Pattaya Reports

[RacShack]

If you met MP you would know nothing upsets him.

He's open to meet any doubters about who he is or what he does.

I don't agree with some things MP says or does but I do have mega respect for the ONLY guy in Pattaya who actually knows more Walking Street gogo girls than I do.

The last time I seen him, he is still at fucking the hottest chicks walking street and Pattaya has to offer, real deal person, any body else have a photo of themselves parting in Baccara? If so please show, it's near impossible.

I have and seen photos of nuns and orphanage with money given to them, I'm just saying!

[HorseTrader]

LOL. That was my whole point. The seller is supposed to be impressing the buyer, not the buyer impressing the seller. Now you got guys giving tips on how a trick can win over a hooker. How did the game get switched around?

In an ideal world the seller tries to impress the buyer, but that isn't always reality in this hobby. Think of the case where a young, good looking Asian man walks around Thermae; many of the hottest girls smile at him. Now think of the case where a fat old farang does the same thing; the same girls look the other direction. This happened to me at Lords Palace when I picked a top end girl and mama told me she only goes with young Korean men.

It's more than just "no money, no honey." A few of the fat old farangs have charm and find a way to get more fun from the same girl than other fat old farangs. Same general concept with working girls and non working girls.

[Mr Enternational]

No I didn't. My reply to the idea of simply getting a girl to "go with you" vs getting something good out of her rather than basic covered FS goes all the way back to my post #27773. Other posters chimed in on that issue and that is where the "argument" has been ever since. And it even applies to your post about not "understanding why men court or kowtow" to a hooker. Now you know why they do that; because most of us aren't interested in taking a victory lap simply because we got a hooker to "go with us". Getting that to happen is not difficult at all if you don't really expect or demand much for your money.

Must be the YMMV thing. Of all the hookers I have fucked in Thailand you have seen me complaining about the service of probably none. For some reason I always get great service from a chick without kissing her ass. I also never hear about people in my circle having to kiss ass or cater to a hooker in order to get good service. I always figured great service was the whole point of Thailand. That is why I had to ask G what is it that chicks are doing or not doing to make the session bad.

The way you are talking every chick you run into is like a Tijuana street girl where you have to specify each individual thing you want to do with her upfront. Only thing I have ever found the need to do that with is anal. And even still I have not had to buy a ton of drinks or pay extra money for such. Maybe that is why I am not understanding. We have totally different experiences.

[Mr Enternational]

It wasn't your job to provide entertainment and endear yourself to the hookers, putting in effort to make things go smoothly. That was clearly their job.

LOL. That was my whole point. The seller is supposed to be impressing the buyer, not the buyer impressing the seller. Now you got guys giving tips on how a trick can win over a hooker. How did the game get switched around?

[EihTooms]

Mongering experiences have always been YYMV, after all it's not a Big Mac, but an interaction between two people where the chemistry varies. This is especially the case in Thailand, which was always about an extended interaction, rather than a 15-min one-and-done quick-bang brothels like many other places around the world.

However, here we are, on Pattaya thread, discussing how to charm working girls (beyond payment). That's just sad. Not too long ago (well under 10 years, maybe just 5 years), it was their job to charm us, and so they did. Most punters would have received a decent session with a hooker even if they had the all the charm of a wooden plank, looked decrepit with a beer gut, and had plenty of alcohol on their breath. Sure, not every session was the same, and yes, you would improve you chances slightly by grooming better and being somewhat nicer, but most of all by appearing as a good repeat or long term prospect. It wasn't your job to provide entertainment and endear yourself to the hookers, putting in effort to make things go smoothly. That was clearly their job.

I agree. And I think the creeping decline came about in large part because the girls kept testing the waters to see how little they could get away with providing and still get paid. It turned out to be pretty damn little with the newer generation of mongers. Eventually, it was for no more than "going with the customer". Punters are taking victory laps just for THAT. Consequently, now there are girls who line up in front of Soi Cowboy bars looking for all the world like yesterday's go-go dancer hookers whose "job" today is to merely "go with the customer", have drinks with him, maybe dinner, but NO sex involved.

Meanwhile, most punters feel under great pressure to negotiate price and seem to think applying all their efforts to that is the end of it. There is very little about what they're going to get for it. IMO, that is a major part of the problem and not the solution.

[EihTooms]

The game changed to the negotiation. Totally different.

What is your concept of "game" again? That some dude walks into a go-go bar all rowdy and loud or serious and hypnotic, buys drinks for everyone, does a 20 minute stand-up comedy routine or throws a magical zap at the crowd and suddenly five go-go dancers offer themselves for free?

Never seen it happen. Nobody has "game" like that.

Knowing when, where, how and with whom to negotiate is all part of the game. Anything you do in order to improve your results above point and pay is game. Anything you do to improve your results is part of the negotiation. Virtually no difference between the two. Your best negotiators begin negotiating mentally before they even WALK into a bar. It is intrinsically part of their game. Do you think a negotiation only begins if you invite a girl to sit across a table and start checking off a list of requirements? Such a punter would probably be a lousy negotiator and rarely get what he wants.

UNLESS all he wants is to get a girl to "go with him". geeze, I can't believe I had to type out that previous sentence to clarify the point. lol. But I guess I had to.

[EihTooms]

You have changed the whole argument. The argument was about being able to pick up the hooker. You have changed it to getting the hooker to do the special things that you want. Not the same thing.

No I didn't. My reply to the idea of simply getting a girl to "go with you" vs getting something good out of her rather than basic covered FS goes all the way back to my post #27773. Other posters chimed in on that issue and that is where the "argument" has been ever since. And it even applies to your post about not "understanding why men court or kowtow" to a hooker. Now you know why they do that; because most of us aren't interested in taking a victory lap simply because we got a hooker to "go with us". Getting that to happen is not difficult at all if you don't really expect or demand much for your money.

[MongerForSex]

You have changed the whole argument. The argument was about being able to pick up the hooker. You have changed it to getting the hooker to do the special things that you want. Not the same thing.

The game changed to the negotiation. Totally different.

[Crocodilexp]

Same with the purchase of a shirt at Robinsons, a Big Mac at McDs or any of the other comparisons and analogies to a P4P transaction the "I don't play games" side always makes. There is an equal, standard, expected and delivered result regardless of whether you chat first or say nothing at all, pay upfront or pay after they hand it to you, showered that morning or haven't showered in a month, etc.

Mongering experiences have always been YYMV, after all it's not a Big Mac, but an interaction between two people where the chemistry varies. This is especially the case in Thailand, which was always about an extended interaction, rather than a 15-min one-and-done quick-bang brothels like many other places around the world.

However, here we are, on Pattaya thread, discussing how to charm working girls (beyond payment). That's just sad. Not too long ago (well under 10 years, maybe just 5 years), it was their job to charm us, and so they did. Most punters would have received a decent session with a hooker even if they had the all the charm of a wooden plank, looked decrepit with a beer gut, and had plenty of alcohol on their breath. Sure, not every session was the same, and yes, you would improve you chances slightly by grooming better and being somewhat nicer, but most of all by appearing as a good repeat or long term prospect. It wasn't your job to provide entertainment and endear yourself to the hookers, putting in effort to make things go smoothly. That was clearly their job.

[Mr Enternational]

But not so in the Thai P4P scene. Maybe in some unique brothel in another country. But not in Thailand with Thai girls. UNLESS, as I concluded in my previous post, you really don't care about the difference between having sex with a 2 vs a 10, only getting covered FS vs DFK+DATY+BBBJ+BBFS+CIP with some consistency. Otherwise, you'll need to play the game by negotiating, showering that morning, refusing to Pay Upfront, etc. for there to be any chance of you experiencing more of the latter than the former on a consistent basis.

You have changed the whole argument. The argument was about being able to pick up the hooker. You have changed it to getting the hooker to do the special things that you want. Not the same thing.

[EihTooms]

Exactly my point Tooms, agree 100%.

Siamsin, the earlier incarnation of this kind of discussion was between the punters who said they hate to negotiate and punters like me who said but you are always negotiating a "better result" for yourself even if it is nothing more than a smile, a joke and flattering words.

It was posts like yours that helped further the point that all of these forms of negotiation are also playing the game.

As males we might long for the days when it was no more complicated than chasing down the females in the tall grass and pouncing on them. But civilized society forbids such a simple approach, even if you toss money at the lady.

Instead, we play games in the form of appearance, approach, demeanor, negotiation, charm, courting, kowtowing and money in some degree, even in strictly P4 P and regardless if we pound our chest and deny that we do.

[MongerForSex]

To Siamsin.

Let's be simpler.

Hooker is a hooker. In Brazil, there are many clubs with many freelancers where you can negotiate the price especially in Sao Paulo.

Can you build rapport with a non working girl and negotiate a better rate the first time you meet her? No, she is not hooker.

Can a non working girl refuse your offer to pay the going rate? Yes, because she doesn't like to be considered like a hooker.

Can you meet a non working girl for a freebie or reduced rate session? No because she is not a hooker, you fuck her without paying cash the first time you had sex with. So no need to repeat to fuck for a freesbie.

I go to a good restaurant after 5 meals, they give me one free meal.

Don't forget, you only deal with hookers and they all need money, they need money for their farm, lazy husband or / and unwanted children. It's not because you are fat like teddy bear, you look like a member of yakuza or you have blue eyes with yellow hair, they will run after you. They just run after your wallet because they know you are a potential client.

In my other post (the best looking girls were with asian guys because I find they have better taste. But I also saw asian guys with hags). But that doesn't mean they are the best looking girls, I just find them better looking but other people will find them average. I prefer Vietnamese girls over Thai girls but Vietnam is a conservative country. Thailand has many things to offer outside of mongering. I am happy about my sexual life and live in the most open country when it comes to sex, sex is not tabboo here. I don't need travel miles only to have sex with farmers, Thailand is culturally rich, many activities to do, good food, good atmpsphere like scenes and many other things.

[EihTooms]

Buying a car is a purely negotiation based industry, yet you do not see everyone driving around in a Mercedes or Lexus. Just like P4P, if you walk in the door with enough money, anyone can get one. The problem is that you assume everyone wants one. Bill Gates is one of the richest men in the world, yet he drives around in a Toyota Prius or Ford pickup truck or something. Maybe he doesn't have enough game for them to sell him one of the luxury cars.

It is PAY for play, not game for play. Again, there is no need to weasel (or game) someone into YOU PAYING for their goods or services. That sounds ridiculous.

The negotiation involved in buying a car is all about price. If you refuse to negotiate (play the game) and just hand them the full sticker price you will still get the same car the next negotiating fellow gets but for more money. Yes, even factoring in undercoating and the upgraded stereo.

Same with the purchase of a shirt at Robinsons, a Big Mac at McDs or any of the other comparisons and analogies to a P4P transaction the "I don't play games" side always makes. There is an equal, standard, expected and delivered result regardless of whether you chat first or say nothing at all, pay upfront or pay after they hand it to you, showered that morning or haven't showered in a month, etc.

But not so in the Thai P4P scene. Maybe in some unique brothel in another country. But not in Thailand with Thai girls. UNLESS, as I concluded in my previous post, you really don't care about the difference between having sex with a 2 vs a 10, only getting covered FS vs DFK+DATY+BBBJ+BBFS+CIP with some consistency. Otherwise, you'll need to play the game by negotiating, showering that morning, refusing to Pay Upfront, etc. for there to be any chance of you experiencing more of the latter than the former on a consistent basis.

I suppose getting only covered FS without any extras and with girls 6 or below is about as close to the kind of standard "shirt or Big Mac" result you can expect in the Thai P4P scene. Anyone ought to be able to cruise around town, point, only say "Let's go" and make that happen fairly consistently without applying more game to it than that.

[Goferring]

Dude you are the most patient guy on the planet. Hope you get laid soon. Do it for me!

Hahahah. I'd agree my posts haven't been the usual bull-in-a-China-shop typical of a new arrival. I've just come off 7 weeks in the Philippines so I've enjoyed bar hopping rather than desperately adding notches to the bed post.

No complaints from my side.

Cheers. G.

[Steve 9696]

I slept in as usual and surfaced to have a good walk around Soi Buakhao. There was a few beer bars behind LK Metro and many in the side Soi's. Lots of cheap massage joints and a strip of gents' barbers for those that enjoy a morning close shave. YouTube's Cheap Charlie was out taking shots / video of the Metro / Baukhoa area but I didn't stop as it would be a bad idea for me to be in a public video inspecting hooker bars. 😉.

Early evening I met up wih another subscriber and after we had a light dinner went back to Buakhao. In the evening hours they were still very quiet. I'm guessing the combination of low season and the approaching Songkran. Most of the bars were not worthy of a stop, full of older ladies. One of the side Sois did have a bar with pool tables and younger attractive girls so we stopped for drinks there. The girls were definitely cute but were sharing one neuron between the lot of them. He wanted ST (500+2000 B) and I LT (1000+4000 B) but after two games of pool my IQ was dropping by the minute in sympathy so we wandered off. It's a shame because the girls were sure attractive but I couldn't tolerate any more than a few minutes with them.

Enjoy. G.

Dude you are the most patient guy on the planet. Hope you get laid soon. Do it for me!