Rio de Janeiro Reports

[Turgid]

I have no problem with mongers visiting the poorest countries to get it on with the abundance of providers they say they see there. That would leave more for me in the richer countries which they say have less prostitutes. No one, however, will deny that that the country with the most prostitutes in the world is the good old USA the world's richest country. The problem however is the damned christian right who are f..king up the scene there. In spite of their actions the hookers are out in great numbers all over the country. However, give me Brazil, Canada, Thailand, Germany, Colombia where its cheaper and the working girls provide better service.

[The Cane]

You should check out those places yourself before you say that. Men need to have sex, foreigner or not, so there's always business in the prostitution industry. In the poorest countries, women would even have sex in exchange for food instead of money. In fact, low income does make P4P easier, because the poorer a country is, the more likely you can get semi-pros or even non-pros to have sex. Bad economy does promote prostitution, because that's the fastest way, if not the only way, a hot girl can earn way more money than if she does other jobs. What brings down prostitution is something non-economical, such as government legislation, social morality, feminist awareness, etc.

You absolutely nailed it with the complete truth. I have personal knowledge of some of these countries (won't say which), and I know first-hand that prostitution is very alive and thriving in them. We have to remember that most prostitution is local and depends primarily on the people living in a place for it to happen there. That's sometimes easy for us to forget since a site like this is heavily frequented by traveling "foreign" mongers. But that's not how most prostitution goes down. And I don't know why some people would think that poverty isn't a main driver of prostitution. It totally is! And like you said, plenty in a poor country will even fuck for food. Let us remember the relatively recent Oxfam scandals in Haiti and Africa: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...ian-aid-world..

[Eszpresszo]

I don't think the world is in recession. I fly a lot and can tell you flights in the USA And Europe are packed with both business people and tourists. Business is good, markets are up. The travel business originating in those regions is booming. I would say the global economic boom is currently choppy across other regions.

You are correct and anyone who says we are in a worldwide recession isn't in tune with what's going on in the world. Here is what the IMF has to say about GDP growth around the globe.

https://www.imf.org/external/datamap...ADVEC/WEOWORLD

Then again, it will mean little to someone who doesn't understand what a recession is in the first place.

[WyattEarp]

The world's poorest countries namely those countries with a GDP per capita is below $1,000 per year are as follows:

The above mentioned countries have the least incidence of prostitution in the world unless mongers have frequented these countries and have had better experiences than richer countries such as in Europe, Brazil, Colombia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Panama, Dubai, etc.

I will still argue my point. For most of us here, we need a certain amount of tourist infrastructure and security. Let's throw out poor, Muslim-dominated countries for practical reasons. I don't think Muslim men are any more virtuous, but I'm guessing they aren't exactly thrilled for Westerners to come and taste the local fruit.

I know some of those countries on the list have a local scene. You can hire a guide and he would take you through the local scene step-by-step. Your money will go very far. In fact, I know some adventurous guys who had a blast in Mozambique (women, beaches, food). Since I appreciate women of all races and ethnicities, I don't have any dietary restrictions.

I second what Gropai says. A little bit of charm can easily get you some non-pros. You can probably get an all-nighter for $30-$50 in those countries.

If you are predisposed to not find African women attractive that's your prerogative. In the cities, you will find attractive, young black women in the right clubs. We are not talking about villagers who have nursed three kids by age twenty.

[ForceSteeler]

The world's poorest countries namely those countries with a GDP per capita is below $1,000 per year are as follows:

28. Sudan -- GDP per capita: $992.

27. Benin -- $966.

26. Chad -- $919.

25. Nepal -- $918.

24. Mali -- $917.

23. Guinea-Bissau -- $910.

22. Ethiopia -- $909.

21. Comoros -- $869.

20. Tajikistan -- $848.

19. Haiti -- $847.

Yes, but I think it's because those places do not have a lot of attractive women. The main reason why men monger is to sleep with attractive women that they usually won't get back home. To bang a attractive Brazilian or Colombian back in America is very hard when you think about how much money your going to have to spend on dates and time your going to waste just to get them into bed.

I hope I'm not offending anyone but places like the Congo, Sierra Leone, Rawanda, just to name a few off your list. Most of the population of girls are not attractive or just borderline ugly. If you want to bang ugly chicks you don't really need to leave the country. You can't really compare to a place like Brazil, Columbia, DR where your going to find very beautiful attractive females. Model material. I'm sure there are model chicks in the Congo but it's very few. Most of them are ugly and most guys would not pay any real money to bang a chick in the Congo. Which is why there is no real mongering scene.

[Gropai]

The world's poorest countries namely those countries with a GDP per capita is below $1,000 per year are as follows:

14. Uganda -- $711.


The above mentioned countries have the least incidence of prostitution in the world unless mongers have frequented these countries and have had better experiences than richer countries such as in Europe, Brazil, Colombia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Panama, Dubai, etc.

Man,

You should check out those places yourself before you say that. I don't know about others, but prostitution is rampant in Uganda. Almost any major club and bar have women roaming around looking for opportunities to make some money, pros, semi-pros, non-pros alike. You don't need foreign mongers to frequent this country to boost prostitution, most customers are local Africans. Men need to have sex, foreigner or not, so there's always business in the prostitution industry. In the poorest countries, women would even have sex in exchange for food instead of money. In fact, low income does make P4P easier, because the poorer a country is, the more likely you can get semi-pros or even non-pros to have sex: in Kampala, 50 percent of time you can approach a random non pro in the street and offer to have a date with her and buy her some nice things she usually can't afford, like a good meal, which is not expensive for a foreigner, and then get laid.

Bad economy does promote prostitution, because that's the fastest way, if not the only way, a hot girl can earn way more money than if she does other jobs. What brings down prostitution is something non-economical, such as government legislation, social morality, feminist awareness, etc. A good example is Cuba, which legally bans prostitution. Believe me, if prostitution was legal in Cuba, women would be crazy to sell their bodies for money. Another good example is North Korea. North Korean women are generally pretty, well, by Asian standards at least. Most of them don't need the surgery like South Korean women do to have a pretty face, but few of them think about doing prostitution to make money, even though the country's economy is bad as hell, because prostitution is highly stigmatized in the country, paid sex is regarded as a disgusting sin.

[FuckAfMedDig]

Why do you suppose the scene in Sao Paulo has been relatively left alone?

In Sao Paolo there is more money floating around than in Rio so all.

The establishments can pay the subornos to the authorities and they frequent the places as well for free-.

I know this for a fact as I met several detectives who work for SP police stationed in Rio and they all said same thing.

[Turgid]

.............And yes, I think the poorest countries generally have the highest incidences of p4p...............

The world's poorest countries namely those countries with a GDP per capita is below $1,000 per year are as follows:

28. Sudan -- GDP per capita: $992.

27. Benin -- $966.

26. Chad -- $919.

25. Nepal -- $918.

24. Mali -- $917.

23. Guinea-Bissau -- $910.

22. Ethiopia -- $909.

21. Comoros -- $869.

20. Tajikistan -- $848.

19. Haiti -- $847.

18. Rwanda -- $819.

17. Guinea -- $816.

16. Burkina Faso -- $750.

15. Liberia -- $722.

14. Uganda -- $711.

13. Togo -- $698.

12. Afghanistan -- $601.

11. Niger -- $510.

10. Sierra Leone -- $505.

9. The Gambia -- $500.

8. Madagascar -- $479.

7. Democratic Republic of Congo -- $477.

6. Mozambique -- $472.

5. Yemen -- $449.

4. Central African Republic -- $425.

3. Malawi -- $342.

2. Burundi -- $339.

1. South Sudan -- $246.

The above mentioned countries have the least incidence of prostitution in the world unless mongers have frequented these countries and have had better experiences than richer countries such as in Europe, Brazil, Colombia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Panama, Dubai, etc.

[WyattEarp]

The world is currently in recession and there are no longer the vast numbers of men with disposable income traveling to exotic locations to get their freak on. I have observed from since around 2010 a decline in the p4p experience world wide. The quality and quantity of working girls has declined significantly in every major mongering destination.

Some hobbyists are under the mistaken view that in a recession more women would be out of a job and as a result turn to prostitution but that is not necessarily the case, if it were so then the poorest countries would have the highest incidences of p4p but that is not so. It appears that recession has the opposite effect of reducing the prevalence of our hobby.

I don't think the world is in recession. I fly a lot and can tell you flights in the USA And Europe are packed with both business people and tourists. Business is good, markets are up. The travel business originating in those regions is booming. I would say the global economic boom is currently choppy across other regions.

And yes, I think the poorest countries generally have the highest incidences of p4p. When communist countries first started opening up in the 90s, they were great mongering destinations until some countries drove it underground. Also, the prices started to climb for the hottest girls in these former communist bloc countries as global mongers increased demand. I would tell you Venezuela should be where the action is heating up, but I think the hottest girls have bailed out for Spain and other countries. That's the flip side of globalization the hot girls can just as easy go to the affluent mongers in Europe and elsewhere.

I think BwanaD presents an interesting picture of today's mongering.

[Sperto]

The mongering scene has changed all throughout Brazil, but I'm not convinced it's even mainly due to governments in the cities and states trying to clean up their images...

I agree and also disagree. Depending on how far back you compare just about all capitals have lost many of their major mongering spots. Instead the prefeituras have turned some of these clean-up areas to leisure areas for families etc. Yes, the mongering spots that have suffered most are the most visible spots.

Regarding the amount of prostitution I find a big downturn, specially in the Capitals in Nordeste e.g Fortaleza, Recife, São Luís, Macapá etc. On the bright side even the most tiny cities in Brazil have puteiros. I've visted 79 cities in Brazil and I can't recall any city that didn't have any puteiro of some kind.

In the case of Copacabana the mongering is limited to Mabs, Dolce Vita, strip clubs, privées, termas, streetwalkers and girls frequenting the beach and quiosques. Vila Mimosa will be untouched unless they decide to construct the trem-bala train between Rio and São Paulo. Regarding the privées in centro. There are a few buildings that have got rid of all their privées, but there are still hundreds of privées left in centro. However the number of privées in centro have decreased the last years. Mainly because Brazil is suffering an economic crise. Less locals have money to spend on bunda so some privées have to close down.

As you wrote internet also have changed the mongering scene. The GPs use social media, escort sites etc to sell their bundas. The disadvantages are less security and in some cases less customers, but the advantages are several. No puteiro boss will take 40% of what the girls earn and they don't have to pay fines if they doesn't show up at work.

[Mr Enternational]

So they clean it up--for the English (foreigners) to see--but they do not touch the places that are largely out of sight for the foreigners: the termas, the fast-fuck casas, the massage places, even Vila Mimosa. These places have always catered to locals more than visitors because they can be hard to find, and with the exception of the termas, almost no one in the places speaks anything but Portuguese. But there are literally hundreds of privs in Copacabana and, especially, Centro, where 2, 3 or more girls are open for business.

My girlfriend lives in bum fuck Mato Grosso. Her tri-city area has 1200 people. So you got to figure that 300 or so are men. She said there are 35 fuck houses for the area. So I don't even want to think about how many there must be in a city of millions like Rio.

[Eszpresszo]

But I think its because Brazil is not a cheap destination like how it was in the 80's,90's and pre 2000's. Back then flights too Brazil were $400-$500 Dollars max. Now flights are starting at $1,000 and depending on where you live sometimes $2,000 and then you have to factor in food, women and a place to stay.

I don't think you are factoring in the rate of inflation for the USD. Food, women, and a place to stay? You mean they used to be free? Hey, no flight to anywhere costs what it did, two or three decades ago. $500 in 1888 equals $1065 today and $500 in 1998 would equal $773. And it should come as no surprise that flights to other destinations are higher than they once were. Heck, I flew from JFK to AMS for $250 round trip, back in 1978. I also earn a lot more money in pure numerical terms than I did in 1978. But, travel abroad also seemed less back in 1978, because I was young and still living with family. I had no significant living costs and my small paychecks for my entry level jobs were pure money to burn. But, once you factor in inflation, that $250 would be just shy of a grand in 2018. But, my point here is that based on the figures you are putting up, airfare to Brazil is not really any higher than it was two or three decades ago when you factor in inflation and wage growth.

I've actually found flights to Brazil and back lately, for around $773 and even a last minute fare to SP for under $700. They can also be two or three grand if you don't shop around. By most accounts from the travel industry veterans I've met, airfare to Latin America has been historically volatile, even before the internet brought inventory management to our desktops. And I'm pretty sure you are not earning the same salary now, that you did 20 years ago.

I've no idea what the prices for P4P were back then, but I would expect they wouldn't seem so cheap if you factored in your salary back then. I will say this, $500 was a big chunk of change for me, back in 1988. $1000 is not a big amount to me in 2018. Maybe some old timers can give us some prices for P4P in Brazil from the 80's relative to their actual cost in USD. I understand the currency of Brazil has changed four or five times since then, so that would only cloud the figures more if we talked about them in terms of Cruzieros / Cruzados.

[BwanaD]

All capitals in Brazil have been affected by clean-ups, even those capitals that are no major tourist destinations. However, capitals that are tourist destinations have been more affected. You mentioned Fortaleza, it has been very much affected.
The only clean-up exception is propably So Paulo.

The mongering scene has changed all throughout Brazil, but I'm not convinced it's even mainly due to governments in the cities and states trying to clean up their images.

Yes, the in-your-face mongering spots are largely gone. Help, Terrao Atlntico, Meia Pataca, Balcony Bar, all gone. But there's a Portuguese phrase in popular use in Brazil-Para os Ingles ver" (for the English to see) --that helps account for this. Many Brazilians are embarrassed to have their country (or Cariocas, their city) known as sex tourist destination. So they clean it up--for the English (foreigners) to see--but they do not touch the places that are largely out of sight for the foreigners: the termas, the fast-fuck casas, the massage places, even Vila Mimosa. These places have always catered to locals more than visitors because they can be hard to find, and with the exception of the termas, almost no one in the places speaks anything but Portuguese. But there are literally hundreds of privs in Copacabana and, especially, Centro, where 2, 3 or more girls are open for business.

The thing that's changed mongering in Brazil more than anything else is the internet. Over time, girls realized that they didn't have to hang out in a bar all day in Copacabana hoping to find a customer. Now they can advertise on any of dozens of websites (like photoacompanhantes.com) and simply wait for a guy to book an appointment. Lots of the girls I know use various social media (Facebook, Tinder, IG, Tumblr) to get their photos and info out, and every girl I know uses WhatsApp to communicate with customers and book appointments. Many of the girls prefer this arrangement to either working in a club for someone who takes a big cut of their earnings or hanging out in a street side bar all evening.

The internet allows girls to work on their own schedule, and so you end up with a fair number of part-time putas who are trying to pull in some extra cash because their hair salon or store cashier jobs pay shit. For example, I have a "friend" I've been banging for a few years. She now owns a hair salon, and she refers some of her stylists who are interested in making a little extra cash to me. I'm headed to Rio tomorrow, and today she sent me photos and contact info for two of her girls.

One side effect of the importance of the internet and social media is that it makes prostitution less visible, which makes the politicians happy, but also makes it harder for visitors, especially those who don't speak Portuguese pretty well, to find the girls and set something up.

It seems to me that there's been no downturn in the amount of prostitution in any of the Brazilian cities I visit, but it's all moved out of the public's eye. And it's nowhere near as accessible to the novice monger who doesn't speak the language. I suspect that new mongers would struggle in Brazil, and that's why many drift to Pattaya, AC, and other places where you can walk into a club, pick out a girl, and head off with her.

[Turgid]

If I am in the business of selling burgers from a concession truck and my clientele has fallen off and I am making a loss I will eventually have to close down the business all together. Ladies of the night are businesswomen and if their customer base has reduced significantly they will eventually find something else to do with their lives.

The world is currently in recession and there are no longer the vast numbers of men with disposable income traveling to exotic locations to get their freak on. I have observed from since around 2010 a decline in the p4p experience world wide. The quality and quantity of working girls has declined significantly in every major mongering destination. The only establishments I can think of that have not waned are German FKKs which I believe is due to the business smarts of the owners of these clubs. There has not been an increase in official prices in over a decade and in fact the entrance fee for many of them have been reduced.

I believe the problem in Rio is not a cleanup but just that the jefes are unable to pay the authorities the under the table payments that used to flow freely in the past and the authorities have reacted by clamping down on those establishments from which they are receiving no cash.

Some hobbyists are under the mistaken view that in a recession more women would be out of a job and as a result turn to prostitution but that is not necessarily the case, if it were so then the poorest countries would have the highest incidences of p4p but that is not so. It appears that recession has the opposite effect of reducing the prevalence of our hobby. The economics of p4p like economics generally can be complicated.

[VilaMimosa]

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