suducing hookers you are going to pay. ? As a Brazilian, I like to paly games and like to waste hookers time all the time. I often waste hookers time without having sex with them. I will do the same in Pattaya.

I don't know your life but if you can share some tips how to pick up girls in regular clubs without paying cash, I would say I am wrong.

[Goferring]

Those girls never turned their to interact with us. F that, if I couldn't drink fast enough for their golden p**sies. As previous poster said. There is nothing I am doing to impress them. Come earn your bhat!

LK Metro was much better. It was basically a positive reinforcement loop: I was having a good time so happy to buy some drinks. This loosened up the girl (s) so they were happy to give me a face full of titties or a fist full of mutt. None were exactly hard on the eyes.

Except KINK. They were a bit rough but allowed essentially anything.

[MilesToGo]

Dinner was pork ribs at Surprise Ribs. It's a little, hole-in-the-wall place just off Buahkao on Soi21 Alley. Great food and dirt cheap.

We then went on an epic walking recon of the southern end of Buahkao down to Walking Street via South Rd. There were numerous small bars and restaurants but all were very quiet. WS was just starting to open up but was still very busy with lots of tour group foot traffic. We grabbed a beer and a barstool at the first beer bar and noticed numerous cuties walking straight past us to the back of the building so we relocated to Utopia Bar down the back near the water front. Lots very cute girls with absolutely no social interaction at all. There were 20 staff around the bar and literally all of them were sitting with their backs to the customers, not saying or doing anything. The guy next to us confirmed that except being asked who he wanted to barfine, they hadn't said anything to him at all. To cap it off, my drinking budy was thrown out for not drinking fast enough!! I guess he was supposed to be slamming down drinks while staring at the backs of motionless statues?? I considered going home to put on some nice shoes and aftershave to see if I could break their icey facade and convince them to take my money and fuck me but instead decided to head back to LK Metro. There, at the gogos I hadn't covered the previous night, even in my shorts and sandles I was recognized as "so hansome" and soon bathed in bodies. Lots of groping, boobage and general debauchery. I'll admit I was ignored by the "models" at a couple of bars as there were guys flooding girls with drinks by the tray.

Enjoy. G.

Good to hang out with you G -.

Even with your handsomeness. Those girls never turned their to interact with us. F that, if I couldn't drink fast enough for their golden p**sies. As previous poster said. There is nothing I am doing to impress them. Come earn your bhat!

[EihTooms]

This is a healthy debate, albeit frustrating for other members who just want to view reports on what's happening in Pattaya. So let's just clear things up as to what the debate is all about. Is Game necessary to pick up the best looking hookers, at reasonable rates, for your requirements or is money and negotiating all that counts in the Thailand p4 p scene's?
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I generally agree with your summary on this. Of course, I am one of those who believes your negotiating skills are part of your game, not something separate.

I would add that if any of those options were really all about Money and only Money with no negotiating skills/game required, then the OP on this particular discussion would not have had a problem worth mentioning at all. He not only paid fairly, he OVER paid. If paying more money meant getting more of what you want in the Thai P4P scene, then the girls he picked up on Beach Road should have rocked his world in hopes that he would want to take them again and hand them another 2,000 baht for a ST. But they didn't. In fact, they gave him either middling and forgettable sessions or quite lousy ones. No surprise and nothing rare about that for punters who have at least some higher than basic standard needs and demands from the girls. These threads are full of Field Reports where punters not only pay a fair amount of money but more often than not OVER pay and still wind up with a crappy experience. That includes all the options you listed as supposedly requiring little or no game.

Also, we seem to now have near unanimous eye-witness testimony that seeing men who automatically and immediately look typically Indian (in a country where there is a well-known ethnic bias against Indians) walking out of go-go bars and night clubs hand-in-hand or otherwise suggesting they are clearly on their way to a ST session with an 8, 9 or 10 Thai girl is somewhere between never seen before and extremely rarely seen. Consequently, it is logical to conclude there are simply some unchangeable conditions that will require some punters to compromise on their choices. Same with guys like me who cannot engage in sex wearing a condom. I could spend a lot of time and money exclusively cultivating 8's, 9's, and 10's up for that with me. And it does happen on occasion just as I assume obviously Indian-looking men score top girls occasionally under certain conditions. But it would be a very heavy lift involving a lot of buzz kill disappointments to just focus on the top girls for that. For me, that is.

[Goferring]

P. S. : not too sure how often it happens but at Pulse GoGo in LK Metro I was served a SanMig Light that was off. Everywhere else the SMLs were fine. A little too nice. 😁.

[Goferring]

Dinner was pork ribs at Surprise Ribs. It's a little, hole-in-the-wall place just off Buahkao on Soi21 Alley. Great food and dirt cheap.

We then went on an epic walking recon of the southern end of Buahkao down to Walking Street via South Rd. There were numerous small bars and restaurants but all were very quiet. WS was just starting to open up but was still very busy with lots of tour group foot traffic. We grabbed a beer and a barstool at the first beer bar and noticed numerous cuties walking straight past us to the back of the building so we relocated to Utopia Bar down the back near the water front. Lots very cute girls with absolutely no social interaction at all. There were 20 staff around the bar and literally all of them were sitting with their backs to the customers, not saying or doing anything. The guy next to us confirmed that except being asked who he wanted to barfine, they hadn't said anything to him at all. To cap it off, my drinking budy was thrown out for not drinking fast enough!! I guess he was supposed to be slamming down drinks while staring at the backs of motionless statues?? I considered going home to put on some nice shoes and aftershave to see if I could break their icey facade and convince them to take my money and fuck me but instead decided to head back to LK Metro. There, at the gogos I hadn't covered the previous night, even in my shorts and sandles I was recognized as "so hansome" and soon bathed in bodies. Lots of groping, boobage and general debauchery. I'll admit I was ignored by the "models" at a couple of bars as there were guys flooding girls with drinks by the tray.

Enjoy. G.

[IMembr]

Need "game" to get extras from a prostitute. Read that 10 times over. Are you trying to get laid or trying to get the feels?

No one on this forum has game. Clearly the Korean guy, who many on this forum labeled as "5 inches, 5 minutes, 5000 baht", has the most game here. Think about that for a moment.

Congrats, you just agreed with a prostitute to CIM or BBFS or just a hand job. You both agreed to a price. Or well, you can call it "having game" if it makes you feel better.

P4P. Where the prostitute puts herself out for sex and expect you to ask for it, but you have "game" when she agrees to have sex for money. Thus, every monger in Thailand has "game".

[Siamsin]

This is a healthy debate, albeit frustrating for other members who just want to view reports on what's happening in Pattaya. So let's just clear things up as to what the debate is all about. Is Game necessary to pick up the best looking hookers, at reasonable rates, for your requirements or is money and negotiating all that counts in the Thailand p4 p scene's?

To answer this question we need to breakdown the Thailand p4 p scene (I may have forgotten a few but it's only my opinion & experience BTW):

(1). Escort Service websites, Smooci, MP's, Kapoo clubs, Brothels, BJ Bars.

- No Game necessary, no Negotiations involved. Set fees & services offered.
- Potentially the most expensive form of p4 p.
- Girls work for a business / company.
(In general, you can be whoever or whatever, if the girl is available you pay the prescribed rate and you play. With Smooci for example, the girl has no idea who she is meeting, what he looks like, where he's from etc, she arrives, you fuck, you pay.)

(2). Online Freelancers & Street Freelancers.

- Bare minimum Game, Negotiations possible. Fees flexible & requirements discussed.
- Potentially the most cost effective form of p4 p.
- Girls are independent.
- How is there game involved Online (TF for example)?
If the punter has no profile photo or an obvious fake profile photo you wouldn't get a response from the girl, so create a profile, add a few decent pics and an interesting description.
If you're vulgar or rude, again no response / blocked, so chat respectfully, no dick pics yet and be polite.
If you don't seem genuine or you come across as a time waster by asking her for nude pics etc, she will easily decline and stop chatting, so don't beat around the Bush, discuss the requirements and rate and send her your location so she know's you're genuine.
- How is there game involved with Street Freelancers?
If the punter looks like a bum / hobo who hasn't showered for days, he'll probably get turned down but 1 - 4's may accept, so have a shower at least once a day and dress presentably.
If the punter is abusive, vulgar, rude he may get turned down by the 5's & 6's, the 1 - 4's may accept, so don't be a jerk, be respectful she maybe a hooker but she's human)

(3). Gogo Bars, Bars, Freelancer Clubs & Thermae.

- Some Game at least, Negotiations possible. Fees flexible & requirements discussed.
- Average to expensive.
- Girls are independent (But in some venues, employed and have to get drinks sold).
- How is there game involved?
Girls can easily reject you or give excuses not to go with you, yet go with someone else unlike the girls from number (1) on the list.
At Thermae most of the girls there have regular day jobs so they don't depend on selling their bodies to make ends meet. They go there for extra cash, the 8's, 9's & 10's are selective who they go with and may only frequent Thermae a few times a month. Some girls reject guys to their faces without even discussing a financial transaction, and I'm talking from experience. But if you've got some game, you can pull some of these girls too. At the gogo's, Tooms game includes persuading a 7+ girl for DFK+DATY+BBBJ+BBFS+CIP which generally is a difficult feat and then negotiating all that for usually around 4000 thb ST including BF and drinks, he's even dropped hints and tips as to when and at what time of the month he would go to certain spots as part of his strategy.

So to summarize, there's no negotiations or game required for Number (1).

Imo, most travelling guys who just want to get laid in Thailand use these avenues. Some of these are great day mongering options, are very discreet and work well for a monger holidaying with a spouse. I've seen some websites where girls go for.

12 000 thb+ for ST and over 30 k LT.

With just a little bit of game and negotiation skills you can easily get girls within your budget from Number (2). Most of these girls rely on p4 p to get by and I found it more so the case in Pattaya (Online Freelancers) as opposed to BKK.

In comparison, options at Number (3) are obviously a lot more fun, vibey, social, rowdy, scenic etc. Most guys can get what they want here but not necessarily who they want and with the requirements they want without playing the game and having game.

[Siamsin]

To Siamsin.
Let's be simpler.
Hooker is a hooker. In Brazil, there are many clubs with many freelancers where you can negotiate the price especially in Sao Paulo.

Can you build rapport with a non working girl and negotiate a better rate the first time you meet her? No, she is not hooker.
Can a non working girl refuse your offer to pay the going rate? Yes, because she doesn't like to be considered like a hooker.
Can you meet a non working girl for a freebie or reduced rate session? No because she is not a hooker, you fuck her without paying cash the first time you had sex with. So no need to repeat to fuck for a freesbie.

First the comparison to material objects like vehicles, then the comparison to a healthcare profession, now a comparison to ordinary girls vs hookers regarding if any game is required. We're going around in circles here boys. I've already agreed that Game is required for ordinary women here:

Game goes beyond WG's in that you're able to pull ordinary chicks from just about anywhere. It works especially well in Thailand where sex, sexual preferences and sexuality is openly accepted. Thai girls are far more liberal when it comes to sex and 1 night stands with foreigners, so having good game definitely helps.

Every single 1 of us has and uses some sort of game whether we know it or not. It's not just what you say to women, but everything about you, before you even say a word. Your demeanor, body language, attire, build, hygiene, multilingualism ability, scent, aura, approach etc. Hot girls get hit on every single day of their lives. Be it walking around the mall, in their neighborhoods, at work, gym, out with friends, on their social media accounts, everywhere... Having good game allows you to stand out from the crowd, be noticed, banter, and bed the girl you desire.

So your below points:

Can you build rapport with a non working girl and negotiate a better rate the first time you meet her? No, she is not hooker.
Can a non working girl refuse your offer to pay the going rate? Yes, because she doesn't like to be considered like a hooker.
Can you meet a non working girl for a freebie or reduced rate session? No because she is not a hooker, you fuck her without paying cash the first time you had sex with. So no need to repeat to fuck for a freesbie.

Are irrelevant as it proves nothing other than what I've already confirmed. Or are you debating about something other than game now?

And just to clear things up a bit, Dr MongerForSex who hasn't been to Thailand, never been to Thermae, never been to a Gogo bar or a Thai freelancer club is disagreeing with experiences that Tooms and I experienced in Thailand, at Gogo bars at Thermae. Then we have Mr E who mongers nearly exclusively with freelancers when in Pattaya also disagreeing with our experiences at Gogo bars and Thermae.

I think we need to compare apples with apples boys, not apples with Jabuticaba and Durian fruit.

Thailand is culturally rich, many activities to do, good food, good atmpsphere like scenes and many other things.

100% Agree.

[RacShack]

Next time focus on the naked girl and not a bunch of gang bangers!

That was the purpose of the pic, the girls! I see still not the brightest one! LOL.

[WrongGuy]

First night in Pattaya. Just wanted to explore the area and nothing else. But somehow found myself in front of windmill.

Good crowed for Monday. Very bored looking girls on stage. 3 groups of Indian tourists on ground floor and 2 on first. So, couldn't find a suitable seat. Went upstairs, same situation, came back down and sat on shower / bath side. This was moment when an embarrassed looking German guy was invited to use some veges on one of the girls.

Finally saw two better looking ladies on table near the stairs. Grabbed a stool, and found myself staring a clean bare vagina. Number 154, 253 or 153, 253. Finishes their dance and sat with me. Found two sets on nice firms buttocks in my hands. Rubbing was not only welcomed it was invited as well. After a couple of minutes felt some noistness on my right hand. Must have hit some spot. 3 some was offered but politely declined. Too tired for anything else. Service girl requested a drink I said if you can go on stage I will buy you one.

Girls sat there with me for about 20 min and then went to do their duo on stage. Good chemistry between the two. One of them said she has a long dildo that both can use together.

Damage. Paid 169 b for my chivas, 520 for another chivas and 2 LD. Left 80 b tip for serving girl.

[Banana Boi]

any body else have a photo of themselves parting in Baccara?

Next time focus on the naked girl and not a bunch of gang bangers!

[EihTooms]

Must be the YMMV thing. Of all the hookers I have fucked in Thailand you have seen me complaining about the service of probably none. For some reason I always get great service from a chick without kissing her ass. I also never hear about people in my circle having to kiss ass or cater to a hooker in order to get good service. I always figured great service was the whole point of Thailand. That is why I had to ask G what is it that chicks are doing or not doing to make the session bad.

The way you are talking every chick you run into is like a Tijuana street girl where you have to specify each individual thing you want to do with her upfront. Only thing I have ever found the need to do that with is anal. And even still I have not had to buy a ton of drinks or pay extra money for such. Maybe that is why I am not understanding. We have totally different experiences.

Well, if by "kissing her ass and catering to her" you mean some of the tips for improved negotiation skills/game you've read and by "in my circle" you mean posters on this site, I believe you have read and heard of a lot of people not particularly impressed by the quality of service they get in the Thai P4P scene.

Re-read the original post that kicked off just this latest discussion and you will find the issue of merely getting a girl to "go with him" was a minor portion of it. As was his paying the money for it. So much for that "money gets it done" adage. Not fully, not in Thailand and most likely not if you pay the money upfront to Thai FLs. Instead, most of his issues were about improving his results after getting the girl in his room or being alone with her in a massage shop.

He got a couple of Beach Road girls and at least one night club girl to "go with him". But, unlike you apparently, what he got for his money was nothing to write home about, at best. Paying Upfront, the girl laying down new rules in the room, typical pitfalls.

Yes, some of the girls in the bars would not engage with him. But it seems the greater reason he did not arrange to have the girls who DID engage with him to "go with him" was because he wanted something more than standard fare from them (LT) and was not willing to pay the 5000+ baht they were quoting.

Sounded to me like a perfect candidate for advice on honing his negotiation skills/game, unless he has since discovered only pointing and saying "Let's go" produces results he can't complain about with the kind of girls worth the air fare to Thailand.

But I am inclined to suspect that isn't the case.

[MongerForSex]

I can't believe I had to type out that previous sentence to clarify the point. lol. But I guess I had to.

Believe it because typing is a good game.