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07-07-21 21:42 #24313
Posts: 614Originally Posted by Onyx82 [View Original Post]
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07-07-21 21:29 #24312
Posts: 1968You're right
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07-07-21 19:55 #24311
Posts: 21Originally Posted by JimmyBoy99 [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
Wow so bad connections in Brazil then xD.
2. Yeah that's what I thought.
About Paraguay it's just that I want to be able to tick off another country in my to visit list (and when I'm so close and most likely never will go there in another trip so then I'll just visit a quicky.
If I've not seen wrong so is Paraguay half of the city and the other part is in Brazil?
So you would recommend booking Foz threw Airbnd?
Thanks for all the tips and so on.
Will most likely spend 5 days in total with trips back and forth to Foz and Rio.
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07-07-21 18:54 #24310
Posts: 1337Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
https://www.worldnomads.com/travel-s...a/travel-alert
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07-07-21 18:37 #24309
Posts: 1968Foz
Originally Posted by Onyx82 [View Original Post]
2. Yes, stay in Foz.
The Brazil side won't take much of your time, although it has some of the most wonderful sights, so don't skip it. But you'll need at least one day for the Argentinian side, and I would take 2 or at least 1. 5 days there because I hate rushing wonderful things. Visiting Paraguay as well as other tourist activities are tacky and a waste of time, IMHO, but you might want a day to relax by the pool or to actually monger. 3 full days should be perfect, 4 if you want some time to relax.
We stayed in a fantastic 3 bdrm Airbnb with a private pool under $100 a night. Accommodations are cheap in Iguassu.
So three days for sightseeings.
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07-07-21 17:07 #24308
Posts: 72An All-Inclusive Guide to Rio for the Newbie Monger
Gentlemen, as my trip comes to an end, I want to give back to the forum in the form of a newbie's guide to Rio. Keep in mind that this guide was made for the newbie, not the experienced monger spending a long time on ground. As such, my recommendations reflect 1.) my own bias and 2.) my own perception of how to maximize one's time and experience without necessarily a big focus on saving some money. That being said. Here it is:
Flights.
International. This is really subject to where you live and when you book. If you fly direct to Rio, chances are you will end up at GIG. This is the international airport that is located about 45 minutes from Zona Sul (where Copacabana and Ipanema are). When I arrived going through customs was a smooth and easy process, though I was randomly selected for extra screening which only added a few more minutes due to some issues with the guy in front of me. Once you go through customs you'll arrive at the ground floor where there are taxis and hagglers all around. Ignore them. Head over to the ATMs directly in front of the elevators that will take you to the second floor and get cash, if you so desire. Like with all ATMs, there is a fee associated with it but it is marginal (in the realm of a couple dollars). Some people don't believe in getting money here and prefer to pinch pennies by finding other locations for exchange, but this guide is about convenience and quality, rather than using limited time on getting a few more dollars. There's no right or wrong answer as it is your money and your time.
Head on up two levels to floor 2 (you started on floor 0) and stand inside the airport while you call your Uber. Uber picks up on floor 2 and it is very easy to from the door to their car without hassles. I recommend using UberVIP because it ensures you get a top rated driver who has a lot of trips. It does not cost any more than UberX, but is an added benefit with certain credit cards. You'll have to do your own research to see if your card provides this perk. The ride from GIG to Copa and Ipanema is about 45 minutes if there is no traffic. Ask your driver, if he speaks English, to explain the neighborhoods you drive by on the way south. There is a tunnel that separates the north from the south here and there are some very relevant socioeconomic distinctions.
Domestic. If you connect through Sao Paulo you're going to go through customs there so I am not familiar with that process. But once you arrive at the domestic airport of Rio (SDU) you'll find it to be clean and comfortable. Security here for my flight to Sao Paulo was quick and efficient as well, though I did travel on a Sunday when things are slow. There is a luxury lounge that you can use if you have Priority Pass and it has basic snacks, drinks (wine and beer included), and wifi. It is a very small lounge and was crowded when I arrived. I did not get a chance to look for ATMs but I am sure they are around. This airport is only 20-25 minutes from the beaches when there is no traffic.
Lodging.
Hotels. I stayed at 2 hotels during my 3 weeks in Rio. The first was the hotel Astoria Palace. It is a decent enough place that is conveniently located close to Monte Carlo, Dolce Vide, and Mabs. There are also several restaurants close by and a few bank ATMs. Some prives like Eden Spa and Alternative Spa are within a 10 minute walk as well. Astoria Palace has a decent breakfast, OK wifi, good service from the staff, a rooftop bar, and is guest friendly. For the picky traveler they may not be a fan of the spotty wifi or the loud construction noises I experienced when I was there, but it is an OK hotel that is worth staying in for the convenience of location.
There is also the Windsor California Hotel close by that I stayed in and found to be excellent. The breakfast is truly top notch (huge selection of food). The rooftop restaurant and bar are great and provide a quality view of the beach. The wifi is super fast and the service of the staff was borderline 5 star, even though it is a 4 star hotel. I am not sure if it is guest friendly, but it is in a very convenient location and is of similar distance to the venues listed above. It is a little farther from Dolce Vide and Mabs than Astoria Palace is, but I found it to be a much better hotel overall. I don't like to bring back guests so this is my preferred location from now on. Expect $40-80/ night for a quality 4-star hotel, depending on the type of room you want.
AirBnb. Some people like to have their own place where they can cook, do laundry, etc. I did not use any AirBnbs here but can say that many are guest friendly. Reach out to the host before booking and ask if they allow you to bring in female guests. Some will say no but if you do your due diligence, you'll find many that will. Avoid the places further removed from the beach, as the back streets of Copacabana can be quite dangerous, especially at night. Staying anywhere along Copacabana, Ipanema, and Leblon is great. The former is the most convenient for the hobby while the latter is the most luxurious.
Other. The experienced monger may desire to stay off the beaten path, perhaps in downtown, Botafogo, or Barra. For the newbie monger looking for convenience, I'd caution against this. Staying along the Zona Sul beaches (Copa, Ipanema, Leblon) provide convenience and comfort that will decrease the stress of the trip. Downtown (centro) is closest to a lot of the discount termas and prives, but it is just a business center overall and walking around at night alone is not safe. Botafogo is a residential neighborhood in the middle between downtown and zona sul, but there is nothing interesting there that may appeal to the average tourist. Barra is a beautiful, wealthy, beach area but it is a 30 minute uber from most venues. If you need a break for a few days, Barra is a good place to go.
Miscellaneous Logistics.
Getting Around. Experienced mongers recommend public transport. I do not. I recommend all newbie travelers use Uber. It will cost you less than $5 to go from SDU airport downtown to the heart of Copacabana. It will cost you $2-3 to go from Copacabana to Solarium. For the combination of safety, efficiency, cost, and convenience, Uber cannot be beat. Learning the public transportation system can be useful for times of high traffic (the metro is pretty good here) but overall Uber is the best for getting around easily and safely. Do not ride the metro at night if you don't know what you are doing and / or don't think you can blend in. Lime scooters are everywhere so you can also take those up and down the beach at your leisure. These are perfect to go places that are too close to Uber but too far to walk.
Don't wear jewelry, especially when walking around at night. Take off the watch, rings, gold chain, etc. You aren't here to flex on anyone. If you're here to monger, then impressing some pro with your expensive watch is quite literally a waste of your time and only serves to inflate your ego. If you get held up, I personally would just give them what is on hand. In my experience, muggers want your money, not your life. If police stop you for whatever reason, immediately start communicating in English. If they start giving you a hard time and you have done nothing illegal, ask to call the embassy. I always keep a photocopy of my passport on hand. The local police can be quite corrupt and often just want a bribe, but they do not want trouble with the embassy. This is often talked about on the board and the general consensus is to have the golden ticket (passport info) ready to go. If, however, you are stopped by the federal police, you are in the hands of legitimate authorities as they are the real deal. If you get pulled over by them for whatever reason, you've probably done something wrong.
Laundry. If you have an AirBnb with laundry facilities, ignore this part. If you don't then fret not, there are many options here. Simply open up google maps on your phone and type in "laundry" and many places will pop up. You can either pay to have laundry done for you or you can do it yourself at these places. I elected to have my laundry done for me and it cost a total of $15 for a lot of clothes, essentially an entire suitcase worth. I also asked for expedited service and got it all back in 2 hours. You can do it yourself for about $5-10 I think. I do not recommend using hotel laundry service because it is shockingly expensive. At the Windsor California it would have cost me literally $100 for all of my clothes to be washed. Despite my love of convenience, that just isn't worth it.
ATM. This is often a big point of contention among board members. You can spend your time haggling for the best possible exchange rate, doing hours of research to save a few bucks, or you can head over to the nearest bank ATM to your hotel and withdraw your cash and be on your way. Ensure you use the bank ATMs as those are the safest and have cameras everywhere. Bradesco seems to be the most popular choice and there is one within walking distance to both Windsor California and Hotel Astoria Palace. I never had any issues and enjoyed the 5:1 exchange rate. It makes no difference in my life if I get 5. 10:1 or 5:1, so choose what works best for you. I'd avoid using ATMs that are just hanging out on the street as they are more subject to card swiping. But in the days of the chip as opposed to the magnetic strip, safety against fraud has improved significantly.
Food. I honestly debated including this section because there is so much one could write. Food everywhere is good. The farther you go from the beach, the cheaper it is. I recommend an Italian restaurant near Astoria Palace called La Trattoria. Simply open your phone to google maps and type in "Restaurants" to find numerous highly rated options. Google Reviews is your friend.
Groceries and Droguerias. Plenty of shopping all around. There is a popular food store chain called Zona Sul that is everywhere. If you are staying in an Airbnb with a kitchen just walk 5-10 minutes in every any direction and you'll find a grocery store. There is a difference between droguerias and farmacias here in Brazil, but most droguerias have farmacias in them. You can get your vitamin see or vitamin V in these farmacias. In droguerias you can find stuff that you would in any CVS or Walgreens in the US for your daily needs (shaving, headache medication, stomach ache medication, soap, etc.).
Tours. Take one, you're in Rio. It would be a shame to come so far and not see one of the most beautiful cities in the world. Yes, they can be pricy, but I think they're worth it.
Phone. Most US cell phone companies offer some sort of international travel plan in the form of a daily travel pass or an actual plan. If you're only on ground a week, I'd recommend the $10/ day travel pass. It isn't worth the hassle of trying to deal with the whole CPF thing and figuring out how many minutes / how much data you need. You can get a phone plan without a CPF but it is quite annoying to figure out how and where to go. It can eat up a lot of time and energy. Bite the bullet and pay the $10/ day for the convenience of not having to worry about getting a quality cell plan when on ground. If you're staying for more than 2 weeks, then sure, go ahead and get yourself a Brazilian cell phone plan. Lots of experienced mongers of this board will disagree with me, but I'm not going to argue over $70 for a 1 week vacation.
Haircut: Mr. Haircut in Copacabana. $10 for a really fresh cut. They'll serve you beer, water, or coffee while you get your haircut as well.
Language: Learn some Portuguese before you go. Most people don't speak any English whatsoever.
Race.
I will include this part as an oversimplified explanation of racial demographics in Brazil so that you understand where you are going. Many on the board ask about race or what the situation is on ground for people of different races. I hope this clarifies more questions than it raises.
Brancas are white women, or at least women who perceive themselves as white. Some women claim to be brancas but in the US and Europe they would actually be considered of Latina or Hispanic origin. Morena can either refer to a skin type (brown) or hair color. Morenas tend to be mixed with white and indigenous, if I am not mistaken. Mulattas are black and white mix. Negra means dark skinned, typically of African descent. You will find many shades in between and may be confused by how someone classifies themselves. I steer clear of these types of conversations with Brazilians and instead find something else to talk about. As a black man myself, I never experienced any sort of racism while in Brazil. No women refused to see me, none turned their gaze away, etc. I'm not sure if it would be different if I was actually Brazilian or if I went farther south, but I can confidently say that I did not experience any sort of discrimination or bias in Rio.
Termas Tier 1.
Keep in mind this guide was written for the newbie monger who prefers quality and convenience, as I have said many times before. Furthermore, I myself enjoy brancas so my recommendations reflect where one can find the most, and highest quality, of these types of pros. Rio is such a diverse city that you can and will find something that suits your fancy, if you know where to look. I'm not going to delve any further into the depths of the racial disparities of Brazil, but finding the highest volume of brancas requires going to tier 1 termas and the sort. If you prefer darker skinned women, you're most likely to find what you want in the darkside termas. It must be noted that you can find both types in both places. RTFF for more info on darkside termas if that is where you prefer to go.
Solarium. This place is not within walking distance of any of the Copa, Ipanema, or Leblon hotels. You'll have to Uber here, though it is located in a decent neighborhood. You'll walk in, get a key, and change into a robe before going upstairs. Once upstairs, you'll notice that the venue is quite small. The girls sit on one side while the men sit on the other, almost like an awkward middle school dance. Another thing that throws some people off is how brightly lit the place is compared to other termas. Fret not, the talent here is generally very good. You'll find the girls to be in the 7+ range, at least in my experience. This is worth the trip.
Centaurus. This place is controversial among board members and I understand why. It is expensive and the talent may only be marginally better than the rest, say 7+ on average (like Solarium), but the facilities are quite nice. You walk in and pay the entry fee in advance. There has been talk that you must pay for the girl at the same time you pay the entry fee, even if you don't know if you are going to session. This was not my experience. I only paid the entry fee upon entering and paid for the girl right before the session. Once you get your key you'll be able to change and check out the facilities. There is a nice shower area that has a wide range of things you might want to use on site. There's also massages available and I believe a sauna / steam room. Upstairs is a bar area that is a little small but that is where the girls hang out. There is also a stage. The girls here are more laid back and less aggressive. They may present themselves to you when you walk in, but you generally get less of a haggle here because the focus is more on customer service. This place is sort of famous because Justin Bieber visited a few years ago. It seems like the management is riding that wave in trying to present the image that it is way above the rest, though I'd say it is only marginally so due to the slightly above average girls and way above average facilities. Centaurus is located in between Ipa and Copa, so you can scooter or take a quick Uber here if you're staying in either of those places.
Monte Carlo. This place is within walking distance of the hotels mentioned in the earlier sections of this guide. You don't pay the entry fee up front and instead get your key to change into your robe. On the second floor are shower facilities and there is also a massage room and sauna room for use if you want. I'd say it is second in terms of facilities (Centaurus is better). The girls are a mix of high quality and not high quality. There were times I went when I was wholly unimpressed and also times when the quality was out of this world. In any case, I'd say the average is around 6. 5. For the convenience, I'd say this place is worth it and definitely worth checking out daily if you have the time. Some experienced mongers don't like this place as well because it is also expensive like Centaurus. But, expensive is in the eye of the beholder. You can get a few beers and a 40 minute session in a standard cabin for just over 500 are. That is fine by me.
4 x4. Experienced mongers love this place and I understand why. There is a broad range of quality here and something for everyone. Like brancas with big butts? They're here. Morena spinners? Here. Dark skinned athletic looking women? Also here. For the quality, the price range is phenomenal as well. You can get a girl for a 30 or 40 minute session in a standard cabin and have several beers for a little over R400. This makes it only marginally cheaper than Monte Carlo, which is worth noting I think. Key word here is marginally. 4 x4 is located in Centro, so it'll be about a 20 minute ride from Copa. Don't walk around alone in this area at night. You'll see guys hanging out in the entrance waiting for their Ubers to arrive, for good reason. This place is closed on weekends and I'd say the best time to come is between Tuesday and Thursday. There's a bar on the bottom floor below the boate that is a nice place to get away from the noise. There's also a smoke room on the 3rd floor that has a bar in it as well.
Whiskeria 65. I hesitated to add this place to the list because I actually didn't session here. I found the quality to be hit or miss every time. Sometimes I'd see something I liked, other times there was not one girl I would be interested in. There was one stellar looking blonde I intended to session with but she was always talking with someone else. This is a popular place among locals. Check it out on your way to or from 4 x4, just for the sake of it. Walk in and grab a beer. Walk out and pay your R70. Not much to lose here.
General advice: When you get to a new termas, wait 30-45 minutes before deciding whether to stay or leave. The best girls are usually taken so you have to wait and then be quick when they come out.
Online Escorts.
For the newbie monger (or even experienced monger) in a new city, I recommend steering clear of the photoaccompantes website. Instead, BarraVIP and Private55 are the go-to, generally reliable source. I had nothing but positive experiences with escorts from these sites. You can either go to them or they can come to you. If you go to them, expect R500 for 1 hour. I wouldn't pay more than that. These escorts tend to be higher end in terms of looks. Communicate with these girls on whatsapp (they call it "zap") and you can google their number to see if any reviews pop up, for better or worse.
Prives.
These are hit or miss depending on which ones you go to. There aren't really many options for higher end prives in Rio, though many swear by Onix and Eden Spa. These are highly rated on local review boards which honestly makes me not want to visit them. I had good experiences at Alternative Spa in Copacabana. It is expensive (about R450 for the massage and then you negotiate separately with the girl, about R250 or so), but I found it to be worth it as the massage itself was fantastic. RJ Massagem is generally pretty good as well, but can be hit or miss. Using the Rio map, I'd give some of these a try, but be cautious as they may not be as high end as one would expect.
Mabs and Dolce Vide
These deserve a category of their own. They are bars located in Copacabana near Leme. These bars have working girls sitting outside from opening to close. Best time to get here is around 11 or 12 at night. The talent here varies and I've heard many mixed reviews. I'm personally not a fan as I find the talent to be on the lower end, the girls more aggressive, and the prices too high for what you get. As these are located in Copa at are most popular at night, use your discretion when walking around. I've heard of guys having good experiences with girls from here and I've heard of guys getting robbed by girls. Not my scene to be honest so I won't delve too deep here.
Recommended 7 Day Travel Schedule.
Day 0 (Sunday): Arrive at GIG, go through customs, take an Uber to your hotel or Airbnb in Copacabana, Ipanema, or Leblon. If there is your first trip ever, I'd stick with Copacabana. Check in and start walking around the beach to just explore. Stop at the store and get the groceries and misc. Stuff you'll need for the week. Grab a drink and just take in the sights. Have dinner at any of the restaurants along the beach and just enjoy your first day on ground. Sundays are not good for the hobby as the termas worth going to are all closed. If you're really craving to get the ball rolling, hop on to BarraVIP or Private55 and message several of the girls until you can make an appointment with one.
Day 1 (Monday): Also a bad day for the hobby in Brazil, though things are open. Use this time to take a tour of the city and see some beautiful sights. In the late afternoon or early evening, contact a prive like Alternative Spa to see what their line-ups are. If someone suits your fancy, make an appointment and either walk, scooter, or Uber there. If none interest you, walk, scooter, or Uber on over to Monte Carlo. If nothing interests you there, check out Centaurus if you're willing to pay, but otherwise go back to the hotel and call up another BarraVIP to visit or to come to you.
Day 2 (Tuesday): Now, you are in the full swing of things. Start of the day by visting a prive, or a few. There are many around as shown on the WT map. Get this done in the morning (though selection is scarce usually before 2 pm) and then take a break for a few hours. Late afternoon head on over to Solarium. Stick around for a while, have a drink, have dinner, relax. Maybe get a couple sessions in. If no one here suits your fancy, take an uber to Centaurus or Monte Carlo where you can do the same thing. Tuesday-Thursday here is when you'll find the broadest scope of quality and quantity. Depending on your tastes, you'll prefer one place over another.
Day 3 (Wednesday): Do the same thing as Tuesday, except maybe give 4 x4 and Whiskeria 65 a whirl. From what I've been told and have seen myself, Wednesday and Thursdays are the best days for these venues.
Day 4 (Thursday): No change, except by this point you will likely have been to all the prives and termas worth going to for your own particular tastes. If you find yourself craving adventure or simply have different tastes, seek out a guide for a tier 2 termas or to take you to VM. Be prepared for a different scene. If you don't want to experience this tier 2 scene, then stick with the usual program of what you have enjoyed the most. Keep in mind, the quality at each termas and prive usually changes each day, so you may get lucky on your first go around or you may have to check out a few.
Day 5 (Friday): Friday is generally not as good as Tuesday-Thursday. This is because all the locals have less of an excuse to "grab a drink" after work with their co-workers and instead must head home to their families, at least so I've been told. Stick with whatever suits your fancy at recognize that your time in Brazil is quickly coming to an end.
Day 6 (Saturday): Last full day. No change in what you should be doing! The talent on Saturdays at various venues is generally not as good as during the week, so you may find the selection to be more limited.
Day 7 (Sunday): If you are flying back to the US, most flights leave at night while check out is usually around noon. If you are really trying to maximize your time, pre-arrange for an online escort to visit in the morning before you check-out. All termas are closed during the day so you'll be left to figure out something else to do for several hours before going to the airport. Perhaps walk the beach or visit another online escort at her location. Many of them have showers and whatnot that you can use as well to get cleaned up afterwards. Take a taxi back to the airport get there early because for some reason the Brazilians care a lot about being there a long time before your actual departure, especially for international trips.
Cost of 7 day trip (in USD):
Flight: $500-$1500 (depending on when you book and where you're coming from).
Hotel: $280-560 (depending on room preference).
Uber: $55.
Food / drinks: $450 if you want to eat and drink like a king, $150 if you want to cook on your own.
Laundry: $15 (if you're only here a week you may not even need to do this).
Hobbying: $700-$2000 (you can get by on 100 USD / day or less here and find some decent talent, but if you're trying to have 2 sessions a day with top shelf quality, it'll cost you a bit more).
Misc: $300.
Total for a 7 day trip: somewhere between $2000 on the low end and $5000 on the high end. A reasonable monger looking for quality and convenience can expect to pay around $3000 or so for the week. Yes, you can spend more or less depending on a variety of factors but $3000 is a fair budget to assume, including airfare.
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07-07-21 16:12 #24307
Posts: 21Originally Posted by Yossarian [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
2. Ah okay, is it in Foz de Iguacu then?
And do you have any experience visiting Paraguay / Argentina at the same time? (Thinking why not take 3 countries in SA when I'm so close to them).
3. Ah nice, so tired of European pricing of the cinemas (Here in Sweden its ridiculous expensive).
4/5. Nice.
Thanks for all the tips and advice for a SA newbie. With my adhd I like to know as much as possible before I go somewhere and have as much facts / inside tips as possible.
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07-07-21 15:38 #24306
Posts: 65Originally Posted by ExecTalent [View Original Post]
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07-07-21 15:35 #24305
Posts: 65Originally Posted by Onyx82 [View Original Post]
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07-07-21 15:33 #24304
Posts: 65Originally Posted by ZebraStripes81 [View Original Post]
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07-07-21 05:13 #24303
Posts: 1968Originally Posted by Onyx82 [View Original Post]
2. Well, if you fall in love, you might. I wouldn't since Iguassu has its own P2 P scene.
3. You won't find any shortages of movies or malls in Rio.
4. LT, ST or anything in between. You're the boss.
5. No, it's not harder.
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07-06-21 23:51 #24302
Posts: 156Originally Posted by ExecTalent [View Original Post]
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07-06-21 21:47 #24301
Posts: 2278Juan Valdez
Originally Posted by ZebraStripes81 [View Original Post]
BTW, Bogota is a great city for non-pros.
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07-06-21 20:32 #24300
Posts: 21Originally Posted by Yossarian [View Original Post]
Is Iguassu Falls a good weekend excursion?
And would you prefer a Airbnb or a hotel?
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07-06-21 19:34 #24299
Posts: 156Originally Posted by Yossarian [View Original Post]