Rio de Janeiro Reports

[David68]

With a little Google knowledge you can trace down the website that D&D made "in honor" of the girl. (took me less than 30 seconds). On the front page there is a nice pic of her, and then there are 5 more on a second page.

Sperto said about D&D: "Your girl filed a criminal charge against you. You deserve that. You shouldn't have mentioned her name and home city on a public forum. That was hitting below the belt."

My first reaction was something like, oh fuck, man, Sperto, this is way to harsh. The man got hurt, and he just posted his experience here. But I must say now that I agree. The dedicated website is taking it a step too far.

Peace,

Euro

Wow, I've seen it also. In 3 languages?

D&D, get over it.

[Jamaicanceo]

last march i was sitting a ta after the cowbell rung from helpee, and i was talking to this 18 red dress wearing garota with her girlfriend kay kay (fucked them both), and this enlish speaking white guy came and sat his ass at the table uninvitd speaking portuguese to the young girl. she spoke no english by the way. kay kay was translating the fuck session process.

so i said to the gent, excuse me but i did not invite you to my table. and he looked at me and said, "i ave her cousin some money for a medical bill earlier today, and i didn't know she was a *****, and i want my money from them. " red flag! all the whilte was telling me that the girl was new to the scene, and she was a good girl, before this guy showed up. then he stormed off.

now i did fuck the dog snot out of the 18 year old ****. but my point is there is so much bs going on with garotas to get our foreigner money, if any sob story comes our way about babies, new houses, dying mother or dog, it's not our problem. brazilian men don't care about it, then why should we.

[Lorenzo]

If you make the mistake of falling in love with a GDP and later getting burned, it's important to look at the positive side of it and then just let it go. All of us who have had such an experience vary in exactly what we experienced, so I'll just use my own case as an example. I was involved with a GDP from 2000 to 2004 and made several trips to Rio primarily to see her. (I also visited the termas, of course without telling her, so it wasn't exclusively to see her.) I am embarrassed to admit that we talked about getting married and in fact considered ourselves engaged (or at least I did). Then she suddenly takes off for Italy--where she still is--to work as a prostitute in Bergamo and Milan, leaving me to feel like a fool. However, let's look at the bright side. What did I get out of that relationship? All of the following:

--4 years of great sex;
--never having to do anything alone, i.e., I always had a companion for dinner, movies, travel, and occasional concerts at Teatro Municipal;
--the experience of having a family, at least temporarily, since the last few times I visited I stayed at her place and got to know her kids, who I had a great time with;
--last but not least, the joy of being in love, even if it didn't last.

Now let's look at whether or not it was such a financial disaster. I never tallied up how much I spent on her, but I would estimate about US$15K. And I never counted how many times I had sex with her, but let's say it was 150 times (which I think is about right). So dividing the money spent by the number of fucks, it came to about US$100 per fuck. A bit steep if you're a frequenter of Vila Mimosa, but not so bad if you're used to the upscale termas. Bottom line: would I rather have had the experience, even having it end the way it did, than never to have had it at all? Yes, without a doubt. Will I ever forgive her? No. Will I ever make the same mistake again? No, because, although I have good GFE experiences with GDPs since then, I have learned never to trust. Ever.

That having been said, I have to disagree with a few things that have been said since DND posted. First of all, I totally disagree that he was wrong to expose this beeyutch for the lying phony that she was. It was she, not he, that got exactly what she deserved. I don't think any of you would think it was wrong to expose a con artist or a thief. Well, that's exactly what this girl was, so kudos to DND for exposing her publicly.

Finally, I can't see the harm in letting thr girl know your real name. In fact, I'm not really clear how it can be avoided, if you're going to write to each other. I've told every GDP I've ever been with my real name, and no harm has ever come from it. Just my two cents worth.

Lorenzo

[Jamaicanceo]

What is wrong with you guys. Why would send your money to a prostitute, to not be a prostitute when your gone. How stupid can you guys be. Have fun with the girls and always have the upper hand. DONT MARRY A HOOKER! What is wrong with you. what are you going to tell your kids about her. I think everyone here has average smarts. You guys have been around. Your not rookies. What made you evolve into a sap. Never let them know you have alot of money. Lie about everything. I am the complete opposite of you guys. After i am with a girl the first time, i try to get a lower price the second time, even if i have the money. Alot of the girls are great people to be with but once you take it to the next level its over. They will take you for everything.the fantasy is alwaus better than reality.

99% of all females are hookers to some degree. Beyonce sings "if you want it put a ring on it," and garotas world-wide are singing. GDP is world-wide. And if you get wit any female anywhere, either she or the courts are going to try and f&^k you. I've never been married in 50 years, but ask men who have, and they will call the wife or ex-wife a *****.

[Juan Lo]

D and D. Thanks for sharing this story with us. Like I read in many of the replies to your story, it happens to the best of them. Fortunately reading this board, I have managed to steer clear of being taken. But, like you, I have a girl that I was really in love with that I met back in 2006. On my three visits in 2006, 2007, and 2008 we spent a lot of time together. We did the whole GFE. Dinners, shopping, but nothing really extravagent. She loves designer clothes and handbags but never once has she ever asked me to buy her something. Maybe this is the reverse phsycology con. LOL. I've told her that I'd love to take her out of that life but she really seemed content doing what she was doing. She worked in England, Monte Carlo, and now Switzerland. I'd imagine she's making a mint over there. Here's what always stumps me. She knows when we're together that when I leave, I unload my wallet to her. But she has never asked me for anything at any other time. When I say unload my wallet, I don't mean that much. For a week I'll usually give her between $1000.$1500. So I hadn't talked to her in a while and she was in Switzerland when I came to Rio in March, but somehow through Garotanet she found out I was in Rio which in itself is pretty funny. She sent me an E-mail the other day saying that she was homesick and wanted to get back to her family and her baby in Sao Paolo. She also told me that she's had enough of this business. She tells me she has no desire to move to the US. So pretty much that's where it ends I guess. I guess the point of my story is that it's easy to fall in love with a GDP in Rio. You just always have to be on your toes and second guess everything they do or say. To me, as soon as they start asking for money when you are not there, RUN!

Lancer. Good advice. I had a GDP start asking me for money when I returned home. I cut that broad off like a fire hydrant. LOL. Fella's never second guess that little voice in your head telling you to "RUN FOREST RUN" Those GDP's don't have a pot to [CodeWord140] in and a window to throw it out of, and they will try every trick in the book to get what you got.

[Lancer520]

D and D. Thanks for sharing this story with us. Like I read in many of the replies to your story, it happens to the best of them. Fortunately reading this board, I have managed to steer clear of being taken. But, like you, I have a girl that I was really in love with that I met back in 2006. On my three visits in 2006, 2007, and 2008 we spent a lot of time together. We did the whole GFE. Dinners, shopping, but nothing really extravagent. She loves designer clothes and handbags but never once has she ever asked me to buy her something. Maybe this is the reverse phsycology con. LOL. I've told her that I'd love to take her out of that life but she really seemed content doing what she was doing. She worked in England, Monte Carlo, and now Switzerland. I'd imagine she's making a mint over there. Here's what always stumps me. She knows when we're together that when i leave, i unload my wallet to her. But she has never asked me for anything at any other time. When i say unload my wallet, I don't mean that much. For a week i'll usually give her between $1000 -$1500. So I hadn't talked to her in a while and she was in Switzerland when I came to Rio in march, but somehow through Garotanet she found out I was in Rio which in itself is pretty funny. She sent me an E-mail the other day saying that she was homesick and wanted to get back to her family and her baby in Sao Paolo. She also told me that she's had enough of this business. She tells me she has no desire to move to the US. So pretty much that's where it ends I guess. I guess the point of my story is that it's easy to fall in love with a GDP in Rio. You just always have to be on your toes and second guess everything they do or say. To me, as soon as they start asking for money when you are not there, RUN!!!!

[Euro100]

If you got a pic of the GDP, post it. Gives us more info.

With a little Google knowledge you can trace down the website that D&D made "in honor" of the girl. (took me less than 30 seconds). On the front page there is a nice pic of her, and then there are 5 more on a second page.

Sperto said about D&D: "Your girl filed a criminal charge against you. You deserve that. You shouldn't have mentioned her name and home city on a public forum. That was hitting below the belt."

My first reaction was something like, oh fuck, man, Sperto, this is way to harsh. The man got hurt, and he just posted his experience here. But I must say now that I agree. The dedicated website is taking it a step too far.

On the other hand, D&D, the Internet is a double-edged sword. And you want to be very careful how you use it. You can take my advice or leave it, but if I were you, I would delete all of the contents of the website you created, including all of the pictures. Websites can be traced back to their creators!!!

D&D, I had initially put your post into the ROD thread, because I found it instructive and informative. Then I found your first post on this forum, from 18 month ago, and I linked that too in the same post. But now I have deleted my ROD posting, because I do not want to contribute to people finding out who this girl is, and who you are.

D&D, you can PM me, and I can explain to you how I found your information. Hopefully, this will help you to erase all traces leading to the girl and leading to you. Obviously, I do not want to post the details here.

WARNING for all of us: the p4p thing is a business, and it's make-believe. It's good while it last, but you have to respect the rules:
1. Enjoy it while it lasts.
2. If it goes down, let it slide.
3. Never give more information than you need to, and in particular not to a GDP.
4. NEVER EVER NEVER use your real name or anything that can be used to trace you down in real life.

peace
euro

[Jake993]

Now, this woman has filed charges against me in Brazil alleging slander. It’s a false charge, but it will cost me between $10,000 and $20,000 to defend myself against her accusations. I have more than enough proof to back up my statements against her, but it may cost me $20,000 to clear my name. Slander is a criminal offense in Brazil, carrying a sentence of 6 to 24 months and civil damages are possible as well. I find it incredibly arrogant that this prostitute rolled me for $40,000 USD and is now trying to cause more damage to my life because I tried to inform the public about her. I have serious doubts as to whether I would receive a fair trial in Brazil.

DnD - you certainly have balls to share your sad tale with us. As has been stated several times, we have all been there to some degree or another. And it's not an issue exclusive to Brazil, that's for damned sure. It's what these girls do for a living and they are good at it.

I had a chat with a Brazilian attorney friend of mine about your legal matter and (just like a typical lawyer) he says that without additional details he could never speculate on the merits of her case. However, all things being equal, she is in all likelihood launching a peremptory strike against any legal action you may be considering to take in the recovery of your $40k clams. He went on to say that while legal fees to clear you name may well exceed the value of the money lost, there's no guarantee that you will be any further ahead than if you do nothing. His advice was to lay low and stay under the radar. No judge wants to be associated with a case like this and the only people who have ANYTHING to gain is the lawyers. Don't throw good money after bad.

Remember - lawyers and GDP's have more in common that we may want to admit

[Neverenuff]

Man, after reading all these posts, I am seriously thinking of starting my own GDP Private Investigation business in Copa. If these guys are willing to send 3-6 thousand dollars a month to keep their lady off the programma, they should be happy to pay me $1,500, for one month of surveillance!

Does anyone know how much the services of a PI in Rio costs?

Awesome post! I was thinking something along the same lines but couldn't actually figure out what occupation to take up in Rio if I find I love it there when I make my first trip this week. Dude, you might have some competition on your hands. Lol.

[El Austriaco]

Now, this woman has filed charges against me in Brazil alleging slander. It’s a false charge, but it will cost me between $10,000 and $20,000 to defend myself against her accusations.

One question immediatley comes to my mind: is she just telling you that she has filed charges, or have you been officially served through letters rogatory in your home country? If she's only claiming that she has filed charges, more likely than not, it's only a smoke screen. I have a GDP in my past, too, who for years threatened to charge me with something and told me that she actually did. You know what? Nothing ever came of it. Just another bunch of big lies and exaggerated claims.

As long as you're not in Brazil, I wouldn't really worry about it.

On a side note and without claiming to practice law or anything (whether in Brazil or elsewhere), as far as I know, in a slander/libel suit, the burden of proof is actually on the plaintiff. In other words, she would have to prove that whatever you said is factually incorrect.

But anyhow. Regarding your story, first of all, thanks for sharing. It takes a big man to honestly report something like that, and I applaud you for that. After years of reading this board, I can confidently say that you are not the only one who has gone through a nightmare like that. As a matter of fact, I suspect that most of us mongers have had a similar experience at one point or another. I certainly have. Like in Lorenzo's case (reported below), the stories are eerily similar.

Also, keep in mind that things could have been much worse. A couple of years, a guy from California was actually murdered when we visited a Brazilian woman he had met over the Internet. Over the years, he had dished out tens of thousands of dollars on her... the killers? The girl and her real-life boyfriend.

http://mb.internetdatingconference.c...=618&view=next

Finally, let me comment on something else you wrote:

After I discovered the truth that she had only been using me for money, I talked to 3 or 4 other working girls in Rio, and ALL of them did not see anything wrong with what she did. To them, scamming men is a normal way to make a living.

Just before I read your story yesterday, by pure coincidence, I was watching "Shade" again, a movie where Daniel Byrne has the following to say to his fellow con artists after cheating another poker player out of 80,000 dollars (I am quoting from personal recollection):

"I don't feel sorry for the guy. As far as I am concerned, a guy who doesn't know how to hold on to his money doesn't deserve it in the first place."

I think everyone would be well advised to automatically assume that this is EXACTLY the attitude of a Copacabana GPD. Or hookers anywhere else, for that matter.

Good luck,

EA

[Jota Erre]

I was absolutely stunned. Then it turned to absolute fury. No one had ever taken money from me like that before. I posted some information on the internet to warn others about this woman. I wrote that she is a prostitute, a thief and a pathological liar; all truths.

Now, this woman has filed charges against me in Brazil alleging slander. It’s a false charge, but it will cost me between $10,000 and $20,000 to defend myself against her accusations. I have more than enough proof to back up my statements against her, but it may cost me $20,000 to clear my name. Slander is a criminal offense in Brazil, carrying a sentence of 6 to 24 months and civil damages are possible as well. I find it incredibly arrogant that this prostitute rolled me for $40,000 USD and is now trying to cause more damage to my life because I tried to inform the public about her. I have serious doubts as to whether I would receive a fair trial in Brazil.

Following my previous post, a couple of thoughts for D&D:

Everybody is basically looking for the same things: Love, money and health. Have them all and youre happy. And without love, health and good sex, all the money in the world is worth nothing.

We all have different starting points in life: Some people start with no money, some start with no love, and some start just with good looks. And we try to get them all.

GDPs are no different from other people. They just make their money with their bodies and good looks. In the end, they all have the same dream: Make money, find the right guy and have a family (it's true!). And in the process, they need to get money from guys that might have a lot of money but whose lives lack good sex and probably some affection.

Brazilians, in that sense, are truly special for us, europeans or americans. We live in so-called developed countries, where our standards of living don't necessariliy provide happy lives. Mostly because they lack what they do have: a lot of charm and pure love for life.

In short: I'm sorry about your experience. I don't think that is very wise to get involved emotionally with GDPs. They might end happily married, but most probably won't be with you.The play their role: Enticing us, making us happy for an hour, giving us some affection. And, as a friend of mine once told me: "You can get more love and affection from a brazilian GDP in a week than from your own wife in a lifetime".

One important thing: You made a TERRIBLE mistake. You thought that because a gilrl is a GDP, that she has no honor. That's not true. Even more, her honor is terribly important for her. Pride is CRUCIAL for brazilians in general and mentioning her name in public forums is what brought you to this situation.

If I were you, I'd still try to talk with her and try to amend things. Think: She's not some anglosaxon wife trying to get your last penny for alimony. She's a brazilian. And brazilians are different.

[Brazilman]

What is wrong with you guys. Why would send your money to a prostitute, to not be a prostitute when your gone. How stupid can you guys be. Have fun with the girls and always have the upper hand. DONT MARRY A HOOKER! What is wrong with you. what are you going to tell your kids about her. I think everyone here has average smarts. You guys have been around. Your not rookies. What made you evolve into a sap. Never let them know you have alot of money. Lie about everything. I am the complete opposite of you guys. After i am with a girl the first time, i try to get a lower price the second time, even if i have the money. Alot of the girls are great people to be with but once you take it to the next level its over. They will take you for everything.the fantasy is alwaus better than reality.

[Dumb N Dumber]

man, after reading all these posts, i am seriously thinking of starting my own gdp private investigation business in copa. if these guys are willing to send 3-6 thousand dollars a month to keep their lady off the programma, they should be happy to pay me $1,500, for one month of surveillance!

i mean to be honest; how hard could it be? i would just give the flower lady, the chiclette girls and the dozens of homeless kids my business card. and tell them "if you see this girl in copa, call me immediately". if it is her, i will pay the person a 50r fee.

i would buy a nice video camera with night vision and a zoom lense, sit in a taxi out in front of help and just wait for the girl to leave with her client. i betcha i could make more money in copa doin pi work than i do now!!

does anyone know how much the services of a pi in rio costs?

according to the pi that i spoke with, he does a good business there and a lot of comes from gringos with gdp girlfriends. i doubt he is rolling in cash, but i would bet he makes a comfortable living. i did pay him for a few hours of work and i can’t remember what it cost me but it was reasonable. i also remember it was well above what a brazilian would normally earn though.

someone asked my nationality and i am a us citizen. from the gdp’s i have talked to, americans are the #1 suckers, followed closely by the italians, but no nationality is exempt. i eventually found a list of e-mail addresses of men this girl was corresponding with and there were about 20 names on it; 50% from italy, maybe 30% from the us, 1 guy from mexico and the rest were rep001tered across europe. she seemed to have a preference for italian guys.

carrib, i am not sure about the statute of limitations in brazil, but in my case, charges have been filed, so it does not matter. if i enter brazil 20 years from now, i could be detained. i am in the process of retaining an attorney right now, as i want to have the charges thrown out. i have more than enough evidence to prove my statements about her are true and therefore not slander. but the charges were filed in brazil and she is brazilian and i am not. i doubt i would receive a 100% fair trial there, but i am pushing forward to defend myself anyway. one attorney told me it is possible to have charges dismissed prior to trial, so i am hoping for that. at a minimum, it will cost me $4,000 usd to have investigative work done and a motion filed to dismiss. if that doesn’t work though, it will take a lot more work and money to make this go away. i have spoken with someone at the department of state and he told me (strictly off record) that this is not an offense that would normally be considered grounds for extradition.

i have thought about just blowing this off but i really love brazil and want to continue to travel there. i’ve been in 20 to 25 different countries in asia, europe, africa, south america and central america, but i have never been to a place that i loved so much as brazil. from my first trip there, i fell in love with brazil and it had nothing to do with the gdp’s. my trips there were never about gdp’s. the scenery in brazil is stunning and the people are friendly. i never attempted to learn a foreign language until i went to brazil, and now i can speak portuguese, albeit barely. i can hold a conversation in portuguese and for anyone else that can do the same, you know this makes an enormous difference in how you are accepted there by regular citizens.

the point of my post was that you need to be careful with everything you do in brazil and elsewhere. this may be a hobby to the men who travel there, but it is a business for the gdp’s. while the vast majority of the gdp’s would not go so far as to file charges against you if there ends up being a conflict (or just for the hell of it), anything is possible. this hobby may be like playing russian roulette with a gun that holds 1,000 rounds. many men have written in this forum about problems with gdp’s and the police being summoned. just based on that, i guess the possibility always exists that she could file charges, baseless or not. more than likely though, if you have an issue with the gdp it will be over money and you are more than likely going to have to deal with the favela boys. personally, i’d rather deal with the police.

mr. bond, i know that all women are not the same, but because of this one experience, i am more cautious about who i allow into my life, even if only for a moment and this pretty much rules out gdp’s. i view them in a completely different light now. since i can speak portuguese well enough, this has opened up doors with the regular girls in brazil anyway and there is no reason for me to have to deal with gdp’s. i know even a regular girl may try to roll me, but i think the chances of that happening are less likely.

dried up, you are right this could happen anywhere, but because the gdp’s there are affectionate and offer more of a gfe experience, the possibility of it happening in brazil may be higher. for me, it was not even a gfe experience with her; not initially and not at any time after she entered my life. the truth is, she wasn’t even that good in bed. i thought i saw other qualities in her and that is what appealed to me.

chingon, sorry, but at the moment, i don’t want to post her pic here. the website that has her photos and info about her can only be found if you know her name. if someone else were to become personally involved with her, she would have to reveal her real name at some point to receive western union transfers or other financial transactions. i don’t know what other men do, but i always google names of people to see if there is any dirt on them. there are quite a few websites devoted to scammers and list the names of the girls in them. my point in having a website built specifically dedicated to her, was to insure the odds would be higher that someone could learn the truth about how she makes a living. although a website can be viewed by anyone in the world, the odds that anyone would see her site are astronomical unless you know her name.

stop crying, you seem to earn a lot of money and your only real loss is a broken heart. your girl filed a criminal charge against you. you deserve that. you shouldn't have mentioned her name and home city on a public forum. that was hitting below the belt.

so what you are saying is that because my income is above average that it makes it okay to target me for theft? i don’t agree with that and i do not deserve criminal charges against me. speaking the truth about someone, however hurtful, does not define slander. do you define what she did to me as hitting above the belt?

thanks to all that commented on this, including sperto. i’m not sure it warrants r.o. d. status but i hope it makes everyone think a little about how involved you get with a gdp. i have a friend recently who became involved with one and i tried to tell him to proceed cautiously. although she seemed like a really nice girl, he was spending a lot of money on her too soon into the relationship. he listened but disregarded and sure enough, a few months after he left brazil, she informed him she had become pregnant to another man. he’s a great guy and seemed to shrug it off, but i hope it did not cost him too much $$ or pain. even with all the warnings, there will still be a lot of guys who take the plunge. sure, it’s always possible it could work, but i want encourage everyone to go slowly. again, if you have to spend big bucks to stay in her life, you may be nothing more than a mark. i also wrote about meeting her family. a brazilian girl’s family is sacred; if you have met her family then you are truly part of her life. if not, proceed with extreme caution, because ahead, those ‘curves’ could be dangerous.

editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here for more information.

[Rock Harders]

Mongers-
In my mind, the big lesson that new guys should take from "dumb and dumber" is to never trust or expect anything from a GDP who is not directly in your line of sight. If a monger wants to fly a GDP to be where ever he is and pay the expenses of that trip, there is nothing wrong with that as he is paying for use of her pussy, essentially. Sending a girl money when you are not around and not plowing into her pussy is simply ludicrous in my opinion. What are you paying for? If this guy wanted to successfully take a shark out of the water and make this GDP his non-working girlfriend, he should have immediately taken her out of Brasil and brought her to live wherever he was living at the time. Also, this guy has to be realistic; if this girl is in her mid or earlier 20's, and strikingly beautiful, and he is an overweight guy in his forties or fifties, is she really going to take him seriously, fall in love and give up the life?
Suerte,
Rock Harders

[David68]

It is not worth the attempt to build a relationship with these working girls. If you must frequent prostitutes, use them and dump them. Do not get involved with them personally; it is not worth the risk. My Portuguese is pretty good and I talk to the girls all the time about what happened to me. All of them told me it is quite common for girls to have several boyfriends who send them money. Be careful with your money and your hearts guys. If money is a requirement to maintain the ‘relationship’, then more than likely you are still her client.

I am definitly not saying you deserved what you got, because no one deserves for someone else to take advantage of them. But you said you read this form extensively. It's covered with posts from guys like Sperto, Christophered and Exectalent stating the dangers of this kind of monetary arrangement. These 3 guys literally have thousands of posts here and a vast number of those dissuade guys from sending money to Brazil. You state that you are a pretty sucessful guy. I am just amazed and curious about you got fooled for 18 months. Don't mean to sound insensitive. My heart is bleeding. 40 grand buys a lot of time in 4x4.