Pattaya Reports

[Sunlover2]

I've been in Pattaya for a week and I'm disappointed with my stay so far. I'm here for 3 more weeks and struggling to crack this honey pot. A little background, This is my first trip to Thailand. I'm Indian origin but from the US.

Try Devils Den. They have both in-call and outcall options. The deeper end of the pool, but DD has a non-descrimonation policy posted on their website.

From the Devils Den FAQ page:

Q. I'm Indian / African / Middle Eastern, many Pattaya establishments will not even allow me in the door- what is your policy?

A. We welcome well mannered, educated gentlemen of all races, colors and creeds. Anyone who treats our ladies with courtesy and respect is our guest, anyone. Regardless of where they are from, who behaves otherwise will be asked to leave.

SL.

[EihTooms]

Ha! Uncle Tooms, it seems I need to let you know when I'm in BKK next time. Bring a decent camera with, so you can take a few snaps when I stroll passed with a 9+ LOL. Seriously though, I get what you're saying and in general that seems to be the case. Didn't notice Much of that on my trip either. However I did see an Indian chap with a beautiful 8 Russian girl in Pattaya, and another Indian chap with a very cute 8 Thai girl at a 7/11 in Pattaya also, nothing of the sort in BKK, but then again I didn't hit the Gogos or Clubs in BKK.

Now I'm also of Indian descent albeit from Africa, so just want to give other Indian punters a bit of comfort in knowing that they can pull just about any girl if they got some game. Personally I had zero discrimination from the ladies, aside from the Thermae 'Asian Only' fan club, but ended up cracking some of them too.

Attached are some of the girls I met and remain in contact with. They may not be 6's, 7's or 8's in everyone's eyes, but some are definitely in mine. Yeah, their faces aren't blurred out, but these aren't sexually compromising photos.

Siamisin, I appreciate you agreeing with me on one of my two major points. You didn't notice much of what I had not noticed either, right? And I imagine you might be paying more attention to that kind of thing than I am generally. Of course, one factor I can't assess in your particular case with regard to your success in being seen walking around with "9+" Thai P4P girls or any of the girls in your photos is, if I saw you in person, would I even take you to be an Indian walking past me with your girl? LOL.

I have seen your photos with your face blurred out and blocked so it is not something I can judge merely from the portions of your body I have seen in the shots. Your skin appears to be rather light. You have mentioned several times that there is some element of "spin" on your Indian ethnicity that suggests many people might not think you are Indian. Or maybe I misunderstood that? Naturally, such a factor would not apply to the point I made. If most Thai girls would not automatically and immediately take you to be an Indian man on meeting you then your experience and my observation of it would be radically different and largely irrelevant to the point I made.

And what I see in making my rounds would have nothing to do with the girls someone meets in a massage shop or escorts arriving at a hotel room or girls who take their customers upstairs in a BJ Bar or other similar venue. I can only talk about what I see outside, walking around the red light districts.

But on my second point, that is something no one can assess by just looking around. However, I can assure everyone that if your restrictions are a P4P session must include either BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM to even begin to be worth paying money for, then you've got a very heavy lift ahead of you in Thailand if at the same time you'll be hitting up all the best looking girls in any joint. And you don't have to be obviously Indian to have big challenges ahead of you on that count. I am Caucasian (however, 65 years old, which likely is a factor as well) with that kind of restriction and there is no way I would spend much of my time and money trying to win over the bargirl "9s" or the best lookers in a bar rather than make the logical compromises.

On both points, and you appear to be agreeing with me on the ethnicity one, simply suggesting, "Hey, go for the "9s" or the hottest girls in the bar, don't make the mistake I see being made all the time, the only problem is in your mind, I see successes happening all around", is totally unrealistic based on what is easily observable to you and me, imo.

[Goferring]

I'm trying to not let my disappointment frustrate me. So yesterday I decided that if I'm unable to pick up a girl at a bar, I would just go to a MP and release the tension. So I did go to a MP yesterday on the same street as Benelux but a little further down. They charged me 500 for an hour massage and 500 for a HJ. The massage was just for namesake and got a HJ towards the end. I was talking with the girl and after the massage was done, I suggested that I could give her a massage too. She agreed and I actually gave a decent massage for her shoulders, back, legs and feet. She was happy with the massage and was joking that she should pay me for the massage.

Probably the best thing you could have done as everyone goes through dry spells and the girls can smell desperation from miles away. Get the first few shots out of the way, calm down and get on with enjoying the place.

Enjoy. G.

[Blanquiceleste]

Ha! Uncle Tooms, it seems I need to let you know when I'm in BKK next time. Bring a decent camera with, so you can take a few snaps when I stroll passed with a 9+ LOL. Seriously though, I get what you're saying and in general that seems to be the case. Didn't notice Much of that on my trip either. However I did see an Indian chap with a beautiful 8 Russian girl in Pattaya, and another Indian chap with a very cute 8 Thai girl at a 7/11 in Pattaya also, nothing of the sort in BKK, but then again I didn't hit the Gogos or Clubs in BKK.

Now I'm also of Indian descent albeit from Africa, so just want to give other Indian punters a bit of comfort in knowing that they can pull just about any girl if they got some game. Personally I had zero discrimination from the ladies, aside from the Thermae 'Asian Only' fan club, but ended up cracking some of them too.

Attached are some of the girls I met and remain in contact with. They may not be 6's, 7's or 8's in everyone's eyes, but some are definitely in mine. Yeah, their faces aren't blurred out, but these aren't sexually compromising photos.

Dude you should save your breath and bytes. The naysayers here will tell you that anyone can pick a few photos off the internet and post them here as "my girls". And then go on to write a long story about themselves and their own fetishes and fantasies.

OTOH more power to you, you have done exceedingly well, I like all the pics you have shared.

[ArisCasa]

Trumpers may jump, but this is what it is.

Most big city bred boys from India no longer visit places like Pattaya, AC and such. They either finished those in 90's, or it doesn't fancy them. They prefer more upscale places like SG, HK, Macau, European cities like Prague, Vienna, Barcelona etc. , because many Indians today can easily afford spending upwards of USD $ 1000 a day during their week outing abroad. Also Indians do not travel solo for pleasure, even with families. You would rarely see a single family with 2 kids, rarely. Its usually with friends or sibling families / cousins They mostly travel in minimum 3's /4's or more. That's a cultural thing. This travelling in groups is not most suited for mongering, as we all know. Go to higher end bars and clubs in Macau, HK, SG, DXB and even in BKK, so many Indian men play their PU game you wouldn't even know they are Indians.

Most Indians you see in Beach road, WS etc are boys from smaller cities and towns or rich rural farmers. Out to spend a buck or thousand. The type from western countries many of who have never stepped out of their countries, and who may not even be able to place Thailand geographically on earth. Its good these Indian boys from smaller towns and villages are travelling, unlike their western counterparts. You would rarely see an Indian monger who is guilt free and very happy that he is taking a business lady home for a romp. He is on the lookout always who is watching him. That issue many of you don't have.

Most western mongers one sees on the streets of Thailand, including BKK, are 50+, out of shape, fat geezers. Don't get me wrong, not all but majority of them. I know many of you western regulars here will jump and squash me, but that's the truth. They also have their savings and pension benefits and usually no immediate family which doesn't need that money. Being white, moneyed and unencumbered, even if the guy is older than her grand pop, is an ideal demography for a poor Isan farmer girl who has only seen brown skinned men exploit her all her life. Why will she again be seen with one in Pattaya. She is happy with a white walrus. Most of south and south east asia still has a white skin hangover from colonial days. But you are beginning to see the changes. You would rarely see a 50+ single Indian man on the streets of Pattaya, walking alone, looking for a 19 or 20 year old girl. Never.

For reasons above, you would rarely see a "sophisticated" Indian walk hand in hand with an 8 or 8+.

If siamsin hadn't declared that he is Indian origin in his earlier post, but if he had done that after all his enticing reports and pics, I am sure many of you board regulars would have been super shocked. There exists plenty superiority complex and a feeling of entitlement by many in here. Also see frequent bashups on Chinese, Koreans and Japs. Whether its 3 x3 x3 comments, huddle and block or if a Jap pays extra over and beyond to get into a pussy, jst like you would pay for backdoor, they come in tour buses wearing logo hats, eat kimchi, being loud, smelly or whatever, that's them. That's how they are. Just like the way you are. Deal with it or live with it. Shed those biases.

P.S: I have traveled 73 countries and pinned 84 flags on my johnny. I can take feedback and criticism with a smile.

[Banana Boi]

Siamsin, a certain board member disagreed with me when I said I knew Indians capable of getting top girls. A couple of months ago I saw another example of an Indian guy I know picking up who I think is one of the top 5 girls at Palace.

I really like these 2 girls, especially the busty one. Looks like a girl I know at one of the Thai PR bars. Far better than what I see most guys are capable of barfining. Good job.

[Raksash81]

Every time the topics on Indians in Thailand comes out there's someone to advice them to be clean and put clean clothes on. I guess they already figured it out by themselves before coming and asking advises to random guys on the internet.

You are correct. I was recently in Thailand for 2 weeks visiting usual places. Found it to be great place for mongering. Didn't face any issues of racial bias by girls. Rather I was aghast at the brazen attitude of cheapness shown by my fellow countrymen.

In a gogo place in Phuket, I saw my fellow countrymen coming inside surveying he girls. Instead of buying any drinks for girls, they want to touch the girls. The girl who was with me told me 'you are not like others. ' The girl didn't reject my advances. And I am not even in top 20% of Indians from fitness POV.

It is the same story in Pattaya also. I used app to catch some early bird before venturing into WS and girls responded in kind. Obviously the girls in this profession understand the language of money. However, in WS I found some doormen to be obnoxious. In Fahrenheit, the doorman allowed me inside first night without asking any question. Second night, the same doorman was in and mood to let me in. I had to call the girl whom I barfined previous night to get entry. Once inside I complained immediately to the Mamasan. She said sorry, won't happen to you again. Perhaps the doorman didn't recognise me from previous night, but it happened. In second case, another doorman didn't allow me inside Imagine. He flatly refused saying 'No Indian'. These are the only two cases of anti-Indian bias I faced.

I have similar friendly experiences in Bangkok also. One Mamasan in a Nana Plaza bar was hell bent on forcing me to barfine a girl. Didn't understand what happened there.

Also I found some guys are writing about not seeing 9 Indian with 9 Gogo girl. I found the claim ludicrous. I saw plenty of 9's with Indian of all standards. I saw CIS girls, I saw blacks also. In fact I was with a black in Phuket.

[Siamsin]

Maybe not even seen one with a strong Thai go-go bar "7.5" or better. I HEAR of it happening. But have not seen it with my own eyes. I have seen Indian men with very attractive Indian women. Not seen them with very attractive Thai women.

Ha! Uncle Tooms, it seems I need to let you know when I'm in BKK next time. Bring a decent camera with, so you can take a few snaps when I stroll passed with a 9+ LOL. Seriously though, I get what you're saying and in general that seems to be the case. Didn't notice Much of that on my trip either. However I did see an Indian chap with a beautiful 8 Russian girl in Pattaya, and another Indian chap with a very cute 8 Thai girl at a 7/11 in Pattaya also, nothing of the sort in BKK, but then again I didn't hit the Gogos or Clubs in BKK.

Now I'm also of Indian descent albeit from Africa, so just want to give other Indian punters a bit of comfort in knowing that they can pull just about any girl if they got some game. Personally I had zero discrimination from the ladies, aside from the Thermae 'Asian Only' fan club, but ended up cracking some of them too.

Attached are some of the girls I met and remain in contact with. They may not be 6's, 7's or 8's in everyone's eyes, but some are definitely in mine. Yeah, their faces aren't blurred out, but these aren't sexually compromising photos.

[HorseTrader]

Are you implying if there is a 9 on stage at a gogo bar who does not look or smile at you that you are supposed to ignore her for the 5 who doesn't stop smiling or take their eyes off you?

Biggest mistake I see in Pattaya are guys who think a girl is beautiful but don't call her for a lady drink because she's not smiling at him.

I've gone with both the 9 who doesn't seem to like me and the 5 who does (and a few 4's). More typically I wander from bar to bar until I find a 7+ who does seem to like me, then I buy the lady drink.

I've consistently had a better time with girls that seem to like me than the hotter girls who seem indifferent. I'm a farang in mid 60's.

[CamelToePokema]

Take a couple of pics and post on your TF profile. So you will get reply from girls who are interested in you. Put into your intro that you are living in US and visiting Pattaya for holidays and this will set you apart from typical Indian crowed. In gogo I would just talk to mamasan and may be even buy HER a drink. This will show her you are a bit different from rest and willing to spend money, which is all they care. And if she believes you have deep enough pockets, she will maker her best girls available for you. And when she makes a girl available for you just be a normal dude. Establish that she is interested I'm being bar fined. Talk to her, buy her a couple of LD and I think you should be OK.

How long you planning to stay in Pattaya? I am landing in bkk on 28th Mar. And will be in Pattaya 4-5 days after. We can team upvif you are interested. Best of luck.

I have an account with TF and have been trying that route. I didn't put up my pics since I would like to not have my pics out on the web due to privacy reasons. I haven't tried the go-go's yet. I'm assuming they are different from the bars? I'll try your suggestion and will buy the mamasan a LD and also buy the lady a few LD's if she is interested in being bar fined. I will post a review after that. I'm in pattaya till April 14, so if it's possible to team up that would be great. I don't have PM since I only have US credit cards.

[CamelToePokema]

Surely you jest sir! I think you are trolling here! I have never heard such a pathetic story in my life and I have met some losers. To prove me wrong meet with a fellow board member.

I understand how ridiculous this sounds and why you might have a hard time believing it. The people who stay at the same place have witnessed my plight and have tried to give me pointers to help me out. I'm definitely not a loser or a troll by any stretch of the imagination. In fact I'm quite pleasant to hang out with.

[CamelToePokema]

Wish I could give good advise. You may have to give soapies a try as the ladies there are consistent. Probably should stop going after LT too and just stick to ST. Maybe try Soi 6 and doing ST there. The bar girl from Benelux sounds good, so it'd be worth repeating every few days.

I'm trying to not let my disappointment frustrate me. So yesterday I decided that if I'm unable to pick up a girl at a bar, I would just go to a MP and release the tension. So I did go to a MP yesterday on the same street as Benelux but a little further down. They charged me 500 for an hour massage and 500 for a HJ. The massage was just for namesake and got a HJ towards the end. I was talking with the girl and after the massage was done, I suggested that I could give her a massage too. She agreed and I actually gave a decent massage for her shoulders, back, legs and feet. She was happy with the massage and was joking that she should pay me for the massage.

[Paolo99]

Are you implying if there is a 9 on stage at a gogo bar who does not look or smile at you that you are supposed to ignore her for the 5 who doesn't stop smiling or take their eyes off you?

Biggest mistake I see in Pattaya are guys who think a girl is beautiful but don't call her for a lady drink because she's not smiling at him.

Not everyone wants to go with the most beautiful girl in the place.

In my first years in Thailand I often fell for the very attractive ones (in discos), and almost always been disappointed ones in the room. Sometimes the disappointment was from her attitude but most of the time it was from her body, baby damages that were hidden or overused pussies.

Nowadays I would give priority to a cute girl than the one that every guys think is pretty.

[CamelToePokema]

I am of Indian origin as well. I never had a problem finding a girl when I visited Bangkok and Patayya. Reading your post makes me wonder why you seem to have such a hard time. What you said about Indians may be partially true but it definitely isn't as bad as you made it sound. Wish you better luck.

Your response gives me hope. I was talking about this with a couple of people who stay at the same hotel as me. One of these had accompanied me to the bar and he mentioned that it might be a good idea to buy the girls a drink even if I only drink Coke / Pepsi. They said that spending money on LD might help to get the girl agree to go with me for LT session. I'll be trying this out in the next few days and will post back.

[Paolo99]

Perhaps it's how you look, dress, hygiene, or carry yourself. You may be going after girls out of your league. There is something for everyone. Just lower your standards a bit. And remember, in the end, it's really they choose you. Not you choose them. That's why there are excuses. As for your pics, you should edit them with those apps that photoshop to make yourself attractive. It's commonly done.

Every time the topics on Indians in Thailand comes out there's someone to advice them to be clean and put clean clothes on. I guess they already figured it out by themselves before coming and asking advises to random guys on the internet.

I'm pretty sure that the problem is mostly on the punter's attitude rather than the Thai girls not wanting to deal with them. And a big majority of these girls are real trash and they can act like that with any kind of guys, not only with Indians.

I've personally met a lot of attractive girls that had a lot of Indian males in their contact, we read a lot of stories of Indian guys having a very good time over there, so this topic of Indian guys being victim of a big discrimination by Thai people is completely wrong in my opinion (except from some gogo's or bars doormen but I would mostly say that it's done on an economical purpose or from a bad attitude from some customers from these countries before).

In a place like Pattaya we can all meet a lot of people that act or talk inappropriately with us without having to call it discrimination, it's just that the place attracts a lot of *ssh*les, be it Thai or from any origins.

The place you try to interact with them is important, in my experience discos in Pattaya are not a good place to find a girl for a fuck unless you know how to deal with these freelancers but it's not given to every punters.

The best bet in Pattaya for a guy who just want to fuck girls is still soi 6, just go and have a drink in one of the biggest bars without trying to spot the most beautiful girl of the soi, if you see a cute girl there pay her a drink and interract naturally with her, if she doesn't want to go with you just try your luck with another girl or move to another bar and try again. If anyone really want to fuck, it's almost impossible for a new comer to not find a girl there.

If bars are not your thing, then go to gogos, preferably on soi LK than walking street for a new comer.

The most important in any interaction with these girls is your attitude and to be willing to spend at least the going rate.

Good luck.