Rio de Janeiro Reports

[Bubba Boy]

Brazil doesn't have a truly functioning legal system. It is very inefficient and corrupt. The rule of law is never truly followed, it depends as much on politics as to who is right and wrong. So, the Termas operate in a gray area, they are not perfectly legal, a politician can get them shut down if he or she wishes. So in order for them to stay open, they pay certain high ranking people in the Police and Government a monthly payment to make sure no one interferes. When there are struggles within the Police or Government over who gets the bribe, a Terma can get shut down, when the power struggle is resolved, they reopen the Terma and the winner of the power struggle gets to receive the monthly bribe.

This kind of situation occurs in everyday life. Whether you are right or wrong doesn't really matter in a Brazilian court, it is more a fact of who you are up against and how much influence they have, as to who will get the outcome they desire.

[Voyajer1]

In my humble opinion, if this is legal, then why every 3 or 4 years are they shutting the brothels for? Whay are they hassling the casas for? Why the show of force by the "Prefeitura", giving customers a heart attack, giving a serious hassle to the managers and owners of these establishments, not to mention the girls if things are so cristal clear and transparent? Why do they spend so much time taking customers names, checking I'd's, hassling everyone who happen to be there on the date and time of their search and seizures?

Yes, I agree, I could care less when it happens when I'm not there, but if I'm there and chances are I will be in the middle of banging a favorite, to have authorities just interrupt my good time in the name of harrassment, it is inconceivably wrong and abusive. I pesonally hate the BS, why the hypocrisy of it all, then? Yes it is legal until they (Police, mayor, council member, secretary, whoever) needs a brown envelope?

Once again, stating how I feel about it and IMHO again, they should make the law clear: Brothels, casas, massage places are legal and men should be able to go there, grab some bunda, have relations with the girls without getting harrased by the police. Period. It is my pipe dream, but I know it will NEVER be clear because of the amounts of brown bag money being distributed. It is just the way it is going to be for the foreseable future.

Oh no, no, no. The system works just fine as it is. It's simple, Prostitution is legal, exloitation is not. That should be clear to anyone. You may get what you wish for. Please no more laws, especially in Brasil.

[Kingfish1]

Ok, so it is that time of the year ago. Prices keep going up, addresses change and some places simply fade away. So in January I believe an update is due!

If anyone has any suggestions or has picked up any mistakes in the previous report please PM (Private message) me.

Can you tell me which city is the best to party and pick up women. Sao paulo or Rio? Thank you. I have never been to Brazil.

Thanks

[Poucolouco]

Prostitution in Brazil is legal; however, pimping and exploiting women in any way, shape of fashion or making money from women in a sexual environment is not. .

Brazilian courts have been battling this grey area for years. I hope they create a law to clarify this controversial issue.

Oh no, no, no. The system works just fine as it is. It's simple, Prostitution is legal, exloitation is not. That should be clear to anyone. You may get what you wish for. Please no more laws, especially in Brasil.

[BionicMan]

Prostitution in Brazil is legal; however, pimping and exploiting women in any way, shape of fashion or making money from women in a sexual environment is not. Here is where the brothels come into play. Do they make money from exploiting women or do the women make a lot of money from working in a controlled and safe environment?

Brazilian courts have been battling this grey area for years, hence they source of the brown envelope from time to time because depending on who you ask or whose point of view, both camps, for and against prostitution are right. I hope they create a law to clarify this controversial issue.

Thanks.

That is also probbaly why when you go to a clinica you pay for the room and the mere massage, a nd anyting else (specials) are cash to the girl.

I used to pay all services to the clinica in SP long time ago, then, since some 6-7 years it all changed. Probably to avoid troubles with LE.

[Voyajer1]

Prostitution in Brazil is legal; however, pimping and exploiting women in any way, shape of fashion or making money from women in a sexual environment is not. Here is where the brothels come into play. Do they make money from exploiting women or do the women make a lot of money from working in a controlled and safe environment?

Brazilian courts have been battling this grey area for years, hence they source of the brown envelope from time to time because depending on who you ask or whose point of view, both camps, for and against prostitution are right. I hope they create a law to clarify this controversial issue.

I ask this myself too. Something is being tolerated (with brown envelopes or not, and something is really legal. I feel they are not in the full sense, otherwise they would not impose a dress code. I hope somebody puts some light with real info.

[BionicMan]

I thought brothels, i.e., Termas, were legal in Brazil. Am I mistaken? Not so sure about the prives.

I ask this myself too. Something is being tolerated (with brown envelopes or not, and something is really legal. I feel they are not in the full sense, otherwise they would not impose a dress code. I hope somebody puts some light with real info.

[Phydough]

There are still girls in front of Rio Othon but not like it used to be. If you are not sure if a girl is working, you can ask one of the beach guys. He can also introduce you. You will, in some way, pay for this if you take the girl. Tip for him or the girl will charge you more and kick it back.

[Lorenzo]

Are you referring to this article?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/03/wo.../03berlin.html

As the author mentions, more girls did come but not as many men as expected visited. Hence, business did not spike as anticipated.

In any event, it is silly to worry about negative exposure from the termas, since, if the World Cup is an indicator, large amounts of men won't descend on them. Brothel-going is generally a solitary, not a communal activity and requires disappearing from the group for an hour or more. Your (uninformed) travel group almost certainly will Ask questions if you disappear for long periods of time, so that's why (according to the author) you didn't see a corresponding spike in attendance and business at the FKKs.

On the other hand, in theory one can be in and out the R$1 / min. Places in less than a half an hour. Maybe they'll see a spike from the World Cup and the Olympics?

OK, so my memory faded a bit after 5-1/2 years. Yes, that is the same article I read; I remember reading it in the AA lounge in MIA while I was waiting for a flight to SA. After reading the article I resolved to visit FKK Artemis, which I did a few years later-marvelous place that I'd recommend to anyone. But my essential point wasn't wrong, I. E, the FKKs did get some business because of the World Cup, just not as much as expected. And I think we are in agreement on my central point, that it is stupid for the authorities to worry about negative exposure from the termas; if anything, they will help increase tourism.

However, I can't agree that it would be a problem to disappear from a travel group to go mongering. I have been in many tour groups in many parts of the world, and I always make time for mongering; the aforementioned visit to Artemis is a good example. I visited there twice when I was on a tour of Germany and the Baltic states, and also had time to monger in Lithuania and Estonia. Most tours offer considerable free time, and that is when to go, or you can even skip some of the more boring tour actvities, which I usually do anyway. And I disappear for many hours or half a day, not just for one hour. Sure, somebody might ask what you did, and I tell them I went to a jazz club or an opera or some other bullshit story. Believe me, that is a non-problem.

For isntance, FKK in Germany are fully legal, clinicas in Brazil are tolerated, as long as they behave. Brothels are legal in Gemany, rated as 'hotellerie', Can we say the same of Brazil?

I thought brothels, i.e., Termas, were legal in Brazil. Am I mistaken? Not so sure about the prives.

[MoneyShot]

BTW I was looking for working girls on the beach and had heard that they would be laying outside Othon Palace Hotel between posto 4-5. I have heard that there might be some pros beaching around posto 1 directly outside Prcs Isabel Ave. At 4x4 I heard that someone had picked up a pro in Ipanema posto 10. But neither place I saw any of this.

Anyone have an update regarding beach-action. Or did that die along with Help?

Spent most of my Beach time in front of Rio Orthon Hotel close to the old Help and did not see any GDP in the short time. Did get some looks probably because I was the only Gingo in the Area.

Even the guy renting chairs on the Beach just told me about how they had 150 girls at Terma 502 or Terma 65 in Centro.

Looked to be mostly Brazilian Tourist on my visit to Samba School, Crist, Beach etc.

[Iigorvich]

That would be casa 19, out by 1 number.

http://novamassagem.com/

Yeah sorry Casa 19 ofcourse. A typo.

Regarding the beach pickup. Would that be later in the day. Say after 2 o clock or something?

I didn't see any close to Posto 1-2?

However I saw one or two during daytime of the Balcony girls hanging out in the Kiosks directly across Balcony in front of the beach.

[Bubba Boy]

That would be casa 19, out by 1 number. http://novamassagem.com/

[Iigorvich]

I visited the former Nova massagem now Casa 18 last week. I was there early as per tips from this forum. I must have been the first client of the day. Lots of confusion since I don't understand portuguese and the mamasan didn't understand english. But she kept asking for which girl I wanted. But since I hadn't been introduced to any I couldn't give her an answer.

After a few minutes she realized I hadn't looked in their website so she send them in to my room one by one. But no-one came in. Then the old maasam came back so I could still not make my descision. She finally realized that she send the girls to the wrong room (by now there was another customer there) There were around 10 girls to choose from. I always kind of make my descison based on how hard their handshake is along with first impression og looks / attitude. So I choose Juliana. So after 10 minutes a girl comes in. But NOT the one I choose. (I guess the other client choose the same girl as me and I was the unlucky one). Anyway I choose to bang this girl, which actually had the worst handshake of all the girls. Turned out she was pretty good. 90 R for 1 hour. Like reported before facilities here are very good. The action was as well. What I would rate 8/10. Best place I visited for low-budget action. I'm still a Therma 4x4 guys. I never had a bad experience here. Toplevel girls and their workrate likewise.

BTW I was looking for working girls on the beach and had heard that they would be laying outside Othon Palace Hotel between posto 4-5. I have heard that there might be some pros beaching around posto 1 directly outside Prcs Isabel Ave. At 4x4 I heard that someone had picked up a pro in Ipanema posto 10. But neither place I saw any of this.

Anyone have an update regarding beach-action. Or did that die along with Help?

[Kid Cisco]

Thanks KC, One of the Thing I love most about women is they are Attracted / Controlled more by Our Personality, Looks and money help but if your Game is weak like mine was that night you can not blame A Woman or Ho for take advantage. I believe 90% of men are controlled my women in this world and they hate it, anyway.

Balcony had 1-2 Fine Girls every night but the place had lots of Drama Around it. Still a good place to hang and meet fellow mongers for a few Drinks.

I agree I have always said when I hear guys crying about how much money they spent in a strip club on drinks and lap dances I say look the girls / dancers was doing their job their job is to get you and other guys to buy them drinks and pay for dancers and to take them to VIP and to make the club money and they will get their cut so don't be mad at them, it's up to you to control yourself and not get played..

I tell chicks right off the bat look I don't pay for dances or drinks inside the Club but if you want to party with me down the road at one of those hotels for a few hours and make some $$ here is my number and give me a call... that will work 65-70% of the time.. this way I won't be out of $200-$300 only to find out she won't do anything outside the Club..

This is WHY I will tell guys before they go to places like Balcony or Mia P. And the other places around the area is to go to the Termas 1st! And get some sessions under your belt so you won't be so horny and hard up were you won't be on your " A game" and fall victim to one of those sharks looking for a prey at Balcony.

When I hear girls tell me it will be 300 reals right off the bat before they even know my name or they ask me can I buy them and their friends drinks or some fries and chicken I tell them YES I can buy you and your crew some drinks and food BUT will I buy you drinks etc. ? The answer is NO! And some would look at me and go WHY? You don't like the way I look? I just laugh and say look honey I can't blame you for asking me BUT if you can at least tell me something about myself like what is my name? Or were am I from? I wouldn't fell like I was just another Trick you were looking to prey on so forget baby I am not interested.

There are always warning signs these sharks will give off (they can't help it) it is in their nature BUT it is up to you to spot them.

But, for this to be your 1st trip Moneyshot I think you did well for yourself you got around to different Termas and went to some apt's and check out some chicks I would say next time you go try to line up one of those Termas or Apt ho to come by your place later that night. This way

A. The ho won't be so fast to rip you off because you will know were to find her because you know were she works.

B. You already had a session with her so you know and she know what the deal is (there won't be any surprises like I don't suck your dick without a rubber or I don't do anal without another 50-100 reals).

C. The session will be on your home field.

Also I have met and chatted and exchanged pictures with over 30-40 girls on Facebook in the past year that I plan on hooking up with EVEN if most of them don't show up or don't give up the ass I feel I should be able to do at least 15-18 of them MANY of them have Facebook pictures of them inside of the old Club Help showing half of their ass. Or they have some sexy pictures of them on some trick bed LOL the only thing I plan on doing is taking them out for some drinks and dinner. But trust me I won't waste my money or my vacation time dealing with someone that isn't going to go along with my program!


Something else I would like to add, I also notice is many of these ex Club Help and ex Termas girls have ran off to Europe to be taking cared of by some older Trick/Simp and many of them just can't wait to hook up with me when I come to Rio very soon ( I have seen some of them off and on over the years ) they even told me to use their private e-mail address whenever I want to talk about something private or when they want to send me pictures, I am amazed at how much these guys trust these chicks .... many of them have sneak out to see me when they come to Rio with their older Trick/ Sugar Daddy /Simp ... the reason I have such a hard view on these chicks is because I know many of them and seen them in action and they have laugh and told me how they have played guys or rip off guys or how much they have had guys send them from Western Union...


So, all I can do is past on to the guys on here advice it's up to them to use it or not..

Kid Cisco

[MoneyShot]

MoneyShot,

Thanks for the reporting this will help me with my up coming trip VERY soon! This give me some intel on the mind-set of these chicks now, I started going to Rio back in the late, late 70's. Things was so much different pick up a chick at the beach or mall and you could hang out for a few days and she would never ask for money. Most of these girls would be happy just to be able to walk around Rio with a American guy that would take them to dinner and to nice Disco's they couldn't afford to go to on their own. Back than a guy had to be able to use his mouth and (I am not talking about eating out some hooker pussy either) LOL what I mean is a guy had to have some type of game that would make the chick want to hang out with you and find you interesting. It wasn't so up front with how much $$? And how long? And do you do anal? All that was understood. Is what you gave her was a fun time go to tourist places together and she would act as a tour guide taking you and showing you around to nice place and this would make her friends jealous.

But, now today you have a lot more lonely tricks going there allowing these chicks to read them and run game on them. As time go by and Rio change so do the girls and we have to change too. So much for being a nice guy! As we all know many times in Rio over the past few years you can find nice guys in their hotel rooms being found dead after picking up one of these Balcony girls.

I enjoyed reading your post MoneyShot and I will post something when I return too, as some of you know I have a different style when it comes to this mongering game some may say I am hard or rough etc. But after going to Rio alone for decades it have worked for me when a chick talks 200-300 reals at a place like Balcony it is time for me to get up and move without saying a word. 99% of the time she will find me and come back with a better offer of how much will I pay or just say 100-150 reals if she wants to be with me. Many times these girls are trying to size you up and trying to see if you are a simp or some easy mark. They can run game on and they won't respect you and will prey on you. And if you are there for a few more days or week she will tell all of her crew that you was a simp and they all will come at you and I want and I need this for taxi and I need 50 reals more for (anal) LOL LOL I most say this is a new one for me LOL

If some chick come in your room and start popping bottles and eating up shit out of your mini bar not only is that rude that is showing disrespect to you and that means I will show NO respect to her I will tell her you owe me 30 reals for the drinks and chips from the mini bar I will take that out of your price. We agree on! And say that will a hard face like you mean it trust me I do. As far as anal goes or pictures goes you make that part of your interview process and agree to the taxi fare as far as I care the price I pay them they pay for their taxi out of that. Hell most of them rip off tricks for taxi fare at 30-40 reals a pop and than take a bus LOL LOL

When that hooker started asking for more money 100 reals more and 50 reals for anal the best move is to go to the door and open it and call down or at least pick up the phone to call the front desk that she will be escorted down. See how fast she will drop to her knees crying giving you a blow job and spreading her ass cheeks giving you anal (to be honest when I let these chicks know I am the boss and I am running this show they get turned on and horny) LOL no chicks like having sex with a male that she feels is weak or she can push them around. Real talk just talk with your female friends they will tell you the same.

What shock me is the total price $$$ this Balcony hooker made off with 350 reals from you. And did she ask for taxi money on top of that? At 200am the price should go down not up! Maybe some will ask for 200 reals at 900pm but after midnight to me I will never pay over 150 the going rate for me is 100-150 reals and I will tell them if she is good I will see her again. Also to make sure there is no Bull shit in the hotel room let them know up front at Balcony that you will pay them at the end! And not up front and if they have a problem with that they can find another mark. And you can signal over another chick as well remember eyes are watching and these girls will talk and ask questions with each other on how much you paid and how big your dick is and can you fuck? Etc. Etc.

I tell them all if you give me any Bull shit in the room you need to have your taxi money ready because I will ask you to leave and you risk being banned from my hotel too.

Also with this chick being from Argentina maybe that is how they run game on tricks there changing prices and asking more for anal and bullshit like that who knows I never been to Argentina all I know is how I played the game in Rio for decades and what I am willing to put up with. And that isn't much trust me. I am willing to take my ass home if need be alone. There is always another day and more hookers to be had I don't have to bring a chick back if things isn't going to be the way I want them to be we as mongers have to have some type of self control and don't blame it on being horny or being late etc. Etc. There is never a excuse to me for any of these chicks to disrespect me. Or try to run game on me I have even asked them do you think I am some type of a easy mark? Also never tell them this is your 1st time in Rio if you do they will try to play you for whatever they can get out of you.

Thanks for reporting Moneyshot and I will try to hunt this green eyed Argentina girl down and I will fuck the shit out of her and do her anal and pull the tracks out of her weave LOL LOL (just a joke I am sure she have real hair) put I will try to pull it out LOL I would LOVE to see her picture because after reading how she acted I normally wouldn't want shit to do with her put for some reason I like turning the tables on these types of chicks.

I am glad you had a good time Moneyshot trust me guys when we try to point out things a monger did right or wrong it isn't to put him down (at least this isn't my intention) most mongers 1st time in Rio they will make mistakes they isn't use to the power of the Bunda LOL and many loose their minds I know Doctors and Lawyers to even street guys that are now well known rappers that loose their minds and over pay these chicks, I am sure back in the 70's when I was much younger I made mistakes. But I was willing to learn and most important listen to other older mongers that showed me and teach me the game. We should take these trip reports as a teaching moment. No matter how perfect a mission would seem to go when I was in the NAVY there was always something my team and unit could have done better.

What I have learned most in my life is being able to walk from a deal or a person IF he or she try to disrespect me. Be it a car salesmen etc. Just the other day I had a guy at a Apple store try to loud talk me in the store and I felt was being rude to me after I paid over $3, 000 just a few years ago for a 17inch upgraded MacBook PRO I look him in the eyes looking down on him because I stand 6'5 and pull out my phone in front of him without saying a word and called one of his managers from home that gave me his home phone number if I ever had a problem and he wasn't there you should have seen this guy face LOL before it was said and done (I am getting some new parts and free labor at no cost) that could have cost me over $1, 200. And the clown at the store kept saying he was sorry etc.

The bottom line when these girls try to fuck you around is to walk. The second these girls ask for 200 reals or ask for more money or go in your min bar without asking it is time to open the door and show it to them.

Kid Cisco

Thanks KC, One of the Thing I love most about women is they are Attracted / Controlled more by Our Personality, Looks and money help but if your Game is weak like mine was that night you can not blame A Woman or Ho for take advantage. I believe 90% of men are controlled my women in this world and they hate it, anyway.

Balcony had 1-2 Fine Girls every night but the place had lots of Drama Around it. Still a good place to hang and meet fellow mongers for a few Drinks.