Rio de Janeiro Reports

[ForceSteeler]

I got burned one time paying upfront in 2008 and I vowed to never do it again. Here's the deal, without a doubt it is customary in Rio for the girls to get paid afterward. EVERY GDP there knows that and if she says she doesn't then she's lying. If she asks for money upfront the likelyhood of her being trouble down the line skyrocket. I always kick them out if they even ask upfront even if they relent and agree to take it afterward. Just the fact that she even tried that bullshit says to me that she's running a game that I want no part of. I tell them we're done and I show them the door. Here's the bottom line, if she asks you for anything upfront then she's saying to you,"I think you're a fuckin idiot and you might just give it to me". I'll pass.

When I'm in a 3rd Country like Brazil Rio, There is no way I can pay a working girl up front. If she ask for money up front, I will kick her out and just look for the next girl, The only place where I paid a working girl upfront is in the USA. I can understand if a escort in the United States where technically its illegal for you to be selling your body. So she has to ask for money upfront, to avoid scams, or guys that will run out as if your a escort. You cannot run to the police, because its illegal.

[The Cane]

I know this is the oldest "controversy" in the monger world but one thing you're not taking into account is the point of view and experiences of the working girl. Almost every single girl has had a nightmare experience with a flaky and / or creepy guy who pays less or nothing than what was agreed on.

Actually, the oldest "controversy" would be paying too much, followed closely by paying too much upfront hahaha! And I for one absolutely do take the point of view of the providers into account. But what about all the honest mongers out here? Almost every single one of us has had at least one nightmare experience too! And prostitution is absolutely much more like getting a haircut than it is shipping your luggage with an airline, since it's a "personal" service. Getting a haircut, a massage, a pedicure. Getting your pipes cleaned is "personal" to you the "consumer" just like getting your teeth cleaned is! Paying for sex is paying for a personal service, and it absolutely is not common practice (at least where I come from) to pay for personal services upfront! Maybe the guy before me ripped the tute off, but I'm not that guy and will not accept being treated with disrespect by having to pay for what he did! It's like the antidote to racism. Judge me as an individual based on the content of my personal character and my personal character alone. The bottom line is that it's our money, not theirs. And despite what some may think, it's money that makes the world go around, and not pussy!

[Lonzof]

I got burned one time paying upfront in 2008 and I vowed to never do it again. Here's the deal, without a doubt it is customary in Rio for the girls to get paid afterward. EVERY GDP there knows that and if she says she doesn't then she's lying. If she asks for money upfront the likelyhood of her being trouble down the line skyrocket. I always kick them out if they even ask upfront even if they relent and agree to take it afterward. Just the fact that she even tried that bullshit says to me that she's running a game that I want no part of. I tell them we're done and I show them the door. Here's the bottom line, if she asks you for anything upfront then she's saying to you,"I think you're a fuckin idiot and you might just give it to me". I'll pass.

You are 100% correct. Too many women in Rio to get suckered. Just see them to the door and hold the HARD for the next one.

Lonzof.

[Mongmann]

I got burned one time paying upfront in 2008 and I vowed to never do it again. Here's the deal, without a doubt it is customary in Rio for the girls to get paid afterward. EVERY GDP there knows that and if she says she doesn't then she's lying. If she asks for money upfront the likelyhood of her being trouble down the line skyrocket. I always kick them out if they even ask upfront even if they relent and agree to take it afterward. Just the fact that she even tried that bullshit says to me that she's running a game that I want no part of. I tell them we're done and I show them the door. Here's the bottom line, if she asks you for anything upfront then she's saying to you,"I think you're a fuckin idiot and you might just give it to me". I'll pass.

[The Cane]

You left out a very important part of the puzzle: setting. WHERE you are getting the service from makes a hell of a difference. If it is a random street chick or VM girl then paying up front you are more likely to get a raw deal. But if you are in a reputable establishment such as a termas or privee your chances of getting fucked over in a bad way after paying up front exponentially lessen.

Yes, the "where" is extremely important. I thought about that as I was writing but left it out since my post was already long enough, and given the fact that the point you raise should be obvious common sense. As for me, I only patronize reputable establishments. I don't deal with random street tutes or VM hood rat types ever! So whatever their "swindle" might be doesn't concern me because those types will never have a shot at my wallet. I don't seek or want their services. Those guys who do need to be extra careful yes.

[Phunluv]

I know this is the oldest "controversy" in the monger world but one thing you're not taking into account is the point of view and experiences of the working girl. Almost every single girl has had a nightmare experience with a flaky and / or creepy guy who pays less or nothing than what was agreed on. These kinds of stories also get around fast on the chica network and scare the girls.

It's true that in the normal economic world, we pay after the service is rendered, although there are many exceptions. Plus, it's just plain unrealistic and silly to think that paying for sex is exactly like paying for a hair cut or restaurant meal (examples I've actually read here in the past).

For example, that airline that got you down to Brazil, if the flight was late and misrouted your luggage, you still paid in advance and didn't get anything back for the lousy service.

So the guy doesn't want a lousy lay or get short-timed; and the girl doesn't want to get cheated out of her money. Both sides grapple for the psychological advantage. How to get out of this quandary?

First off, with the agencies and escorts, these girls almost always ask in advance but don't often cheat you because otherwise, they start getting a bad rep (gpguia, etc.). Also I suspect the people who run the agencies strictly train the girls to get the money first.

For you guys out there reading this who are successful in business, if you were running an escort agency, after dealing with a couple of angry girls who didn't get paid (if she didn't get anything, you don't get anything), you'd be training your girls as well to get paid first.

Freelancers working in clubs and bars are a different story. Be careful paying in advance; if you do, more often than not you'll get mediocre service or worse.

Anyway if a chica asks to get paid in advance, I usually now give a short spiel about respect and trust and how I live that way and expect the people I work and deal with to live that way as well. I show her the money, put something on top of it not too heavy, and tell her it's hers once she completes her promise. Then I get her to say she promises to do what we agreed.

If she has any trouble saying it or agreeing, insists on putting the money in her bag, I ask her to leave (after paying her a small go-away fee). Sometimes, they change their mind and get with the program, and it works out OK (or even great). For other girls, it's an ego thing; they'll actually walk away with less money to pretend they're still superior to you in some way. This type can also have serious trust and hatred issues with men in general.

Some girls are sociopath liars, they have no problem promising anything and then totally renege on it. I don't know what the answer is for these types, these girls will lie and betray even the closest family if they had to.

But your average working girl is just a bit flaky and lazy. I'm surprised though that with this type, just getting them to say that they promise to keep their end, makes them a bit less flaky. It's like a little magic (psychology really) that usually works on this personality type.

[FuckAfMedDig]

When you go to work does your boss pay you up front? That is the quickest way to get someone NOT to work. Shit I got my money now I can lazy the day away. When a person is looking forward to getting paid they will put forth more effort working toward that pot of gold.

You left out a very important part of the puzzle: setting. WHERE you are getting the service from makes a hell of a difference. If it is a random street chick or VM girl then paying up front you are more likely to get a raw deal. But if you are in a reputable establishment such as a termas or privee your chances of getting fucked over in a bad way after paying up front exponentially lessen. Even at places like VM when you pay the money goes to the house, and the house holds the money and pays the girl after the workday is over. This way the girl sticks around. If not, the money would likely burn a hole in the girl's hand and she couldn't wait to get out of there to spend it.

Most of the girls at VM get their share when you pay the house!

Where you have a bit of leverage is if she refuses BBBJ / CIM and you can show a cash incentive in the so-called rooms there!

Once after hittin 2 out there I went for round 3 in my drunken state and found negra gostosa but she refused BBBJ / CIM so I showed her 50 reais and she sucked furiously for 45 minutes with newfound enthusiasm!

Just one experience.

[Mr Enternational]

I feel the same way. My buddy who is a 10 Year Monger vet and goes on South America Trips 2 x every month gets pissed when I tell him there were times when I paid up front. Yes I understand most don't get money up front. But I do understand why they would want it upfront. They are giving up their bodies to someone they know 5 minutes.

When you go to work does your boss pay you up front? That is the quickest way to get someone NOT to work. Shit I got my money now I can lazy the day away. When a person is looking forward to getting paid they will put forth more effort working toward that pot of gold.

Now the truth be told, in virtually every instance where I may have paid upfront (rarely), things have turned out fine and I've been quite satisfied with the outcome (not all of the time but virtually 100% of the time). But as you so adroitly note, the exact same thing can be said for paying afterwards! In other words, this all works the same both ways. At least it has for me. When I've paid afterwards (routinely), things typically have been fine and I've been satisfied with the outcome virtually all of the time, but not 100% of the time. Exact same result as on those rare occasions when I paid upfront! So why do people get all amped up over this subject then if outcomes typically are equivalent when paying for sexual services upfront versus afterwards (again this has been my personal experience)?

You left out a very important part of the puzzle: setting. WHERE you are getting the service from makes a hell of a difference. If it is a random street chick or VM girl then paying up front you are more likely to get a raw deal. But if you are in a reputable establishment such as a termas or privee your chances of getting fucked over in a bad way after paying up front exponentially lessen. Even at places like VM when you pay the money goes to the house, and the house holds the money and pays the girl after the workday is over. This way the girl sticks around. If not, the money would likely burn a hole in the girl's hand and she couldn't wait to get out of there to spend it.

[PatmarBeleza1]

Fantasypimpleague.

Jedi Patmarbeleza and soldier boy have a working girl wars idea. To be added, PM me.

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Pictures not words vader you are grown pathetic and officious, get laid, and send pics not of your palm hahahahaha.

[The Cane]

I've paid in advance and gotten bad service and I've paid in advance twice this trip and got fucked crazy porn style. I've paid after and gotten bad service before as well as paying after and getting great service. For me paying before or after isn't making much of a difference.

And what's your play if you are a pay after guy and she was below average? Not pay her? Pay her less than the agreed on fee? Then what? She's immediately on the phone threatening to call the police, security, her pimp etc. Then just to avoid the attention of the police you pay her the agreed on fee to get the fuck out of your room and life.

As a general rule, I don't like to pay upfront. It's the principle of the thing. I mean, in "real life" how often do we pay upfront for personal services? Services are to be satisfactorily rendered, and then the customer pays. So why should things necessarily be different when dealing with a tute? In my view, they shouldn't be. Not at all. But Soldier Boy, I must concur that you make and draw some very astute observations and conclusions that get to the very heart and practicality of the matter.

Now the truth be told, in virtually every instance where I may have paid upfront (rarely), things have turned out fine and I've been quite satisfied with the outcome (not all of the time but virtually 100% of the time). But as you so adroitly note, the exact same thing can be said for paying afterwards! In other words, this all works the same both ways. At least it has for me. When I've paid afterwards (routinely), things typically have been fine and I've been satisfied with the outcome virtually all of the time, but not 100% of the time. Exact same result as on those rare occasions when I paid upfront! So why do people get all amped up over this subject then if outcomes typically are equivalent when paying for sexual services upfront versus afterwards (again this has been my personal experience)?

Well, because there's always that ingrained resistance to paying for most anything upfront. From a haircut to some cunny! You see, most of us have been taught from a very early age about "caveat emptor". Let the buyer beware being ripped off and burned by foolishly parting with his cash to acquire something, whatever it is! So, that resistance impulse to paying upfront for goods and services is nurtured into us when very young and becomes a "natural" part of who we are as human beings and consumers over time. And with good reason too I might add. After all, there are far too many crooked people in this world. So, even if things are more likely than not to turn out fine when making a "transaction", why take unreasonable chances that expose you to getting little or nothing for your money? Right? Save that for playing the lottery LOL!

I guess what I'm saying is that I see where you're coming from, and what you say holds much logical and practical validity. But I see the other side of this debate too, which also holds water. As I tend to be less trusting of people (they've given me plenty of reason over the years not to trust), I still will always prefer not to pay upfront, and will stick to not doing that as much as possible. Regardless, you are an analytical and thoughtful man Soldier Boy who is capable of grasping and acknowledging the reality and practicality of the facts as they present themselves. Soldier on with your good reporting!

[Pipe Layer99]

For the Capt sav-a- hos.

No matter what you say, it's understood that you pay after. If she doesn't want to work, next. Go find another one. When I am in Rio, or Colombia, or Asia, I always pay after. And yes, when the girl reneges on the deal, I have held back some money. I had one girl in Rio back 2007 or 08, that I knew for at least a year. She had always been around but I never took her. One night we went out for drinks. Then we agreed to all night and sex in the morning before she leaves. We went drinking and all that jazz. Got back and had decent sex. She woke up a few hours later, must have been about 8 am and she HAD to leave. Yeah right. I said I need my morning sex, that's why you stayed here overnight. She said she had to go. OK. Here is 100 reals. Bye bye. Oh no, its 200! No, now its 100. You owe me another fuck. You agreed to sex at night and in the morning before going home. She says, that she will come back in a few hours. OK. Go and come back. When you come back and give me some more sex, I will give you another 100 R. She was all pissed (because she couldn't get over on me), but she got the hell out.

Funny thing after that. She calls me after 2 days asking for 100 R. Sure come give me another round like you promised me and I will give it to you.

Few more days pass and I see her at Meia Pataca, and she is acting all pissy and talking shit with her friends. I told a few of her friends, who I also knew from previous visits, what happened. They agreed with me. Why, because they about me and whole bunch of my other buddies. They knew that I have never had a problem and would always take care of the girls. Plus it was obvious knew that the girl in question was WRONG.

When you run into this crap, you have 3 choices. You can pay up front (maybe you will get lucky), show her the money, or show her the door.

IMO, Showing her the funds is the best alternative if you want (or need) to fuck right now. Then if she is not cool with that, then she is leaving with only taxi money.

I feel the same way. My buddy who is a 10 Year Monger vet and goes on South America Trips 2 x every month gets pissed when I tell him there were times when I paid up front. Yes I understand most don't get money up front. But I do understand why they would want it upfront. They are giving up their bodies to someone they know 5 minutes. The first time I didn't pay up front the girl got pissed and thought I didn't have it. We then compromised and I pulled the money out and set it on the dresser to take "after" sex. I would say in Rio only 1-2 girls out of 10 ask for it anyways. And when this has happened and I've given them the money they are very happy to see that wad that's more than most make in a month. When I have paid up front the experience has been kick ass. The last girl I was with in Colombia was on par with a supermodel and one of the best all time lays ever (see last field report). She asked for the money up front. I paid her for 2 hours -she stayed for 4 hours and fucked my brains out and would of stayed the night but I wanted to sleep and kicked her out. Do you think that would of happened if I said "no"? Well with me probably because I'm ridiculously good looking. So unfair question but you get my drift. I think many times the experience you actually have comes down to the chemistry and attraction that is created regardless of when you pay. Think about it. Your a hooker and walk in and see some old fart out of shape safado who has zero charisma or charm. Your going to want the money up front too so at least you can feel happy about something before you let that Viejo stick it in you! I think ultimately one should make a judgment call. Feel her out first. If she asks then make the call. Like my man says here. "What are you going to do -short change her for performance and then let her make a scene and call the cops"? Will her performance "really improve" by holding back? If she doesn't like you it won't matter and she will be out of there in 59 minutes anyways.

[PatmarBeleza1]

She was the first girl after all these years that squirted upon orgasm while I was licking her pussy, which is a new sensation!

Soldierb11 and I mongered over to Solarium after hanging at Leme beach yesterday with local wingmen; got two numbers out of 4 attempts; the force is strong.

Solarium generally sucks in performance though. Last year I banged Brenda, my only terma girl in the whole year of 2015 that I went upstairs with, and she turned out to be pretty bad in performance after maybe one good session in the terma; another loira with huge double the tits from Solarium was about the most boring bang at the apartment, though watching her walk around naked was nice scenery.

Went over to Bloco in Ipanema afterwards with a local wingman, nice to see carioca couples together after 13 years, and what real 33 year olds do, IE hook up with real 31 year old non pros with banging bodies; blocs are great fun, and the whole city is in a party atmosphere. Even at the pool in the apartment, everyone is pretty happy.

Sith Jedi Cartman fighting an injection of Zika from Princess Kamila sits in his copacabana deck, alone, writing constitutions while Obi Wan leads the rebels to climax!

Very nice Patmar!

Thanks for the photos!

Bom trabalho!

[MikeysHouse]

I've said that to many guys in Colombia before but now I think more about it I am starting to change my mind. Sure I prefer to pay after but I don't sweat it now. This is a trip to Brasil for me not a Brasilian vacation. The difference is I'm not here for 7 days and then going back to the States to work. 90% of my life is a vacation. Last 6 months I've taken two trips to Thailand / Philippines, 2 to Brasil and 6 to Colombia. So if I have a bad session or two because I paid up front it's not a big deal like it is for some guy here for a week and then 6 months back in sexual purgatory.

I've paid in advance and gotten bad service and I've paid in advance twice this trip and got fucked crazy porn style. I've paid after and gotten bad service before as well as paying after and getting great service. For me paying before or after isn't making much of a difference.

And what's your play if you are a pay after guy and she was below average? Not pay her? Pay her less than the agreed on fee? Then what? She's immediately on the phone threatening to call the police, security, her pimp etc. Then just to avoid the attention of the police you pay her the agreed on fee to get the fuck out of your room and life.

I feel the same way. My buddy who is a 10 Year Monger vet and goes on South America Trips 2 x every month gets pissed when I tell him there were times when I paid up front. Yes I understand most don't get money up front. But I do understand why they would want it upfront. They are giving up their bodies to someone they know 5 minutes. The first time I didn't pay up front the girl got pissed and thought I didn't have it. We then compromised and I pulled the money out and set it on the dresser to take "after" sex. I would say in Rio only 1-2 girls out of 10 ask for it anyways. And when this has happened and I've given them the money they are very happy to see that wad that's more than most make in a month. When I have paid up front the experience has been kick ass. The last girl I was with in Colombia was on par with a supermodel and one of the best all time lays ever (see last field report). She asked for the money up front. I paid her for 2 hours -she stayed for 4 hours and fucked my brains out and would of stayed the night but I wanted to sleep and kicked her out. Do you think that would of happened if I said "no"? Well with me probably because I'm ridiculously good looking. So unfair question but you get my drift. I think many times the experience you actually have comes down to the chemistry and attraction that is created regardless of when you pay. Think about it. Your a hooker and walk in and see some old fart out of shape safado who has zero charisma or charm. Your going to want the money up front too so at least you can feel happy about something before you let that Viejo stick it in you! I think ultimately one should make a judgment call. Feel her out first. If she asks then make the call. Like my man says here. "What are you going to do -short change her for performance and then let her make a scene and call the cops"? Will her performance "really improve" by holding back? If she doesn't like you it won't matter and she will be out of there in 59 minutes anyways.

[Ricker]

Pretinha, pictures 2 of 3.

Very nice Patmar!

Thanks for the photos!

Bom trabalho!

[Sperto]

The more I read on this forum the more I understand when friends tell me better not to share too much detailed info on this forum.