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04-15-22 20:34 #26487
Posts: 2933Originally Posted by Vagabundo1 [View Original Post]
Just to clarify, my original post is not against buying properties in Brazil or against investing in anything. I am talking about being able to covert it to cash and be able to move it internationally quickly. My perspective is based on my personal past experience. I have been benefitted by property purchase so to me it is a positive. Although it does not always go up but when it goes down, it never goes below the previous high even in 2008. That is enough for me until that experience changes.
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04-15-22 19:33 #26486
Posts: 539Well said WonderWhy
Indeed, you only live once. Epicurus said it far better than I can: Non fui, fui, non-sum, non-curo ("I was not; I was; I am not; I do not care" The best trade is snatches of joy that come and go. It is a fool that thinks they can one day live in a perpetual paradise (cue grey haired couples on a beach for a retirement village ad or Hawaiin time share scam) or be the richest man in the cemetery. Youth is wasted on the young. And it can all end tomorrow with cancer, stroke, heart attack, car crash, etc, and it absolutely will come for each and everyone of you reading this. We are doomed but live in hope.
We chase beautiful women, alive with youth and have the rare gift of freedom to bang them. There are many other things to have fun with. Investing in optimal mental and physical health, experiences and memories is what life is all about whilst we are here. Done the right way, we are living the dream, whilst it lasts.
Pretty funny, monger-philosopher, but all of us here are ultimately chasing fun and human connection.
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04-15-22 19:15 #26485
Posts: 539Markets
Cash is trash these days. Commodities and real companies, such as productive gold / copper mines, manufacturing specialties like semiconductors and agriculture is where it is at. There are a few plays in retail real estate, but that is a a proxy for the bond market and retail speculation joint venture. Collapses of 1991,2002, 2008-2010 all come to mind. Detroit and Gary, Indiana were once sexy times. Catching the wave has risks if you are playing the greater fool game. The most successful are a few slumlord funds buying up tract "housing" in really depressed cities and then screwing the inhabitants with a plethora of fees etc to drive up the CAPEX. Payday loans with an effective rate of 600% are another, quietly supported by the major banks. That and private prisons are something I'm not going to play in.
There are opportunities with limited supply "trophy" houses where there are simultaneous currency dislocations, Brazil being one and Turkey another. To play this game, you have to price out the herd, usually pay cash, preferably a distressed sale (rare) and be patient. This is not "flipper" bullshit that describes the bank sponsored, capital gains tax free real estate casino in the USA. As to the latter, taxation (by deliberate legislative design) is mostly only for W2 earners and indirect taxes. US citizens and stuff like FACTA makes nomadic life hard, but also able to be worked around by an entire cottage industry of lawyers and accountants.
Vagabundos new fund sounds exciting. Presumably the local girls can rub sunscreen on our balls and BJ's on the beach at sunset, fresh caipirinha in hand and admire the blue rollers and sea breeze. A good way to "blow" your capital. By the way, when V refers to GTFO, where to exactly ? I'd hardly describe the USA as a safe haven, confiscation in that place is quite real such as state sponsored extortion racket known as contingency lawyers (often on billboards), divorce, IRS, etc etc.
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04-15-22 18:39 #26484
Posts: 8Monique
Originally Posted by Vagabundo1 [View Original Post]
Any chance you share Monique's contact info? Sounds exactly what I'm looking for. I'll be in Rio only for 2 nights (business trip) and don't want to waste my time looking for the right girl.
Hit me up by PM if you like.
Thanks,
Dw.
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04-15-22 13:51 #26483
Posts: 146What a beautiful Description of After the Visit
Wow that is exactly how I feel after my visits to Sao Paulo. I took the risk, went by myself to a place everyone told me was too dangerous, made love with beautiful women and now I am in USA working for several more years. Butt I have the memories.
"we go back in space because we can't go back in time".
We go back in physical space. It's why we go to the old homes we used to live in, high schools, colleges or that old bedroom we spent our youths in. We can't go back to those days but we can go back to those spots and get just that closer to those times.
So as I stood in Copacabana beach on a Monday night with the sand between my toes and the waves crashing all around me, I remember that Friday night I spent with a wild redhead branca I just met a week ago at that exact same spot. We had just come back from lapa and were in high spirits. She fell from her lime scooter and got a nasty cut and bruise on her shoulder and she could care less. We were dancing to the samba music playing from one of the stands nearby and were laughing on how badly spoke in each other's native language. We were just two people that forgot the pitfalls of life for a brief moment and basked in it. In that moment disconnected from this timeline we're forever dancing and laughing the night away because the sun never comes up.
But in this one there are no happy ever afters, there is only the morning after. When we have to go back home, back to work and back to reality.
Life's a * and then you die. People always think it's a negative line but it's just a fact. No matter what you do or who you are, you'll always fall victim to the pitfalls of life. You'll get sick and injured. You'll try to attempt something and fail. You will slowly look around you and see all the people you love get older and older until they don't.
But in between those falls we can fill our lives with the pursuit of happiness. Take risks and chase that rush. And that's what I did. It may not have gone exactly as planned but there's a story to tell now and no story started with "well I did the math, calculated the odds and decided to not take risks."
There was some loss of monetary value but in it's stead a time was captured that I can keep forever after everything else goes away.
Maybe I'm wrong tho.
Because we all know money is finite and our time is infinite after all.
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04-15-22 12:45 #26482
Posts: 2246Currency is a claim on a country's assets, all of them, stocks, bonds, property, tanks, ships, guns, hooker's asses, and land.
BRL has been moving due to.
1. end of covid.
2. war making Brazil a source of commodities cut off by war.
Experienced real estate guys in Copa say their Italian friends are buying the shit out of copa property.
So that is in favor of buying property.
But again, my view is that unless you live in it full time and have top flight local lawyers on call, and you are prepared to lose the capital, you should rent, not buy. My smartest ISGer friends like fukafmedig said the same thing. Rent even if on a 30 month lease, and if you need to GTFO, break the lease and GTFO.
Originally Posted by Nounce [View Original Post]
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04-15-22 03:10 #26481
Posts: 2933Originally Posted by WyattEarp [View Original Post]
My experience is that it is easy to invest and move money in US. You can still invest in Brazil if you are in US. I am not sure the reverse is true. Does Brazil financial market has more offerings than US? US citizens pay tax on worldwide income so it does not matter where you park you money for tax purpose.
I did not want to complicate the matter so I did not mention property appreciation. Axel Heyst has mentioned the appreciation of his property. I personally haven't heard about appreciation close to his in South America. Some see appreciation but the appreciation is offset by currency depreciation so there is no gain. Right now, I know the properties in my US home area are sold within a week after listing and over list price by a huge amount. The broker will buy your house if not sold. That is the liquidity I am talking about.
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04-14-22 23:26 #26480
Posts: 1119Milf GFE
Originally Posted by RioBob [View Original Post]
Certainly not difficult to see why, you had a hard time with this "catch-and-release", especially if there was a good connection. Pretty good for an "older guy".
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04-14-22 21:18 #26479
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by Nounce [View Original Post]
Of course, currency matters in investment holdings besides cash. I believe PahllusMaximus has recently said his property in the Joa neighborhood has appreciated in both local terms (Reals) and in currency terms (Dollars).
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04-14-22 20:35 #26478
Posts: 2246Vagabundo Barra Realty, Ave de Pepe 400, Realtor Assistants Wanted
Bombeiro Vagabundo, Swiss Navy Retired, now a licensed Realtor in Barra the Tijuca, is like the Realtor in Local Hero, taking applications from all freckle faced Irish ladies with a bad case of sunburn on their balls! My hedge fund, Vagabundo Capital, LLC, owns a illiquid stake in certain Brazilian bars designed to develop Honeypot assets for the highest bidder, which we develop from the base of Barra Posto 1, and extend to Metro Sao Cristavao, where Callsign Jimmy Boy brings in the best SP hookers from Moema prives to be sold, ass up, face down, for Sheiks!
Originally Posted by PahllusMaximus [View Original Post]
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04-14-22 19:45 #26477
Posts: 2933Originally Posted by PahllusMaximus [View Original Post]
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04-14-22 18:49 #26476
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by PahllusMaximus [View Original Post]
The Western industrialized nations have to get off their energy idealism and accept that more nuclear power is necessary if you want to reduce carbon emissions and have a healthy economy. China is building many nuclear plants. Just be smart about emergency safety systems. Don't build a nuclear power plant near a fault line or a tidal wave zone.
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04-14-22 18:17 #26475
Posts: 539Picture is worth a thousand words
Since September last year on my 3 week visit: look at FLBR, LND, Petrobas and the FOREX. The charts tell the story. It seemed mad that Real was over 5.5:1 USD and an hour of casual, retail, mind blowing sex could be reliably had for under $40 late last year and a Caipirinha on the beach for $USD 2. Vagabundo pointed me to Jardim Oceanico station and how this connected distant parts of Rio to Centro and SDU etc that connects airports, business and women to lifestyle. One sunset, walking on the Copa beach at the waterline, my cheap Sandisk MP3 player streaming out depeche mode, I thought "I only live once, this is stupidly cheap, pretty groovy, travel will go back to normal soon".
I did tell ya! Toshiba is currently good buying (France and UK on nuclear splurge and (soon) Germany too) and an Aladdin cave in high quality Russian stuff and commodities. Wheat and Potash for next year. It's the USD that worries me. Fat tail land (the currency, not the American women). Mongers should do good (distributing $ to beautiful women and their natural renewable resources) by doing well. I offer tonsil massage daily.
As to BR taxes: hire large firms that specialize in it and the usual string of company shells. It's very easy, you just pay for it, a bit like picking a girl at a terma. They can also sort a chop in your passport with no lines or bullshit.
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04-14-22 10:44 #26474
Posts: 28Irish Naturist Association
Yes, if you plan to visit Ireland, do check their events and attend.
Originally Posted by WyattEarp [View Original Post]
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04-14-22 06:59 #26473
Posts: 2246So you bought a house in joa but you don't live full time in Rio?
The average Brazilian company spends 2 months a year just calculating -- calculating, not paying -- their taxes.
Originally Posted by PahllusMaximus [View Original Post]