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11-01-09 00:21 #2692
Posts: 421Help replacement
What if GDPs and gringoes will loot Mud Bug, next to Copacabana Palace? Lots of space, not nearly as big as Help but somewhat bigger than Balcony. Also its already very western style.... Only but is that the owners do not encourage such business... Mud Bug is packed with brasilians anyway... But if gringoes go there, GDPs will follow.
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10-31-09 23:17 #2691
Posts: 2278Balcony - Sometimes what looks like Winning actually is Losing
Just had an interesting discussion with someone about Balcony and the GDP clientele. They seemed to think just because the place had a lot of people around that it was a good business. Not the business I would want. I go there and will most likely go there later tonight. The girls take up space and spend virtually nothing. Guys come because of the girls and many of them too spend very little. Compared to the club next door, which was lining middle-class Brazilians out in the street paying cover and drinks the last time I was here, Balcony bar makes chicken feed. Unless someone is making money directly off the GDPs, which is illegal, I can think of no reason to want them anywhere near your business.
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10-31-09 21:47 #2690
Posts: 4053Life after Help.
I'm curios to see what the Copa-scene will look after Help closes.
Frankly, I don't expect much differences. Balcony will be the winner. MP will get some of the cake. Prado Junior will also get a bite.
It's not like it's an army of Help-girls that get employed. They'll propably just spread out:
- The lazy spoilt ones will continue trying their luck in Copa. After a couple of years they'll understand that they have passed the data de validade and disappears.
- The clever and good-looking GPs enters a a new market with brazilian customers or start working at a terma or Centro casa.
- The desperate GPs start running after old gringos in Copa. Get me pregnant and marry me!
- The poor coke-GPs will do their tricks on the pista and fade away quickly.
- The hardworking GPs gets down to VM to do some real honest work.
- The smart GPs have money saved and opens up a small shop etc.
- The GPs who lost their hope will return to the Norteast/interior or try to marry a poor guy in a favela.
Most propably will more Balcony-style places open where gringos will fell comfortable and attract the Copa GPs.
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10-31-09 21:22 #2689
Posts: 608Originally Posted by Lukasek
* Help opening a venue in Villa Mimosa ?
* A samba school where garotas could meet turistas ?
* Some spots in Lapa that are already packed with prostitutes at night ? (av Gomes Freire, av Augusto Severo, etc)
* Circo voador, also in Lapa ?
* Carioca da Gema and other music venues in Lapa that could turn into meat markets ?
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10-31-09 20:53 #2688
Posts: 372Originally Posted by Lukasek
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10-31-09 19:02 #2687
Posts: 12Apartment Rental
Anyone ever rent from this woman? Rita Codanda
I'm still looking for a place to stay on my last night 12-30-09 I depart on the 31th late. (News Years) This woman has a nice apt but I'm not sure if It's legit. I'm very disappointed to hear HELP is closing. I have an apt near HELP rented for most of my trip and was looking forward to checking it out.
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10-31-09 15:41 #2686
Posts: 1538Originally Posted by Lukasek
True to brasilian form, they will raise the price of the apartments because less people are staying there. Exact opposite of the American mindset of (Less demand = lower prices).
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10-31-09 15:20 #2685
Posts: 4053Originally Posted by Lukasek
The majority of the tourists renting apartments in Copa ain't gringos but brazilian tourists (except at the agencies run by gringos, who live on overcharging gringos).
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10-31-09 14:56 #2684
Posts: 1699So far as it is sure Help will close, better sooner than later, especially I am curious about where the girls will move.... Balcony and MP are too small for all the GDP that in january were inside Help.
Btw could we expect that the apts around Help will become a bit cheaper now ? Cause for example me, now I would prefer an apt between MC and L'Uomo or close to a metro station instead walking distance from Help.
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10-31-09 14:41 #2683
Posts: 2025Originally Posted by Lennox
All the other places like the termas, like barbarellas are smaller venues tucked away on side streets that are not out in the open. I have never seen any regular tourist site complain about 4x4 or Luomo or Barbarellas or any casa downtown or VM because no one can see them, they are neatly tucked away and will probably survive for that reason.
I for one will miss Help and agree with everybody that Help isn't as good today as it was 10 years ago. I particularly enjoyed the music and the central location it provided for girls to come from all over Brazil to go to especially on Spring Break to make a few bucks. Maybe they'll still come but take over another club or congregate in the various cafes along Ave. Atlantica like they did years ago before Help was there.
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10-31-09 12:23 #2682
Posts: 4053Originally Posted by Lennox
You don't think seriously that Brazil will suffer economically because of the loss of some mongers who will boycott Brazil as a destination, because of Help closing?
Closing Help doesn't mean the end of mongering in Rio. Help had it coming, as their 25 year lease was up. They might close a couple of termas temporary as well, as a political show, but there will always be a wast supply of GP-services in Rio. No worries!
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10-31-09 10:12 #2681
Posts: 401Originally Posted by Lennox
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10-31-09 08:02 #2680
Posts: 1243Originally Posted by Sangue Bon
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10-31-09 06:36 #2679
Posts: 96Closing of Help may just be beginning
As the 2016 Olympics come, I expect to see much of the places we enjoy going away. If they can take out Help, any of the others can go too. I'm glad we all got to enjoy Rio before the fun places we have enjoyed were closed.
I wonder how much Brazil will lose in tourism dollars over the next decade, I think Brazil sees itself as a major economic player and wants to eliminate this part of the economy.
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10-31-09 06:21 #2678
Posts: 2025Originally Posted by Lorenzo