Rio de Janeiro Reports

[Sperto]

Personally I think a new place like Help will never open again. Anyway nothing even close to be similar to the old Help.
Times have changed. In all over Brazil, no capital excluded, there has been a clean-up. Brazil doesn't want to be a destination for sex tourism. In the 80s and early 90s things were very much different. Even Embratur, the Brazilian Tourist Board, did their best to promote Brazil as a monger destination. In the Rio guide brochures handed out to tourists at the airport there were lots of adds advertising termas.

Brazil doesn't miss the dollar from the sex tourists. There are tons of regular tourists coming to Brazil who doesn't look for sex. Just compare the lines of tourists, at Praça do Lido, waiting for the shuttle vans to Corcovado to the few numbers of tourists hanging out at Mabs.

Also, the mongering crowd who still continue going to Rio is very different from what it used to be. The majority of the mongers in Copacabana used to be a younger crowd. Lots of party at the beach, Meia Pataca, Terraço Atlântico and Help. The girls were busy.
I do my best to avoid Mabs, but on my rare visits it seems like the average age on the mongers is well above 50. Old guys sipping their choppes and hardly giving any business to the ladies.

I still love Rio just as much as I did in 1991. It continues to be the most beautiful city in the world. Still very easy to meet regular girls and plenty of puteiros in Centro.

[Mr Enternational]

I wouldn't personally ask someone in a non pro spot to come home for reais but that's just me.

Me either. But we have a lot of ISGers that believe if a woman fucked you then they are expecting money. If that was the case then there are chicks that I have been fucking for years and they have not said anything about money yet. You think they would have starved to death by now.

If you are a prostitute parading as a non-prostitute around me then you better speak up beforehand. To me women are just like food and drink, there are a lot of things that I will eat and drink if they are free, but you wouldn't catch me ordering it if I had to pay for it.

I will also add that there are chicks that go both ways. Back in the day, I met a chick on Cupid. She told me she worked in some office bla bla bla. I got to Rio and she wanted me to go to Rio Sul with her to buy a new washing machine. We got there and she pulled out a big wad of cash. I think they didn't have the machine she wanted though. It was one of those bait and switch things that she saw in the newspaper. So it was all good with this chick. She never asked me for anything.

Fast forward a couple months later and I go to Rio. I walk in front of Help and guess who is standing there. I was laughing my ass off. She kept trying to explain and kept asking to go with me. So where as some may have met her as a hooker, I did not meet her in that mode and she never asked anything from me. She has since moved to Southern France about 10 years ago. We used to keep in touch but fell out of touch. YMMV.

[FuckAfMedDig]

And they would try to gouge the tourists just because they are tourists. I would not go to a place like that.

Let me ask a question to the more experience members of this forum. Aren't girls offering P4 P services available in places that are not sexually oriented businesses or oriented towards tourists? Is it possible to regularly find casual prostitutes and the odd WG in different clubs and social gatherings where people are necessarily going to pay or receive money for sex? One thing I happened across in the Dominican Republic was prostitutes hanging around the colmados. Maybe not full time prostitutes but maybe girls looking for some extra cash. Then again, every girl I paid for sex in the DR claimed that she was not a prostitute, and typically claimed she was only looking for a boyfriend. Obviously this is not to found everywhere in the world. Its been stressed on the Colombia forum that there isn't a gray area with the Colombianas. They are either WG or they are not (selling their bodies). But, I think you see what I am getting at.

20 years ago I would still have had enough game to pull local girls with legitimate romantic intentions. I'm long past that now and frankly don't want that either. But, I am wondering how common is it to encounter P4P girls at bars and other places. I suspect its easier than one thinks, and probably could make the mongering experience a lot easier instead of fantasizing about resurrecting some old pick up joint for hookers. Hey, if you want to shoot fish in a barrel, then go to Sosua or Pattaya. Some of us like to hunt (or fish if you like) once in a while.

In my experience putas go out in Rio like any other girls after work but not to be a puta!! I think the net and dating sites might be easier to run some.

Sugar daddy shit on them or payment. But I know others have had good results offering some $ out socially-my whole thing is that there are so many specific spots for putas in Rio and so many non pro spots as well. I wouldn't personally ask someone in a non pro spot to come home for reais but that's just me.

[WyattEarp]

In my experience Most people do not have self confidence. Almost any girl can be had. Some of them claim they want boyfriend because they do not want that stigma of being labeled a prostitute. Just like some guys refuse to pay for sex, because they feel it hurts there ego.

Some people care too much about what other people think about them.

So true, it would tire me hearing guys telling me how they "dated" a few girls in Rio on their one week vacation. Yeah, they hung out with you and fucked you because you were on a date. You were so charming.

[WyattEarp]

I have said before, all we have to do is pick a nice, big club in the Copa or Ipanema area and say that the club we will all go to when we in town. It will be known as the club where the gringos hangout and the girls will follow.

It's more possible than people realize. As many of us know, Help Disco wasn't opened as a mongering destination, but rather as a regular, civilian nightclub. Very likely, a few hot girls went to Help in the 80's hearing there would be relatively affluent gringos present. They hooked-up and word spread to other girls and other gringoes. You didn't even have the internet spread the word. It's amazing how something like Help could develop before the internet. The internet finally drove Help's last and peak years. Gringoes from all over the world came to meet young Brasileiras from all over Brasil at Help.

So I agree, word would spread fast. We know what's in it for the monger. For the young girls, they can drink, dance and if they choose, go home with a guy of their choosing.

[ForceSteeler]

And they would try to gouge the tourists just because they are tourists.

I happened across in the Dominican Republic was prostitutes hanging around the colmados. Maybe not full time prostitutes but maybe girls looking for some extra cash. Then again, every girl I paid for sex in the DR claimed that she was not a prostitute, and typically claimed she was only looking for a boyfriend.

In my experience Most people do not have self confidence. Almost any girl can be had. Some of them claim they want boyfriend because they do not want that stigma of being labeled a prostitute. Just like some guys refuse to pay for sex, because they feel it hurts there ego.

Some people care too much about what other people think about them.

[Eszpresszo]

I have said before, all we have to do is pick a nice, big club in the Copa or Ipanema area and say that the club we will all go to when we in town. It will be known as the club where the gringos hangout and the girls will follow.

And they would try to gouge the tourists just because they are tourists. I would not go to a place like that.

Let me ask a question to the more experience members of this forum. Aren't girls offering P4 P services available in places that are not sexually oriented businesses or oriented towards tourists? Is it possible to regularly find casual prostitutes and the odd WG in different clubs and social gatherings where people are necessarily going to pay or receive money for sex? One thing I happened across in the Dominican Republic was prostitutes hanging around the colmados. Maybe not full time prostitutes but maybe girls looking for some extra cash. Then again, every girl I paid for sex in the DR claimed that she was not a prostitute, and typically claimed she was only looking for a boyfriend. Obviously this is not to found everywhere in the world. Its been stressed on the Colombia forum that there isn't a gray area with the Colombianas. They are either WG or they are not (selling their bodies). But, I think you see what I am getting at.

20 years ago I would still have had enough game to pull local girls with legitimate romantic intentions. I'm long past that now and frankly don't want that either. But, I am wondering how common is it to encounter P4P girls at bars and other places. I suspect its easier than one thinks, and probably could make the mongering experience a lot easier instead of fantasizing about resurrecting some old pick up joint for hookers. Hey, if you want to shoot fish in a barrel, then go to Sosua or Pattaya. Some of us like to hunt (or fish if you like) once in a while.

[Questner]

Still got the sixth edition from 2006; can't repost here as the pdf file is too large.

[WyattEarp]

Thanks. I was living down in Porto Alegre for awhile, so Florida was a short hop away and I got over there often. It's a lovely place, and I still get there every other year to relax.

I'm still in touch with a lot of the old Rio guys, like Don, Ken, Kenn, Rhonda, and many others. Poor Jace developed severe back problems and had to hang up his mongering shoes.

I stayed at the Arpoador Inn for many years, always in the oceanfront rooms, finally switching to apartments because of the flexibility they offer. Two years ago I was back in town for a short meeting and stayed there again. The rooms were basically the same, but the restaurant was much nicer. Fucking while listening to the surf was awesome. Next time I was in town the building had been gutted. It's still under construction, but looks like a condo is going in there. Sigh.

I had drinks with Jace in 2016. We had bonded in Rio many years ago through Don. Hit places together, shared Vitamin V and generally chilled quite a bit.

[BwanaD]

I believe I started reading your stuff around 2000. You were one of the first on-line English speakers to report comprehensive details on Florianopolis. So many faces and names have come and gone, Don, his sister Rhonda and Kenn the apartment booker. Many local hustlers trying to make a buck as drivers, guides, local investment advisors, etc. I remember a well-known Rio guy named Jace. Jace looked so sad at TA when I described hooking up with his favorite 4 x4 girl. He was an interesting guy. Total accident, of course, that I met this redhead "his girl". I lost track of her when she went off to Europe.

I just thought of having morning sex in those rooms facing out at the ocean at the old Arpoador Inn. Girlfriend friendly hotel with the closest rooms to the water.

Thanks. I was living down in Porto Alegre for awhile, so Florida was a short hop away and I got over there often. It's a lovely place, and I still get there every other year to relax.

I'm still in touch with a lot of the old Rio guys, like Don, Ken, Kenn, Rhonda, and many others. Poor Jace developed severe back problems and had to hang up his mongering shoes.

I stayed at the Arpoador Inn for many years, always in the oceanfront rooms, finally switching to apartments because of the flexibility they offer. Two years ago I was back in town for a short meeting and stayed there again. The rooms were basically the same, but the restaurant was much nicer. Fucking while listening to the surf was awesome. Next time I was in town the building had been gutted. It's still under construction, but looks like a condo is going in there. Sigh.

[BwanaD]

Yes, Bwana's guide was the original! Some came later trying to pass his stuff off as their own, but we all knew who the original master guide writer for Brazil was!

Funny you say that. Back in about 2007 I was poking around on Amazon and found that some guy was publishing and selling my guide online through Amazon! Since Amazon lists the seller info, I contacted him (I'm a lawyer) and told him I'd be initiating a suit. Dude quickly agreed to pull it from Amazon. Amazon provided information on how many copies had been sold, and I collected all the proceeds from the guy in exchange for not taking him to court for damages.

The guide was always free, and I was pissed that someone tried to cash in on it.

[Rio6160]

Help club is now open in centro. It's in Rio Branco. There are 50 girls. Open from 10 pm. The owner is American.

Entry is 20 reais.

Good time is back.

I have said before, all we have to do is pick a nice, big club in the Copa or Ipanema area and say that the club we will all go to when we in town. It will be known as the club where the gringos hangout and the girls will follow.

[WyattEarp]

I've toyed with an update, even made a couple of false starts. So much has changed! I may get to it yet. I still get email from guys with copies of the guide, which amazes me, since the last edition was in 2009.

I believe I started reading your stuff around 2000. You were one of the first on-line English speakers to report comprehensive details on Florianopolis. So many faces and names have come and gone, Don, his sister Rhonda and Kenn the apartment booker. Many local hustlers trying to make a buck as drivers, guides, local investment advisors, etc. I remember a well-known Rio guy named Jace. Jace looked so sad at TA when I described hooking up with his favorite 4 x4 girl. He was an interesting guy. Total accident, of course, that I met this redhead "his girl". I lost track of her when she went off to Europe.

I just thought of having morning sex in those rooms facing out at the ocean at the old Arpoador Inn. Girlfriend friendly hotel with the closest rooms to the water.

[BwanaD]

I'm glad you're still out there Bwana. Have you thought about reviving your infamous Rio guide here on ISG? I know it helped me when I was a wide-eyed newbie.

I've toyed with an update, even made a couple of false starts. So much has changed! I may get to it yet. I still get email from guys with copies of the guide, which amazes me, since the last edition was in 2009.

[The Cane]

I'm glad you're still out there Bwana. Have you thought about reviving your infamous Rio guide here on ISG? I know it helped me when I was a wide-eyed newbie.

Yes, Bwana's guide was the original! Some came later trying to pass his stuff off as their own, but we all knew who the original master guide writer for Brazil was!