Rio de Janeiro Reports

[El Austriaco]

Now, this woman has filed charges against me in Brazil alleging slander. It’s a false charge, but it will cost me between $10,000 and $20,000 to defend myself against her accusations.

One question immediatley comes to my mind: is she just telling you that she has filed charges, or have you been officially served through letters rogatory in your home country? If she's only claiming that she has filed charges, more likely than not, it's only a smoke screen. I have a GDP in my past, too, who for years threatened to charge me with something and told me that she actually did. You know what? Nothing ever came of it. Just another bunch of big lies and exaggerated claims.

As long as you're not in Brazil, I wouldn't really worry about it.

On a side note and without claiming to practice law or anything (whether in Brazil or elsewhere), as far as I know, in a slander/libel suit, the burden of proof is actually on the plaintiff. In other words, she would have to prove that whatever you said is factually incorrect.

But anyhow. Regarding your story, first of all, thanks for sharing. It takes a big man to honestly report something like that, and I applaud you for that. After years of reading this board, I can confidently say that you are not the only one who has gone through a nightmare like that. As a matter of fact, I suspect that most of us mongers have had a similar experience at one point or another. I certainly have. Like in Lorenzo's case (reported below), the stories are eerily similar.

Also, keep in mind that things could have been much worse. A couple of years, a guy from California was actually murdered when we visited a Brazilian woman he had met over the Internet. Over the years, he had dished out tens of thousands of dollars on her... the killers? The girl and her real-life boyfriend.

http://mb.internetdatingconference.c...=618&view=next

Finally, let me comment on something else you wrote:

After I discovered the truth that she had only been using me for money, I talked to 3 or 4 other working girls in Rio, and ALL of them did not see anything wrong with what she did. To them, scamming men is a normal way to make a living.

Just before I read your story yesterday, by pure coincidence, I was watching "Shade" again, a movie where Daniel Byrne has the following to say to his fellow con artists after cheating another poker player out of 80,000 dollars (I am quoting from personal recollection):

"I don't feel sorry for the guy. As far as I am concerned, a guy who doesn't know how to hold on to his money doesn't deserve it in the first place."

I think everyone would be well advised to automatically assume that this is EXACTLY the attitude of a Copacabana GPD. Or hookers anywhere else, for that matter.

Good luck,

EA

[Jota Erre]

I was absolutely stunned. Then it turned to absolute fury. No one had ever taken money from me like that before. I posted some information on the internet to warn others about this woman. I wrote that she is a prostitute, a thief and a pathological liar; all truths.

Now, this woman has filed charges against me in Brazil alleging slander. It’s a false charge, but it will cost me between $10,000 and $20,000 to defend myself against her accusations. I have more than enough proof to back up my statements against her, but it may cost me $20,000 to clear my name. Slander is a criminal offense in Brazil, carrying a sentence of 6 to 24 months and civil damages are possible as well. I find it incredibly arrogant that this prostitute rolled me for $40,000 USD and is now trying to cause more damage to my life because I tried to inform the public about her. I have serious doubts as to whether I would receive a fair trial in Brazil.

Following my previous post, a couple of thoughts for D&D:

Everybody is basically looking for the same things: Love, money and health. Have them all and youre happy. And without love, health and good sex, all the money in the world is worth nothing.

We all have different starting points in life: Some people start with no money, some start with no love, and some start just with good looks. And we try to get them all.

GDPs are no different from other people. They just make their money with their bodies and good looks. In the end, they all have the same dream: Make money, find the right guy and have a family (it's true!). And in the process, they need to get money from guys that might have a lot of money but whose lives lack good sex and probably some affection.

Brazilians, in that sense, are truly special for us, europeans or americans. We live in so-called developed countries, where our standards of living don't necessariliy provide happy lives. Mostly because they lack what they do have: a lot of charm and pure love for life.

In short: I'm sorry about your experience. I don't think that is very wise to get involved emotionally with GDPs. They might end happily married, but most probably won't be with you.The play their role: Enticing us, making us happy for an hour, giving us some affection. And, as a friend of mine once told me: "You can get more love and affection from a brazilian GDP in a week than from your own wife in a lifetime".

One important thing: You made a TERRIBLE mistake. You thought that because a gilrl is a GDP, that she has no honor. That's not true. Even more, her honor is terribly important for her. Pride is CRUCIAL for brazilians in general and mentioning her name in public forums is what brought you to this situation.

If I were you, I'd still try to talk with her and try to amend things. Think: She's not some anglosaxon wife trying to get your last penny for alimony. She's a brazilian. And brazilians are different.

[Brazilman]

What is wrong with you guys. Why would send your money to a prostitute, to not be a prostitute when your gone. How stupid can you guys be. Have fun with the girls and always have the upper hand. DONT MARRY A HOOKER! What is wrong with you. what are you going to tell your kids about her. I think everyone here has average smarts. You guys have been around. Your not rookies. What made you evolve into a sap. Never let them know you have alot of money. Lie about everything. I am the complete opposite of you guys. After i am with a girl the first time, i try to get a lower price the second time, even if i have the money. Alot of the girls are great people to be with but once you take it to the next level its over. They will take you for everything.the fantasy is alwaus better than reality.

[Dumb N Dumber]

man, after reading all these posts, i am seriously thinking of starting my own gdp private investigation business in copa. if these guys are willing to send 3-6 thousand dollars a month to keep their lady off the programma, they should be happy to pay me $1,500, for one month of surveillance!

i mean to be honest; how hard could it be? i would just give the flower lady, the chiclette girls and the dozens of homeless kids my business card. and tell them "if you see this girl in copa, call me immediately". if it is her, i will pay the person a 50r fee.

i would buy a nice video camera with night vision and a zoom lense, sit in a taxi out in front of help and just wait for the girl to leave with her client. i betcha i could make more money in copa doin pi work than i do now!!

does anyone know how much the services of a pi in rio costs?

according to the pi that i spoke with, he does a good business there and a lot of comes from gringos with gdp girlfriends. i doubt he is rolling in cash, but i would bet he makes a comfortable living. i did pay him for a few hours of work and i can’t remember what it cost me but it was reasonable. i also remember it was well above what a brazilian would normally earn though.

someone asked my nationality and i am a us citizen. from the gdp’s i have talked to, americans are the #1 suckers, followed closely by the italians, but no nationality is exempt. i eventually found a list of e-mail addresses of men this girl was corresponding with and there were about 20 names on it; 50% from italy, maybe 30% from the us, 1 guy from mexico and the rest were rep001tered across europe. she seemed to have a preference for italian guys.

carrib, i am not sure about the statute of limitations in brazil, but in my case, charges have been filed, so it does not matter. if i enter brazil 20 years from now, i could be detained. i am in the process of retaining an attorney right now, as i want to have the charges thrown out. i have more than enough evidence to prove my statements about her are true and therefore not slander. but the charges were filed in brazil and she is brazilian and i am not. i doubt i would receive a 100% fair trial there, but i am pushing forward to defend myself anyway. one attorney told me it is possible to have charges dismissed prior to trial, so i am hoping for that. at a minimum, it will cost me $4,000 usd to have investigative work done and a motion filed to dismiss. if that doesn’t work though, it will take a lot more work and money to make this go away. i have spoken with someone at the department of state and he told me (strictly off record) that this is not an offense that would normally be considered grounds for extradition.

i have thought about just blowing this off but i really love brazil and want to continue to travel there. i’ve been in 20 to 25 different countries in asia, europe, africa, south america and central america, but i have never been to a place that i loved so much as brazil. from my first trip there, i fell in love with brazil and it had nothing to do with the gdp’s. my trips there were never about gdp’s. the scenery in brazil is stunning and the people are friendly. i never attempted to learn a foreign language until i went to brazil, and now i can speak portuguese, albeit barely. i can hold a conversation in portuguese and for anyone else that can do the same, you know this makes an enormous difference in how you are accepted there by regular citizens.

the point of my post was that you need to be careful with everything you do in brazil and elsewhere. this may be a hobby to the men who travel there, but it is a business for the gdp’s. while the vast majority of the gdp’s would not go so far as to file charges against you if there ends up being a conflict (or just for the hell of it), anything is possible. this hobby may be like playing russian roulette with a gun that holds 1,000 rounds. many men have written in this forum about problems with gdp’s and the police being summoned. just based on that, i guess the possibility always exists that she could file charges, baseless or not. more than likely though, if you have an issue with the gdp it will be over money and you are more than likely going to have to deal with the favela boys. personally, i’d rather deal with the police.

mr. bond, i know that all women are not the same, but because of this one experience, i am more cautious about who i allow into my life, even if only for a moment and this pretty much rules out gdp’s. i view them in a completely different light now. since i can speak portuguese well enough, this has opened up doors with the regular girls in brazil anyway and there is no reason for me to have to deal with gdp’s. i know even a regular girl may try to roll me, but i think the chances of that happening are less likely.

dried up, you are right this could happen anywhere, but because the gdp’s there are affectionate and offer more of a gfe experience, the possibility of it happening in brazil may be higher. for me, it was not even a gfe experience with her; not initially and not at any time after she entered my life. the truth is, she wasn’t even that good in bed. i thought i saw other qualities in her and that is what appealed to me.

chingon, sorry, but at the moment, i don’t want to post her pic here. the website that has her photos and info about her can only be found if you know her name. if someone else were to become personally involved with her, she would have to reveal her real name at some point to receive western union transfers or other financial transactions. i don’t know what other men do, but i always google names of people to see if there is any dirt on them. there are quite a few websites devoted to scammers and list the names of the girls in them. my point in having a website built specifically dedicated to her, was to insure the odds would be higher that someone could learn the truth about how she makes a living. although a website can be viewed by anyone in the world, the odds that anyone would see her site are astronomical unless you know her name.

stop crying, you seem to earn a lot of money and your only real loss is a broken heart. your girl filed a criminal charge against you. you deserve that. you shouldn't have mentioned her name and home city on a public forum. that was hitting below the belt.

so what you are saying is that because my income is above average that it makes it okay to target me for theft? i don’t agree with that and i do not deserve criminal charges against me. speaking the truth about someone, however hurtful, does not define slander. do you define what she did to me as hitting above the belt?

thanks to all that commented on this, including sperto. i’m not sure it warrants r.o. d. status but i hope it makes everyone think a little about how involved you get with a gdp. i have a friend recently who became involved with one and i tried to tell him to proceed cautiously. although she seemed like a really nice girl, he was spending a lot of money on her too soon into the relationship. he listened but disregarded and sure enough, a few months after he left brazil, she informed him she had become pregnant to another man. he’s a great guy and seemed to shrug it off, but i hope it did not cost him too much $$ or pain. even with all the warnings, there will still be a lot of guys who take the plunge. sure, it’s always possible it could work, but i want encourage everyone to go slowly. again, if you have to spend big bucks to stay in her life, you may be nothing more than a mark. i also wrote about meeting her family. a brazilian girl’s family is sacred; if you have met her family then you are truly part of her life. if not, proceed with extreme caution, because ahead, those ‘curves’ could be dangerous.

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[Rock Harders]

Mongers-
In my mind, the big lesson that new guys should take from "dumb and dumber" is to never trust or expect anything from a GDP who is not directly in your line of sight. If a monger wants to fly a GDP to be where ever he is and pay the expenses of that trip, there is nothing wrong with that as he is paying for use of her pussy, essentially. Sending a girl money when you are not around and not plowing into her pussy is simply ludicrous in my opinion. What are you paying for? If this guy wanted to successfully take a shark out of the water and make this GDP his non-working girlfriend, he should have immediately taken her out of Brasil and brought her to live wherever he was living at the time. Also, this guy has to be realistic; if this girl is in her mid or earlier 20's, and strikingly beautiful, and he is an overweight guy in his forties or fifties, is she really going to take him seriously, fall in love and give up the life?
Suerte,
Rock Harders

[David68]

It is not worth the attempt to build a relationship with these working girls. If you must frequent prostitutes, use them and dump them. Do not get involved with them personally; it is not worth the risk. My Portuguese is pretty good and I talk to the girls all the time about what happened to me. All of them told me it is quite common for girls to have several boyfriends who send them money. Be careful with your money and your hearts guys. If money is a requirement to maintain the ‘relationship’, then more than likely you are still her client.

I am definitly not saying you deserved what you got, because no one deserves for someone else to take advantage of them. But you said you read this form extensively. It's covered with posts from guys like Sperto, Christophered and Exectalent stating the dangers of this kind of monetary arrangement. These 3 guys literally have thousands of posts here and a vast number of those dissuade guys from sending money to Brazil. You state that you are a pretty sucessful guy. I am just amazed and curious about you got fooled for 18 months. Don't mean to sound insensitive. My heart is bleeding. 40 grand buys a lot of time in 4x4.

[Jamaicanceo]

I hear these stories all the time about gringos getting fooled by GP's.

The story is always the same. It's like several phases:

1. The guy meets a girl in Help. She gives him a GFE. He falls in love. He spends a lot of money on the girl.

2. He returns back home. Shortly afterwards he invites her to visit him. He spends more money on the girl.

3. She returns to Brazil. He keeps sending her money every month so she can stop working as a GP. She assures him that she's home with her mother and will never again do tricks (of course that's just BS).

4. The girls need more money. She needs a laptop, go to the dentist, her mother needs medicine, the daughter needs to go to a private school, the dog needs a surgery etc. Money keeps rolling in.

5. Time for some bigger investments. She and her mother needs to build a new house. The girl also needs silicone implants. The guy sends a lot of money. The construction is delayed and costly. He sends more money.

6. The guy comes down to Brazil. He gets surprised when he understands that there isn't a newly constructed house. He forgets about the house when she gives him a GFE. The girl now got her milking cow in her back-yard. Time for shopping, clothes, new refrigirator, christmas presents etc. She makes sure to use him as much as possible.

So when does it stop? It depends on how dumb the guy are. It can go on forever.

I have two friends with many years of experience of Brazil who are going through this process right now. One of them has been spending outrageous money on his girl during the last five years.

He refuses to understand what everybody else understands. His girl feels no love at all for him, she's cheats on him, she despises him and is only using him. I've tried to speak sense to the guy, without any success. Even though he's my friend I can't really feel sorry for him. Somebody acting so dumb really deserves what's coming for him.

I have some close friends who works at Help and Barbarella. Beautiful and charming girls. They tell me openly about all the guys they fool. They have several BFs at the same time who keeps sending them money, expensive presents (even dogs), laptops, flatscreens, pays their rents, pays for maids and invites them to Europe/US/Australia.

I see when these girls chat with their BF's over the webcam. Assuring them that they are faithful, loves them and stopped working as GP. The girls are great actors.

I congratulate these girls for succeeding with their business. I can't feel sorry for the guys. They will survive. The girls needs their money better than they do. Not to mention that these girls can afford to give their friend Sperto a free session every now and then.

Dumb N Dumber, thank you for sharing you story. Hopefully some other mongers will learn and not fall in the same trap. Stop crying, you seem to earn a lot of money and your only real loss is a broken heart.

Your girl filed a criminal charge against you. You deserve that. You shouldn't have mentioned her name and home city on a public forum. That was hitting below the belt.
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...postcount=4170

So Sperto,

How big was your girl's silicon implants, and where did you buy them a house?

[Jamaicanceo]

Man, after reading all these posts, I am seriously thinking of starting my own GDP Private Investigation business in Copa. If these guys are willing to send 3-6 thousand dollars a month to keep their lady off the programma, they should be happy to pay me $1,500, for one month of surveillance!

I mean to be honest; How hard could it be? I would just give the flower lady, the chiclette girls and the dozens of homeless kids my business card. And tell them "If you see this girl in Copa, call me immediately". If it is her, I will pay the person a 50R fee.

I would buy a nice video camera with night vision and a zoom lense, sit in a taxi out in front of Help and just wait for the girl to leave with her client. I betcha I could make more money in Copa doin PI work than I do now!!


Does anyone know how much the services of a PI in Rio costs?

Great idea. Could I be an investor?

[Jan 156]

The girls needs their money better than they do. Not to mention that these girls can afford to give their friend Sperto a free session every now and then.

ROFL, like it! I must admit I enjoy sessioning with girls who have an income. They are less needy.

My old wingman took it to extremes though. Invited me over to his 'mansion'.

"How come you're living in a mansion in Ipanema?"

- "Oh, it's her mansion."

"Sounds like you're doing great. Why are you still chasing that schoolteacher on the side?"

Anyway, turns out, mansion-girl won't let him pay for anything. She gets truckloads of dosh from her Scandinavian ex. They go to all the best places to eat and party and she pays. It seemed to be damaging his sense of 'manhood'. I'm sure there's another moral there somewhere . . .

[Bravo]

Man, after reading all these posts, I am seriously thinking of starting my own GDP Private Investigation business in Copa. If these guys are willing to send 3-6 thousand dollars a month to keep their lady off the programma, they should be happy to pay me $1,500, for one month of surveillance!

I mean to be honest; How hard could it be? I would just give the flower lady, the chiclette girls and the dozens of homeless kids my business card. And tell them "If you see this girl in Copa, call me immediately". If it is her, I will pay the person a 50R fee.

I would buy a nice video camera with night vision and a zoom lense, sit in a taxi out in front of Help and just wait for the girl to leave with her client. I betcha I could make more money in Copa doin PI work than I do now!!


Does anyone know how much the services of a PI in Rio costs?

[Sperto]

I hear these stories all the time about gringos getting fooled by GP's.

The story is always the same. It's like several phases:

1. The guy meets a girl in Help. She gives him a GFE. He falls in love. He spends a lot of money on the girl.
2. He returns back home. Shortly afterwards he invites her to visit him. He spends more money on the girl.
3. She returns to Brazil. He keeps sending her money every month so she can stop working as a GP. She assures him that she's home with her mother and will never again do tricks (of course that's just BS).
4. The girls need more money. She needs a laptop, go to the dentist, her mother needs medicine, the daughter needs to go to a private school, the dog needs a surgery etc. Money keeps rolling in.
5. Time for some bigger investments. She and her mother needs to build a new house. The girl also needs silicone implants. The guy sends a lot of money. The construction is delayed and costly. He sends more money.
6. The guy comes down to Brazil. He gets surprised when he understands that there isn't a newly constructed house. He forgets about the house when she gives him a GFE. The girl now got her milking cow in her back-yard. Time for shopping, clothes, new refrigirator, christmas presents etc. She makes sure to use him as much as possible.

So when does it stop? It depends on how dumb the guy are. It can go on forever.

I have two friends with many years of experience of Brazil who are going through this process right now. One of them has been spending outrageous money on his girl during the last five years.
He refuses to understand what everybody else understands. His girl feels no love at all for him, she's cheats on him, she despises him and is only using him. I've tried to speak sense to the guy, without any success. Even though he's my friend I can't really feel sorry for him. Somebody acting so dumb really deserves what's coming for him.

I have some close friends who works at Help and Barbarella. Beautiful and charming girls. They tell me openly about all the guys they fool. They have several BFs at the same time who keeps sending them money, expensive presents (even dogs), laptops, flatscreens, pays their rents, pays for maids and invites them to Europe/US/Australia.

I see when these girls chat with their BF's over the webcam. Assuring them that they are faithful, loves them and stopped working as GP. The girls are great actors.

I congratulate these girls for succeeding with their business. I can't feel sorry for the guys. They will survive. The girls needs their money better than they do. Not to mention that these girls can afford to give their friend Sperto a free session every now and then.

Dumb N Dumber, thank you for sharing you story. Hopefully some other mongers will learn and not fall in the same trap. Stop crying, you seem to earn a lot of money and your only real loss is a broken heart.

Your girl filed a criminal charge against you. You deserve that. You shouldn't have mentioned her name and home city on a public forum. That was hitting below the belt.
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[Jan 156]

So, guys, if you haven't figured it out already, the cardinal rule is this: once a prostitute, always a prostitute. If you find a GDP who charms you, by all means have a good time with her and enjoy yourself while you can. But never, ever trust her, and never give her your heart.

I think Lorenzo is just emphasising the necessary warning note of Dumb N Dumber's excellent post. But every time someone says this I have to disagree. It might not be one in a million. It might be one in ten million. But I personally know two ex-prostitutes who have been happily married now for several years. They have got an excellent deal and I don't see either of them returning to their old life. Neither of them now have the motivation, opportunity or, as far as I can see, the inclination to get 'top-ups.'

What I think is harder is that if you once pay, you are forever likely to be regarded as a 'client'*, just as Lorenzo, like most normal people I guess, take the view that anyone that they have ever paid is basically a prostitute. Either way, it reinforces the role. It is very easy to define a person by their actions at a particular time.

As D&N said, if you must frequent prostitutes, use them and dump them. It's a bit like marriage (a high-end, less conscious type of P4P for many women if you like). Once you buy into the the game plan, you're stuck with it.


* shorthand for sucker-who-pays. It's about defining the limits. And for anyone who's seen hookers advertising "credit-crunch-specials", remember this means, "I'm feeling the crunch, so I'm really charging you more." Is it worth it if she calls you special? Sweetheart? Husband? Aren't women genetically coded to get the best circumstances to raise their brats? This generally means maximising income, safety, security. 'Love' is nature's way of helping those that can't do it consciously.

[Bad Boy Billy]

I met this girl in Rio de Janeiro in Help Disco and was taken back by her beauty. But she was also charming, intelligent, soft spoken, and extremely well mannered. It did not take long for me to fall for her. I thought she was the perfect woman................What I didn’t realize was……when she was not with me in another country, she was still ‘working’ in Brazil. I had been rolled for 18 months and didn’t even realize it. I’m a smart guy; high IQ, well spoken, have a job in management, and reasonably successful in my career. I thought I was way smart enough to spot a con if I ever met one. I could not have been more wrong!

Welcome to the club my friend - been there done that.

As Poucolouco wrote - not specific to Brazil - happens the world over.

Billy was taken by a Chinese w.h.o.r.e one time who got me hook, line and sinker.

It can hapen to anybody - once bitten - twice shy.

[Poucolouco]

I wanted to write about something that is happening in my life due to my involvement with a prostitute I met in Rio de Janeiro. I know what happened to me initially, also happens to a lot of other men who travel to Brazil. It is what happened after I learned that I had been rolled, that is stunning.

This is not a Brasilian phenomenon, it could happen anywhere. I commend you on your choice of user names.

[DriedUp]

It happens with girls whatever they do, not just prostitutes.

It so happened that the two times I went to Cuba, I was had.

But luckily I am naturally cheap, so when a girl asks and asks without giving, I become suspicious. And I leave.

Never took me that long to realize my stupidity. But I admit, I fell because I was desperate and lonely. That is all. Sad to say, but true.

Or, desperate for what really does not want me. I am sure we get attention, but sometimes from girls we don't want. So in Cuba or wherever, it is so much easier, cheaper and then easier to slide into delusion.

Like women all over the world, prostitutes or not, they are very cagey.

Manipulative. So it is a game. What they lose with age, we gain.

So this should not have to happen.

Thank god it does not happen to me often. I am 37, and not rich.

I am planning on going back to Cuba anyway.

Deep down I like the game, piercing through the lies, the moaning in and out of bed. It's the risk, the thrill. Who's the bigger idiot?

Who's using whom?

And in the end, where in the usa will I get such great T and A for those prices? Check out online, 200 an hour for a hefty older lady.

Mongering, traveling to monger, is a statement that says we do have options. Do not have to take the dribs and drabs given to us in the us--with incredible sneers.