Rio de Janeiro Reports

[PepolesBuddy]

What are the best swing clubs in rio? Looking to go. How much is the cover and does anyone have their names / instagrams?

[Steve 9696]

Hmmm prices. Minimum wage. Cell phones. Is anyone actually fucking anyone in Rio? Do tell! 😜.

[Nounce]

This is one example.

...A girl that's been in this game a while (and become well-known among the gringo crowd on FB or SA) might feel emboldened to hold out for a higher rate. I don't want that girl. The newer girls are generally a better experience.

I will add some context based on my experience. Brazilians are generally nicer in negotiation. They don't get offended easily like the Paisas. They will either say no, or say something like the following image. Paisas are frequently rude. They will say something like who told you I would leave my house for XXX amount or something like that. But the reaction may have to do with the level of education so I am not really sure either

[Nounce]

Not necessarily. She could only have 1 or 2 long term sugar daddies prior, and once she is back on the market, her asking rate will be based on what she was getting from her SDs before. Prostitution is not your typical professional career, where you salary commensurates with your experience, education level, KPIs, etc. If a girl is hot and she knows it, she can easily start off with high rates at Scandallo. There is no need to gain experience working at clinicas or streets prior to working at Scandallo.

I am trying to point out an irony without being too explicit. Some people value mileage so they will not go for what is considered high mileage ones and in this context, the high price. Borrow the investing term, high price ones are either fully valued or over valued, relative to the low mileage ones that are more likely to be undervalued.

[MiamiBoy1]

What I am trying to say is not about how much. Let's look at it from the mileage point of view. I think most girls charge less when her hypothetical mileage is 0. By the time the girl get to 300/ HR, her mileage is higher.

We are conditioned one way or the other by the cost of the country we come from. That is why I did the 300 proposal earlier because that is below my comfort zone, believe it or not.

Not necessarily. She could only have 1 or 2 long term sugar daddies prior, and once she is back on the market, her asking rate will be based on what she was getting from her SDs before. Prostitution is not your typical professional career, where you salary commensurates with your experience, education level, KPIs, etc. If a girl is hot and she knows it, she can easily start off with high rates at Scandallo. There is no need to gain experience working at clinicas or streets prior to working at Scandallo.

[Nounce]

$300/1 HR in Medellin? She can ask whatever she wants, and some sucker might pay it, but no matter how hot she is, I bet she won't get that rate consistently. Thank god, every city or venue has going rates in place, if costs of living and minimum / average wages were completely ignored and every monger paid whatever he was quoted, then we would not have them.

What I am trying to say is not about how much. Let's look at it from the mileage point of view. I think most girls charge less when her hypothetical mileage is 0. By the time the girl get to 300/ HR, her mileage is higher.

We are conditioned one way or the other by the cost of the country we come from. That is why I did the 300 proposal earlier because that is below my comfort zone, believe it or not.

[Dg8787]

I never said that a minimum wage job is equal to prostitution or should be equally paid. My point is that costs of living in each city / country and minimum wages should be taken into account when comparing p4 p rates in different countries. Don't you think that if city A in one country and city be in another country have exact same costs of living and minimum wages, they should have similar p4 p rates?

The law of supply and demand along with cost and risks of doing business determines pricing.

[PdSuave]

I had a similar experience at Riosul last month. Buying the sim card is no problem though. I bought a TIM sim card at the stationary shop located near the north-western exit. The real problem is having it activated. Don't expect any help from the staff at any of the mobile operator shops. You have to call a (free) number but you get a labyrinth of menus and everything is pre-recorded in Portuguese. Fortunately, the people of my Airbnb helped me with it. Your name, nationality and passport number are required for the registration. After this, I went back to the TIM shop on the second floor to buy enough credit for Internet usage for 3 weeks. I don't remember how much I paid. Other guys wasted less time in other locations, though. You can find several posts on this subject in the Rio thread if you go just a few weeks back.

Google Fi.

[Anaggie]

I never said that a minimum wage job is equal to prostitution or should be equally paid. My point is that costs of living in each city / country and minimum wages should be taken into account when comparing p4 p rates in different countries. Don't you think that if city A in one country and city be in another country have exact same costs of living and minimum wages, they should have similar p4 p rates?

Yes and no. I think there are many other factors at play other than the ones you mentioned above. Access and ease to P4 P, local laws surrounding P4 P, and even local attitudes would make a difference in pricing. This is even before factoring local pricing vs tourist pricing. I just don't think looking at minimum wage and cost of living translates to P4 P pricing.

[Bucanero]

Today I went to Claro in Rio Sul shopping mall and they wouldn't sell a sim card. They told me that the manager doesn't want to do it anymore. TIM on the second floor asked for approx. 300 R for 12 gb. Declined. Did anyone else encountered this issue? Any solutions?

I had a similar experience at Riosul last month. Buying the sim card is no problem though. I bought a TIM sim card at the stationary shop located near the north-western exit. The real problem is having it activated. Don't expect any help from the staff at any of the mobile operator shops. You have to call a (free) number but you get a labyrinth of menus and everything is pre-recorded in Portuguese. Fortunately, the people of my AirBNB helped me with it. Your name, nationality and passport number are required for the registration. After this, I went back to the TIM shop on the second floor to buy enough credit for Internet usage for 3 weeks. I don't remember how much I paid. Other guys wasted less time in other locations, though. You can find several posts on this subject in the Rio thread if you go just a few weeks back.

[MiamiBoy1]

So. I have a question or maybe a few questions:

1) how does one compare the minimum wage of a worker in Brazil or anywhere for that matter to be equal to the work done by an escort? Is it the same kind of work? What qualifies as minimum wage work in Brazil?

2) let's look at the expense side of things does a minimum wage worker need to get her hair done, her nails done, buy nice dresses, pay for gym membership and try to eat healthy (which by the way is pretty damn expensive) to work at her job?

3) does a minimum wage worker have to answer calls all day from creeps, weirdos and perverts and then meet said creeps at some hotel where she has no idea what kind of animal will open the door? I have seen some nasty motherfuckers in clubs and bars and I really felt sorry for the girl that this person chose to take home. Smelly, fat as fuck, crappy hygiene. You know the type. I am not saying we are all like that but they do exist. I can see how some may say that the girl might chose this profession so she knows what she is getting into and that is why she sets her price.

I have seen many lower wage workers in my work travels around Brazil, Mexico, Bolivia, Colombia, Argentina, Hong Kong, Dubai and India and I have never ever given them a second glance. I have seen some true knockouts at Scandello, at 4 x4, in Mexico, in the bars in Dubai and in Wan Chai and my mouth stayed open. Now I am sure those women have much higher maintenance expense than the lower wage workers. So why shouldn't they charge more?

I am not saying whether paying a certain price is a good deal or not. I believe that is up to the person who is negotiating. I am just asking. Why are we comparing minimum wages to a profession that has certain expenses and dangers associated with it for the person participating in that profession? How is it equal?

I never said that a minimum wage job is equal to prostitution or should be equally paid. My point is that costs of living in each city / country and minimum wages should be taken into account when comparing p4 p rates in different countries. Don't you think that if city A in one country and city be in another country have exact same costs of living and minimum wages, they should have similar p4 p rates?

[MiamiBoy1]

I am wondering if the same 300/ HR girls charge the same rate when they first started? You think they absolutely didn't work in a factory before? Do you think the same 300/hr girl can charge the same rate in Sao Paulo and in Medellin?

$300/1 HR in Medellin? She can ask whatever she wants, and some sucker might pay it, but no matter how hot she is, I bet she won't get that rate consistently. Thank god, every city or venue has going rates in place, if costs of living and minimum / average wages were completely ignored and every monger paid whatever he was quoted, then we would not have them.

[Nounce]

...I have seen some true knockouts at Scandello, at 4 x4, in Mexico, in the bars in Dubai and in Wan Chai and my mouth stayed open...

I am wondering if the same 300/ HR girls charge the same rate when they first started? You think they absolutely didn't work in a factory before? Do you think the same 300/hr girl can charge the same rate in Sao Paulo and in Medellin?

[The Cane]

So. I have a question or maybe a few questions:

1) how does one compare the minimum wage of a worker in Brazil or anywhere for that matter to be equal to the work done by an escort? Is it the same kind of work? What qualifies as minimum wage work in Brazil?

2) let's look at the expense side of things does a minimum wage worker need to get her hair done, her nails done, buy nice dresses, pay for gym membership and try to eat healthy (which by the way is pretty damn expensive) to work at her job?

3) does a minimum wage worker have to answer calls all day from creeps, weirdos and perverts and then meet said creeps at some hotel where she has no idea what kind of animal will open the door? I have seen some nasty motherfuckers in clubs and bars and I really felt sorry for the girl that this person chose to take home. Smelly, fat as fuck, crappy hygiene. You know the type. I am not saying we are all like that but they do exist. I can see how some may say that the girl might chose this profession so she knows what she is getting into and that is why she sets her price.

I have seen many lower wage workers in my work travels around Brazil, Mexico, Bolivia, Colombia, Argentina, Hong Kong, Dubai and India and I have never ever given them a second glance. I have seen some true knockouts at Scandello, at 4 x4, in Mexico, in the bars in Dubai and in Wan Chai and my mouth stayed open. Now I am sure those women have much higher maintenance expense than the lower wage workers. So why shouldn't they charge more?

I am not saying whether paying a certain price is a good deal or not. I believe that is up to the person who is negotiating. I am just asking. Why are we comparing minimum wages to a profession that has certain expenses and dangers associated with it for the person participating in that profession? How is it equal?

When making comparisons a lot goes into it. But, you absolutely must look at the types of labor being performed and what it takes to do a good job. Too many people think that just because it's sex work that it's legitimate to equate that work with a minimum wage job. I strongly disagree, and you point out several good reasons why that's not always the most appropriate comparison. Another thing to consider is that sex work is of an extremely intimate and personal nature and, depending on what services the sex worker offers, can be quite demanding and draining upon the provider's person, both physically and mentally. That's all worth something when it comes to placing a value on services rendered. And like you, I'm not talking about whether a certain price is a good deal or not. No, what I am saying is that in determining what is or isn't a good price, just remember that all sex work isn't just like doing some lowly, minimum wage job.

It's not as simple as that, and even within the whole world of "tutes" if you will, there are different levels of tutes with some of them and the services they deliver (and how that delivery occurs) being closer to minimum wage work or even less (street stank hoor), while others deliver services in a way that is more professional in nature (sophisticated call girl). Now, I'm not one of these guys who subscribes to the mantra that when it comes to women that all the "product" is the same, and only worth but so much. Rather, some women are Buicks, some are BMWs, and some are Bentleys. And they should, and you must expect, that they will charge accordingly. So, circulate in the market (s) that work for you and your wealth level, and how you want to spend your money. Just remember that not all women, and that includes the tutes, are worth the same (minimum wage). And whether you believe that or not? Remember that they do, and will act accordingly.

[Anaggie]

And this only proves my point (discussed in the SP thread). She is making just above $600/ month working 6 shifts a week, 24 shifts total per month. Below $30 (USD) per shift. But some garotas have a nerve to ask $300 (yes, USD) per hour, this is ridiculous. And guys not even negotiating, thinking it is a great deal.

So. I have a question or maybe a few questions:

1) how does one compare the minimum wage of a worker in Brazil or anywhere for that matter to be equal to the work done by an escort? Is it the same kind of work? What qualifies as minimum wage work in Brazil?

2) let's look at the expense side of things — does a minimum wage worker need to get her hair done, her nails done, buy nice dresses, pay for gym membership and try to eat healthy (which by the way is pretty damn expensive) to work at her job?

3) does a minimum wage worker have to answer calls all day from creeps, weirdos and perverts and then meet said creeps at some hotel where she has no idea what kind of animal will open the door? I have seen some nasty motherfuckers in clubs and bars and I really felt sorry for the girl that this person chose to take home. Smelly, fat as fuck, crappy hygiene. You know the type. I am not saying we are all like that but they do exist. I can see how some may say that the girl might chose this profession so she knows what she is getting into and that is why she sets her price.

I have seen many lower wage workers in my work travels around Brazil, Mexico, Bolivia, Colombia, Argentina, Hong Kong, Dubai and India and I have never ever given them a second glance. I have seen some true knockouts at Scandello, at 4 x4, in Mexico, in the bars in Dubai and in Wan Chai and my mouth stayed open. Now I am sure those women have much higher maintenance expense than the lower wage workers. So why shouldn't they charge more?

I am not saying whether paying a certain price is a good deal or not. I believe that is up to the person who is negotiating. I am just asking. Why are we comparing minimum wages to a profession that has certain expenses and dangers associated with it for the person participating in that profession? How is it equal?