Rio de Janeiro Reports

[MaddTraveler]

Dude, you couldn't be more wrong. There is no such thing as "Ask an undercover cop if they are a police officer, and they must tell the truth". That is complete bullshit! Police officers lie 24/7.

It's OK bud. Couple of you misunderstood.

I didn't write that on behalf of you the client being safe from that. The hooker will ask you when you call if you're a cop. Undercover cops don't have to answer and if they lied charges on that sex worker will be dropped on the basis of entrapment. Laws maybe diff in FL vs other states.

So all I wrote was if in her ad she says no cops should contact her, or she asks that herself, it's a sign that she herself is real. I wouldn't dare implying this is the same for all undercover work, strictly talking about how our hawkers get charges dropped back home.

Anyhow, I only brought that up in this price / cpf discussion to highlight that mongers don't truly travel out of the US due to high cost, but mainly for the stupid laws that will get you jailed.

Canada's even worse. Legal for the girls to sell sex, but illegal for the gents to buy it LOL. Yeah, exactly. Makes zero sense and a total trap LOL.

Cost is by far the least issue as to why most of us travel. When locals or Airbnb hosts are trying to sell me on their beaches, I reply that I've lived near many my whole life. Then in my head thinking. Where the fuck are the cheap brothels in your area? That's what I want to know.

Back to fucking in Rio for now.

[Balboa]

If you're going to be here for a period longer than a few weeks, and you should, then it is impertative to tie into non mongering groups like sports or education. The mongering life by itself is toxic, like pure alcohol, which will poison you if taken unadulterated.

I totally agree, for me anyway.

Other avenues to relax and clear the mind besides mongering, most especially when being somewhere for a lengthy period.

[Turgid]

...... Also will ask you if you're a cop, and legally no charges can be filled if a real cop lies. When you live in the US and want P4 P you must know these tricks unfortunately.

Fake hooker: "Hey, you wanna have a good time?"

Monger: "Are you an undercover cop?"

Fake hooker: "No darling, come let me relieve some of that stress you seem to be under".

Monger: "How much?"

Fake hooker "You're under arrest". Slaps on handcuff.

Love American Style.

[CCRider1008]

4 x4 is not a place to go too late. The girls work in shifts. If you are concerned about safety, go around 5 or 6 when there are still a lot of working people. I remember this is the time shift changes. The girls that start the shift may take another hour to prepare themselves before actually showing up in the club area.

So is it better to target end of shift girls at 4 pm versus beginning shift girls at 6 pm? Shiny said he went to Monte Carol at 4 pm and was the only one in the terma, and 8 girls stood around looking at him. WTF. I don't understand. I would think all 8 would immediately be on him to make money. What am I missing?

[MwenByen]

To be honest I live in Seattle and some Latino women charge $300 for full rushed service! . It's very rare that you'll find one that charges $150 for full service and if she does more than likely she's on drugs bad. Houston Tx used to be a $150 spot for Latino action now the price is $200's! I visit Mexico every month and the prices are literally gringo like hell $150-200! I am not a big fan of those rates!

I find it hard to believe you are getting 200 usd cpf in miami, Florida. It may be possible but I doubt the quality of a 200 usd girl in miami is the same as a 1000 r brazilian in rio. I'm happy to be corrected on this.

[BallsDeep1980]

In terms of CPF (Cost Per Fuck), the sweet spot has been centro prives and trash termas.

The CPF is 150 r or 30 r USD. Alot of the best prive girls are as good as the terma girls, but they just don't want to work at night.

We are now in and will be for the next 6 months, the best time IMHO.

Just last night / this morning, Vagabundo had a pornstar from sao paulo over pernoite. On the plus side, she is a porn star, and we fucked, and she actually cleaned, did like a awesome job cleaning, and I only payed her 300 r for overnight. One the downside, she only fucked once as opposed to the minimum 2 and as many as 5 times I fuck with my regulars. We watched Dom again and Cidade de deus and Tropa de elite so I could pacify her Brazilian ears with some portoguese. Anyway, she used to work at a SP Clinica, then got wifed up by one of the owners, and now she doesn't have that relationship, which was predictable.

On the downside too, is the fuck was too fast, bureaucratic, covered, and the experience has me thinking how bad a biz and life porn is. The prives are actually a source of hot new girls and much, much, much better sex.

Well, and on VM, I did go there last Sunday as a bunch of new in town ISGers were looking for a Sunday fuck, and I met up with an ISGer at VM. We did a quick circle on the you, and I found Monique, and we fucked covered and the cost was 115 r, which is a substantial rise from the usual 70 r or 80 r before. Maybe I got gringothe? Anyway VM really does suck. We did go up to the 'suite'which was bigger. She brought a sheet, but the room was filled with beer bottles and condoms. With prives you get a clean room. But it is what it is.

If you're going to be here for a period longer than a few weeks, and you should, then it is impertative to tie into non mongering groups like sports or education. The mongering life by itself is toxic, like pure alcohol, which will poison you if taken unadulterated.

Which termas and which prives? I have only been to centaurus, Solarium, and Marrakesh. I've also been to Eden Spa a few times and have met a few girls on seeking. I liked Centaraus the most, and the girls from seeking werent too bad. The cheapest was Eden Spa and the place is pretty much trash imo.

[Bravo]

Also will ask you if you're a cop, and legally no charges can be filled if a real cop lies. When you live in the US and want P4 P you must know these tricks unfortunately.

Dude, you couldn't be more wrong. There is no such thing as "Ask an undercover cop if they are a police officer, and they must tell the truth". That is complete bullshit! Police officers lie 24/7.

[Filho]

Because of shinycrazys recommendation I went to Eden Spa yesterday. I did not like any of the girls so they sent me down to the other place. Also there, not for my taste. Except for Ester, a big mulata with a nice ass. She looked a bit like Naomi Campbell with very light skin. Unfortunately she also had her attitude, so service was so so. Still I enjoyed it. She is already a bit on the hardened hooker side, but if you like these looks, it might be worth a try. I would rate her a 6, face maybe even 7.

[Filho]

A question to the experienced Rio guys here: what do you do on a Sunday, when all the Termas are closed, the Prives too and none of you numbers are working? What is you suggestion for a good day time / early evening session?

[Filho]

I agree what is written about 4 x4. 80% or even 90% of the girls there I would also not consider worth fucking. But I have never had a disappointing visit there. You just have to be patient. Eventually, a good girl will show up. I have not been often to Solarium. My opinion is, that they might have more good looking girls but they also have a bigger attitude. As I like to fuck perfectly shaped asses and do all kinds of dirty things with girls, this does not mix well. Monte Carlo is overpriced in my mind. The best experiences I must say I had in LÚomos But that is years ago sadly.

Best is to collect a solid amount of numbers from Mabs or other places, then you always can call them should you not be up for a terma. I have found real gems there. But also here: 80-90% is not what I find attractive. But I agree, it all comes down to taste.

[Vagabundo1]

In terms of CPF (Cost Per Fuck), the sweet spot has been centro prives and trash termas.

The CPF is 150 r or 30 r USD. Alot of the best prive girls are as good as the terma girls, but they just don't want to work at night.

We are now in and will be for the next 6 months, the best time IMHO.

Just last night / this morning, Vagabundo had a pornstar from sao paulo over pernoite. On the plus side, she is a porn star, and we fucked, and she actually cleaned, did like a awesome job cleaning, and I only payed her 300 r for overnight. One the downside, she only fucked once as opposed to the minimum 2 and as many as 5 times I fuck with my regulars. We watched Dom again and Cidade de deus and Tropa de elite so I could pacify her Brazilian ears with some portoguese. Anyway, she used to work at a SP Clinica, then got wifed up by one of the owners, and now she doesn't have that relationship, which was predictable.

On the downside too, is the fuck was too fast, bureaucratic, covered, and the experience has me thinking how bad a biz and life porn is. The prives are actually a source of hot new girls and much, much, much better sex.

Well, and on VM, I did go there last Sunday as a bunch of new in town ISGers were looking for a Sunday fuck, and I met up with an ISGer at VM. We did a quick circle on the you, and I found Monique, and we fucked covered and the cost was 115 r, which is a substantial rise from the usual 70 r or 80 r before. Maybe I got gringoéthe? Anyway VM really does suck. We did go up to the 'suite'which was bigger. She brought a sheet, but the room was filled with beer bottles and condoms. With prives you get a clean room. But it is what it is.

If you're going to be here for a period longer than a few weeks, and you should, then it is impertative to tie into non mongering groups like sports or education. The mongering life by itself is toxic, like pure alcohol, which will poison you if taken unadulterated.

[Nounce]

What would be a good time to try 4 X 4 and Perola Negra? Never been to either. I tried to go to 4 X 4 one night and the uber dropped me off in what looked like a bunch of abandoned buildings in a really shady area and there was no sign of anyone, I was confused. Are the girls quality at the above two mentioned establishments?

4 x4 is not a place to go too late. The girls work in shifts. If you are concerned about safety, go around 5 or 6 when there are still a lot of working people. I remember this is the time shift changes. The girls that start the shift may take another hour to prepare themselves before actually showing up in the club area.

[Mr Enternational]

Also will ask you if you're a cop, and legally no charges can be filled if a real cop lies. When you live in the US and want P4 P you must know these tricks unfortunately.

Where did you hear that from? That is not true at all. If that was the case then there would be no such thing as undercover police work, because all the criminals would have to do is ask everyone they associate with if they are a cop. They can lie all they want.

[Axel Heyst]

MT, that is an interesting post on punting in Miami. I live near Miami so I could easily explore this venue if I wanted to, but I prefer not. I extremely dislike the idea of playing cops and robbers and the girls in this price range, especially North American girls in this price range, do not interest me in the slightest. I prefer to save my money so I can afford to fuck the best looking girls wherever I choose to travel for the 10 to 12 weeks of free time I have per year.

Now back to the issue at hand:

If I'm going to spend 400/500 r + drinks / room I must have an 8/9 at least and very picky. So I didn't session at 4 X4 which I tried last Mon., my theory failed that night but almost worked as there wasnt too many dudes but also only few girls, only 2 solid 8's which were grabbed quickly. Tried Perola Negra last Sat and best ones were all busy. I'm going to try early evenings like 5-8 pm Tues.

I have been to 4 x4 many times and I enjoy the ambiance and the what not, but dude, I have never seen an 8 in 4 x4 or for that matter I have only seen a very small number of near 7's there which makes my point in a previous post that " CPF internet discussions <snip are usually conducted in the dark since most ISG'ers including myself will not post facial pics of our favorite girls on the internet for obvious reasons and without pics, CPF discussions can only make sense if you think girls are fungible like a bushel of soybeans. " Your 8 may be my 5. 5. My 7. 5 may be your "not worth my time or money. " It comes down to a matter of personal taste and personal wallet constraints.

In regard to timing: the best time to go varies terma to terma. So punters need to test the waters and find out for themselves when the best time for them is to go.

I have never been to to 4 x4 earlier than 8 pm. I prefer going around 10 or a little later because by 10 pm the party party is going strong and that is why I like to go there. I enjoy the 4 x4 circus circus ambiance with naked girls writhing around on the alcohol stained floor and sexually engaging with some of the customers. It is fairly wild. I always manage to find a fuckable girl there although it ain't always easy to spot one because there are not that many that I want, but then I have lowered my sights before I even enter the place and I do not looking to find beauty here, so it is not a problem.

Solarium is a different story. I usually find a few very attractive girls (my opinion) in the 6 to 7 range in this bordello although I have never seen an 8 here. So, I prefer going to Solarium between 5:30 and 6:30 because when I go there, I don't like to wait for a girl I want (there are not many of them) and I prefer them fresh. The ambiance at Solarium is friendly and upscale, KKK, for a RJ terma, but the reason I go to Solarium is to shag pretty girls not party party.

Perola Negra is IMHO a late night terma. I have been there as early as 9 pm and it was fucking DEAD. I know some guys really like this joint, but I don't quite get it although I have met a few pretty nice girls there, but this place joint is just not one of my favorites. Again, I am just illustrating my point: different strokes for different folks.

[Nebulousity]

No such thing as a 1000 r Brazilian, chomps pay that then she'll go to another club and charge 100 r or freelancing online for a lot less, and of course giving it free to some.

Flight cost is of course part of the cost but there is value to enjoying travel in and of itself, especially if you enjoy the environment, music, culture, and mindset of your destination. There is also the value of convenience, comfort, and being in a place where what you want is readily accessible. It's still important to be informed what is the norm at each location, from high end to low end. But when factoring in all the layers of value, cost is a more complex calculation.