Rio de Janeiro Reports

[Junior]

The gringo fanbase eroding as they avoid violence-ridden Rio!

Monte Carlo I think is next to go and places like Barbarellas are in danger my friend told me who knows the manager- couple of Centaurus girls ive known for years told me its never been weaker there and they are doing more online.
Make of that what you will.
Things evolve as a result of many factors(poverty,crime) but Rio is defintely on the way out. The more integrated punter (portugues speaking, knowing brazilian culture, scouring forumxs etc will always be ok in Rio.
Centro is one big knock-shop literally and more clinicas and more trash spots will appear to please a broke fanbase as they are easy to set up and close down.
I cant see my beloved tier2/3 spots dissapearing as they are very cheap but with the new evangelical mayor in Rio and economic crisis,it could be a wrap soon....
Lets be real-many just visit Rio for the sexo and then cram the sights in on a sunday!lol
So if Rio loses its pay 4 sex-appeal,maybe SP will win even more.
Im happy i learnt portugues and always pursued non pros because even more non-pros will become the new semi-pros like in Dominican Republic where most girls except from upper class can be "persuaded"..its a logical result of the crisis.

I have been going to Rio for about 15 years and have learned to speak portuguese.

IMHO, the pro scene has never been weaker than it is now, but on the other hand my access to non-pros have never been better thanks to a number of brazilian friends.

Fewer tourists and a significant drop in demand from locals have made many businesses unsustainable and I am sure more closures lie ahead.

[FuckAfMedDig]

Boite La Cicciolina, is down for the count and more than likely won't get up for the count. Due to debts piling up, the economic crisis, low customer turnout and a lack of "dancers", it looks like they will be closing their doors permanently.

https://extra.globo.com/noticias/rio...-21704747.html

Frankly I'm surprised they lasted this long. But in such dire economic conditions in Brazil, I guess no one is immune from the reaper. Who's Next?

La Cicciolina R.I.P

The gringo fanbase eroding as they avoid violence-ridden Rio!

Monte Carlo I think is next to go and places like Barbarellas are in danger my friend told me who knows the manager- couple of Centaurus girls ive known for years told me its never been weaker there and they are doing more online.
Make of that what you will.
Things evolve as a result of many factors(poverty,crime) but Rio is defintely on the way out. The more integrated punter (portugues speaking, knowing brazilian culture, scouring forumxs etc will always be ok in Rio.
Centro is one big knock-shop literally and more clinicas and more trash spots will appear to please a broke fanbase as they are easy to set up and close down.
I cant see my beloved tier2/3 spots dissapearing as they are very cheap but with the new evangelical mayor in Rio and economic crisis,it could be a wrap soon....
Lets be real-many just visit Rio for the sexo and then cram the sights in on a sunday!lol
So if Rio loses its pay 4 sex-appeal,maybe SP will win even more.
Im happy i learnt portugues and always pursued non pros because even more non-pros will become the new semi-pros like in Dominican Republic where most girls except from upper class can be "persuaded"..its a logical result of the crisis.

[Spidy]

Boite La Cicciolina, is down for the count and more than likely won't get up for the count. Due to debts piling up, the economic crisis, low customer turnout and a lack of "dancers", it looks like they will be closing their doors permanently.

https://extra.globo.com/noticias/rio...-21704747.html

Frankly I'm surprised they lasted this long. But in such dire economic conditions in Brazil, I guess no one is immune from the reaper. Who's Next?

La Cicciolina R.I.P

[Bravo]

When there's chemistry, why aren't more guys inviting the terma and clinica girls back to their apartments on their off time? It's easy to make it more lucrative than their time at the terma or clinica. Many of the terma girls are young and unattached. 4 x4 girls are great because they have weekends off. Yes, I am very well of no shows, but I have had more success than failures.

Me thinks, most foreign mongers are lazy, don't learn a lick of Portuguese and think knocking on the door of a clinica is hard work. A little charm, a little Portuguese and a little money go a long way.

My experience has been thatthe terma girls want the same rate in your apartment that you would pay fro 1 hour in the terma. Kinda defeats the purpose of having them over if I have to pay the same amount. I might ask some of the prive / massage girls over and see what they say in terms of time and money on my next trip.

[WyattEarp]

You have to look a little harder but as usual when you feel the chemistry, you are pretty much guaranteed a good session. That hasnt changed in Rio imho

When there's chemistry, why aren't more guys inviting the terma and clinica girls back to their apartments on their off time? It's easy to make it more lucrative than their time at the terma or clinica. Many of the terma girls are young and unattached. 4 x4 girls are great because they have weekends off. Yes, I am very well of no shows, but I have had more success than failures.

Me thinks, most foreign mongers are lazy, don't learn a lick of Portuguese and think knocking on the door of a clinica is hard work. A little charm, a little Portuguese and a little money go a long way.

[FuckAfMedDig]

It's been 505 BRL for months. That's not new. I called them back in May and they told me the current rate was 505.

Still a rip-off then!

After 4 years in Rio I want at least 2 hours for max half that amount of money.

We put in the time so that should always reduce the outlay.

[FuckAfMedDig]

Interesting comment and the changes in girl's attitudes actually understandable. While us long-time Rio visitors think about the changes in Rio's sex scene in the last ten years from our own perspective, think about it from the perspective of a garota de programa.

The various expired venues where programa girls met foreign men in an informal, party environment was beneficial for both sides. The girls could go have a good time, interact with men who were willing to pay for their services and the allusion of a long-term relationship could be maintained. Just as the men could choose girls, the girls also had a choice in the matter. A fairly attractive girl could be selective and wasn't required by a termas, clinica or agency owner to service every fat, slob client in a small box of a room. A nice, decent monger might buy her drinks, dance with her, take her home to a large apartment and even take her out for lunch the next day (and perhaps beyond). As far as money, I saw the fairly attractive, cute girls I knew make a connection six maybe seven days a week (absolutely no problem) pulling in $400-500 plus a week in a country where $250 a month was a common wage for a six day-eight hour plus week. The stunning beauties had far more options and income.

This is the Rio we all lost when the local government decided enough was enough for Rio as a playground for sex tourists.

Sidebar: I would hook-up with a bombshell I met at Help twice a year for several years. Every time I would call her to say I was coming to Rio, she would say "Let's meet at Help Tuesday night (or whatever night) I will wait for you near the bathrooms". Every time, she would be there waiting. I figured this was because she knew if I was a no-show all would not be lost. However over time, I noticed she liked me to buy her a Blue Jeans (energy drink) without vodka and she would want to dance for a few hours before leaving. Both the good time and the allusion were intact.

I agree that terma locations are shrinking but I disagree performances and attitude is affected.

Personally in July I had 3 fantastic chicks at T31-super cool girls-charming, sexy and great in the room.

Had 2 ex VM and T31 over to the crib-great vibe / sex. As good as in the past.

Trash terma 210 another great light skin big booty negra and in Bilac 13 great morena both CIM and fun, great fucks.

Mabs threw up a lovely negra from Rochina-sweet girl and great fuck w cim-150 reais...

You have to look a little harder but as usual when you feel the chemistry, you are pretty much guaranteed a good session.

That hasnt changed in Rio imho.

Abracos.

[Pipe Layer99]

... 40 minutes all-in cash price at Solarium is now BRL 505, including girl / room / entrada.

It's been 505 BRL for months. That's not new. I called them back in May and they told me the current rate was 505.

[WyattEarp]

The P4P market had not been the same and the attitude of the girls changed due to increased level of competition and lower income. Nearly, all the escort service agencies, Help Disco, few Termas, Balcony bar and other left over options have shut down permanently for the past few years.

Interesting comment and the changes in girl's attitudes actually understandable. While us long-time Rio visitors think about the changes in Rio's sex scene in the last ten years from our own perspective, think about it from the perspective of a garota de programa.

The various expired venues where programa girls met foreign men in an informal, party environment was beneficial for both sides. The girls could go have a good time, interact with men who were willing to pay for their services and the allusion of a long-term relationship could be maintained. Just as the men could choose girls, the girls also had a choice in the matter. A fairly attractive girl could be selective and wasn't required by a termas, clinica or agency owner to service every fat, slob client in a small box of a room. A nice, decent monger might buy her drinks, dance with her, take her home to a large apartment and even take her out for lunch the next day (and perhaps beyond). As far as money, I saw the fairly attractive, cute girls I knew make a connection six maybe seven days a week (absolutely no problem) pulling in $400-500 plus a week in a country where $250 a month was a common wage for a six day-eight hour plus week. The stunning beauties had far more options and income.

This is the Rio we all lost when the local government decided enough was enough for Rio as a playground for sex tourists.

Sidebar: I would hook-up with a bombshell I met at Help twice a year for several years. Every time I would call her to say I was coming to Rio, she would say "Let's meet at Help Tuesday night (or whatever night) I will wait for you near the bathrooms". Every time, she would be there waiting. I figured this was because she knew if I was a no-show all would not be lost. However over time, I noticed she liked me to buy her a Blue Jeans (energy drink) without vodka and she would want to dance for a few hours before leaving. Both the good time and the allusion were intact.

[WyattEarp]

Amen! Very right.
If you want useful information like addresses, performance details etc the local forums (gpguia etc) are the only options. Sometimes there can be some useful information in this forum, but you have to scroll by all the posts by the posters who just want to show off their talents in the virtual world and all the desk-mongers posting about the past. However the real gems, the 10-point newbie gems you'll find when you do your legwork. Knock on lots of doors. The gems not reported yet in the local forums. The real gems might stay in a cheap puteiro just a couple of weeks before they disappears to some unknown destiny.

Of course, the local sex forums in Portuguese have more up to date information on addresses, looks, performance, etc. That's about true in every country vis--vis the ISG. Gpguia with the multitude of local mongers is categorized along the lines of termas, escorts and clinicas with details on girls by name. Gpguia also has its share of conversational elements, but again it's categorized that way.

ISG has always been a conversational home for sexual tourists who might drop into a city infrequently. It's particularly helpful for me when I drop into a new city. The information on where to stay, where to hang out, where to eat, currency matters might seem inane to some seasoned pros, but I have always found them helpful. It's always great to hear about a recommended girl, but I have had volumes of female contacts and recommendations over the years that move on abruptly or don't return calls / texts.

Guys like AltoBomGosto on the ISG Sao Paulo board, while they might have a business interest, provide an invaluable service on up to the minute info on the clinica girls. Over the years when Rio was a hotbed for sex tourism, there were several guys posting on Rio here and elsewhere that they would find you a great apartment, take you around Rio and even introduce you to hotties of which they sometimes published photos. For myself, I didn't need that kind of hand-holding, but you could see deer in the head lights (blood rushing to penis) guys just getting off the plane who needed this kind of help.

[Sperto]

If you want to cut to the chase and just read detailed reviews of prive girls, freelancers, and termas, you may want to check the local forums. They provide you with names, locations, numbers, websites, etc. And you don't have to wade through the chit chat. Simple common sense then leads you to look for foristas with multiple posts, girls who have multiple positive reviews, and of course reviews that describe the kind of girl and experience you're looking for. They've done most of the legwork for you, most reviews are pretty detailed, and you can usually find a picture of the girl. If this is kind of strategy works for you, and of course if you have some Portuguese, it's sort of a no-brainer, kind of served up on a silver platter.

Amen! Very right.
If you want useful information like addresses, performance details etc the local forums (gpguia etc) are the only options. Sometimes there can be some useful information in this forum, but you have to scroll by all the posts by the posters who just want to show off their talents in the virtual world and all the desk-mongers posting about the past. However the real gems, the 10-point newbie gems you'll find when you do your legwork. Knock on lots of doors. The gems not reported yet in the local forums. The real gems might stay in a cheap puteiro just a couple of weeks before they disappears to some unknown destiny.

[Jubby007]

What are you talking about man? Samsung Galaxy? That has nothing to do with comparing costs or currency changes. Sure there can be an amount of price discrimination over different markets, but for the most part that has to do with import taxes.

I still say it is a ridiculous "theory". In 2015 and 2016 when the dollar gained against the euro, did all the FKK owners in Germany start increasing their prices? No fuck shop in country A decides their prices on what is going on in countries B through Z. You guys act like these places are giant corporations. It is a hoarhouse with 30 chicks working there where a guy can go get his rocks off for 40 minutes.

Talk about overthinking. Will someone that has boots on the ground just go ask these guys why they are moving the prices up instead of giving into all the economic theory of hoarhouses stuff.

There is a difference between a German mentality and Portuguese mentality. I have few relatives live in Hamburg. You took it the wrong way. What I was trying to say that Brazilian P4P owners are smart now and the tag prices while comparing to the global sex industry. No need to be emotional here.

[Rahsta]

I was in Brazil the last five weeks for work and in and out of Rio on several occasions for short stays. Another great time in this beautiful city with so many beautiful women. This is certainly not news to some, but it may be helpful as there seems to be a lot of chatter about having to work hard and put in time and legwork to find the gems in Rio. Since I'm there for work and have limited mongering time, my interest is in putting in as little time and effort as possible. So for whatever it's worth, in recent years I've found that some of the better information, or at least the information I want, is to be found on the local forums. While some of the information is outdated and though there is some overlap, there are more than enough very useful details. I found gpguia, hotforum, and gparena to be rather out of date and so-so this year while forumx was very good.

If you're looking for where to get the best fish in town, whether to get around with taxis, uber, metro, or buses, how the Brazilian economy is affecting the P4 P scene, where to stay, what clothes to wear, what music to play, etc. , then this is your place as it can be useful for those who need help with that kind of information. If you want to cut to the chase and just read detailed reviews of prive girls, freelancers, and termas, you may want to check the local forums. They provide you with names, locations, numbers, websites, etc. And you don't have to wade through the chit chat. Simple common sense then leads you to look for foristas with multiple posts, girls who have multiple positive reviews, and of course reviews that describe the kind of girl and experience you're looking for. They've done most of the legwork for you, most reviews are pretty detailed, and you can usually find a picture of the girl. If this is kind of strategy works for you, and of course if you have some Portuguese, it's sort of a no-brainer, kind of served up on a silver platter.

This year, I had a good "to do" list, with all the details needed, in hand before arriving. I had limited time in Rio, but just enough for 9 sessions with 7 different girls, 6 of which I found on forumx reviews of prives and freelancers. The only non-review girl I went with was at Monte Carlo at 7:30 PM last Saturday night when it was filled with about 25 of the most gorgeous women I've ever seen. In the few times I've been there, maybe eight times, I've always had a fantastic time. I know everyone's tastes are different and that things vary from week to week or even day to day, but the beauty in that room on that night was insane, almost painful. Amazing GFE.

Personality and performance are my top criteria, and that's where the reviews can be very helpful in this otherwise unpredictable game. I found all the reviews of the 6 girls to be spot on, and every one provided top notch GFE. All Portuguese speaking only. In the looks department, it was a nice variety of morenas, loiras, spinners, and full figured gals. I did the minimum amount of research and legwork to look for, and then get, exactly what I wanted. I imagine that there may be other useful local forums that others may want to share. Reading some hot reviews and then seeing a picture of the girl, then dreaming about fucking her, then arriving in Rio and actually fucking her and having a great time is pretty damn awesome.

I don't understand why guys are talking about legwork. Majority of the spots in Centro are within walking distance of each other.

The local forums are the way to go for up to date info.

[Viajero11]

I was in Brazil the last five weeks for work and in and out of Rio on several occasions for short stays. Another great time in this beautiful city with so many beautiful women. This is certainly not news to some, but it may be helpful as there seems to be a lot of chatter about having to work hard and put in time and legwork to find the gems in Rio. Since I'm there for work and have limited mongering time, my interest is in putting in as little time and effort as possible. So for whatever it's worth, in recent years I've found that some of the better information, or at least the information I want, is to be found on the local forums. While some of the information is outdated and though there is some overlap, there are more than enough very useful details. I found gpguia, hotforum, and gparena to be rather out of date and so-so this year while forumx was very good.

If you're looking for where to get the best fish in town, whether to get around with taxis, uber, metro, or buses, how the Brazilian economy is affecting the P4 P scene, where to stay, what clothes to wear, what music to play, etc. , then this is your place as it can be useful for those who need help with that kind of information. If you want to cut to the chase and just read detailed reviews of prive girls, freelancers, and termas, you may want to check the local forums. They provide you with names, locations, numbers, websites, etc. And you don't have to wade through the chit chat. Simple common sense then leads you to look for foristas with multiple posts, girls who have multiple positive reviews, and of course reviews that describe the kind of girl and experience you're looking for. They've done most of the legwork for you, most reviews are pretty detailed, and you can usually find a picture of the girl. If this is kind of strategy works for you, and of course if you have some Portuguese, it's sort of a no-brainer, kind of served up on a silver platter.

This year, I had a good "to do" list, with all the details needed, in hand before arriving. I had limited time in Rio, but just enough for 9 sessions with 7 different girls, 6 of which I found on forumx reviews of prives and freelancers. The only non-review girl I went with was at Monte Carlo at 7:30 PM last Saturday night when it was filled with about 25 of the most gorgeous women I've ever seen. In the few times I've been there, maybe eight times, I've always had a fantastic time. I know everyone's tastes are different and that things vary from week to week or even day to day, but the beauty in that room on that night was insane, almost painful. Amazing GFE.

Personality and performance are my top criteria, and that's where the reviews can be very helpful in this otherwise unpredictable game. I found all the reviews of the 6 girls to be spot on, and every one provided top notch GFE. All Portuguese speaking only. In the looks department, it was a nice variety of morenas, loiras, spinners, and full figured gals. I did the minimum amount of research and legwork to look for, and then get, exactly what I wanted. I imagine that there may be other useful local forums that others may want to share. Reading some hot reviews and then seeing a picture of the girl, then dreaming about fucking her, then arriving in Rio and actually fucking her and having a great time is pretty damn awesome.

[GringoItaliano]

Sunday options are VM, Mabs and clipjoint Barbarella and when you get into Rio, independents, escorts, semis and non P.S. I wouldn't recommend VM for you but if you do go don't talk too much, play it cool, low-key-no big phone, watches, flashing money or being extra gringo. Go and inspect girls, be friendly nd if you like one learn 60,65 for 30 minutes in portugues or 120,130 for 60 minutes. No more. Good luck like Taken 4.

Thank you for your feedback. I was worried that my inquiry would get lost in the economics discussion.

What about Mosaico? I did some more digging and it appears that Mosaico is open on Sunday nights as well. I saw that on most nights the action at Mosaico does not begin in earnest until after midnight, when the termas girls go there after the termas close on their way home to Zona Norte. After midnight is a bit late for me, so I was wondering if the action starts any earlier on Sunday nights, since the girls would presumably be going there directly and not from the closing termas.

The Mosaico business model was a bit unclear to me. Correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like the girls are there independently, albeit with standard rates for sessions in the on-site rooms (150/30, 200/60). Are those rates official and fixed (I. E. Set in stone or listed on paper somewhere), or are they just typical or normal and thus subject to negotiation? As a first-time visitor to RJ with no Portuguese language skills, I was hesitant to go with independents because of the need to host and negotiate with them and the risk of a rate dispute or a scam, but if there are fixed rates for sessions in on-site rooms at Mosaico, I would be more comfortable with that.