Rio de Janeiro Reports

[Filho]

A question to the experienced Rio guys here: what do you do on a Sunday, when all the Termas are closed, the Prives too and none of you numbers are working? What is you suggestion for a good day time / early evening session?

[Filho]

I agree what is written about 4 x4. 80% or even 90% of the girls there I would also not consider worth fucking. But I have never had a disappointing visit there. You just have to be patient. Eventually, a good girl will show up. I have not been often to Solarium. My opinion is, that they might have more good looking girls but they also have a bigger attitude. As I like to fuck perfectly shaped asses and do all kinds of dirty things with girls, this does not mix well. Monte Carlo is overpriced in my mind. The best experiences I must say I had in LÚomos But that is years ago sadly.

Best is to collect a solid amount of numbers from Mabs or other places, then you always can call them should you not be up for a terma. I have found real gems there. But also here: 80-90% is not what I find attractive. But I agree, it all comes down to taste.

[Vagabundo1]

In terms of CPF (Cost Per Fuck), the sweet spot has been centro prives and trash termas.

The CPF is 150 r or 30 r USD. Alot of the best prive girls are as good as the terma girls, but they just don't want to work at night.

We are now in and will be for the next 6 months, the best time IMHO.

Just last night / this morning, Vagabundo had a pornstar from sao paulo over pernoite. On the plus side, she is a porn star, and we fucked, and she actually cleaned, did like a awesome job cleaning, and I only payed her 300 r for overnight. One the downside, she only fucked once as opposed to the minimum 2 and as many as 5 times I fuck with my regulars. We watched Dom again and Cidade de deus and Tropa de elite so I could pacify her Brazilian ears with some portoguese. Anyway, she used to work at a SP Clinica, then got wifed up by one of the owners, and now she doesn't have that relationship, which was predictable.

On the downside too, is the fuck was too fast, bureaucratic, covered, and the experience has me thinking how bad a biz and life porn is. The prives are actually a source of hot new girls and much, much, much better sex.

Well, and on VM, I did go there last Sunday as a bunch of new in town ISGers were looking for a Sunday fuck, and I met up with an ISGer at VM. We did a quick circle on the you, and I found Monique, and we fucked covered and the cost was 115 r, which is a substantial rise from the usual 70 r or 80 r before. Maybe I got gringoéthe? Anyway VM really does suck. We did go up to the 'suite'which was bigger. She brought a sheet, but the room was filled with beer bottles and condoms. With prives you get a clean room. But it is what it is.

If you're going to be here for a period longer than a few weeks, and you should, then it is impertative to tie into non mongering groups like sports or education. The mongering life by itself is toxic, like pure alcohol, which will poison you if taken unadulterated.

[Nounce]

What would be a good time to try 4 X 4 and Perola Negra? Never been to either. I tried to go to 4 X 4 one night and the uber dropped me off in what looked like a bunch of abandoned buildings in a really shady area and there was no sign of anyone, I was confused. Are the girls quality at the above two mentioned establishments?

4 x4 is not a place to go too late. The girls work in shifts. If you are concerned about safety, go around 5 or 6 when there are still a lot of working people. I remember this is the time shift changes. The girls that start the shift may take another hour to prepare themselves before actually showing up in the club area.

[Mr Enternational]

Also will ask you if you're a cop, and legally no charges can be filled if a real cop lies. When you live in the US and want P4 P you must know these tricks unfortunately.

Where did you hear that from? That is not true at all. If that was the case then there would be no such thing as undercover police work, because all the criminals would have to do is ask everyone they associate with if they are a cop. They can lie all they want.

[Axel Heyst]

MT, that is an interesting post on punting in Miami. I live near Miami so I could easily explore this venue if I wanted to, but I prefer not. I extremely dislike the idea of playing cops and robbers and the girls in this price range, especially North American girls in this price range, do not interest me in the slightest. I prefer to save my money so I can afford to fuck the best looking girls wherever I choose to travel for the 10 to 12 weeks of free time I have per year.

Now back to the issue at hand:

If I'm going to spend 400/500 r + drinks / room I must have an 8/9 at least and very picky. So I didn't session at 4 X4 which I tried last Mon., my theory failed that night but almost worked as there wasnt too many dudes but also only few girls, only 2 solid 8's which were grabbed quickly. Tried Perola Negra last Sat and best ones were all busy. I'm going to try early evenings like 5-8 pm Tues.

I have been to 4 x4 many times and I enjoy the ambiance and the what not, but dude, I have never seen an 8 in 4 x4 or for that matter I have only seen a very small number of near 7's there which makes my point in a previous post that " CPF internet discussions <snip are usually conducted in the dark since most ISG'ers including myself will not post facial pics of our favorite girls on the internet for obvious reasons and without pics, CPF discussions can only make sense if you think girls are fungible like a bushel of soybeans. " Your 8 may be my 5. 5. My 7. 5 may be your "not worth my time or money. " It comes down to a matter of personal taste and personal wallet constraints.

In regard to timing: the best time to go varies terma to terma. So punters need to test the waters and find out for themselves when the best time for them is to go.

I have never been to to 4 x4 earlier than 8 pm. I prefer going around 10 or a little later because by 10 pm the party party is going strong and that is why I like to go there. I enjoy the 4 x4 circus circus ambiance with naked girls writhing around on the alcohol stained floor and sexually engaging with some of the customers. It is fairly wild. I always manage to find a fuckable girl there although it ain't always easy to spot one because there are not that many that I want, but then I have lowered my sights before I even enter the place and I do not looking to find beauty here, so it is not a problem.

Solarium is a different story. I usually find a few very attractive girls (my opinion) in the 6 to 7 range in this bordello although I have never seen an 8 here. So, I prefer going to Solarium between 5:30 and 6:30 because when I go there, I don't like to wait for a girl I want (there are not many of them) and I prefer them fresh. The ambiance at Solarium is friendly and upscale, KKK, for a RJ terma, but the reason I go to Solarium is to shag pretty girls not party party.

Perola Negra is IMHO a late night terma. I have been there as early as 9 pm and it was fucking DEAD. I know some guys really like this joint, but I don't quite get it although I have met a few pretty nice girls there, but this place joint is just not one of my favorites. Again, I am just illustrating my point: different strokes for different folks.

[Nebulousity]

No such thing as a 1000 r Brazilian, chomps pay that then she'll go to another club and charge 100 r or freelancing online for a lot less, and of course giving it free to some.

Flight cost is of course part of the cost but there is value to enjoying travel in and of itself, especially if you enjoy the environment, music, culture, and mindset of your destination. There is also the value of convenience, comfort, and being in a place where what you want is readily accessible. It's still important to be informed what is the norm at each location, from high end to low end. But when factoring in all the layers of value, cost is a more complex calculation.

[Xpartan]

The $10 pussies are what I want to tell my buds about, VM and everything cause that's what's rare.

Well, you can still talk to your buds about these unicorn $10 pussies, but you won't find them in real life. Granted it's been years since I last ventured into those paradisiacal urine-stench alleys of VM, but even then a 30-minute session would set you back $16-20, and I doubt it's gotten cheaper since then.

Trash venues are only cheap up to a point. If you're OK with a 30-minute humping in despicable conditions, sure you can save loads of money. But if you want to take your sweet time, that's going to start costing more very quickly, and if you're -- god forbid -- not inclined to have sex in the same sweat- and jizz-soaked sheets used by generations of johns and hookers before you, then we're looking into the same 200-300 reals territory of a relatively decent prive. So what's the point again?

Of course, if you're in Rio for weeks or months, then sure, go to trash prives and collect numbers. But it's still going to cost you way more than $10. Otherwise, I wouldn't bother unless out of curiosity.

[MaddTraveler]

I find it hard to believe you are getting 200 usd cpf in miami, Florida. It may be possible but I doubt the quality of a 200 usd girl in miami is the same as a 1000 r brazilian in rio. I'm happy to be corrected on this.

No such thing as a 1000 r Brazilian, chomps pay that then she'll go to another club and charge 100 r or freelancing online for a lot less, and of course giving it free to some.

So yes no trash talk but I can correct you since I lived in Miami, they got Boricuas / Puerto ricans, Cubans, Dominicans, Whites, Blacks, and yes a shit load of Brazilians too LOL. Indeed you can even pay less than $200 for 30 min as I'm just being generous.

The only obvious issue you run into and why it's worth traveling is that this shit is illegal back home; and many of the Ads are cops trying to set you up to blast your face on tv oh we caught another sex trafficker LOL. When you call you cannot ask for rates / cost and talk about sex, and if you talk about sex you cannot talk about cost / rate. The two together is illegal, and that's the trick to know if it's a cop. Escorting is legal, hence you can pay for company, just cannot discuss that it's for sex and what two adults do in private is legal. That's how it's done in the Matrix, and why US still is the largest brothel in the World believe it or not. If she's saying oh for 200 you get sex / BJ blah blah it's 100% a set up. The real ads will say to not ask questions on services offered when you call, etc. Also will ask you if you're a cop, and legally no charges can be filled if a real cop lies. When you live in the US and want P4 P you must know these tricks unfortunately.

[Kazeu]

I find it hard to believe you are getting 200 usd cpf in miami, Florida. It may be possible but I doubt the quality of a 200 usd girl in miami is the same as a 1000 r brazilian in rio. I'm happy to be corrected on this.

Once in a while when I see a good comment I like to give kudos!

Also in mongering lately many no longer discuss CPF / Cost per Fuck. This shit really matters. I used to read on average 200/250 USD (incl flight / stay) as a commonly agreed amt in mult forums. But now mfrs especially here in rio you're seeing 1000/1500 r 200/250 USD in termas, plus adding flight, hotels / Airbnb you're easily at 500 USD cpf. For this amount you might as well stay home using legal bunny ranch brothels in Vegas and pay even less or a trip to Miami and find girls at 200 USd easily. Nothing to brag about oh I fucked x amt of girls in Brazil LOL. Mofo you spent $500 per fuck dumb ass.

[MaddTraveler]

What would be a good time to try 4 X 4 and Perola Negra? Never been to either. I tried to go to 4 X 4 one night and the uber dropped me off in what looked like a bunch of abandoned buildings in a really shady area and there was no sign of anyone, I was confused. Are the girls quality at the above two mentioned establishments?

The taxi must have dropped you off in the main Road Av Presidente, be sure to have Gmap open, small street looks lke a hallway called are. Buenos Aires on the left is the final turn. Not hard to find. I have a theory of not going to these places on Fri or Sat, since lots of want to be ballers w bottles and usually grab all the best girls 2 or 3 each for hours LOL. If I'm going to spend 400/500 r + drinks / room I must have an 8/9 at least and very picky. So I didn't session at 4 X4 which I tried last Mon., my theory failed that night but almost worked as there wasnt too many dudes but also only few girls, only 2 solid 8's which were grabbed quickly. Tried Perola Negra last Sat and best ones were all busy. I'm going to try early evenings like 5-8 pm Tues. To sat and I might get lucky. Paris Cafe's been great so far on Fri nights after 10 p luckily not too many gents and usually a nice selection.

[MaddTraveler]

CPF Cost Per Fuck should be as low as possible.

I agree completely!

Your cost per fuck should be as low as possible. You calibrate your CPF by centro prive or tijuca prive pussy.

https://gparena.net/tds-areas.php?a=2

Of course, spend 200 usd at Centaurus and 20 usd at a prive and you're already at 110 average. Funny thing is usually in a many reports mongers would say their best lay was the cheaper one LOL. Not always but I read that a lot. I'm also discovering all these low end clubs / prives myself that NO MFR ever report or write about. It is like shame or embarrassment maybe? Or is there a sense of making their balls bigger online aka flexing when reporting high end spots or expenses? I know you VagaB when you report your porn star excessive raw balls deep fucking it's just for fun, besides you lowball their asses at 400/500 per noite. That's how it's done. But talking about spending 1500 on a high mileage hefer and never mentioning the sweet cheap places that they go daily on the low secretly isn't cool man. The $10 pussies are what I want to tell my buds about, VM and everything cause that's what's rare.

[Axel Heyst]

CPF: Sure. Ever rational punter wants to minimize his CPF and maximize his pleasures, but there are a lot of variables that go into what is one's pleasures and these pleasures vary from individual to individual. So, what turns you on? A beautiful face? A big ass? 30 minutes wham bam? LT? Huge ta ta's? A large clean bed? BBFS? Or something else? I don't know and I don't much care what others like because I know what I like. But, interestingly I am well aware of a handful of similar minded punters on the various forums like the SP, BKK, CGK, Phnom, and Makati threads who over the years I have barhopped. It has always been entertaining and fun to compare notes and see how each of us feel about various girls, their personalities, the venues, and prices on the ground in actual situations.

This highlights the problems with CPF internet discussions because these discussions are usually conducted in the dark since most ISG'ers including myself will not post facial pics of our favorite girls on the internet for obvious reasons and without pics, CPF discussions can only make sense if you think girls are fungible like a bushel of soybeans. Unfortunately, I do not think so. But hey, if some of you guys think centro prive girls look as good as tier 1 or tier 2 Scandallo girls or even boutique SP Palms clinica girls then knock yourself out. Centro is bargain city for you! Just remember, that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so there is going to be a lot of disagreement on the quality variable. And beauty / looks is only one of the deciding variables that lead to my choice of a girl on any given afternoon or night. A girl's personality or lack thereof is another very important variable for example.

And I don't think I am alone in this. I will only add that a punter should know the particular venue a little and what is typically charged in that venue before he goes there. "Overpaying" or getting ripped off is paying more than others in a particular venue like paying more than the set price in a prive or terma. But it should be obvious to everyone that a shag in a quality terma like Solarium will cost you more than a shag in a centro clinica. I can't say anything more to guys who think the shag and the girls are the same in both venues and the only thing that matters is the BR and CPF. But rock on guys and have a good time wherever you decide to monger. I am not judging anybody, at least not before I see the pics. KKK.

[BallsDeep1980]

What would be a good time to try 4 X 4 and Perola Negra? Never been to either. I tried to go to 4 X 4 one night and the uber dropped me off in what looked like a bunch of abandoned buildings in a really shady area and there was no sign of anyone, I was confused. Are the girls quality at the above two mentioned establishments?

[Filho]

I completely agree. For these prices I can stay home in Europe and fuck ANY girl of my liking. Ironically even Brazilians. That being said, I do enjoy the other nice things in Rio, a trip is always more than fucking. So lets keep this natural sex reserve as intact as possible)).

Also in mongering lately many no longer discuss CPF / Cost per Fuck. This shit really matters. I used to read on average 200/250 USD (incl flight / stay) as a commonly agreed amt in mult forums. But now mfrs especially here in rio you're seeing 1000/1500 r 200/250 USD in termas, plus adding flight, hotels / Airbnb you're easily at 500 USD cpf. For this amount you might as well stay home using legal bunny ranch brothels in Vegas and pay even less or a trip to Miami and find girls at 200 USd easily.